Templar Advice!

Molag_Crow · September 2015

Hi. I am a Magicka Templar, Vampire, and through the hours I've spent in Imperial City, I am kind of struggling to do any damage.

I understand that I've gone for a Healer-Hybrid build, but healing does not benefit me in IC anymore, or so it seems. (I didn't get any loot from a boss for being under the 12th top damage, for example.) I like being able to escape as well as I already do, but my damage is terrible and yeah... solo at the moment.

My first bar Sword & Shield

Puncturing Sweep - Feels really weak and the sound effect only plays on the last 1-2 hits?
Blazing Spear AOE
Repentance - I'm unsure about this ability now as the effect is broken (PS4) and it only restores a bit of stamina and Health now, like 2k..
Defensive Stance - One-hand & Shield spell reflect into a stun, so.. useful! I guess I'll keep that
Blazing Shield - Now I really dislike this.. the absorb is so weak now, I don't think there is any point in using it, or...?
Ultimate: Bat swam (Invisible/clouding swarm)

Second Bar Master's Resto Staff

Radiant Oppression - Confident still, but the visual has gone (PS4 Bug only?) so it's kinda weird right now.
Dark Flare - It does really feel weak now, but I still use it.
Vampire's Bane - I've switching this ability slot with Purifying Ritual, etc..
Mist Form - A must
Breath of Life - A must.
Ultimate: Remembrance AOE heal

I use 5 Light, 2 Heavy and unbuffed (with PvP 5k more HP though) I am 23k HP, 19k Magicka, 8.6k Stam, 1401 Magicka Recovery.

Attribute points have been changed a few times recently but what I'm currently rolling with is 50 in health, 13 in Magicka.. might change that to 35 health instead, not sure yet.

Any advice/opinions are appreciated, thanks.

Edit: I have now changed stuff around so my stats aren't exactly relevant to the topic but thanks for all your advice!

Takes-No-Prisoner · September 2015

What VR rank? What gear sets are you using? What is your champion point selection? Those play a big big role in builds. Skill usage on ya bar also does too, but the internet probably should know the aforementioned questions asked. More we know, more we can help you out.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

Just V15 at the moment and Magnus' set, but I plan on changing it when I get enough T stones. My other 3 pieces (weapon and 2 heavy) are the Whitestrake's set which sucks, I know.

SneaK · September 2015

The "beam" abilities aren't working correctly on Xbox either. You're not alone..

I'm just going to play my NB until they fix that stuff, which is unfortunate for everyone.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

@Takes-No-Prisoner

Yeah my CPs are few, but for Warrior, I've gone for Block Expertise and Spell Shield, okay... maybe too much in the defensive for that one? and in Thief I've gone for Magicka Recovery and Stamina Recovery lol and in the Mage I've gone for Damage and healing dealt by spell crits (also the 12% spell crit passive at 30 cp unlocked) and increased healing (Blessed)

I think you're right. my CPs are a bad choice for damage indeed..

Molag_Crow · September 2015

Doesn't matter anyway, I'll find a way and experiment with different stuff.

eliisra · September 2015

Get Toppling Charge. Really hard to Puncturing Sweep/Batswarm players if you dont have a gap closer. It's also good to have in IC to keep up with the group(templars are slow) or "teleport" out of all the snares and mobs.

Also Purifying Ritual is a must(for solo/smallish team), because heal debuffs, DoTs and snares are real and very painful. Efficient Purge is better for bigger groups of course, since no synergy required.

Would also suggest putting Warrior points in Quick Recovery now, since you're suffering from -50% heal reduction in PvP. That and Elemental Defender, because loads of fire.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

@eliisra Very nice suggestions right there, makes sense to be honest so thanks a lot!

I actually haven't unlocked the Charge morph yet so I'll start using it now and go for that Toppling morph you mentioned

And yeah, purifying ritual is going back on for sure...

Should I stick with 5 light for the passives, do you think? the spell penetration, crit and resist and recovery because I haven't had a chance to look at the new v16 sets yet.

DarthSeverus394 · September 2015

Dps bar: puncturing strikes, topling charge, radiant beam, total dark (possible swap with repentence since it only casts one at a time now) and then a defense buff such as unstoppable or blazing shield. Ult high dps of choice
Heal bar: BoL, purifying ritual, mutagen, ward ally, personal choice. Caltrops, rapid maneuvers, siege shield, etc. Ult rememberance or barrier depending on your style.
Give or take the best magicka templar build that can be run. Keep in mind prox det, bat swarm, mist form, entropy, harness magicka, and even radiant magelight to sniff out the scaredy cat nightblades. Change things to your style.
Im not surprised dmg is your issue with 50 in health. Whatre ya doin man. Youre a healer your survivability is great. You want probably the opposite of that. Atleast 50 in magic. Will helps your dps, heals, shields, etc.

tplink3r1 · September 2015

Puncturing sweep is going to be weak unless you focus on Spell Damage and Magicka.
You should have at least 30k magicka and around 2k spell damage.

iseko · September 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Hi. I am a Magicka Templar, Vampire, and through the hours I've spent in Imperial City, I am kind of struggling to do any damage. I understand that I've gone for a Healer-Hybrid build, but healing does not benefit me in IC anymore, or so it seems. (I didn't get any loot from a boss for being under the 12th top damage, for example.) I like being able to escape as well as I already do, but my damage is terrible and yeah... solo at the moment.
My first bar Sword & Shield
Puncturing Sweep - Feels really weak and the sound effect only plays on the last 1-2 hits?

Blazing Spear AOE

Repentance - I'm unsure about this ability now as the effect is broken (PS4) and it only restores a bit of stamina and Health now, like 2k..

Defensive Stance - One-hand & Shield spell reflect into a stun, so.. useful! I guess I'll keep that

Blazing Shield - Now I really dislike this.. the absorb is so weak now, I don't think there is any point in using it, or...?

Ultimate: Bat swam (Invisible/clouding swarm)

Second Bar Master's Resto Staff
Radiant Oppression - Confident still, but the visual has gone (PS4 Bug only?) so it's kinda weird right now.

Dark Flare - It does really feel weak now, but I still use it.

Vampire's Bane - I've switching this ability slot with Purifying Ritual, etc..

Mist Form - A must

Breath of Life - A must.

Ultimate: Remembrance AOE heal

I use 5 Light, 2 Heavy and unbuffed (with PvP 5k more HP though) I am 23k HP, 19k Magicka, 8.6k Stam, 1401 Magicka Recovery.

Attribute points have been changed a few times recently but what I'm currently rolling with is 50 in health, 13 in Magicka.. might change that to 35 health instead, not sure yet.

Any advice/opinions are appreciated, thanks.

First bar weapon: double handed (sword but you can choose axe or mace)
Sweeping strikes
STAMPEDE (60% snare is no joke, helps keep people in your jabs and cant be cc broken)
Structured entropy
Repentance
Focused rune (more spell regen +resist)

Batswarm

Second bar: resto staff
Syphon (last skill from resto staff, instacast morph. In combination with sweeps, the healing u get it is almost broken)
Purifying ritual
BoL
Radiant destruction (can also go for the healing morph if u want)
Last skill h can pick one

Ulti: flex, I use nova a lot.

Gear: 5 piece phoenix set v15 ( takes about two hours of qursting for 5k stones)
Can craft 2 piece heavy seduvcer/magnus/whatever v15 (resto and sword as well)

Jewelry: willpower obv but they are expensive so healer set or warlock or whatever. But try and get willpower

Quite easy ensemble to get. Quite good sustain. Play around with gear setup but the aynergistic effect between sweeps, stampede and syphon is no joke. Try it.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

iseko wrote: »

First bar weapon: double handed (sword but you can choose axe or mace)
Sweeping strikes
STAMPEDE (60% snare is no joke, helps keep people in your jabs and cant be cc broken)
Structured entropy
Repentance
Focused rune (more spell regen +resist)

Batswarm

Second bar: resto staff
Syphon (last skill from resto staff, instacast morph. In combination with sweeps, the healing u get it is almost broken)
Purifying ritual
BoL
Radiant destruction (can also go for the healing morph if u want)
Last skill h can pick one

Ulti: flex, I use nova a lot.

Gear: 5 piece phoenix set v15 ( takes about two hours of qursting for 5k stones)
Can craft 2 piece heavy seduvcer/magnus/whatever v15 (resto and sword as well)

Jewelry: willpower obv but they are expensive so healer set or warlock or whatever. But try and get willpower

Quite easy ensemble to get. Quite good sustain. Play around with gear setup but the aynergistic effect between sweeps, stampede and syphon is no joke. Try it.

Nice advice there, I'll give some of that a go, like Syphon, but I take it you're a stam Templar, @iseko ? because I haven't even considered going Stamina yet, and I'm starting to think (or feel) that being a Magicka Templar (damage-wise) absolutely sucks. I know my gear isn't up to date and stuff, but damn. I'm even failing at killing lvl 40s in Cyrodiil now

I'm wondering whether or not Magicka Templars are dead now and Stam is the way to go, but my set-up is all wrong anyway. I need to get rid of my sword & shield dependency. It's a nightmare but I'll stick with it for a while and see how it goes when I at least get full phoenix, so thanks for the advice... really appreciated.

DarthSeverus394 · September 2015

The level 40 thing could be the new battle levels. I have a vet 4 who had 20k health before IC and now has 35k. Lower levels will be tougher.

iseko · September 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

iseko wrote: »

First bar weapon: double handed (sword but you can choose axe or mace)
Sweeping strikes
STAMPEDE (60% snare is no joke, helps keep people in your jabs and cant be cc broken)
Structured entropy
Repentance
Focused rune (more spell regen +resist)

Batswarm

Second bar: resto staff
Syphon (last skill from resto staff, instacast morph. In combination with sweeps, the healing u get it is almost broken)
Purifying ritual
BoL
Radiant destruction (can also go for the healing morph if u want)
Last skill h can pick one

Ulti: flex, I use nova a lot.

Gear: 5 piece phoenix set v15 ( takes about two hours of qursting for 5k stones)
Can craft 2 piece heavy seduvcer/magnus/whatever v15 (resto and sword as well)

Jewelry: willpower obv but they are expensive so healer set or warlock or whatever. But try and get willpower

Quite easy ensemble to get. Quite good sustain. Play around with gear setup but the aynergistic effect between sweeps, stampede and syphon is no joke. Try it.

Nice advice there, I'll give some of that a go, like Syphon, but I take it you're a stam Templar, @iseko ? because I haven't even considered going Stamina yet, and I'm starting to think (or feel) that being a Magicka Templar (damage-wise) absolutely sucks. I know my gear isn't up to date and stuff, but damn. I'm even failing at killing lvl 40s in Cyrodiil now

I'm wondering whether or not Magicka Templars are dead now and Stam is the way to go, but my set-up is all wrong anyway. I need to get rid of my sword & shield dependency. It's a nightmare but I'll stick with it for a while and see how it goes when I at least get full phoenix, so thanks for the advice... really appreciated.

Nop magicka templar. Except for stampede, the enite build above is magicka based. Syphon + sweeping strikes + purifying ritual can give you 4-5k hps whilst using your main dps skill on one dude. Stampede makes sure he stays put. Except for streak and dodge roll. Bah. But if they run off keep following them for one or two go's. Once you reach 50% stam: break off the chase. You risk getting stunned and not have enough stam to break free.

If they stay and fight they will have to breal through 15k armor/18k spell resist + 4-5k hps + damage mitigation from vampire passive. Along with burst heals from BoL when needed. Ure dmg will be pretty nice if u can get ure magicka up to 35-40k. Dark elf or highelf and should be no problem in v15 gear. With entropy buff ull have 1.8k spell dmg easy. Those sweeps will start stinging. If u got some cp to spend on increase magicka dmg... They will hurt a lot more.

Edit: forgot to mention I use 2heavy and 5 light

iseko · September 2015

Srr typing on smartphone

Francescolg · September 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

and I'm starting to think (or feel) that being a Magicka Templar (damage-wise) absolutely sucks

Guy, If you would've searched the forums, you'd have find enough complaining about magicka-templars and their total lack of burst damage, mobility, escape, group CC, etc. The topic of templars in this game is already a "dead horse" and many left the game, as soon as they saw (and understood) what is happening in 1.6, especially the unnecessary nurf of Blazing Shield in PvP.... (treated as if it was hardened ward of the already mighty sorc..)

Beside, anyone who knows what he's doing in PvP, knows about Templar's skills that are mostly channeled/casted and therefore can be interrupted, much easier to deal with! Try other classes, or a templar build that has as good as no channeled/casted spells in it and compare it with sorc/nb/dk in a similar setup. Even if they made Jabs/Sweep uninterruptable, you still have many "slow" skills. (slow is not only the "real" cast time, but also the "animation time").

On the "larger picture": the devs pushed stamina too far, as soon as skills like "hidden blade" and "aimed shot", "steel tornado", etc. started to top many magic builds.. (+ better itemization for stamina burst builds).
ZOS did so many pro-stamina build "tweaks" that I can not mention them all

I even don't want to discuss this. Do it like it most templars: search a team and go into follow-mode, that is what they want you do to, so than you can get a "top-pvp'er", because following a leader and using rotations is "high skill" play. Good night ESO!

2nd) The "pvp downscaling" to damage and healing hit us most, because skills as Blazing Shield should not have been included...! On a "normal skilled" templar, Blazing Shield got already nurfed about 30-40% after 1.6 (!), and another time 50% in 1.7. Not only did the absorb value go down significantly, nope, they also introduced sets as the spell-breaker set on TOP (!) of all that nurfs to our Blazing Shield.
Basically your magicka templar is "seen" as a sorcerer, so all "balacing" they try on Sorcs hit you too. Instead of touching hardened ward (sorc magicka absorb shield), they prefered to "hit" all classes that relied on absorb shields.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Puncturing sweep is going to be weak unless you focus on Spell Damage and Magicka.
You should have at least 30k magicka and around 2k spell damage.

Yeah, true..

@iseko Oh I see, well that does sound like a good build tbh. I will experiment more, and what I was considering is going dual wield for the passive that increases spell damage, if that still works (Twin Blade and Blunt) but I dunno yet, anyway - thanks for the tips, and @DarthSeverus394 as well

Takes-No-Prisoner · September 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@Takes-No-Prisoner

Yeah my CPs are few, but for Warrior, I've gone for Block Expertise and Spell Shield, okay... maybe too much in the defensive for that one? and in Thief I've gone for Magicka Recovery and Stamina Recovery lol and in the Mage I've gone for Damage and healing dealt by spell crits (also the 12% spell crit passive at 30 cp unlocked) and increased healing (Blessed)

I think you're right. my CPs are a bad choice for damage indeed..

My set up with CPs (with very possible misspellings incoming) Note: I have 276 CP

Inside of Mage:

Blessing : 79 (increase healing done)
Thaumaturge : 12 (magic dmg)
Sepll Erosion : 2 (spell pen)

Inside the Thief:

Arcanist: 45 (mana regan)
Mooncalf: 51 (stam regan)
Healthy: 2 (health regan)

Inside the Warrior

Quick Recovery: 30 (boost heals done to me only)
Elemental Defender: 45? (decrease fire/ice/thunder damage done to you)
Resistant: 30? (decrease critical damage dealt to you)
Spell Shield: 5 (increase spell resistance)

To explain how my choice and synergy works I'll give you an example.... I opened up the passives Infusion and Revival, inside The Lord you can find the passives to those descriptions here. Basically, when I res someone on my healer I get a shield while resing and when my ally gets up he has a blue mist around his feet giving him [x] mana recovery back for a small time. I also have Battle Resurrection unlocked from Assult/Support, you can read about it here which stacks with our Templar passive Master Ritualist.

So how does this work all together? When I go res an Ally, I get attacked a lot right? I take less damage while ressing, I have a impressively fast res without gear to boost it(I think my res is about 5.5 seconds) and when I pick up my ally he is getting his mana back quickly so he can get back into the fight faster. This is how the CP, your gear, and your everything should work together to make you efficient.

This is a small little example, there is a lot more meat on my build, but this is just a bit of how my Templar works. Just the ressing side of things.

You can get high spell damage, you can get decent/good mana regan, you can do decent/pretty good DPS-- but that would require another large block of text. But with these things in mind know this, keep this rule in mind -- For whatever resource you buff, you must take away from another resource. So fine tuning the balance between how much or how little you need is a never ending task for build making.

Molag_Crow · September 2015

@Takes-No-Prisoner Indeed, so I will correlate all the advice you guys have given me and come up with something from experimenting with this and that. Thanks again

Takes-No-Prisoner · September 2015

Sure thing, go off and do your own science. Try to figure it all out for yourself. Just make sure you are happy. Yeah, seriously, if you are not excited about playing your dude then there is a problem. You should be super excited to play your guy every time you see him. Once you figure out what skills you like using the most its seriously a piece of cake from there. Since your science will be about how to buff the skills you like to perform!