NB Vamp/Night's Silence and Double Take?

MrTarkanian48 · September 2015

I'm a Khajiit NB on PS4. Started out with Night's Silence because I love the sneak speed for PvP mainly. I'd use Double Take to remain in stealth and move around quickly. Eventually I picked up vampire to keep the sneak speed and not be tied to the NS set. Im having mixed feelings about Vamp, and might give it up because of the drawbacks. Which leads me to a question.

Does Double Take stack with sneak bonus? Or does a non vamp move as fast in sneak with Double take as a vamp does? I might give up vampire if i can get decent speed that way.

TheBull · September 2015

It stacks.

Johngo0036 · September 2015

and add on concealed weapon for a bit of a boost to sneak as well

dsalter · September 2015

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

I'm a Khajiit NB on PS4. Started out with Night's Silence because I love the sneak speed for PvP mainly. I'd use Double Take to remain in stealth and move around quickly. Eventually I picked up vampire to keep the sneak speed and not be tied to the NS set. Im having mixed feelings about Vamp, and might give it up because of the drawbacks. Which leads me to a question.

Does Double Take stack with sneak bonus? Or does a non vamp move as fast in sneak with Double take as a vamp does? I might give up vampire if i can get decent speed that way.

vamp becomes more bareable in IC

rfennell_ESO · September 2015

Vamp might have it's drawbacks, but vamp speed in stealth isn't one of them.

It's probably the best passive in game. It's crazy fast combined with double take.

I get accused of not being in stealth and sprinting when I get some bad raid lead who doesn't realize that nightblade vamps using double take ARE that fast. It usually goes "I said everyone in stealth!!!!" silence. "OMG "my name" are you f...ing stupid I said everyone in STEALTH OMG OMG." that's when I reply and say "I am in stealth". I usually notice more vampires the next time I run with them.

MrTarkanian48 · September 2015

I do love the speed. I guess I am just wondering what a side by side comparison between non-vamp and vamp in stealth using double take would look like.

I just feel like I get beat up really fast when I run dungeons with any sort of fire, even with a fire resist ring on. Also the reduced health regen is pretty annoying too. And I have been hit with several dawnbreakers in PVP that sting alot.

Idk. I am not complaining. I'd stay vamp for the sneak speed above all else. The Magicka/Stamina recovery is nice, but I feel like the jewelry/CP i dedicate to fire resist, could easily be put toward regen and almost be a wash.

If i were to get cured of vampirism, do my skill points put back? Or should I respec before I get cured?

revonine · September 2015

Unfortunately you need to do a full respec to reclaim your skill points from vampirism. For me I'm choosing to wait until IC hits to see how vamp pans out in there. I'ma magicka NB since PS4 launch and it compliments the play style so so well.

Not to mention Concealed weapon/Double Take + Dark Stalker = faster than alot of players horses in stealth, that's insane.

Oh and Clouding Swarm and Concealed Weapon/Surprise Attack spam melts opponents =D

I feel though vamp is catered more toward magicka users but I know alot of stamina NB's that are also very successful with it. The passives are useful to all.

rfennell_ESO · September 2015

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

I do love the speed. I guess I am just wondering what a side by side comparison between non-vamp and vamp in stealth using double take would look like.

It's 100% movement speed versus 140% movement speed.

or you can go with non vamp stealth speed of 30% movement speed or 70% with double take.

chevalierknight · September 2015

TheBull wrote: »

It stacks.

They stack but... are bugged cw will give you faster speed stealthed but if you switch bars to use dtake you will not have cw speed in stealth when you switch back to bar 1 you have to use cloak in stealth to replie the cw speed boost very annoying bugg

For some resone the game fails to see you still have cw slotted when you switch back

GreenSoup2HoT · September 2015

Vampire will be much much better next patch.

-40% fire debuff to 25% fire debuff
-also Dawnbreaker of Smiting has been fixed so the DoT first tick is not instant. Giving nb's finally time to cloak the DoT.

The 30% damage reduction will also help a lot. Personally i think 60% extra damage against Vampire's is a little to much.

I plan on running DW/1H+S next patch (stamina dps/tank). Flying Blade will be my source of Major Brutality/Damage. I will also run 5 piece shadow-walker and reactive Armour. I find this combo will be quiet tanky. Cloak and regen 1k stam/hp per second while not moving is easy to do. Just slot purge to get rid of mark's so you can always regen.

However, i'm not sure what ultimate to choose. I could drop Vampire and use Veil of Blade's or just use Devouring Swarm with vamp. I find Clouding Swarm pretty useless next patch because so many people are running mark, so at least if i am marked i can get health from my ult.

If anyone wan't to discuss build's such as above^ message me. I'm trying to build a real hybrid tank.

chevalierknight · September 2015

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Vampire will be much much better next patch.

-40% fire debuff to 25% fire debuff
-also Dawnbreaker of Smiting has been fixed so the DoT first tick is not instant. Giving nb's finally time to cloak the DoT.

The 30% damage reduction will also help a lot. Personally i think 60% extra damage against Vampire's is a little to much.

I plan on running DW/1H+S next patch (stamina dps/tank). Flying Blade will be my source of Major Brutality/Damage. I will also run 5 piece shadow-walker and reactive Armour. I find this combo will be quiet tanky. Cloak and regen 1k stam/hp per second while not moving is easy to do. Just slot purge to get rid of mark's so you can always regen.

However, i'm not sure what ultimate to choose. I could drop Vampire and use Veil of Blade's or just use Devouring Swarm with vamp. I find Clouding Swarm pretty useless next patch because so many people are running mark, so at least if i am marked i can get health from my ult.

If anyone wan't to discuss build's such as above^ message me. I'm trying to build a real hybrid tank.

You dont need to drop vampire if you dont use bats only the regen passive needs an abilty you will still get undeath and sneak speed

blur · September 2015

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

I'm a Khajiit NB on PS4. Started out with Night's Silence because I love the sneak speed for PvP mainly. I'd use Double Take to remain in stealth and move around quickly. Eventually I picked up vampire to keep the sneak speed and not be tied to the NS set. Im having mixed feelings about Vamp, and might give it up because of the drawbacks. Which leads me to a question.

Does Double Take stack with sneak bonus? Or does a non vamp move as fast in sneak with Double take as a vamp does? I might give up vampire if i can get decent speed that way.

Dark Stalker + major/minor expedition is going to be faster than anything. Dark Stalker is naturally faster than NS set. Concealed Weapon and The Steed mundus also stack, as do the Major/Minor Expedition buffs.
Also as a Vampire, you can get access to MINOR expedition (something I don't think exists anywhere else) via Drain morph.

Synozeer · September 2015

blur wrote: »

Also as a Vampire, you can get access to MINOR expedition (something I don't think exists anywhere else) via Drain morph.

Charging Maneuver will also give you minor expedition if you attack while the spell is active.

blur · September 2015

maysonet_ESO wrote: »

blur wrote: »

Also as a Vampire, you can get access to MINOR expedition (something I don't think exists anywhere else) via Drain morph.

Charging Maneuver will also give you minor expedition if you attack while the spell is active.

Yes but you lose your Major Expedition when you gain the minor. I should have phrased my statement differently.

MrTarkanian48 · September 2015

I currently am using Retreating maneuvers when i respawn to get to where I am going quickly. I then swap it out for Double Take when I get into areas where there will most likely be combat. The drawback with Maneuvers to me is that it breaks stealth for a short period of time which is a deal breaker for me.

Wow, some how I overlooked that concealed weapon grants speed just for being slotted. I thought it was a bonus for x amount of time after hitting an enemy with it. The only problem is as a stam nightblade I typically use surprise attack as my main dps. Changing to CW will hit like a wet noodle on my build. I suppose I could just slot CW, but than use Wrecking Blow...

I definitely feel like vamp really compliments a Magicka Nightblade better than a stamina, however it still has some benefits.