Blazing Shield

Molag_Crow · September 2015

What is your opinion on it now?

Are you a Magicka Templar who uses Blazing Shield? I feel that it doesn't absorb enough damage anymore and is pretty useless in IC...

Edit: Come to the conclusion that it is probably one of the most useless skills in the game now, especially in PvP.

Nestor · September 2015

I am not sure that just one shield is going to protect anyone, even Hardened Ward from the Sorcerer Line. Blazing Shield was never that strong to begin with, but it does go up in strength either to number mobs around or times you are hit (it may have changed a little in the update, I use the morph that gets stronger based on enemy count.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

That morph, yeah? hmmm I was debating between that and Blazing's morph earlier... so I may just reset morphs for that and give it a go.

Cypriot122 · September 2015

For Blazing Shield to be useful you really need to focus on raising your hps to at least 35k.
The other morph of Blazing Shield has not worked since release not sure if they fixed it this patch i have not tested it.

Nestor · September 2015

Cypriot122 wrote: »

The other morph of Blazing Shield has not worked since release not sure if they fixed it this patch i have not tested it.

That may be true, I don't seem to get much protection from it.

And, this is a Shield that scales from Health, not Magic, so that maybe why it does not do much for me.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

35K? damn. Thanks, I guess that means one would be best going with like 5+ Heavy for it to be effective then, or something. Hmm

Soris · September 2015

With 35k health(meaning you giving up everything but health) you will have like 5-6k shield depending on your CP. My flame staff heavy attack does 5k damage with just empower buff.

Go figure.

iseko · September 2015

Well... It still looks pretty in pictures?

Farorin · September 2015

I play a Stam Templar with all points in health, even with all that health, Blazing shield isn't very strong.

Kas · September 2015

i like it. blocking everything doesn't work for me anymore and if i'm taking unblocked dmaage, i better take it to a damage shield. further, it denies healing from othre templars using sweeps (stam sorcs are a joke). my blazing shield is 4.9k with 25k health.

say it aborbs exactly one heavy attack. then i paid some magicka, took no damage, dealt some damage and performed a shorter action. blazing shield does not work as your primary spam skill, neitehr can you activate it for protection against multiple hits. however, it is still an awesome cast while kiting around an obstacle and right before you engage the enemy behind the corner. extra life, extra burst damage, protection from crits and some dots and all that from an action that worked without line of sight.

the question is always if you find the space on your bar for it or not. however, if there is the space, it's a fairly useful ability

Molag_Crow · September 2015

I see, but umm.. I'm tempted to replace blazing shield with Rune Focus. What do you guys think about that? because In PvP with buffs and only 23k health, my blazing shield is trash.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

Farorin wrote: »

I play a Stam Templar with all points in health, even with all that health, Blazing shield isn't very strong.

Oh

MyM16sHot · September 2015

I need a shield when I blaze..

Molag_Crow · September 2015

lol

Mr_Nobody · September 2015

better use that 2-3k magicka for a 1k shield and 1k damage!

Much useful, such damage

PenguinInACan · September 2015

I'm running a build with 40k HP right now (42k with emp buff) and it seems to be very effective. I tend to hit players somewhere between 5-7k. Unfortunately that leaves me with 21k magicka and just under 1k regen. I try and supplement it with 2700 spell damage but I'm still experimenting. Blazing shield is definitely a useful skill if utilized correctly.

Mr_Nobody · September 2015

PenguinInACan wrote: »

I'm running a build with 40k HP right now (42k with emp buff) and it seems to be very effective. I tend to hit players somewhere between 5-7k. Unfortunately that leaves me with 21k magicka and just under 1k regen. I try and supplement it with 2700 spell damage but I'm still experimenting. Blazing shield is definitely a useful skill if utilized correctly.

Blazing shield damage doesnt scale off spellpower.

PenguinInACan · September 2015

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

I'm running a build with 40k HP right now (42k with emp buff) and it seems to be very effective. I tend to hit players somewhere between 5-7k. Unfortunately that leaves me with 21k magicka and just under 1k regen. I try and supplement it with 2700 spell damage but I'm still experimenting. Blazing shield is definitely a useful skill if utilized correctly.

Blazing shield damage doesnt scale off spellpower.

Aye, the spell power is for the skills I actually use to do damage with. The 40k hp is for the 7.5k shield.

Mr_Nobody · September 2015

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

I'm running a build with 40k HP right now (42k with emp buff) and it seems to be very effective. I tend to hit players somewhere between 5-7k. Unfortunately that leaves me with 21k magicka and just under 1k regen. I try and supplement it with 2700 spell damage but I'm still experimenting. Blazing shield is definitely a useful skill if utilized correctly.

Blazing shield damage doesnt scale off spellpower.

Aye, the spell power is for the skills I actually use to do damage with. The 40k hp is for the 7.5k shield.

7.5k shield makes you deal very little damage with all other abilities cause of the HP investment. It also affects your survivability which is close to non existent.

Might work in PvE while tanking some sub V15 mobs though.

PenguinInACan · September 2015

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

I'm running a build with 40k HP right now (42k with emp buff) and it seems to be very effective. I tend to hit players somewhere between 5-7k. Unfortunately that leaves me with 21k magicka and just under 1k regen. I try and supplement it with 2700 spell damage but I'm still experimenting. Blazing shield is definitely a useful skill if utilized correctly.

Blazing shield damage doesnt scale off spellpower.

Aye, the spell power is for the skills I actually use to do damage with. The 40k hp is for the 7.5k shield.

7.5k shield makes you deal very little damage with all other abilities cause of the HP investment. It also affects your survivability which is close to non existent.

Might work in PvE while tanking some sub V15 mobs though.

Survivability isn't as bad as you would think. The shield also helps stam issues with the quick cast time and only using stam to break free.

Granted it doesn't have the resource management of the typical magicka templar build but I'm slowly working it. Generally I can take around 3-4 PvE-ers if I play it smart and 1v1 I can tank until they get annoyed I or see an opening and get some burst off.

In groups it becomes very effective as I can sustain the majority of single target dps and keep enough heals on the group whilst bouncing whatever single target hits me with a decent blazing shield.

Soris · September 2015

Seriously don't even bother stacking health for blazing shield. It doesn't worth the effort.
Sorcs get 14k hardened ward with 38k magicka and due to the high magicka, their damage is also going over top.

Just watch Mage's latest build video in alliance war subforum. I deleted my templar after watching it lol.

Soris · September 2015

Stack magicka instead and invest into BoL heal with all your cp points. You gonna be more tankier and have better damage.
Spam it once a while after jabs, that's how they want us to play.

jabjabjabjab-bolbolbolbol-jabjabjab-bolbol

It's boring as ***. And the sad part is, it is effective as ***. Leaving us with no other option but only 2 skills to spam until eternity.

Wtb 1.5 templar

Ahzek · September 2015

Kas wrote: »

(stam sorcs are a joke)

Come at me bro !

Also blazing has its use, but is far from its old damage stacking glory

Mumyo · September 2015

yeah, screw that shield, its a joke... like 2k dmg shield xD

Molag_Crow · September 2015

Soris wrote: »

Stack magicka instead and invest into BoL heal with all your cp points. You gonna be more tankier and have better damage.
Spam it once a while after jabs, that's how they want us to play.

jabjabjabjab-bolbolbolbol-jabjabjab-bolbol

It's boring as ***. And the sad part is, it is effective as ***. Leaving us with no other option but only 2 skills to spam until eternity.
Wtb 1.5 templar

Yeah you know I might actually give that a go instead. At the moment (I don't even have 150+ cp) my BoL costs 2749 magicka (totally unbuffed) and Blazing Shield costs 2557. I have 30k Magicka buffed and 1512 recovery, so like you said, might as well BoL into your DPS rotation instead of wasting the global cooldown on blazing shield for like 2k or-so absorb.

Fizzlewizzle · September 2015

Posted this one in another topic already:

43K HP = 6.5K Blazing shield in PvP.
I love Blazing shield, as its part of my most successful builds... But the requirements of using it are extremely high, and will gimp you in every other aspect of your build.
Decent Blazing shield vs everything else (steady, controllable DPS/ Decent Regen rates/ healing output/ damage output).

Molag_Crow · September 2015

@Fizzlewizzle Fair enough! So it works well for your build, and that brings me to see the intentions behind the "nerfs." I admit, being in Light armor and having a big absorb from Blazing Shield was a little stupid, so I do see reason behind the changes. They wanted to make it more useful to actual tanks, not us wannabe Light Armor-wearing Magicka-so-called-tanks, I guess.

Speely · September 2015

I don't favor the investment needed to make it viable enough to take up precious bar space. BoL with all the Magicka goodies is a better button press, value-wise, for me. Health that benefits from passive mitigation ftw. Plus I can giggle at Shieldbreaker users.

Fizzlewizzle · September 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@Fizzlewizzle Fair enough! So it works well for your build, and that brings me to see the intentions behind the "nerfs." I admit, being in Light armor and having a big absorb from Blazing Shield was a little stupid, so I do see reason behind the changes. They wanted to make it more useful to actual tanks, not us wannabe Light Armor-wearing Magicka-so-called-tanks, I guess.

Just to make it clear, it works useful for my build. My build being useful is another story though.
It's a basic "Get your ass kicked while trying to keep up blazing shield" build.
You can't group up with it as every player who takes aggro away from me will reduce my offense. It won't work for a Tank either, as you can't use SnB for Taunts (Need Resto staff to keep refilling your Magicka), nor do you have the Magicka to use the Undaunted Taunt, as all you magicka needs to be put into Blazing.

I'm all for making it more useful, but as you already mentioned... it needs some restrictions to prevent everyone from using it without them having to gimp themselves in some way.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

@Speely True that. I almost totally forgot about Shieldbreaker...

Molag_Crow · September 2015

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@Fizzlewizzle Fair enough! So it works well for your build, and that brings me to see the intentions behind the "nerfs." I admit, being in Light armor and having a big absorb from Blazing Shield was a little stupid, so I do see reason behind the changes. They wanted to make it more useful to actual tanks, not us wannabe Light Armor-wearing Magicka-so-called-tanks, I guess.

Just to make it clear, it works useful for my build. My build being useful is another story though.
It's a basic "Get your ass kicked while trying to keep up blazing shield" build.
You can't group up with it as every player who takes aggro away from me will reduce my offense. It won't work for a Tank either, as you can't use SnB for Taunts (Need Resto staff to keep refilling your Magicka), nor do you have the Magicka to use the Undaunted Taunt, as all you magicka needs to be put into Blazing.

I'm all for making it more useful, but as you already mentioned... it needs some restrictions to prevent everyone from using it without them having to gimp themselves in some way.

Gotta sacrifice, yep... I don't see why they didn't just make class sets, like a Heavy Templar set that increases max magicka, magicka regen and (5) set bonus increases the effectiveness of Blazing Shield (Including the other morph) by x% or something along those lines, I don't know.. just random suggestions really.