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Console: Should text chat be implemented with the IC patch?
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✭✭✭✭✭NoNewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.
As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.
If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.
There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.
I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.
I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.
I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.
Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.
So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?
I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences
I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.
I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
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Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?
I think pretty much every forum poster now knows your views on not wanting text chat, about 50% of the time I read the forum, if I glance down at the topic titles, I see the text chat and your the last person to post
Still of course you have a right to give your thoughts, I just don't think you fully understand where others are coming from.
I've been a console player since I first brought my megadrive, had most of them, all the PS and all of the Xbox except the latest.
I've also been a PC gamer all this time too.
Different people play in different ways.
I don't join random guilds, never have. In Lotro I was in two guilds since the day it came out one on the EU and one in the US, in ESO I joined a guild I found via a forum when I said what I was looking for in a guild. It's a multi gaming guild hence if I do move on to another mmo, chances are my guild will have a presence also.
I rarely use pug groups either (on the PC), I like to group with friends I've made, in Lotro we have alliances with other guilds and my friend list grew etc after I had played with the same people a few times, got to know them and got to like them.
In ESO on the PC, my guild is a very active and friendly guild. We use Mumble when we are doing dungeons and PvP, although I don't always use it in long PvP sessions as I have no desire to sit there with headphones on for long periods of time.
The rest of the time I am chatting away to numerous guild members in text chat. I get to know these people through text chat and only speaking to them occasionally through mumble would probably have meant I had made far fewer friends.
I have two chat tabs, one with zone enabled for PvP, and one with just my guild enabled for general every day use, so I don't see the spam messages from others trying to sell or whatever as I have no interest in them.
Last night I was on Mumble with 3 guildies doing one of the vet dailies, and I could still easily type a quick hello to guildies who log on, and even answer a question or two in text chat in between fights.
At a rough guess, for every 4 hrs I play on the PC, I have my headphones on and use mumble for about 1 hr. The rest of the time I am using text chat to communicate with just my guild.
I have 2 friends on the PS4, one is my son who doesn't even own one, another is one of my guild mates who has recently got a PS4. Up until ESO, games I played online on the PS4 randomly grouped me with people who never spoke, never had their mikes on (or very few of them did) , for instance Destiny, don't have to talk to a soul there but can still happily PvP all night if I want.
When I game on the PC, I'm in the corner of the room, when I have my headphones on and use mumble, I'm not disturbing the rest of the family.
When I game on the PS4, it uses the main TV, I usually have my wife sitting next to me, son or daughter in the room etc and I don't like using headphones. As many others have said, some of the language etc that gets heard through the TV from others voice chat, well if I repeated it here, the post would get deleted. So as far as Zenimax are concerned, it's not suitable for this forum but perfectly OK for the whole family to hear through the TV.
When I play mmos on the console, I want to be able to join a guild and chat away with them without using a mic. When I play DCUniverse, that has text chat that's easy to use with a controller.
My PS4 gaming is very different to my PC gaming.
There has to be a way for different groups in the guild to be in their own chat rooms when they are running various dungeons etc, yet still see what other guildies are talking about and being able to comment, just like text chat on the PC lets me when I'm in mumble..
I get it,. you like using your headphones, my son when he's in his room on his Xbox has his phones on for hrs at a time, he has numerous long term friends he can group with. But not everyone enjoys doing that and I and many others have little if any desire to use voice while mooching about doing things such as a bit of solo leveling or crafting.
I get your concerns, I hate all the spam on the PC but as I have said, I get zero spam as I now just have guild chat showing most of the time. The odd occasion I need a mat I cant find, I enable other chat to see what people are selling but it's one simple click to disable it again.
I really really really don't understand why you have such a problem with it being introduced on the consoles in a way where like the PC version you can customize whats seen hence wont ever see the spam (and you do seem to have a much much bigger problem with this being introduced than most other players).
I hear concerns that if text chat was introduced, voice chat wouldn't be used, surely if that ended up being true, it only shows what the majority wanted. And I don't see how this would affect you even if that did happen, you can just keep chatting away using voice chat to your friends?
For many (on PS4 anyway) voice already ISN'T being used and we are having ZERO communication as we have voice chat disabled for the reasons many of us have already mentioned. I haven't played the console version for ages now for the sole reason of the lack of text chat. If it had text chat I would have brought the DLC, as it is I will probably uninstall it to get disc space back.
I have loads of addons on the PC but I would happily play the console version without them just for a completely different experience and to soak in more of the lore and story, however lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.
Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.
Real short....I'm not the reason you don't have this feature but ZOS is.
I'm attempting to help everyone understand where to find the information regarding ZOS's decision in development to scrap this feature. There is also a response to this topic on ESO live from much older threads that are now archived from the closed console beta forums.
To me...if anyone wants some form of this feature, it's only logical to fully understand what ZOS' opportunities and options are per what they've shared. As of now they have literally said and wrote that what exists on PC will not come to console but other ideas around pre-text radial chat is where they are willing to look at other ideas. It's why I suggested a compromise to utilize the social menu which is als where radial text chat is offered.
If your goal is to continue trying to convince anyone who votes against or who doesn't fully agree with your own opinions regarding this feature you're missing the point of this thread and also taking the thread off topic. If anyone desires a response from ZOS start where they are willing to listen and not where they've already responded even if you're new to the topic.
Zos changed their minds on issues they said no to before. Why do you think this should be any different?
I have asked you this several times now and I would like to read your response to that question.
It's not what I think and again it's not me arguing this.
In response to your question...ZOS just recently said to everyone after the last ESO live show that they have no new information. (Their stance hasn't changed) per Jessica Folsom's comment
That didnt really answer my question.
Im not asking about what zos has said in the past or recently, I am asking why are you trying to steer me and others away from asking what we want when zos has shown that they change their minds with topics such as this.
I understand they said no. I understand their reasoning as well. I also understand that they have changed their minds on a few things as well. What I dont understand is why you want us to stop asking for what we want and try to settle for a compramise no one is asking for.
As a side note, I apologize if I come off rude, I dont mean too. I am a very direct person and dont mean any offense in any of my statements.
I'm definitely not steering others away from what you want.
I am steering you and anyone towards what ZOS has said they are willing to look into. Unfortunately that's in opposition to what you and others want.
I'm only trying to help as so many were absent and do not watch and/or listen to the live information which is how this company chooses to respond to their customer base.
If you really want to help you have to understand our position. Grouping up is our number one issue. We want a text chat that can reach thousands of people, not just those in earshot or those standing at the undaunted camp or those in our guild. We think the looking for grouptool is broken, exploitable, and rediculously inefficient. We want our text chat to be able to toggle on and off. We want voice chat to stay as is. There are other things we could discuss but this sums it up pretty well.
So, if you want to help us get on board with our ideas. If you don't like our ideas then there is no point in trying to "help" us and you can choose to leave or choose to stay here and continue to derail the thread arguing over garbage. You haven't convinced a single person and your not going to. This isn't debate club anyway. We've used text chat on other games, it works, and that is what we want!
You're sadly making false assumptions about me and also have placed your ideas and opinions as more important than my own or anyone else's. I actually have taken a lot of time and side conversations to understand your points of view.
I alone decided early in 2015 to make, manage, compile, inform and share a thread which was the only complete source for consoles months prior to release with this entire community her and on Xbox any and all possible info on console release. To be quite honest the majority the community found out that text chat wasn't offered prior to console beta because of my efforts. Some of the early pro-text chat box supporters are in my Xbox one guild.
A lot of you guys have no clue of what extent I went to each day for months to keep you guys in the loop. Even in 2014 prompting to lead the charge where finally Matt F specifically addressed my question during the 12 months of delays and silence and then keeping the momentum going which began ZOS interaction on console specific info.
The feature that you're upset about was scrapped sometime during the requirements set forth by Xbox and Sony which unknown to us could therein lie the definitive decision as to why it was removed.
If you go to the Playstation or Redditt site you'll see months prior to release during the 12+ month delay...a ps4 only screenshot was placed and ZOS mods suggested that an arrow on that screenshot was where text chat was to appear and be toggled or what not. Later(in my thread) ZOS mods admit that their info was outdated and they commented and shared things that development had scrapped earlier along in development. This type of stuff happens but I took my personal time to keep anyone at all interested informed.
To say I need to first understand your point of view which entails putting aside my own opinions is extremely selfish and oddly it's exactly what you claim I'm doing to you.
The reality is that I'm showing you windows from occurrences you missed and gates to access that info and first hand to listen to and read topics around those items. ZOS is the company who made decisions and who decides what does and what doesn't appear on the platform of your choice...not me.
I'm simply the messenger and sadly if not for me most of you would have no clue about anything pre release and post.
If you want the feature topic listened to by ZOS, it's ideal to listen to what they want to listen to and discuss along those lines.
Any poll or thread regardless of influence isn't how they go about making huge platform changes. Threads and polls are sometimes how they gauge interest in things they are open to changing. Find that space and develop and organize conversations there. If you hope they'll change their minds start with something vs beating a dead horse.
It works and I'm actually here to help you and. Others do so.
I've been trying for what....2 months nowNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Just Talking to ppl and the consoles have a whole world of options outside of the game. It's pretty simple unless you're new to consoles....PC to console seems just fine as I prefer not having text chat in order to play and not be interrupted or slowed down by typing and trying to read while playing.
This is a quote of yours from the thread titled 'Gaming Company Successes & Failure'. I chose this quote because it firmly displays that you don't want text chat on console. Now that is motive. Posters are going to have a difficult time believing that you're "here to help" when you have motive to push against text chat. You're far from a neutral party. So it's very easy to be drawn toward a conclusion that you just don't want text chat on console. Hopefully that illuminates why people are abrasive toward you saying you're here to help.
I see now...because someone disagrees with you, you and others have a hard time understanding that people can actually disagree but still work towards helping you get what you want or what's possible as an alternative.
I'm not a selfish person...it's why I'm trying to help the thread focus and collaborate for the topic at hand-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.
As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.
If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.
There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.
I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.
I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.
I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.
Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.
So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?
I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences
I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.
I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
Also
Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?
I think pretty much every forum poster now knows your views on not wanting text chat, about 50% of the time I read the forum, if I glance down at the topic titles, I see the text chat and your the last person to post
Still of course you have a right to give your thoughts, I just don't think you fully understand where others are coming from.
I've been a console player since I first brought my megadrive, had most of them, all the PS and all of the Xbox except the latest.
I've also been a PC gamer all this time too.
Different people play in different ways.
I don't join random guilds, never have. In Lotro I was in two guilds since the day it came out one on the EU and one in the US, in ESO I joined a guild I found via a forum when I said what I was looking for in a guild. It's a multi gaming guild hence if I do move on to another mmo, chances are my guild will have a presence also.
I rarely use pug groups either (on the PC), I like to group with friends I've made, in Lotro we have alliances with other guilds and my friend list grew etc after I had played with the same people a few times, got to know them and got to like them.
In ESO on the PC, my guild is a very active and friendly guild. We use Mumble when we are doing dungeons and PvP, although I don't always use it in long PvP sessions as I have no desire to sit there with headphones on for long periods of time.
The rest of the time I am chatting away to numerous guild members in text chat. I get to know these people through text chat and only speaking to them occasionally through mumble would probably have meant I had made far fewer friends.
I have two chat tabs, one with zone enabled for PvP, and one with just my guild enabled for general every day use, so I don't see the spam messages from others trying to sell or whatever as I have no interest in them.
Last night I was on Mumble with 3 guildies doing one of the vet dailies, and I could still easily type a quick hello to guildies who log on, and even answer a question or two in text chat in between fights.
At a rough guess, for every 4 hrs I play on the PC, I have my headphones on and use mumble for about 1 hr. The rest of the time I am using text chat to communicate with just my guild.
I have 2 friends on the PS4, one is my son who doesn't even own one, another is one of my guild mates who has recently got a PS4. Up until ESO, games I played online on the PS4 randomly grouped me with people who never spoke, never had their mikes on (or very few of them did) , for instance Destiny, don't have to talk to a soul there but can still happily PvP all night if I want.
When I game on the PC, I'm in the corner of the room, when I have my headphones on and use mumble, I'm not disturbing the rest of the family.
When I game on the PS4, it uses the main TV, I usually have my wife sitting next to me, son or daughter in the room etc and I don't like using headphones. As many others have said, some of the language etc that gets heard through the TV from others voice chat, well if I repeated it here, the post would get deleted. So as far as Zenimax are concerned, it's not suitable for this forum but perfectly OK for the whole family to hear through the TV.
When I play mmos on the console, I want to be able to join a guild and chat away with them without using a mic. When I play DCUniverse, that has text chat that's easy to use with a controller.
My PS4 gaming is very different to my PC gaming.
There has to be a way for different groups in the guild to be in their own chat rooms when they are running various dungeons etc, yet still see what other guildies are talking about and being able to comment, just like text chat on the PC lets me when I'm in mumble..
I get it,. you like using your headphones, my son when he's in his room on his Xbox has his phones on for hrs at a time, he has numerous long term friends he can group with. But not everyone enjoys doing that and I and many others have little if any desire to use voice while mooching about doing things such as a bit of solo leveling or crafting.
I get your concerns, I hate all the spam on the PC but as I have said, I get zero spam as I now just have guild chat showing most of the time. The odd occasion I need a mat I cant find, I enable other chat to see what people are selling but it's one simple click to disable it again.
I really really really don't understand why you have such a problem with it being introduced on the consoles in a way where like the PC version you can customize whats seen hence wont ever see the spam (and you do seem to have a much much bigger problem with this being introduced than most other players).
I hear concerns that if text chat was introduced, voice chat wouldn't be used, surely if that ended up being true, it only shows what the majority wanted. And I don't see how this would affect you even if that did happen, you can just keep chatting away using voice chat to your friends?
For many (on PS4 anyway) voice already ISN'T being used and we are having ZERO communication as we have voice chat disabled for the reasons many of us have already mentioned. I haven't played the console version for ages now for the sole reason of the lack of text chat. If it had text chat I would have brought the DLC, as it is I will probably uninstall it to get disc space back.
I have loads of addons on the PC but I would happily play the console version without them just for a completely different experience and to soak in more of the lore and story, however lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.
Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.
Real short....I'm not the reason you don't have this feature but ZOS is.
I'm attempting to help everyone understand where to find the information regarding ZOS's decision in development to scrap this feature. There is also a response to this topic on ESO live from much older threads that are now archived from the closed console beta forums.
To me...if anyone wants some form of this feature, it's only logical to fully understand what ZOS' opportunities and options are per what they've shared. As of now they have literally said and wrote that what exists on PC will not come to console but other ideas around pre-text radial chat is where they are willing to look at other ideas. It's why I suggested a compromise to utilize the social menu which is als where radial text chat is offered.
If your goal is to continue trying to convince anyone who votes against or who doesn't fully agree with your own opinions regarding this feature you're missing the point of this thread and also taking the thread off topic. If anyone desires a response from ZOS start where they are willing to listen and not where they've already responded even if you're new to the topic.
Zos changed their minds on issues they said no to before. Why do you think this should be any different?
I have asked you this several times now and I would like to read your response to that question.
It's not what I think and again it's not me arguing this.
In response to your question...ZOS just recently said to everyone after the last ESO live show that they have no new information. (Their stance hasn't changed) per Jessica Folsom's comment
That didnt really answer my question.
Im not asking about what zos has said in the past or recently, I am asking why are you trying to steer me and others away from asking what we want when zos has shown that they change their minds with topics such as this.
I understand they said no. I understand their reasoning as well. I also understand that they have changed their minds on a few things as well. What I dont understand is why you want us to stop asking for what we want and try to settle for a compramise no one is asking for.
As a side note, I apologize if I come off rude, I dont mean too. I am a very direct person and dont mean any offense in any of my statements.
I'm definitely not steering others away from what you want.
I am steering you and anyone towards what ZOS has said they are willing to look into. Unfortunately that's in opposition to what you and others want.
I'm only trying to help as so many were absent and do not watch and/or listen to the live information which is how this company chooses to respond to their customer base.
If you really want to help you have to understand our position. Grouping up is our number one issue. We want a text chat that can reach thousands of people, not just those in earshot or those standing at the undaunted camp or those in our guild. We think the looking for grouptool is broken, exploitable, and rediculously inefficient. We want our text chat to be able to toggle on and off. We want voice chat to stay as is. There are other things we could discuss but this sums it up pretty well.
So, if you want to help us get on board with our ideas. If you don't like our ideas then there is no point in trying to "help" us and you can choose to leave or choose to stay here and continue to derail the thread arguing over garbage. You haven't convinced a single person and your not going to. This isn't debate club anyway. We've used text chat on other games, it works, and that is what we want!
You're sadly making false assumptions about me and also have placed your ideas and opinions as more important than my own or anyone else's. I actually have taken a lot of time and side conversations to understand your points of view.
I alone decided early in 2015 to make, manage, compile, inform and share a thread which was the only complete source for consoles months prior to release with this entire community her and on Xbox any and all possible info on console release. To be quite honest the majority the community found out that text chat wasn't offered prior to console beta because of my efforts. Some of the early pro-text chat box supporters are in my Xbox one guild.
A lot of you guys have no clue of what extent I went to each day for months to keep you guys in the loop. Even in 2014 prompting to lead the charge where finally Matt F specifically addressed my question during the 12 months of delays and silence and then keeping the momentum going which began ZOS interaction on console specific info.
The feature that you're upset about was scrapped sometime during the requirements set forth by Xbox and Sony which unknown to us could therein lie the definitive decision as to why it was removed.
If you go to the Playstation or Redditt site you'll see months prior to release during the 12+ month delay...a ps4 only screenshot was placed and ZOS mods suggested that an arrow on that screenshot was where text chat was to appear and be toggled or what not. Later(in my thread) ZOS mods admit that their info was outdated and they commented and shared things that development had scrapped earlier along in development. This type of stuff happens but I took my personal time to keep anyone at all interested informed.
To say I need to first understand your point of view which entails putting aside my own opinions is extremely selfish and oddly it's exactly what you claim I'm doing to you.
The reality is that I'm showing you windows from occurrences you missed and gates to access that info and first hand to listen to and read topics around those items. ZOS is the company who made decisions and who decides what does and what doesn't appear on the platform of your choice...not me.
I'm simply the messenger and sadly if not for me most of you would have no clue about anything pre release and post.
If you want the feature topic listened to by ZOS, it's ideal to listen to what they want to listen to and discuss along those lines.
Any poll or thread regardless of influence isn't how they go about making huge platform changes. Threads and polls are sometimes how they gauge interest in things they are open to changing. Find that space and develop and organize conversations there. If you hope they'll change their minds start with something vs beating a dead horse.
It works and I'm actually here to help you and. Others do so.
I've been trying for what....2 months nowNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Just Talking to ppl and the consoles have a whole world of options outside of the game. It's pretty simple unless you're new to consoles....PC to console seems just fine as I prefer not having text chat in order to play and not be interrupted or slowed down by typing and trying to read while playing.
This is a quote of yours from the thread titled 'Gaming Company Successes & Failure'. I chose this quote because it firmly displays that you don't want text chat on console. Now that is motive. Posters are going to have a difficult time believing that you're "here to help" when you have motive to push against text chat. You're far from a neutral party. So it's very easy to be drawn toward a conclusion that you just don't want text chat on console. Hopefully that illuminates why people are abrasive toward you saying you're here to help.
I see now...because someone disagrees with you, you and others have a hard time understanding that people can actually disagree but still work towards helping you get what you want or what's possible as an alternative.
I'm not a selfish person...it's why I'm trying to help the thread focus and collaborate for the topic at hand
Calling it a disagreement over simplifies. Frankly you be fine with an alternative, but you clearly do not want text chat. Am I incorrect. If suddenly ZOS added text chat, you would take no issue with it?
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Actually, if you reviewed the thread there are plenty of really good ideas that were posted and cover how to improve the existing voice chat system and explain, in detail, why text chat would further support voice chat by offering multiple ways to communicate with different groups simultaneously. Yet, the result is you continually posting the same information without improving the discussion or helping these ideas to develop further. In fact, every time you post the topic degrades back into a pointless argument over why ZoS will not add text chat instead of continuing to develop methods to improve the existing communication system.Edited by Hiero_Glyph on 8 September 2015 21:184 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoNewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.
As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.
If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.
There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.
I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.
I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.
I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.
Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.
So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?
I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences
I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.
I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
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Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?
I think pretty much every forum poster now knows your views on not wanting text chat, about 50% of the time I read the forum, if I glance down at the topic titles, I see the text chat and your the last person to post
Still of course you have a right to give your thoughts, I just don't think you fully understand where others are coming from.
I've been a console player since I first brought my megadrive, had most of them, all the PS and all of the Xbox except the latest.
I've also been a PC gamer all this time too.
Different people play in different ways.
I don't join random guilds, never have. In Lotro I was in two guilds since the day it came out one on the EU and one in the US, in ESO I joined a guild I found via a forum when I said what I was looking for in a guild. It's a multi gaming guild hence if I do move on to another mmo, chances are my guild will have a presence also.
I rarely use pug groups either (on the PC), I like to group with friends I've made, in Lotro we have alliances with other guilds and my friend list grew etc after I had played with the same people a few times, got to know them and got to like them.
In ESO on the PC, my guild is a very active and friendly guild. We use Mumble when we are doing dungeons and PvP, although I don't always use it in long PvP sessions as I have no desire to sit there with headphones on for long periods of time.
The rest of the time I am chatting away to numerous guild members in text chat. I get to know these people through text chat and only speaking to them occasionally through mumble would probably have meant I had made far fewer friends.
I have two chat tabs, one with zone enabled for PvP, and one with just my guild enabled for general every day use, so I don't see the spam messages from others trying to sell or whatever as I have no interest in them.
Last night I was on Mumble with 3 guildies doing one of the vet dailies, and I could still easily type a quick hello to guildies who log on, and even answer a question or two in text chat in between fights.
At a rough guess, for every 4 hrs I play on the PC, I have my headphones on and use mumble for about 1 hr. The rest of the time I am using text chat to communicate with just my guild.
I have 2 friends on the PS4, one is my son who doesn't even own one, another is one of my guild mates who has recently got a PS4. Up until ESO, games I played online on the PS4 randomly grouped me with people who never spoke, never had their mikes on (or very few of them did) , for instance Destiny, don't have to talk to a soul there but can still happily PvP all night if I want.
When I game on the PC, I'm in the corner of the room, when I have my headphones on and use mumble, I'm not disturbing the rest of the family.
When I game on the PS4, it uses the main TV, I usually have my wife sitting next to me, son or daughter in the room etc and I don't like using headphones. As many others have said, some of the language etc that gets heard through the TV from others voice chat, well if I repeated it here, the post would get deleted. So as far as Zenimax are concerned, it's not suitable for this forum but perfectly OK for the whole family to hear through the TV.
When I play mmos on the console, I want to be able to join a guild and chat away with them without using a mic. When I play DCUniverse, that has text chat that's easy to use with a controller.
My PS4 gaming is very different to my PC gaming.
There has to be a way for different groups in the guild to be in their own chat rooms when they are running various dungeons etc, yet still see what other guildies are talking about and being able to comment, just like text chat on the PC lets me when I'm in mumble..
I get it,. you like using your headphones, my son when he's in his room on his Xbox has his phones on for hrs at a time, he has numerous long term friends he can group with. But not everyone enjoys doing that and I and many others have little if any desire to use voice while mooching about doing things such as a bit of solo leveling or crafting.
I get your concerns, I hate all the spam on the PC but as I have said, I get zero spam as I now just have guild chat showing most of the time. The odd occasion I need a mat I cant find, I enable other chat to see what people are selling but it's one simple click to disable it again.
I really really really don't understand why you have such a problem with it being introduced on the consoles in a way where like the PC version you can customize whats seen hence wont ever see the spam (and you do seem to have a much much bigger problem with this being introduced than most other players).
I hear concerns that if text chat was introduced, voice chat wouldn't be used, surely if that ended up being true, it only shows what the majority wanted. And I don't see how this would affect you even if that did happen, you can just keep chatting away using voice chat to your friends?
For many (on PS4 anyway) voice already ISN'T being used and we are having ZERO communication as we have voice chat disabled for the reasons many of us have already mentioned. I haven't played the console version for ages now for the sole reason of the lack of text chat. If it had text chat I would have brought the DLC, as it is I will probably uninstall it to get disc space back.
I have loads of addons on the PC but I would happily play the console version without them just for a completely different experience and to soak in more of the lore and story, however lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.
Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.
Real short....I'm not the reason you don't have this feature but ZOS is.
I'm attempting to help everyone understand where to find the information regarding ZOS's decision in development to scrap this feature. There is also a response to this topic on ESO live from much older threads that are now archived from the closed console beta forums.
To me...if anyone wants some form of this feature, it's only logical to fully understand what ZOS' opportunities and options are per what they've shared. As of now they have literally said and wrote that what exists on PC will not come to console but other ideas around pre-text radial chat is where they are willing to look at other ideas. It's why I suggested a compromise to utilize the social menu which is als where radial text chat is offered.
If your goal is to continue trying to convince anyone who votes against or who doesn't fully agree with your own opinions regarding this feature you're missing the point of this thread and also taking the thread off topic. If anyone desires a response from ZOS start where they are willing to listen and not where they've already responded even if you're new to the topic.
Zos changed their minds on issues they said no to before. Why do you think this should be any different?
I have asked you this several times now and I would like to read your response to that question.
It's not what I think and again it's not me arguing this.
In response to your question...ZOS just recently said to everyone after the last ESO live show that they have no new information. (Their stance hasn't changed) per Jessica Folsom's comment
That didnt really answer my question.
Im not asking about what zos has said in the past or recently, I am asking why are you trying to steer me and others away from asking what we want when zos has shown that they change their minds with topics such as this.
I understand they said no. I understand their reasoning as well. I also understand that they have changed their minds on a few things as well. What I dont understand is why you want us to stop asking for what we want and try to settle for a compramise no one is asking for.
As a side note, I apologize if I come off rude, I dont mean too. I am a very direct person and dont mean any offense in any of my statements.
I'm definitely not steering others away from what you want.
I am steering you and anyone towards what ZOS has said they are willing to look into. Unfortunately that's in opposition to what you and others want.
I'm only trying to help as so many were absent and do not watch and/or listen to the live information which is how this company chooses to respond to their customer base.
If you really want to help you have to understand our position. Grouping up is our number one issue. We want a text chat that can reach thousands of people, not just those in earshot or those standing at the undaunted camp or those in our guild. We think the looking for grouptool is broken, exploitable, and rediculously inefficient. We want our text chat to be able to toggle on and off. We want voice chat to stay as is. There are other things we could discuss but this sums it up pretty well.
So, if you want to help us get on board with our ideas. If you don't like our ideas then there is no point in trying to "help" us and you can choose to leave or choose to stay here and continue to derail the thread arguing over garbage. You haven't convinced a single person and your not going to. This isn't debate club anyway. We've used text chat on other games, it works, and that is what we want!
You're sadly making false assumptions about me and also have placed your ideas and opinions as more important than my own or anyone else's. I actually have taken a lot of time and side conversations to understand your points of view.
I alone decided early in 2015 to make, manage, compile, inform and share a thread which was the only complete source for consoles months prior to release with this entire community her and on Xbox any and all possible info on console release. To be quite honest the majority the community found out that text chat wasn't offered prior to console beta because of my efforts. Some of the early pro-text chat box supporters are in my Xbox one guild.
A lot of you guys have no clue of what extent I went to each day for months to keep you guys in the loop. Even in 2014 prompting to lead the charge where finally Matt F specifically addressed my question during the 12 months of delays and silence and then keeping the momentum going which began ZOS interaction on console specific info.
The feature that you're upset about was scrapped sometime during the requirements set forth by Xbox and Sony which unknown to us could therein lie the definitive decision as to why it was removed.
If you go to the Playstation or Redditt site you'll see months prior to release during the 12+ month delay...a ps4 only screenshot was placed and ZOS mods suggested that an arrow on that screenshot was where text chat was to appear and be toggled or what not. Later(in my thread) ZOS mods admit that their info was outdated and they commented and shared things that development had scrapped earlier along in development. This type of stuff happens but I took my personal time to keep anyone at all interested informed.
To say I need to first understand your point of view which entails putting aside my own opinions is extremely selfish and oddly it's exactly what you claim I'm doing to you.
The reality is that I'm showing you windows from occurrences you missed and gates to access that info and first hand to listen to and read topics around those items. ZOS is the company who made decisions and who decides what does and what doesn't appear on the platform of your choice...not me.
I'm simply the messenger and sadly if not for me most of you would have no clue about anything pre release and post.
If you want the feature topic listened to by ZOS, it's ideal to listen to what they want to listen to and discuss along those lines.
Any poll or thread regardless of influence isn't how they go about making huge platform changes. Threads and polls are sometimes how they gauge interest in things they are open to changing. Find that space and develop and organize conversations there. If you hope they'll change their minds start with something vs beating a dead horse.
It works and I'm actually here to help you and. Others do so.
I've been trying for what....2 months nowNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Just Talking to ppl and the consoles have a whole world of options outside of the game. It's pretty simple unless you're new to consoles....PC to console seems just fine as I prefer not having text chat in order to play and not be interrupted or slowed down by typing and trying to read while playing.
This is a quote of yours from the thread titled 'Gaming Company Successes & Failure'. I chose this quote because it firmly displays that you don't want text chat on console. Now that is motive. Posters are going to have a difficult time believing that you're "here to help" when you have motive to push against text chat. You're far from a neutral party. So it's very easy to be drawn toward a conclusion that you just don't want text chat on console. Hopefully that illuminates why people are abrasive toward you saying you're here to help.
I see now...because someone disagrees with you, you and others have a hard time understanding that people can actually disagree but still work towards helping you get what you want or what's possible as an alternative.
I'm not a selfish person...it's why I'm trying to help the thread focus and collaborate for the topic at hand
Calling it a disagreement over simplifies. Frankly you be fine with an alternative, but you clearly do not want text chat. Am I incorrect. If suddenly ZOS added text chat, you would take no issue with it?
Again you and others continue to try and make it about me.
You're derailing the topic.
What i want and or don't want is not at all what this is about. What this is about is what you guys want and what ZOS is willing to consider. Let's discuss options based on what we know.
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Requests for a different animation for staff users?mrskinskull wrote: »Why should this niche request get special treatment over all of the other requests made on the forum?
Don't go expecting an official ZOS response for a niche request like that...
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✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.
As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.
If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.
There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.
I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.
I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.
I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.
Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.
So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?
I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences
I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.
I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
Also
Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?
I think pretty much every forum poster now knows your views on not wanting text chat, about 50% of the time I read the forum, if I glance down at the topic titles, I see the text chat and your the last person to post
Still of course you have a right to give your thoughts, I just don't think you fully understand where others are coming from.
I've been a console player since I first brought my megadrive, had most of them, all the PS and all of the Xbox except the latest.
I've also been a PC gamer all this time too.
Different people play in different ways.
I don't join random guilds, never have. In Lotro I was in two guilds since the day it came out one on the EU and one in the US, in ESO I joined a guild I found via a forum when I said what I was looking for in a guild. It's a multi gaming guild hence if I do move on to another mmo, chances are my guild will have a presence also.
I rarely use pug groups either (on the PC), I like to group with friends I've made, in Lotro we have alliances with other guilds and my friend list grew etc after I had played with the same people a few times, got to know them and got to like them.
In ESO on the PC, my guild is a very active and friendly guild. We use Mumble when we are doing dungeons and PvP, although I don't always use it in long PvP sessions as I have no desire to sit there with headphones on for long periods of time.
The rest of the time I am chatting away to numerous guild members in text chat. I get to know these people through text chat and only speaking to them occasionally through mumble would probably have meant I had made far fewer friends.
I have two chat tabs, one with zone enabled for PvP, and one with just my guild enabled for general every day use, so I don't see the spam messages from others trying to sell or whatever as I have no interest in them.
Last night I was on Mumble with 3 guildies doing one of the vet dailies, and I could still easily type a quick hello to guildies who log on, and even answer a question or two in text chat in between fights.
At a rough guess, for every 4 hrs I play on the PC, I have my headphones on and use mumble for about 1 hr. The rest of the time I am using text chat to communicate with just my guild.
I have 2 friends on the PS4, one is my son who doesn't even own one, another is one of my guild mates who has recently got a PS4. Up until ESO, games I played online on the PS4 randomly grouped me with people who never spoke, never had their mikes on (or very few of them did) , for instance Destiny, don't have to talk to a soul there but can still happily PvP all night if I want.
When I game on the PC, I'm in the corner of the room, when I have my headphones on and use mumble, I'm not disturbing the rest of the family.
When I game on the PS4, it uses the main TV, I usually have my wife sitting next to me, son or daughter in the room etc and I don't like using headphones. As many others have said, some of the language etc that gets heard through the TV from others voice chat, well if I repeated it here, the post would get deleted. So as far as Zenimax are concerned, it's not suitable for this forum but perfectly OK for the whole family to hear through the TV.
When I play mmos on the console, I want to be able to join a guild and chat away with them without using a mic. When I play DCUniverse, that has text chat that's easy to use with a controller.
My PS4 gaming is very different to my PC gaming.
There has to be a way for different groups in the guild to be in their own chat rooms when they are running various dungeons etc, yet still see what other guildies are talking about and being able to comment, just like text chat on the PC lets me when I'm in mumble..
I get it,. you like using your headphones, my son when he's in his room on his Xbox has his phones on for hrs at a time, he has numerous long term friends he can group with. But not everyone enjoys doing that and I and many others have little if any desire to use voice while mooching about doing things such as a bit of solo leveling or crafting.
I get your concerns, I hate all the spam on the PC but as I have said, I get zero spam as I now just have guild chat showing most of the time. The odd occasion I need a mat I cant find, I enable other chat to see what people are selling but it's one simple click to disable it again.
I really really really don't understand why you have such a problem with it being introduced on the consoles in a way where like the PC version you can customize whats seen hence wont ever see the spam (and you do seem to have a much much bigger problem with this being introduced than most other players).
I hear concerns that if text chat was introduced, voice chat wouldn't be used, surely if that ended up being true, it only shows what the majority wanted. And I don't see how this would affect you even if that did happen, you can just keep chatting away using voice chat to your friends?
For many (on PS4 anyway) voice already ISN'T being used and we are having ZERO communication as we have voice chat disabled for the reasons many of us have already mentioned. I haven't played the console version for ages now for the sole reason of the lack of text chat. If it had text chat I would have brought the DLC, as it is I will probably uninstall it to get disc space back.
I have loads of addons on the PC but I would happily play the console version without them just for a completely different experience and to soak in more of the lore and story, however lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.
Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.
Real short....I'm not the reason you don't have this feature but ZOS is.
I'm attempting to help everyone understand where to find the information regarding ZOS's decision in development to scrap this feature. There is also a response to this topic on ESO live from much older threads that are now archived from the closed console beta forums.
To me...if anyone wants some form of this feature, it's only logical to fully understand what ZOS' opportunities and options are per what they've shared. As of now they have literally said and wrote that what exists on PC will not come to console but other ideas around pre-text radial chat is where they are willing to look at other ideas. It's why I suggested a compromise to utilize the social menu which is als where radial text chat is offered.
If your goal is to continue trying to convince anyone who votes against or who doesn't fully agree with your own opinions regarding this feature you're missing the point of this thread and also taking the thread off topic. If anyone desires a response from ZOS start where they are willing to listen and not where they've already responded even if you're new to the topic.
Zos changed their minds on issues they said no to before. Why do you think this should be any different?
I have asked you this several times now and I would like to read your response to that question.
It's not what I think and again it's not me arguing this.
In response to your question...ZOS just recently said to everyone after the last ESO live show that they have no new information. (Their stance hasn't changed) per Jessica Folsom's comment
That didnt really answer my question.
Im not asking about what zos has said in the past or recently, I am asking why are you trying to steer me and others away from asking what we want when zos has shown that they change their minds with topics such as this.
I understand they said no. I understand their reasoning as well. I also understand that they have changed their minds on a few things as well. What I dont understand is why you want us to stop asking for what we want and try to settle for a compramise no one is asking for.
As a side note, I apologize if I come off rude, I dont mean too. I am a very direct person and dont mean any offense in any of my statements.
I'm definitely not steering others away from what you want.
I am steering you and anyone towards what ZOS has said they are willing to look into. Unfortunately that's in opposition to what you and others want.
I'm only trying to help as so many were absent and do not watch and/or listen to the live information which is how this company chooses to respond to their customer base.
If you really want to help you have to understand our position. Grouping up is our number one issue. We want a text chat that can reach thousands of people, not just those in earshot or those standing at the undaunted camp or those in our guild. We think the looking for grouptool is broken, exploitable, and rediculously inefficient. We want our text chat to be able to toggle on and off. We want voice chat to stay as is. There are other things we could discuss but this sums it up pretty well.
So, if you want to help us get on board with our ideas. If you don't like our ideas then there is no point in trying to "help" us and you can choose to leave or choose to stay here and continue to derail the thread arguing over garbage. You haven't convinced a single person and your not going to. This isn't debate club anyway. We've used text chat on other games, it works, and that is what we want!
You're sadly making false assumptions about me and also have placed your ideas and opinions as more important than my own or anyone else's. I actually have taken a lot of time and side conversations to understand your points of view.
I alone decided early in 2015 to make, manage, compile, inform and share a thread which was the only complete source for consoles months prior to release with this entire community her and on Xbox any and all possible info on console release. To be quite honest the majority the community found out that text chat wasn't offered prior to console beta because of my efforts. Some of the early pro-text chat box supporters are in my Xbox one guild.
A lot of you guys have no clue of what extent I went to each day for months to keep you guys in the loop. Even in 2014 prompting to lead the charge where finally Matt F specifically addressed my question during the 12 months of delays and silence and then keeping the momentum going which began ZOS interaction on console specific info.
The feature that you're upset about was scrapped sometime during the requirements set forth by Xbox and Sony which unknown to us could therein lie the definitive decision as to why it was removed.
If you go to the Playstation or Redditt site you'll see months prior to release during the 12+ month delay...a ps4 only screenshot was placed and ZOS mods suggested that an arrow on that screenshot was where text chat was to appear and be toggled or what not. Later(in my thread) ZOS mods admit that their info was outdated and they commented and shared things that development had scrapped earlier along in development. This type of stuff happens but I took my personal time to keep anyone at all interested informed.
To say I need to first understand your point of view which entails putting aside my own opinions is extremely selfish and oddly it's exactly what you claim I'm doing to you.
The reality is that I'm showing you windows from occurrences you missed and gates to access that info and first hand to listen to and read topics around those items. ZOS is the company who made decisions and who decides what does and what doesn't appear on the platform of your choice...not me.
I'm simply the messenger and sadly if not for me most of you would have no clue about anything pre release and post.
If you want the feature topic listened to by ZOS, it's ideal to listen to what they want to listen to and discuss along those lines.
Any poll or thread regardless of influence isn't how they go about making huge platform changes. Threads and polls are sometimes how they gauge interest in things they are open to changing. Find that space and develop and organize conversations there. If you hope they'll change their minds start with something vs beating a dead horse.
It works and I'm actually here to help you and. Others do so.
I've been trying for what....2 months nowNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Just Talking to ppl and the consoles have a whole world of options outside of the game. It's pretty simple unless you're new to consoles....PC to console seems just fine as I prefer not having text chat in order to play and not be interrupted or slowed down by typing and trying to read while playing.
This is a quote of yours from the thread titled 'Gaming Company Successes & Failure'. I chose this quote because it firmly displays that you don't want text chat on console. Now that is motive. Posters are going to have a difficult time believing that you're "here to help" when you have motive to push against text chat. You're far from a neutral party. So it's very easy to be drawn toward a conclusion that you just don't want text chat on console. Hopefully that illuminates why people are abrasive toward you saying you're here to help.
I see now...because someone disagrees with you, you and others have a hard time understanding that people can actually disagree but still work towards helping you get what you want or what's possible as an alternative.
I'm not a selfish person...it's why I'm trying to help the thread focus and collaborate for the topic at hand
Calling it a disagreement over simplifies. Frankly you be fine with an alternative, but you clearly do not want text chat. Am I incorrect. If suddenly ZOS added text chat, you would take no issue with it?
Again you and others continue to try and make it about me.
You're derailing the topic.
What i want and or don't want is not at all what this is about. What this is about is what you guys want and what ZOS is willing to consider. Let's discuss options based on what we know.
Why are you the interpreter of what ZOS will listen to? You don't want the discussion to involve you, or your opinion on the subject to be considered. Yet you personally want to oversee and advise on what ZOS will listen to. You cannot see how a conflict of interest would not be questioned?1 -
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Actually, if you reviewed the thread there are plenty of really good ideas that were posted and cover how to improve the existing voice chat system and explain, in detail, why text chat would further support voice chat by offering multiple ways to communicate with different groups simultaneously. Yet, the result is you continually posting the same information without improving the discussion or helping these ideas to develop further. In fact, every time you post the topic degrades back into a pointless argument over why ZoS will not add text chat instead of continuing to develop methods to improve the existing communication system.
Hiero Glyph
I've reviewed and actually participated in some of those ideas. I've not participated in the ideas that ZOS isn't open to.
Nothing against those ideas but I'm trying to focus on what's possible.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Glorious_One✭✭✭YesAsherons_Call wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.
As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.
If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.
There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.
I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.
I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.
I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.
Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.
So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?
I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences
I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.
I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
Also
Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?
I think pretty much every forum poster now knows your views on not wanting text chat, about 50% of the time I read the forum, if I glance down at the topic titles, I see the text chat and your the last person to post
Still of course you have a right to give your thoughts, I just don't think you fully understand where others are coming from.
I've been a console player since I first brought my megadrive, had most of them, all the PS and all of the Xbox except the latest.
I've also been a PC gamer all this time too.
Different people play in different ways.
I don't join random guilds, never have. In Lotro I was in two guilds since the day it came out one on the EU and one in the US, in ESO I joined a guild I found via a forum when I said what I was looking for in a guild. It's a multi gaming guild hence if I do move on to another mmo, chances are my guild will have a presence also.
I rarely use pug groups either (on the PC), I like to group with friends I've made, in Lotro we have alliances with other guilds and my friend list grew etc after I had played with the same people a few times, got to know them and got to like them.
In ESO on the PC, my guild is a very active and friendly guild. We use Mumble when we are doing dungeons and PvP, although I don't always use it in long PvP sessions as I have no desire to sit there with headphones on for long periods of time.
The rest of the time I am chatting away to numerous guild members in text chat. I get to know these people through text chat and only speaking to them occasionally through mumble would probably have meant I had made far fewer friends.
I have two chat tabs, one with zone enabled for PvP, and one with just my guild enabled for general every day use, so I don't see the spam messages from others trying to sell or whatever as I have no interest in them.
Last night I was on Mumble with 3 guildies doing one of the vet dailies, and I could still easily type a quick hello to guildies who log on, and even answer a question or two in text chat in between fights.
At a rough guess, for every 4 hrs I play on the PC, I have my headphones on and use mumble for about 1 hr. The rest of the time I am using text chat to communicate with just my guild.
I have 2 friends on the PS4, one is my son who doesn't even own one, another is one of my guild mates who has recently got a PS4. Up until ESO, games I played online on the PS4 randomly grouped me with people who never spoke, never had their mikes on (or very few of them did) , for instance Destiny, don't have to talk to a soul there but can still happily PvP all night if I want.
When I game on the PC, I'm in the corner of the room, when I have my headphones on and use mumble, I'm not disturbing the rest of the family.
When I game on the PS4, it uses the main TV, I usually have my wife sitting next to me, son or daughter in the room etc and I don't like using headphones. As many others have said, some of the language etc that gets heard through the TV from others voice chat, well if I repeated it here, the post would get deleted. So as far as Zenimax are concerned, it's not suitable for this forum but perfectly OK for the whole family to hear through the TV.
When I play mmos on the console, I want to be able to join a guild and chat away with them without using a mic. When I play DCUniverse, that has text chat that's easy to use with a controller.
My PS4 gaming is very different to my PC gaming.
There has to be a way for different groups in the guild to be in their own chat rooms when they are running various dungeons etc, yet still see what other guildies are talking about and being able to comment, just like text chat on the PC lets me when I'm in mumble..
I get it,. you like using your headphones, my son when he's in his room on his Xbox has his phones on for hrs at a time, he has numerous long term friends he can group with. But not everyone enjoys doing that and I and many others have little if any desire to use voice while mooching about doing things such as a bit of solo leveling or crafting.
I get your concerns, I hate all the spam on the PC but as I have said, I get zero spam as I now just have guild chat showing most of the time. The odd occasion I need a mat I cant find, I enable other chat to see what people are selling but it's one simple click to disable it again.
I really really really don't understand why you have such a problem with it being introduced on the consoles in a way where like the PC version you can customize whats seen hence wont ever see the spam (and you do seem to have a much much bigger problem with this being introduced than most other players).
I hear concerns that if text chat was introduced, voice chat wouldn't be used, surely if that ended up being true, it only shows what the majority wanted. And I don't see how this would affect you even if that did happen, you can just keep chatting away using voice chat to your friends?
For many (on PS4 anyway) voice already ISN'T being used and we are having ZERO communication as we have voice chat disabled for the reasons many of us have already mentioned. I haven't played the console version for ages now for the sole reason of the lack of text chat. If it had text chat I would have brought the DLC, as it is I will probably uninstall it to get disc space back.
I have loads of addons on the PC but I would happily play the console version without them just for a completely different experience and to soak in more of the lore and story, however lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.
Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.
Real short....I'm not the reason you don't have this feature but ZOS is.
I'm attempting to help everyone understand where to find the information regarding ZOS's decision in development to scrap this feature. There is also a response to this topic on ESO live from much older threads that are now archived from the closed console beta forums.
To me...if anyone wants some form of this feature, it's only logical to fully understand what ZOS' opportunities and options are per what they've shared. As of now they have literally said and wrote that what exists on PC will not come to console but other ideas around pre-text radial chat is where they are willing to look at other ideas. It's why I suggested a compromise to utilize the social menu which is als where radial text chat is offered.
If your goal is to continue trying to convince anyone who votes against or who doesn't fully agree with your own opinions regarding this feature you're missing the point of this thread and also taking the thread off topic. If anyone desires a response from ZOS start where they are willing to listen and not where they've already responded even if you're new to the topic.
Zos changed their minds on issues they said no to before. Why do you think this should be any different?
I have asked you this several times now and I would like to read your response to that question.
It's not what I think and again it's not me arguing this.
In response to your question...ZOS just recently said to everyone after the last ESO live show that they have no new information. (Their stance hasn't changed) per Jessica Folsom's comment
That didnt really answer my question.
Im not asking about what zos has said in the past or recently, I am asking why are you trying to steer me and others away from asking what we want when zos has shown that they change their minds with topics such as this.
I understand they said no. I understand their reasoning as well. I also understand that they have changed their minds on a few things as well. What I dont understand is why you want us to stop asking for what we want and try to settle for a compramise no one is asking for.
As a side note, I apologize if I come off rude, I dont mean too. I am a very direct person and dont mean any offense in any of my statements.
I'M DEFINITELY NOT STEERING OTHERS AWAY FROM WHAT YOU WANT
I am steering you and anyone towards what ZOS has said they are willing to look into. UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S IN OPPOSITION OF WHAT YOU AND OTHERS WANT
I'm only trying to help as so many were absent and do not watch and/or listen to the live information which is how this company chooses to respond to their customer base.
To be completely honest. Your steering, is not helping.
That is as plain as I can put it.
Also I just wanted to highlight a contradiction in your statement, that probably shows alot about you and your arguements here.
Haha yea I caught that too and had a quick chuckle.
Oh and your name reminds me of a movie quote "I think I see blue! He looks glorious!"
Lol what movie is that quote from?
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoGlorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.
As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.
If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.
There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.
I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.
I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.
I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.
Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.
So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?
I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences
I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.
I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
Also
Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?
I think pretty much every forum poster now knows your views on not wanting text chat, about 50% of the time I read the forum, if I glance down at the topic titles, I see the text chat and your the last person to post
Still of course you have a right to give your thoughts, I just don't think you fully understand where others are coming from.
I've been a console player since I first brought my megadrive, had most of them, all the PS and all of the Xbox except the latest.
I've also been a PC gamer all this time too.
Different people play in different ways.
I don't join random guilds, never have. In Lotro I was in two guilds since the day it came out one on the EU and one in the US, in ESO I joined a guild I found via a forum when I said what I was looking for in a guild. It's a multi gaming guild hence if I do move on to another mmo, chances are my guild will have a presence also.
I rarely use pug groups either (on the PC), I like to group with friends I've made, in Lotro we have alliances with other guilds and my friend list grew etc after I had played with the same people a few times, got to know them and got to like them.
In ESO on the PC, my guild is a very active and friendly guild. We use Mumble when we are doing dungeons and PvP, although I don't always use it in long PvP sessions as I have no desire to sit there with headphones on for long periods of time.
The rest of the time I am chatting away to numerous guild members in text chat. I get to know these people through text chat and only speaking to them occasionally through mumble would probably have meant I had made far fewer friends.
I have two chat tabs, one with zone enabled for PvP, and one with just my guild enabled for general every day use, so I don't see the spam messages from others trying to sell or whatever as I have no interest in them.
Last night I was on Mumble with 3 guildies doing one of the vet dailies, and I could still easily type a quick hello to guildies who log on, and even answer a question or two in text chat in between fights.
At a rough guess, for every 4 hrs I play on the PC, I have my headphones on and use mumble for about 1 hr. The rest of the time I am using text chat to communicate with just my guild.
I have 2 friends on the PS4, one is my son who doesn't even own one, another is one of my guild mates who has recently got a PS4. Up until ESO, games I played online on the PS4 randomly grouped me with people who never spoke, never had their mikes on (or very few of them did) , for instance Destiny, don't have to talk to a soul there but can still happily PvP all night if I want.
When I game on the PC, I'm in the corner of the room, when I have my headphones on and use mumble, I'm not disturbing the rest of the family.
When I game on the PS4, it uses the main TV, I usually have my wife sitting next to me, son or daughter in the room etc and I don't like using headphones. As many others have said, some of the language etc that gets heard through the TV from others voice chat, well if I repeated it here, the post would get deleted. So as far as Zenimax are concerned, it's not suitable for this forum but perfectly OK for the whole family to hear through the TV.
When I play mmos on the console, I want to be able to join a guild and chat away with them without using a mic. When I play DCUniverse, that has text chat that's easy to use with a controller.
My PS4 gaming is very different to my PC gaming.
There has to be a way for different groups in the guild to be in their own chat rooms when they are running various dungeons etc, yet still see what other guildies are talking about and being able to comment, just like text chat on the PC lets me when I'm in mumble..
I get it,. you like using your headphones, my son when he's in his room on his Xbox has his phones on for hrs at a time, he has numerous long term friends he can group with. But not everyone enjoys doing that and I and many others have little if any desire to use voice while mooching about doing things such as a bit of solo leveling or crafting.
I get your concerns, I hate all the spam on the PC but as I have said, I get zero spam as I now just have guild chat showing most of the time. The odd occasion I need a mat I cant find, I enable other chat to see what people are selling but it's one simple click to disable it again.
I really really really don't understand why you have such a problem with it being introduced on the consoles in a way where like the PC version you can customize whats seen hence wont ever see the spam (and you do seem to have a much much bigger problem with this being introduced than most other players).
I hear concerns that if text chat was introduced, voice chat wouldn't be used, surely if that ended up being true, it only shows what the majority wanted. And I don't see how this would affect you even if that did happen, you can just keep chatting away using voice chat to your friends?
For many (on PS4 anyway) voice already ISN'T being used and we are having ZERO communication as we have voice chat disabled for the reasons many of us have already mentioned. I haven't played the console version for ages now for the sole reason of the lack of text chat. If it had text chat I would have brought the DLC, as it is I will probably uninstall it to get disc space back.
I have loads of addons on the PC but I would happily play the console version without them just for a completely different experience and to soak in more of the lore and story, however lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.
Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.
Real short....I'm not the reason you don't have this feature but ZOS is.
I'm attempting to help everyone understand where to find the information regarding ZOS's decision in development to scrap this feature. There is also a response to this topic on ESO live from much older threads that are now archived from the closed console beta forums.
To me...if anyone wants some form of this feature, it's only logical to fully understand what ZOS' opportunities and options are per what they've shared. As of now they have literally said and wrote that what exists on PC will not come to console but other ideas around pre-text radial chat is where they are willing to look at other ideas. It's why I suggested a compromise to utilize the social menu which is als where radial text chat is offered.
If your goal is to continue trying to convince anyone who votes against or who doesn't fully agree with your own opinions regarding this feature you're missing the point of this thread and also taking the thread off topic. If anyone desires a response from ZOS start where they are willing to listen and not where they've already responded even if you're new to the topic.
Zos changed their minds on issues they said no to before. Why do you think this should be any different?
I have asked you this several times now and I would like to read your response to that question.
It's not what I think and again it's not me arguing this.
In response to your question...ZOS just recently said to everyone after the last ESO live show that they have no new information. (Their stance hasn't changed) per Jessica Folsom's comment
That didnt really answer my question.
Im not asking about what zos has said in the past or recently, I am asking why are you trying to steer me and others away from asking what we want when zos has shown that they change their minds with topics such as this.
I understand they said no. I understand their reasoning as well. I also understand that they have changed their minds on a few things as well. What I dont understand is why you want us to stop asking for what we want and try to settle for a compramise no one is asking for.
As a side note, I apologize if I come off rude, I dont mean too. I am a very direct person and dont mean any offense in any of my statements.
Don't you think its strange that when people complained about vet ranks, zos changed their minds openly and made an announcement . It hasn't happened yet but they have no problem addressing a possible community led change.
Their reaction to a text chat box on console is very telling. There will be no change.
Why wouldn't they just at least say text chat is coming just to stop all of the harrasment from the pro text guys?
They have shown they aren't afraid to just promise something that won't happen for years, why not here unless its not going to happen?
I'm sorry if that bursts anyone's bubble but everyone else sees the text chat on the wall here.
Maybe a second screen app, would generate some interest at zos?
Its more in line with modern console marketing.
Anyone who hasn't check out game trailers.com , they uploaded an interview about ESO from gamescom, the guy makes it pretty clear going the straight mmo route is not going to work on console and they have more interest in making the game accessible to casuals.
Watch that before you give us any more grief.
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robkrush✭✭✭✭✭YesWhy do slaughter fish kill me when I swim out into the ocean? We all know slaughterfish are a foul water fish.
PS4-NA-DC
PSN: robkrush
The game's central concept of "PvP in PvP areas and be safe in safe areas" needs to stay the way it is.
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robkrush✭✭✭✭✭Yesmrskinskull wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.
As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.
If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.
There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.
I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.
I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.
I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.
Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.
So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?
I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences
I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.
I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
Also
Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?
I think pretty much every forum poster now knows your views on not wanting text chat, about 50% of the time I read the forum, if I glance down at the topic titles, I see the text chat and your the last person to post
Still of course you have a right to give your thoughts, I just don't think you fully understand where others are coming from.
I've been a console player since I first brought my megadrive, had most of them, all the PS and all of the Xbox except the latest.
I've also been a PC gamer all this time too.
Different people play in different ways.
I don't join random guilds, never have. In Lotro I was in two guilds since the day it came out one on the EU and one in the US, in ESO I joined a guild I found via a forum when I said what I was looking for in a guild. It's a multi gaming guild hence if I do move on to another mmo, chances are my guild will have a presence also.
I rarely use pug groups either (on the PC), I like to group with friends I've made, in Lotro we have alliances with other guilds and my friend list grew etc after I had played with the same people a few times, got to know them and got to like them.
In ESO on the PC, my guild is a very active and friendly guild. We use Mumble when we are doing dungeons and PvP, although I don't always use it in long PvP sessions as I have no desire to sit there with headphones on for long periods of time.
The rest of the time I am chatting away to numerous guild members in text chat. I get to know these people through text chat and only speaking to them occasionally through mumble would probably have meant I had made far fewer friends.
I have two chat tabs, one with zone enabled for PvP, and one with just my guild enabled for general every day use, so I don't see the spam messages from others trying to sell or whatever as I have no interest in them.
Last night I was on Mumble with 3 guildies doing one of the vet dailies, and I could still easily type a quick hello to guildies who log on, and even answer a question or two in text chat in between fights.
At a rough guess, for every 4 hrs I play on the PC, I have my headphones on and use mumble for about 1 hr. The rest of the time I am using text chat to communicate with just my guild.
I have 2 friends on the PS4, one is my son who doesn't even own one, another is one of my guild mates who has recently got a PS4. Up until ESO, games I played online on the PS4 randomly grouped me with people who never spoke, never had their mikes on (or very few of them did) , for instance Destiny, don't have to talk to a soul there but can still happily PvP all night if I want.
When I game on the PC, I'm in the corner of the room, when I have my headphones on and use mumble, I'm not disturbing the rest of the family.
When I game on the PS4, it uses the main TV, I usually have my wife sitting next to me, son or daughter in the room etc and I don't like using headphones. As many others have said, some of the language etc that gets heard through the TV from others voice chat, well if I repeated it here, the post would get deleted. So as far as Zenimax are concerned, it's not suitable for this forum but perfectly OK for the whole family to hear through the TV.
When I play mmos on the console, I want to be able to join a guild and chat away with them without using a mic. When I play DCUniverse, that has text chat that's easy to use with a controller.
My PS4 gaming is very different to my PC gaming.
There has to be a way for different groups in the guild to be in their own chat rooms when they are running various dungeons etc, yet still see what other guildies are talking about and being able to comment, just like text chat on the PC lets me when I'm in mumble..
I get it,. you like using your headphones, my son when he's in his room on his Xbox has his phones on for hrs at a time, he has numerous long term friends he can group with. But not everyone enjoys doing that and I and many others have little if any desire to use voice while mooching about doing things such as a bit of solo leveling or crafting.
I get your concerns, I hate all the spam on the PC but as I have said, I get zero spam as I now just have guild chat showing most of the time. The odd occasion I need a mat I cant find, I enable other chat to see what people are selling but it's one simple click to disable it again.
I really really really don't understand why you have such a problem with it being introduced on the consoles in a way where like the PC version you can customize whats seen hence wont ever see the spam (and you do seem to have a much much bigger problem with this being introduced than most other players).
I hear concerns that if text chat was introduced, voice chat wouldn't be used, surely if that ended up being true, it only shows what the majority wanted. And I don't see how this would affect you even if that did happen, you can just keep chatting away using voice chat to your friends?
For many (on PS4 anyway) voice already ISN'T being used and we are having ZERO communication as we have voice chat disabled for the reasons many of us have already mentioned. I haven't played the console version for ages now for the sole reason of the lack of text chat. If it had text chat I would have brought the DLC, as it is I will probably uninstall it to get disc space back.
I have loads of addons on the PC but I would happily play the console version without them just for a completely different experience and to soak in more of the lore and story, however lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.
Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.
Real short....I'm not the reason you don't have this feature but ZOS is.
I'm attempting to help everyone understand where to find the information regarding ZOS's decision in development to scrap this feature. There is also a response to this topic on ESO live from much older threads that are now archived from the closed console beta forums.
To me...if anyone wants some form of this feature, it's only logical to fully understand what ZOS' opportunities and options are per what they've shared. As of now they have literally said and wrote that what exists on PC will not come to console but other ideas around pre-text radial chat is where they are willing to look at other ideas. It's why I suggested a compromise to utilize the social menu which is als where radial text chat is offered.
If your goal is to continue trying to convince anyone who votes against or who doesn't fully agree with your own opinions regarding this feature you're missing the point of this thread and also taking the thread off topic. If anyone desires a response from ZOS start where they are willing to listen and not where they've already responded even if you're new to the topic.
Zos changed their minds on issues they said no to before. Why do you think this should be any different?
I have asked you this several times now and I would like to read your response to that question.
It's not what I think and again it's not me arguing this.
In response to your question...ZOS just recently said to everyone after the last ESO live show that they have no new information. (Their stance hasn't changed) per Jessica Folsom's comment
That didnt really answer my question.
Im not asking about what zos has said in the past or recently, I am asking why are you trying to steer me and others away from asking what we want when zos has shown that they change their minds with topics such as this.
I understand they said no. I understand their reasoning as well. I also understand that they have changed their minds on a few things as well. What I dont understand is why you want us to stop asking for what we want and try to settle for a compramise no one is asking for.
As a side note, I apologize if I come off rude, I dont mean too. I am a very direct person and dont mean any offense in any of my statements.
Don't you think its strange that when people complained about vet ranks, zos changed their minds openly and made an announcement . It hasn't happened yet but they have no problem addressing a possible community led change.
Their reaction to a text chat box on console is very telling. There will be no change.
Why wouldn't they just at least say text chat is coming just to stop all of the harrasment from the pro text guys?
They have shown they aren't afraid to just promise something that won't happen for years, why not here unless its not going to happen?
I'm sorry if that bursts anyone's bubble but everyone else sees the text chat on the wall here.
Maybe a second screen app, would generate some interest at zos?
Its more in line with modern console marketing.
Anyone who hasn't check out game trailers.com , they uploaded an interview about ESO from gamescom, the guy makes it pretty clear going the straight mmo route is not going to work on console and they have more interest in making the game accessible to casuals.
Watch that before you give us any more grief.
I'm just trying to help, k?
ZOS said there was a possibility for text chat. We are showing our support. LPS4-NA-DC
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The game's central concept of "PvP in PvP areas and be safe in safe areas" needs to stay the way it is.
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✭✭✭✭✭NoNewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.
As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.
If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.
There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.
I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.
I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.
I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.
Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.
So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?
I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences
I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.
I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
Also
Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?
I think pretty much every forum poster now knows your views on not wanting text chat, about 50% of the time I read the forum, if I glance down at the topic titles, I see the text chat and your the last person to post
Still of course you have a right to give your thoughts, I just don't think you fully understand where others are coming from.
I've been a console player since I first brought my megadrive, had most of them, all the PS and all of the Xbox except the latest.
I've also been a PC gamer all this time too.
Different people play in different ways.
I don't join random guilds, never have. In Lotro I was in two guilds since the day it came out one on the EU and one in the US, in ESO I joined a guild I found via a forum when I said what I was looking for in a guild. It's a multi gaming guild hence if I do move on to another mmo, chances are my guild will have a presence also.
I rarely use pug groups either (on the PC), I like to group with friends I've made, in Lotro we have alliances with other guilds and my friend list grew etc after I had played with the same people a few times, got to know them and got to like them.
In ESO on the PC, my guild is a very active and friendly guild. We use Mumble when we are doing dungeons and PvP, although I don't always use it in long PvP sessions as I have no desire to sit there with headphones on for long periods of time.
The rest of the time I am chatting away to numerous guild members in text chat. I get to know these people through text chat and only speaking to them occasionally through mumble would probably have meant I had made far fewer friends.
I have two chat tabs, one with zone enabled for PvP, and one with just my guild enabled for general every day use, so I don't see the spam messages from others trying to sell or whatever as I have no interest in them.
Last night I was on Mumble with 3 guildies doing one of the vet dailies, and I could still easily type a quick hello to guildies who log on, and even answer a question or two in text chat in between fights.
At a rough guess, for every 4 hrs I play on the PC, I have my headphones on and use mumble for about 1 hr. The rest of the time I am using text chat to communicate with just my guild.
I have 2 friends on the PS4, one is my son who doesn't even own one, another is one of my guild mates who has recently got a PS4. Up until ESO, games I played online on the PS4 randomly grouped me with people who never spoke, never had their mikes on (or very few of them did) , for instance Destiny, don't have to talk to a soul there but can still happily PvP all night if I want.
When I game on the PC, I'm in the corner of the room, when I have my headphones on and use mumble, I'm not disturbing the rest of the family.
When I game on the PS4, it uses the main TV, I usually have my wife sitting next to me, son or daughter in the room etc and I don't like using headphones. As many others have said, some of the language etc that gets heard through the TV from others voice chat, well if I repeated it here, the post would get deleted. So as far as Zenimax are concerned, it's not suitable for this forum but perfectly OK for the whole family to hear through the TV.
When I play mmos on the console, I want to be able to join a guild and chat away with them without using a mic. When I play DCUniverse, that has text chat that's easy to use with a controller.
My PS4 gaming is very different to my PC gaming.
There has to be a way for different groups in the guild to be in their own chat rooms when they are running various dungeons etc, yet still see what other guildies are talking about and being able to comment, just like text chat on the PC lets me when I'm in mumble..
I get it,. you like using your headphones, my son when he's in his room on his Xbox has his phones on for hrs at a time, he has numerous long term friends he can group with. But not everyone enjoys doing that and I and many others have little if any desire to use voice while mooching about doing things such as a bit of solo leveling or crafting.
I get your concerns, I hate all the spam on the PC but as I have said, I get zero spam as I now just have guild chat showing most of the time. The odd occasion I need a mat I cant find, I enable other chat to see what people are selling but it's one simple click to disable it again.
I really really really don't understand why you have such a problem with it being introduced on the consoles in a way where like the PC version you can customize whats seen hence wont ever see the spam (and you do seem to have a much much bigger problem with this being introduced than most other players).
I hear concerns that if text chat was introduced, voice chat wouldn't be used, surely if that ended up being true, it only shows what the majority wanted. And I don't see how this would affect you even if that did happen, you can just keep chatting away using voice chat to your friends?
For many (on PS4 anyway) voice already ISN'T being used and we are having ZERO communication as we have voice chat disabled for the reasons many of us have already mentioned. I haven't played the console version for ages now for the sole reason of the lack of text chat. If it had text chat I would have brought the DLC, as it is I will probably uninstall it to get disc space back.
I have loads of addons on the PC but I would happily play the console version without them just for a completely different experience and to soak in more of the lore and story, however lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.
Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.
Real short....I'm not the reason you don't have this feature but ZOS is.
I'm attempting to help everyone understand where to find the information regarding ZOS's decision in development to scrap this feature. There is also a response to this topic on ESO live from much older threads that are now archived from the closed console beta forums.
To me...if anyone wants some form of this feature, it's only logical to fully understand what ZOS' opportunities and options are per what they've shared. As of now they have literally said and wrote that what exists on PC will not come to console but other ideas around pre-text radial chat is where they are willing to look at other ideas. It's why I suggested a compromise to utilize the social menu which is als where radial text chat is offered.
If your goal is to continue trying to convince anyone who votes against or who doesn't fully agree with your own opinions regarding this feature you're missing the point of this thread and also taking the thread off topic. If anyone desires a response from ZOS start where they are willing to listen and not where they've already responded even if you're new to the topic.
Zos changed their minds on issues they said no to before. Why do you think this should be any different?
I have asked you this several times now and I would like to read your response to that question.
It's not what I think and again it's not me arguing this.
In response to your question...ZOS just recently said to everyone after the last ESO live show that they have no new information. (Their stance hasn't changed) per Jessica Folsom's comment
That didnt really answer my question.
Im not asking about what zos has said in the past or recently, I am asking why are you trying to steer me and others away from asking what we want when zos has shown that they change their minds with topics such as this.
I understand they said no. I understand their reasoning as well. I also understand that they have changed their minds on a few things as well. What I dont understand is why you want us to stop asking for what we want and try to settle for a compramise no one is asking for.
As a side note, I apologize if I come off rude, I dont mean too. I am a very direct person and dont mean any offense in any of my statements.
I'm definitely not steering others away from what you want.
I am steering you and anyone towards what ZOS has said they are willing to look into. Unfortunately that's in opposition to what you and others want.
I'm only trying to help as so many were absent and do not watch and/or listen to the live information which is how this company chooses to respond to their customer base.
If you really want to help you have to understand our position. Grouping up is our number one issue. We want a text chat that can reach thousands of people, not just those in earshot or those standing at the undaunted camp or those in our guild. We think the looking for grouptool is broken, exploitable, and rediculously inefficient. We want our text chat to be able to toggle on and off. We want voice chat to stay as is. There are other things we could discuss but this sums it up pretty well.
So, if you want to help us get on board with our ideas. If you don't like our ideas then there is no point in trying to "help" us and you can choose to leave or choose to stay here and continue to derail the thread arguing over garbage. You haven't convinced a single person and your not going to. This isn't debate club anyway. We've used text chat on other games, it works, and that is what we want!
You're sadly making false assumptions about me and also have placed your ideas and opinions as more important than my own or anyone else's. I actually have taken a lot of time and side conversations to understand your points of view.
I alone decided early in 2015 to make, manage, compile, inform and share a thread which was the only complete source for consoles months prior to release with this entire community her and on Xbox any and all possible info on console release. To be quite honest the majority the community found out that text chat wasn't offered prior to console beta because of my efforts. Some of the early pro-text chat box supporters are in my Xbox one guild.
A lot of you guys have no clue of what extent I went to each day for months to keep you guys in the loop. Even in 2014 prompting to lead the charge where finally Matt F specifically addressed my question during the 12 months of delays and silence and then keeping the momentum going which began ZOS interaction on console specific info.
The feature that you're upset about was scrapped sometime during the requirements set forth by Xbox and Sony which unknown to us could therein lie the definitive decision as to why it was removed.
If you go to the Playstation or Redditt site you'll see months prior to release during the 12+ month delay...a ps4 only screenshot was placed and ZOS mods suggested that an arrow on that screenshot was where text chat was to appear and be toggled or what not. Later(in my thread) ZOS mods admit that their info was outdated and they commented and shared things that development had scrapped earlier along in development. This type of stuff happens but I took my personal time to keep anyone at all interested informed.
To say I need to first understand your point of view which entails putting aside my own opinions is extremely selfish and oddly it's exactly what you claim I'm doing to you.
The reality is that I'm showing you windows from occurrences you missed and gates to access that info and first hand to listen to and read topics around those items. ZOS is the company who made decisions and who decides what does and what doesn't appear on the platform of your choice...not me.
I'm simply the messenger and sadly if not for me most of you would have no clue about anything pre release and post.
If you want the feature topic listened to by ZOS, it's ideal to listen to what they want to listen to and discuss along those lines.
Any poll or thread regardless of influence isn't how they go about making huge platform changes. Threads and polls are sometimes how they gauge interest in things they are open to changing. Find that space and develop and organize conversations there. If you hope they'll change their minds start with something vs beating a dead horse.
It works and I'm actually here to help you and. Others do so.
I've been trying for what....2 months nowNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Just Talking to ppl and the consoles have a whole world of options outside of the game. It's pretty simple unless you're new to consoles....PC to console seems just fine as I prefer not having text chat in order to play and not be interrupted or slowed down by typing and trying to read while playing.
This is a quote of yours from the thread titled 'Gaming Company Successes & Failure'. I chose this quote because it firmly displays that you don't want text chat on console. Now that is motive. Posters are going to have a difficult time believing that you're "here to help" when you have motive to push against text chat. You're far from a neutral party. So it's very easy to be drawn toward a conclusion that you just don't want text chat on console. Hopefully that illuminates why people are abrasive toward you saying you're here to help.
I see now...because someone disagrees with you, you and others have a hard time understanding that people can actually disagree but still work towards helping you get what you want or what's possible as an alternative.
I'm not a selfish person...it's why I'm trying to help the thread focus and collaborate for the topic at hand
Calling it a disagreement over simplifies. Frankly you be fine with an alternative, but you clearly do not want text chat. Am I incorrect. If suddenly ZOS added text chat, you would take no issue with it?
Again you and others continue to try and make it about me.
You're derailing the topic.
What i want and or don't want is not at all what this is about. What this is about is what you guys want and what ZOS is willing to consider. Let's discuss options based on what we know.
Why are you the interpreter of what ZOS will listen to? You don't want the discussion to involve you, or your opinion on the subject to be considered. Yet you personally want to oversee and advise on what ZOS will listen to. You cannot see how a conflict of interest would not be questioned?
I'm not the interpreter I just listen to what ZOS said and am sharing with you and others who didn't watch, won't watch it who were not around and don't care to watch and listen to their actual info.
Please go watch it yourself so you're not thinking its me vs you.
In regards to conflict of interest...this doesn't apply here and doesn't mean what you think it does.
Conflict of interest applies when someone involvement offers them personal gain or will not allow them to have sound judgement in a matter or decision. I'm not trying to make any decisions for anyone...just sharing what is and also trying to be a good community member as to offer insight in order to help you all better communicate with ZOS on something your bothered about.
I'm offering assistance in an area I've personally succeeded in specific to a platform I've succeeded in info on.
This is specifically someone offering their personal experience who has had success where others in this thread have not.
What's going on isn't accomplishing what many hope so why fight trying something different that has worked for someone else? The worse that can happen is that you get a response with no change but what's likely to happen is that you get some of what you want.
It's not even doing it my way but instead it's doing ZOS' way.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on 8 September 2015 21:54-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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robkrush✭✭✭✭✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.
As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.
If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.
There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.
I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.
I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.
I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.
Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.
So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?
I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences
I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.
I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
Also
Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?
I think pretty much every forum poster now knows your views on not wanting text chat, about 50% of the time I read the forum, if I glance down at the topic titles, I see the text chat and your the last person to post
Still of course you have a right to give your thoughts, I just don't think you fully understand where others are coming from.
I've been a console player since I first brought my megadrive, had most of them, all the PS and all of the Xbox except the latest.
I've also been a PC gamer all this time too.
Different people play in different ways.
I don't join random guilds, never have. In Lotro I was in two guilds since the day it came out one on the EU and one in the US, in ESO I joined a guild I found via a forum when I said what I was looking for in a guild. It's a multi gaming guild hence if I do move on to another mmo, chances are my guild will have a presence also.
I rarely use pug groups either (on the PC), I like to group with friends I've made, in Lotro we have alliances with other guilds and my friend list grew etc after I had played with the same people a few times, got to know them and got to like them.
In ESO on the PC, my guild is a very active and friendly guild. We use Mumble when we are doing dungeons and PvP, although I don't always use it in long PvP sessions as I have no desire to sit there with headphones on for long periods of time.
The rest of the time I am chatting away to numerous guild members in text chat. I get to know these people through text chat and only speaking to them occasionally through mumble would probably have meant I had made far fewer friends.
I have two chat tabs, one with zone enabled for PvP, and one with just my guild enabled for general every day use, so I don't see the spam messages from others trying to sell or whatever as I have no interest in them.
Last night I was on Mumble with 3 guildies doing one of the vet dailies, and I could still easily type a quick hello to guildies who log on, and even answer a question or two in text chat in between fights.
At a rough guess, for every 4 hrs I play on the PC, I have my headphones on and use mumble for about 1 hr. The rest of the time I am using text chat to communicate with just my guild.
I have 2 friends on the PS4, one is my son who doesn't even own one, another is one of my guild mates who has recently got a PS4. Up until ESO, games I played online on the PS4 randomly grouped me with people who never spoke, never had their mikes on (or very few of them did) , for instance Destiny, don't have to talk to a soul there but can still happily PvP all night if I want.
When I game on the PC, I'm in the corner of the room, when I have my headphones on and use mumble, I'm not disturbing the rest of the family.
When I game on the PS4, it uses the main TV, I usually have my wife sitting next to me, son or daughter in the room etc and I don't like using headphones. As many others have said, some of the language etc that gets heard through the TV from others voice chat, well if I repeated it here, the post would get deleted. So as far as Zenimax are concerned, it's not suitable for this forum but perfectly OK for the whole family to hear through the TV.
When I play mmos on the console, I want to be able to join a guild and chat away with them without using a mic. When I play DCUniverse, that has text chat that's easy to use with a controller.
My PS4 gaming is very different to my PC gaming.
There has to be a way for different groups in the guild to be in their own chat rooms when they are running various dungeons etc, yet still see what other guildies are talking about and being able to comment, just like text chat on the PC lets me when I'm in mumble..
I get it,. you like using your headphones, my son when he's in his room on his Xbox has his phones on for hrs at a time, he has numerous long term friends he can group with. But not everyone enjoys doing that and I and many others have little if any desire to use voice while mooching about doing things such as a bit of solo leveling or crafting.
I get your concerns, I hate all the spam on the PC but as I have said, I get zero spam as I now just have guild chat showing most of the time. The odd occasion I need a mat I cant find, I enable other chat to see what people are selling but it's one simple click to disable it again.
I really really really don't understand why you have such a problem with it being introduced on the consoles in a way where like the PC version you can customize whats seen hence wont ever see the spam (and you do seem to have a much much bigger problem with this being introduced than most other players).
I hear concerns that if text chat was introduced, voice chat wouldn't be used, surely if that ended up being true, it only shows what the majority wanted. And I don't see how this would affect you even if that did happen, you can just keep chatting away using voice chat to your friends?
For many (on PS4 anyway) voice already ISN'T being used and we are having ZERO communication as we have voice chat disabled for the reasons many of us have already mentioned. I haven't played the console version for ages now for the sole reason of the lack of text chat. If it had text chat I would have brought the DLC, as it is I will probably uninstall it to get disc space back.
I have loads of addons on the PC but I would happily play the console version without them just for a completely different experience and to soak in more of the lore and story, however lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.
Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.
Real short....I'm not the reason you don't have this feature but ZOS is.
I'm attempting to help everyone understand where to find the information regarding ZOS's decision in development to scrap this feature. There is also a response to this topic on ESO live from much older threads that are now archived from the closed console beta forums.
To me...if anyone wants some form of this feature, it's only logical to fully understand what ZOS' opportunities and options are per what they've shared. As of now they have literally said and wrote that what exists on PC will not come to console but other ideas around pre-text radial chat is where they are willing to look at other ideas. It's why I suggested a compromise to utilize the social menu which is als where radial text chat is offered.
If your goal is to continue trying to convince anyone who votes against or who doesn't fully agree with your own opinions regarding this feature you're missing the point of this thread and also taking the thread off topic. If anyone desires a response from ZOS start where they are willing to listen and not where they've already responded even if you're new to the topic.
Zos changed their minds on issues they said no to before. Why do you think this should be any different?
I have asked you this several times now and I would like to read your response to that question.
It's not what I think and again it's not me arguing this.
In response to your question...ZOS just recently said to everyone after the last ESO live show that they have no new information. (Their stance hasn't changed) per Jessica Folsom's comment
That didnt really answer my question.
Im not asking about what zos has said in the past or recently, I am asking why are you trying to steer me and others away from asking what we want when zos has shown that they change their minds with topics such as this.
I understand they said no. I understand their reasoning as well. I also understand that they have changed their minds on a few things as well. What I dont understand is why you want us to stop asking for what we want and try to settle for a compramise no one is asking for.
As a side note, I apologize if I come off rude, I dont mean too. I am a very direct person and dont mean any offense in any of my statements.
I'm definitely not steering others away from what you want.
I am steering you and anyone towards what ZOS has said they are willing to look into. Unfortunately that's in opposition to what you and others want.
I'm only trying to help as so many were absent and do not watch and/or listen to the live information which is how this company chooses to respond to their customer base.
If you really want to help you have to understand our position. Grouping up is our number one issue. We want a text chat that can reach thousands of people, not just those in earshot or those standing at the undaunted camp or those in our guild. We think the looking for grouptool is broken, exploitable, and rediculously inefficient. We want our text chat to be able to toggle on and off. We want voice chat to stay as is. There are other things we could discuss but this sums it up pretty well.
So, if you want to help us get on board with our ideas. If you don't like our ideas then there is no point in trying to "help" us and you can choose to leave or choose to stay here and continue to derail the thread arguing over garbage. You haven't convinced a single person and your not going to. This isn't debate club anyway. We've used text chat on other games, it works, and that is what we want!
You're sadly making false assumptions about me and also have placed your ideas and opinions as more important than my own or anyone else's. I actually have taken a lot of time and side conversations to understand your points of view.
I alone decided early in 2015 to make, manage, compile, inform and share a thread which was the only complete source for consoles months prior to release with this entire community her and on Xbox any and all possible info on console release. To be quite honest the majority the community found out that text chat wasn't offered prior to console beta because of my efforts. Some of the early pro-text chat box supporters are in my Xbox one guild.
A lot of you guys have no clue of what extent I went to each day for months to keep you guys in the loop. Even in 2014 prompting to lead the charge where finally Matt F specifically addressed my question during the 12 months of delays and silence and then keeping the momentum going which began ZOS interaction on console specific info.
The feature that you're upset about was scrapped sometime during the requirements set forth by Xbox and Sony which unknown to us could therein lie the definitive decision as to why it was removed.
If you go to the Playstation or Redditt site you'll see months prior to release during the 12+ month delay...a ps4 only screenshot was placed and ZOS mods suggested that an arrow on that screenshot was where text chat was to appear and be toggled or what not. Later(in my thread) ZOS mods admit that their info was outdated and they commented and shared things that development had scrapped earlier along in development. This type of stuff happens but I took my personal time to keep anyone at all interested informed.
To say I need to first understand your point of view which entails putting aside my own opinions is extremely selfish and oddly it's exactly what you claim I'm doing to you.
The reality is that I'm showing you windows from occurrences you missed and gates to access that info and first hand to listen to and read topics around those items. ZOS is the company who made decisions and who decides what does and what doesn't appear on the platform of your choice...not me.
I'm simply the messenger and sadly if not for me most of you would have no clue about anything pre release and post.
If you want the feature topic listened to by ZOS, it's ideal to listen to what they want to listen to and discuss along those lines.
Any poll or thread regardless of influence isn't how they go about making huge platform changes. Threads and polls are sometimes how they gauge interest in things they are open to changing. Find that space and develop and organize conversations there. If you hope they'll change their minds start with something vs beating a dead horse.
It works and I'm actually here to help you and. Others do so.
I've been trying for what....2 months nowNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Just Talking to ppl and the consoles have a whole world of options outside of the game. It's pretty simple unless you're new to consoles....PC to console seems just fine as I prefer not having text chat in order to play and not be interrupted or slowed down by typing and trying to read while playing.
This is a quote of yours from the thread titled 'Gaming Company Successes & Failure'. I chose this quote because it firmly displays that you don't want text chat on console. Now that is motive. Posters are going to have a difficult time believing that you're "here to help" when you have motive to push against text chat. You're far from a neutral party. So it's very easy to be drawn toward a conclusion that you just don't want text chat on console. Hopefully that illuminates why people are abrasive toward you saying you're here to help.
I see now...because someone disagrees with you, you and others have a hard time understanding that people can actually disagree but still work towards helping you get what you want or what's possible as an alternative.
I'm not a selfish person...it's why I'm trying to help the thread focus and collaborate for the topic at hand
Calling it a disagreement over simplifies. Frankly you be fine with an alternative, but you clearly do not want text chat. Am I incorrect. If suddenly ZOS added text chat, you would take no issue with it?
Again you and others continue to try and make it about me.
You're derailing the topic.
What i want and or don't want is not at all what this is about. What this is about is what you guys want and what ZOS is willing to consider. Let's discuss options based on what we know.
Why are you the interpreter of what ZOS will listen to? You don't want the discussion to involve you, or your opinion on the subject to be considered. Yet you personally want to oversee and advise on what ZOS will listen to. You cannot see how a conflict of interest would not be questioned?
I'm not the interpreter I just listen to what ZOS said and am sharing with you and others who didn't watch, won't watch it who were not around and don't care to watch and listen to their actual info.
Please go watch it yourself so you're not thinking its me vs you.
In regards to conflict of interest...this doesn't apply here and doesn't mean what you think it does.
Conflict of interest applies when someone involvement offers them personal gain or will not allow them to have sound judgement in a matter or decision. I'm not trying to make any decisions for anyone...just sharing what is and also trying to be a good community member as to offer insight in order to help you all better communicate with ZOS on something your bothered about.
I'm offering assistance in an area I've personally succeeded in specific to a platform I've succeeded in info on.
This is specifically someone offering their personal experience who has had success where others in this thread have not.
What's going on isn't accomplishing what many hope so why fight trying something different that has worked for someone else? The worse that can happen is that you get a response with no change but what's likely to happen is that you get some of what you want.
It's not even doing it my way but instead it's doing ZOS' way.
On behalf of the entire pro text chat community I would like to formally decline your "offer" for "assistance".PS4-NA-DC
PSN: robkrush
The game's central concept of "PvP in PvP areas and be safe in safe areas" needs to stay the way it is.
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Glorious_One✭✭✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.
As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.
If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.
There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.
I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.
I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.
I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.
Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.
So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?
I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences
I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.
I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
Also
Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?
I think pretty much every forum poster now knows your views on not wanting text chat, about 50% of the time I read the forum, if I glance down at the topic titles, I see the text chat and your the last person to post
Still of course you have a right to give your thoughts, I just don't think you fully understand where others are coming from.
I've been a console player since I first brought my megadrive, had most of them, all the PS and all of the Xbox except the latest.
I've also been a PC gamer all this time too.
Different people play in different ways.
I don't join random guilds, never have. In Lotro I was in two guilds since the day it came out one on the EU and one in the US, in ESO I joined a guild I found via a forum when I said what I was looking for in a guild. It's a multi gaming guild hence if I do move on to another mmo, chances are my guild will have a presence also.
I rarely use pug groups either (on the PC), I like to group with friends I've made, in Lotro we have alliances with other guilds and my friend list grew etc after I had played with the same people a few times, got to know them and got to like them.
In ESO on the PC, my guild is a very active and friendly guild. We use Mumble when we are doing dungeons and PvP, although I don't always use it in long PvP sessions as I have no desire to sit there with headphones on for long periods of time.
The rest of the time I am chatting away to numerous guild members in text chat. I get to know these people through text chat and only speaking to them occasionally through mumble would probably have meant I had made far fewer friends.
I have two chat tabs, one with zone enabled for PvP, and one with just my guild enabled for general every day use, so I don't see the spam messages from others trying to sell or whatever as I have no interest in them.
Last night I was on Mumble with 3 guildies doing one of the vet dailies, and I could still easily type a quick hello to guildies who log on, and even answer a question or two in text chat in between fights.
At a rough guess, for every 4 hrs I play on the PC, I have my headphones on and use mumble for about 1 hr. The rest of the time I am using text chat to communicate with just my guild.
I have 2 friends on the PS4, one is my son who doesn't even own one, another is one of my guild mates who has recently got a PS4. Up until ESO, games I played online on the PS4 randomly grouped me with people who never spoke, never had their mikes on (or very few of them did) , for instance Destiny, don't have to talk to a soul there but can still happily PvP all night if I want.
When I game on the PC, I'm in the corner of the room, when I have my headphones on and use mumble, I'm not disturbing the rest of the family.
When I game on the PS4, it uses the main TV, I usually have my wife sitting next to me, son or daughter in the room etc and I don't like using headphones. As many others have said, some of the language etc that gets heard through the TV from others voice chat, well if I repeated it here, the post would get deleted. So as far as Zenimax are concerned, it's not suitable for this forum but perfectly OK for the whole family to hear through the TV.
When I play mmos on the console, I want to be able to join a guild and chat away with them without using a mic. When I play DCUniverse, that has text chat that's easy to use with a controller.
My PS4 gaming is very different to my PC gaming.
There has to be a way for different groups in the guild to be in their own chat rooms when they are running various dungeons etc, yet still see what other guildies are talking about and being able to comment, just like text chat on the PC lets me when I'm in mumble..
I get it,. you like using your headphones, my son when he's in his room on his Xbox has his phones on for hrs at a time, he has numerous long term friends he can group with. But not everyone enjoys doing that and I and many others have little if any desire to use voice while mooching about doing things such as a bit of solo leveling or crafting.
I get your concerns, I hate all the spam on the PC but as I have said, I get zero spam as I now just have guild chat showing most of the time. The odd occasion I need a mat I cant find, I enable other chat to see what people are selling but it's one simple click to disable it again.
I really really really don't understand why you have such a problem with it being introduced on the consoles in a way where like the PC version you can customize whats seen hence wont ever see the spam (and you do seem to have a much much bigger problem with this being introduced than most other players).
I hear concerns that if text chat was introduced, voice chat wouldn't be used, surely if that ended up being true, it only shows what the majority wanted. And I don't see how this would affect you even if that did happen, you can just keep chatting away using voice chat to your friends?
For many (on PS4 anyway) voice already ISN'T being used and we are having ZERO communication as we have voice chat disabled for the reasons many of us have already mentioned. I haven't played the console version for ages now for the sole reason of the lack of text chat. If it had text chat I would have brought the DLC, as it is I will probably uninstall it to get disc space back.
I have loads of addons on the PC but I would happily play the console version without them just for a completely different experience and to soak in more of the lore and story, however lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.
Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.
Real short....I'm not the reason you don't have this feature but ZOS is.
I'm attempting to help everyone understand where to find the information regarding ZOS's decision in development to scrap this feature. There is also a response to this topic on ESO live from much older threads that are now archived from the closed console beta forums.
To me...if anyone wants some form of this feature, it's only logical to fully understand what ZOS' opportunities and options are per what they've shared. As of now they have literally said and wrote that what exists on PC will not come to console but other ideas around pre-text radial chat is where they are willing to look at other ideas. It's why I suggested a compromise to utilize the social menu which is als where radial text chat is offered.
If your goal is to continue trying to convince anyone who votes against or who doesn't fully agree with your own opinions regarding this feature you're missing the point of this thread and also taking the thread off topic. If anyone desires a response from ZOS start where they are willing to listen and not where they've already responded even if you're new to the topic.
Zos changed their minds on issues they said no to before. Why do you think this should be any different?
I have asked you this several times now and I would like to read your response to that question.
It's not what I think and again it's not me arguing this.
In response to your question...ZOS just recently said to everyone after the last ESO live show that they have no new information. (Their stance hasn't changed) per Jessica Folsom's comment
That didnt really answer my question.
Im not asking about what zos has said in the past or recently, I am asking why are you trying to steer me and others away from asking what we want when zos has shown that they change their minds with topics such as this.
I understand they said no. I understand their reasoning as well. I also understand that they have changed their minds on a few things as well. What I dont understand is why you want us to stop asking for what we want and try to settle for a compramise no one is asking for.
As a side note, I apologize if I come off rude, I dont mean too. I am a very direct person and dont mean any offense in any of my statements.
I'm definitely not steering others away from what you want.
I am steering you and anyone towards what ZOS has said they are willing to look into. Unfortunately that's in opposition to what you and others want.
I'm only trying to help as so many were absent and do not watch and/or listen to the live information which is how this company chooses to respond to their customer base.
If you really want to help you have to understand our position. Grouping up is our number one issue. We want a text chat that can reach thousands of people, not just those in earshot or those standing at the undaunted camp or those in our guild. We think the looking for grouptool is broken, exploitable, and rediculously inefficient. We want our text chat to be able to toggle on and off. We want voice chat to stay as is. There are other things we could discuss but this sums it up pretty well.
So, if you want to help us get on board with our ideas. If you don't like our ideas then there is no point in trying to "help" us and you can choose to leave or choose to stay here and continue to derail the thread arguing over garbage. You haven't convinced a single person and your not going to. This isn't debate club anyway. We've used text chat on other games, it works, and that is what we want!
You're sadly making false assumptions about me and also have placed your ideas and opinions as more important than my own or anyone else's. I actually have taken a lot of time and side conversations to understand your points of view.
I alone decided early in 2015 to make, manage, compile, inform and share a thread which was the only complete source for consoles months prior to release with this entire community her and on Xbox any and all possible info on console release. To be quite honest the majority the community found out that text chat wasn't offered prior to console beta because of my efforts. Some of the early pro-text chat box supporters are in my Xbox one guild.
A lot of you guys have no clue of what extent I went to each day for months to keep you guys in the loop. Even in 2014 prompting to lead the charge where finally Matt F specifically addressed my question during the 12 months of delays and silence and then keeping the momentum going which began ZOS interaction on console specific info.
The feature that you're upset about was scrapped sometime during the requirements set forth by Xbox and Sony which unknown to us could therein lie the definitive decision as to why it was removed.
If you go to the Playstation or Redditt site you'll see months prior to release during the 12+ month delay...a ps4 only screenshot was placed and ZOS mods suggested that an arrow on that screenshot was where text chat was to appear and be toggled or what not. Later(in my thread) ZOS mods admit that their info was outdated and they commented and shared things that development had scrapped earlier along in development. This type of stuff happens but I took my personal time to keep anyone at all interested informed.
To say I need to first understand your point of view which entails putting aside my own opinions is extremely selfish and oddly it's exactly what you claim I'm doing to you.
The reality is that I'm showing you windows from occurrences you missed and gates to access that info and first hand to listen to and read topics around those items. ZOS is the company who made decisions and who decides what does and what doesn't appear on the platform of your choice...not me.
I'm simply the messenger and sadly if not for me most of you would have no clue about anything pre release and post.
If you want the feature topic listened to by ZOS, it's ideal to listen to what they want to listen to and discuss along those lines.
Any poll or thread regardless of influence isn't how they go about making huge platform changes. Threads and polls are sometimes how they gauge interest in things they are open to changing. Find that space and develop and organize conversations there. If you hope they'll change their minds start with something vs beating a dead horse.
It works and I'm actually here to help you and. Others do so.
I've been trying for what....2 months nowNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Just Talking to ppl and the consoles have a whole world of options outside of the game. It's pretty simple unless you're new to consoles....PC to console seems just fine as I prefer not having text chat in order to play and not be interrupted or slowed down by typing and trying to read while playing.
This is a quote of yours from the thread titled 'Gaming Company Successes & Failure'. I chose this quote because it firmly displays that you don't want text chat on console. Now that is motive. Posters are going to have a difficult time believing that you're "here to help" when you have motive to push against text chat. You're far from a neutral party. So it's very easy to be drawn toward a conclusion that you just don't want text chat on console. Hopefully that illuminates why people are abrasive toward you saying you're here to help.
I see now...because someone disagrees with you, you and others have a hard time understanding that people can actually disagree but still work towards helping you get what you want or what's possible as an alternative.
I'm not a selfish person...it's why I'm trying to help the thread focus and collaborate for the topic at hand
Calling it a disagreement over simplifies. Frankly you be fine with an alternative, but you clearly do not want text chat. Am I incorrect. If suddenly ZOS added text chat, you would take no issue with it?
Again you and others continue to try and make it about me.
You're derailing the topic.
What i want and or don't want is not at all what this is about. What this is about is what you guys want and what ZOS is willing to consider. Let's discuss options based on what we know.
Why are you the interpreter of what ZOS will listen to? You don't want the discussion to involve you, or your opinion on the subject to be considered. Yet you personally want to oversee and advise on what ZOS will listen to. You cannot see how a conflict of interest would not be questioned?
I'm not the interpreter I just listen to what ZOS said and am sharing with you and others who didn't watch, won't watch it who were not around and don't care to watch and listen to their actual info.
Please go watch it yourself so you're not thinking its me vs you.
In regards to conflict of interest...this doesn't apply here and doesn't mean what you think it does.
Conflict of interest applies when someone involvement offers them personal gain or will not allow them to have sound judgement in a matter or decision. I'm not trying to make any decisions for anyone...just sharing what is and also trying to be a good community member as to offer insight in order to help you all better communicate with ZOS on something your bothered about.
I'm offering assistance in an area I've personally succeeded in specific to a platform I've succeeded in info on.
This is specifically someone offering their personal experience who has had success where others in this thread have not.
What's going on isn't accomplishing what many hope so why fight trying something different that has worked for someone else? The worse that can happen is that you get a response with no change but what's likely to happen is that you get some of what you want.
It's not even doing it my way but instead it's doing ZOS' way.
These types of post dont help.
If you truly want to help this community, you could support what the majority of people are asking for and stop down playing their votes and voices as if they dont matter.
Even if you dont feel text chat is needed, and claim to be a neutral party, then you should be able to support text chat. Zos has changed their stances on issues before, and they can change their stance on this. There is no valid reason for you not to support the community on this.3 -
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✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.
As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.
If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.
There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.
I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.
I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.
I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.
Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.
So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?
I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences
I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.
I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
Also
Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?
I think pretty much every forum poster now knows your views on not wanting text chat, about 50% of the time I read the forum, if I glance down at the topic titles, I see the text chat and your the last person to post
Still of course you have a right to give your thoughts, I just don't think you fully understand where others are coming from.
I've been a console player since I first brought my megadrive, had most of them, all the PS and all of the Xbox except the latest.
I've also been a PC gamer all this time too.
Different people play in different ways.
I don't join random guilds, never have. In Lotro I was in two guilds since the day it came out one on the EU and one in the US, in ESO I joined a guild I found via a forum when I said what I was looking for in a guild. It's a multi gaming guild hence if I do move on to another mmo, chances are my guild will have a presence also.
I rarely use pug groups either (on the PC), I like to group with friends I've made, in Lotro we have alliances with other guilds and my friend list grew etc after I had played with the same people a few times, got to know them and got to like them.
In ESO on the PC, my guild is a very active and friendly guild. We use Mumble when we are doing dungeons and PvP, although I don't always use it in long PvP sessions as I have no desire to sit there with headphones on for long periods of time.
The rest of the time I am chatting away to numerous guild members in text chat. I get to know these people through text chat and only speaking to them occasionally through mumble would probably have meant I had made far fewer friends.
I have two chat tabs, one with zone enabled for PvP, and one with just my guild enabled for general every day use, so I don't see the spam messages from others trying to sell or whatever as I have no interest in them.
Last night I was on Mumble with 3 guildies doing one of the vet dailies, and I could still easily type a quick hello to guildies who log on, and even answer a question or two in text chat in between fights.
At a rough guess, for every 4 hrs I play on the PC, I have my headphones on and use mumble for about 1 hr. The rest of the time I am using text chat to communicate with just my guild.
I have 2 friends on the PS4, one is my son who doesn't even own one, another is one of my guild mates who has recently got a PS4. Up until ESO, games I played online on the PS4 randomly grouped me with people who never spoke, never had their mikes on (or very few of them did) , for instance Destiny, don't have to talk to a soul there but can still happily PvP all night if I want.
When I game on the PC, I'm in the corner of the room, when I have my headphones on and use mumble, I'm not disturbing the rest of the family.
When I game on the PS4, it uses the main TV, I usually have my wife sitting next to me, son or daughter in the room etc and I don't like using headphones. As many others have said, some of the language etc that gets heard through the TV from others voice chat, well if I repeated it here, the post would get deleted. So as far as Zenimax are concerned, it's not suitable for this forum but perfectly OK for the whole family to hear through the TV.
When I play mmos on the console, I want to be able to join a guild and chat away with them without using a mic. When I play DCUniverse, that has text chat that's easy to use with a controller.
My PS4 gaming is very different to my PC gaming.
There has to be a way for different groups in the guild to be in their own chat rooms when they are running various dungeons etc, yet still see what other guildies are talking about and being able to comment, just like text chat on the PC lets me when I'm in mumble..
I get it,. you like using your headphones, my son when he's in his room on his Xbox has his phones on for hrs at a time, he has numerous long term friends he can group with. But not everyone enjoys doing that and I and many others have little if any desire to use voice while mooching about doing things such as a bit of solo leveling or crafting.
I get your concerns, I hate all the spam on the PC but as I have said, I get zero spam as I now just have guild chat showing most of the time. The odd occasion I need a mat I cant find, I enable other chat to see what people are selling but it's one simple click to disable it again.
I really really really don't understand why you have such a problem with it being introduced on the consoles in a way where like the PC version you can customize whats seen hence wont ever see the spam (and you do seem to have a much much bigger problem with this being introduced than most other players).
I hear concerns that if text chat was introduced, voice chat wouldn't be used, surely if that ended up being true, it only shows what the majority wanted. And I don't see how this would affect you even if that did happen, you can just keep chatting away using voice chat to your friends?
For many (on PS4 anyway) voice already ISN'T being used and we are having ZERO communication as we have voice chat disabled for the reasons many of us have already mentioned. I haven't played the console version for ages now for the sole reason of the lack of text chat. If it had text chat I would have brought the DLC, as it is I will probably uninstall it to get disc space back.
I have loads of addons on the PC but I would happily play the console version without them just for a completely different experience and to soak in more of the lore and story, however lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.
Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.
Real short....I'm not the reason you don't have this feature but ZOS is.
I'm attempting to help everyone understand where to find the information regarding ZOS's decision in development to scrap this feature. There is also a response to this topic on ESO live from much older threads that are now archived from the closed console beta forums.
To me...if anyone wants some form of this feature, it's only logical to fully understand what ZOS' opportunities and options are per what they've shared. As of now they have literally said and wrote that what exists on PC will not come to console but other ideas around pre-text radial chat is where they are willing to look at other ideas. It's why I suggested a compromise to utilize the social menu which is als where radial text chat is offered.
If your goal is to continue trying to convince anyone who votes against or who doesn't fully agree with your own opinions regarding this feature you're missing the point of this thread and also taking the thread off topic. If anyone desires a response from ZOS start where they are willing to listen and not where they've already responded even if you're new to the topic.
Zos changed their minds on issues they said no to before. Why do you think this should be any different?
I have asked you this several times now and I would like to read your response to that question.
It's not what I think and again it's not me arguing this.
In response to your question...ZOS just recently said to everyone after the last ESO live show that they have no new information. (Their stance hasn't changed) per Jessica Folsom's comment
That didnt really answer my question.
Im not asking about what zos has said in the past or recently, I am asking why are you trying to steer me and others away from asking what we want when zos has shown that they change their minds with topics such as this.
I understand they said no. I understand their reasoning as well. I also understand that they have changed their minds on a few things as well. What I dont understand is why you want us to stop asking for what we want and try to settle for a compramise no one is asking for.
As a side note, I apologize if I come off rude, I dont mean too. I am a very direct person and dont mean any offense in any of my statements.
I'm definitely not steering others away from what you want.
I am steering you and anyone towards what ZOS has said they are willing to look into. Unfortunately that's in opposition to what you and others want.
I'm only trying to help as so many were absent and do not watch and/or listen to the live information which is how this company chooses to respond to their customer base.
If you really want to help you have to understand our position. Grouping up is our number one issue. We want a text chat that can reach thousands of people, not just those in earshot or those standing at the undaunted camp or those in our guild. We think the looking for grouptool is broken, exploitable, and rediculously inefficient. We want our text chat to be able to toggle on and off. We want voice chat to stay as is. There are other things we could discuss but this sums it up pretty well.
So, if you want to help us get on board with our ideas. If you don't like our ideas then there is no point in trying to "help" us and you can choose to leave or choose to stay here and continue to derail the thread arguing over garbage. You haven't convinced a single person and your not going to. This isn't debate club anyway. We've used text chat on other games, it works, and that is what we want!
You're sadly making false assumptions about me and also have placed your ideas and opinions as more important than my own or anyone else's. I actually have taken a lot of time and side conversations to understand your points of view.
I alone decided early in 2015 to make, manage, compile, inform and share a thread which was the only complete source for consoles months prior to release with this entire community her and on Xbox any and all possible info on console release. To be quite honest the majority the community found out that text chat wasn't offered prior to console beta because of my efforts. Some of the early pro-text chat box supporters are in my Xbox one guild.
A lot of you guys have no clue of what extent I went to each day for months to keep you guys in the loop. Even in 2014 prompting to lead the charge where finally Matt F specifically addressed my question during the 12 months of delays and silence and then keeping the momentum going which began ZOS interaction on console specific info.
The feature that you're upset about was scrapped sometime during the requirements set forth by Xbox and Sony which unknown to us could therein lie the definitive decision as to why it was removed.
If you go to the Playstation or Redditt site you'll see months prior to release during the 12+ month delay...a ps4 only screenshot was placed and ZOS mods suggested that an arrow on that screenshot was where text chat was to appear and be toggled or what not. Later(in my thread) ZOS mods admit that their info was outdated and they commented and shared things that development had scrapped earlier along in development. This type of stuff happens but I took my personal time to keep anyone at all interested informed.
To say I need to first understand your point of view which entails putting aside my own opinions is extremely selfish and oddly it's exactly what you claim I'm doing to you.
The reality is that I'm showing you windows from occurrences you missed and gates to access that info and first hand to listen to and read topics around those items. ZOS is the company who made decisions and who decides what does and what doesn't appear on the platform of your choice...not me.
I'm simply the messenger and sadly if not for me most of you would have no clue about anything pre release and post.
If you want the feature topic listened to by ZOS, it's ideal to listen to what they want to listen to and discuss along those lines.
Any poll or thread regardless of influence isn't how they go about making huge platform changes. Threads and polls are sometimes how they gauge interest in things they are open to changing. Find that space and develop and organize conversations there. If you hope they'll change their minds start with something vs beating a dead horse.
It works and I'm actually here to help you and. Others do so.
I've been trying for what....2 months nowNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Just Talking to ppl and the consoles have a whole world of options outside of the game. It's pretty simple unless you're new to consoles....PC to console seems just fine as I prefer not having text chat in order to play and not be interrupted or slowed down by typing and trying to read while playing.
This is a quote of yours from the thread titled 'Gaming Company Successes & Failure'. I chose this quote because it firmly displays that you don't want text chat on console. Now that is motive. Posters are going to have a difficult time believing that you're "here to help" when you have motive to push against text chat. You're far from a neutral party. So it's very easy to be drawn toward a conclusion that you just don't want text chat on console. Hopefully that illuminates why people are abrasive toward you saying you're here to help.
I see now...because someone disagrees with you, you and others have a hard time understanding that people can actually disagree but still work towards helping you get what you want or what's possible as an alternative.
I'm not a selfish person...it's why I'm trying to help the thread focus and collaborate for the topic at hand
Calling it a disagreement over simplifies. Frankly you be fine with an alternative, but you clearly do not want text chat. Am I incorrect. If suddenly ZOS added text chat, you would take no issue with it?
Again you and others continue to try and make it about me.
You're derailing the topic.
What i want and or don't want is not at all what this is about. What this is about is what you guys want and what ZOS is willing to consider. Let's discuss options based on what we know.
Why are you the interpreter of what ZOS will listen to? You don't want the discussion to involve you, or your opinion on the subject to be considered. Yet you personally want to oversee and advise on what ZOS will listen to. You cannot see how a conflict of interest would not be questioned?
I'm not the interpreter I just listen to what ZOS said and am sharing with you and others who didn't watch, won't watch it who were not around and don't care to watch and listen to their actual info.
Please go watch it yourself so you're not thinking its me vs you.
In regards to conflict of interest...this doesn't apply here and doesn't mean what you think it does.
Conflict of interest applies when someone involvement offers them personal gain or will not allow them to have sound judgement in a matter or decision. I'm not trying to make any decisions for anyone...just sharing what is and also trying to be a good community member as to offer insight in order to help you all better communicate with ZOS on something your bothered about.
I'm offering assistance in an area I've personally succeeded in specific to a platform I've succeeded in info on.
This is specifically someone offering their personal experience who has had success where others in this thread have not.
What's going on isn't accomplishing what many hope so why fight trying something different that has worked for someone else? The worse that can happen is that you get a response with no change but what's likely to happen is that you get some of what you want.
It's not even doing it my way but instead it's doing ZOS' way.
So don't have a history of opposition to text chat in Neverwinter, then?
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✭✭Yesmrskinskull wrote: »Don't you think its strange that when people complained about vet ranks, zos changed their minds openly and made an announcement . It hasn't happened yet but they have no problem addressing a possible community led change.
You know, speaking of examples related to timelines.... Something else that has been talked about for a long time (actually longer than veteran ranks) is the minimal options available in the native system ui. They didn't really ever say more than 'there's an add-on for that' but guess what they announced recently. I guess it just took moving to a platform where they couldn't just wave it off so dismissively.Edited by Shunravi on 8 September 2015 22:23This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!5 -
Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_sage, the Creative Director, did a Reddit Q&A thing a while back (around June) and said this.
”Is it possible we could have a text chat? Yes."
This obviously isn't breaking news or anything and it dosnt mean its going to happen but my point is that ZOS's decision to remove text chat from consoles is NOT final. It's up to us to show them we want it.
Source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/39gv5r/the_elder_scroll_online_tamriel_unlimited_team?sort=new
So yes NewBlacksmurf
There is a reason to keep talking about this. Even though you think you know exactly what direction ZOS will go on this... Fact is there honestly is nothing to lose by adding text chat. Those that do not want it can simply toggle it off.
ZOS does have a lot to lose if they decide not to add it and that is $ while playing another MMO just last week I asked the group I was in if anyone has ever tried ESO they laughed at me and said" Oh you mean the only MMO game without the MMO aspect?" I asked what exactly they ment by that. They went on to tell me lack of end game content, broken PvP system and no TEXT CHAT and no auction house.
With the public already saying things like this about ESO you would think ZOS would want to save face when they can. Text chat simply is something that ANY MMO needs. I understand ZOS is trying to break the mold here, but man..... It is text chat... A COMMUNICATION TOOL used by MMO players since MMO's were MMO's man! lol
Come on!Edited by Funkopotamus on 8 September 2015 23:32Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington4 -
Glorious_One✭✭✭YesFunkopotamus wrote: »ZOS_sage, the Creative Director, did a Reddit Q&A thing a while back (around June) and said this.
”Is it possible we could have a text chat? Yes."
This obviously isn't breaking news or anything and it dosnt mean its going to happen but my point is that ZOS's decision to remove text chat from consoles is NOT final. It's up to us to show them we want it.
Source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/39gv5r/the_elder_scroll_online_tamriel_unlimited_team?sort=new
So yes NewBlacksmurf
There is a reason to keep talking about this. Even though you think you know exactly what direction ZOS will go on this... Fact is there honestly is nothing to lose by adding text chat. Those that do not want it can simply toggle it off.
ZOS does have a lot to lose if they decide not to add it and that is $ while playing another MMO just last week I asked the group I was in if anyone has ever tried ESO they laughed at me and said" Oh you mean the only MMO game without the MMO aspect?" I asked what exactly they ment by that. They went on to tell me lack of end game content, broken PvP system and no TEXT CHAT and no auction house.
With the public already saying things like this about ESO you would think ZOS would want to save face when they can. Text chat simply is something that ANY MMO needs. I understand ZOS is trying to break the mold here, but man..... It is text chat... A COMMUNICATION TOOL used by MMO players since MMO's were MMO's man! lol
Come on!
They will be having some serious competition not so long from now when Everquest Next gets released. I can say for certain whenever that game drops I will be abandoning eso most likely for good. I already have lost alot of interest as is, because i am essentially playing a single player game.
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Austacker✭✭✭✭YesGlorious_One wrote: »They will be having some serious competition not so long from now when Everquest Next gets released. I can say for certain whenever that game drops I will be abandoning eso most likely for good. I already have lost alot of interest as is, because i am essentially playing a single player game.
To be blunt, this really is the only reason why ESO is strong on Xbox right now.
At least PS4 players has FF A Realm Reborn as a viable AAA MMO alternative.
On Xbox right now all we have is the free-to-play Neverwinter and ironically, even though it's a free to play game it actually has a working LFG tool, text chat, unified AH, seasonal events and a bunch of other simple quality of life MMO staples that ESO never included.
I have no doubt that once something 'better' comes along in the MMO space on Xbox, ESO will be dropped like a rock.
It's arrogant in the extreme on it's design mechanics and leaving out so many core functions the genre considers a baseline standard in MMOs today.Edited by Austacker on 8 September 2015 23:553 -
Mighty_oakk✭✭✭✭✭YesFunkopotamus wrote: »ZOS_sage, the Creative Director, did a Reddit Q&A thing a while back (around June) and said this.
”Is it possible we could have a text chat? Yes."
This obviously isn't breaking news or anything and it dosnt mean its going to happen but my point is that ZOS's decision to remove text chat from consoles is NOT final. It's up to us to show them we want it.
Source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/39gv5r/the_elder_scroll_online_tamriel_unlimited_team?sort=new
So yes NewBlacksmurf
There is a reason to keep talking about this. Even though you think you know exactly what direction ZOS will go on this... Fact is there honestly is nothing to lose by adding text chat. Those that do not want it can simply toggle it off.
ZOS does have a lot to lose if they decide not to add it and that is $ while playing another MMO just last week I asked the group I was in if anyone has ever tried ESO they laughed at me and said" Oh you mean the only MMO game without the MMO aspect?" I asked what exactly they ment by that. They went on to tell me lack of end game content, broken PvP system and no TEXT CHAT and no auction house.
With the public already saying things like this about ESO you would think ZOS would want to save face when they can. Text chat simply is something that ANY MMO needs. I understand ZOS is trying to break the mold here, but man..... It is text chat... A COMMUNICATION TOOL used by MMO players since MMO's were MMO's man! lol
Come on!
If the game wasn't b2p it would probably be implemented. In a small b2p game you aren't going to see many changes that don't directly generate revenue. I really doubt alot of the stuff zos has promised will ever see the light of day ie. housing, removing VR etc. Nevermind stuff they haven't promised
Console b2p has a major issue that it goes free2p quickly since used game sales overtake new game sales quickly. Once it goes free2p all hope is lost.
You can already buy eso used on ps4 for $30
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Glorious_One✭✭✭YesGlorious_One wrote: »They will be having some serious competition not so long from now when Everquest Next gets released. I can say for certain whenever that game drops I will be abandoning eso most likely for good. I already have lost alot of interest as is, because i am essentially playing a single player game.
To be blunt, this really is the only reason why ESO is strong on Xbox right now.
At least PS4 players has FF A Realm Reborn as a viable AAA MMO alternative.
On Xbox right now all we have is the free-to-play Neverwinter and ironically, even though it's a free to play game it actually has a working LFG tool, text chat, unified AH, seasonal events and a bunch of other simple quality of life MMO staples that ESO never included.
I have no doubt that once something 'better' comes along in the MMO space on Xbox, ESO will be dropped like a rock.
It's arrogant in the extreme on it's design mechanics and leaving out so many core functions the genre considers a baseline standard in MMOs today.
I agree completely, and to be honest if this game did not have "Elder Scrolls" in the tittle, I would not have even bothered with it.
Hopefully zos gets their act together soon because I would love to see this game thrive but the lack of such basic features makes me question their judgement overall.2 -
Isbilen✭✭✭✭✭YesThe people who voted No are obviously just joking with you guys. I mean, surely no one can oppose an optional to use text chat? It's not like it's text or voice chat, but text in addition to voice chat.Edited by Isbilen on 9 September 2015 00:023 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoGlorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.
As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.
If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.
There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.
I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.
I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.
I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.
Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.
So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?
I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences
I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.
I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
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Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?
I think pretty much every forum poster now knows your views on not wanting text chat, about 50% of the time I read the forum, if I glance down at the topic titles, I see the text chat and your the last person to post
Still of course you have a right to give your thoughts, I just don't think you fully understand where others are coming from.
I've been a console player since I first brought my megadrive, had most of them, all the PS and all of the Xbox except the latest.
I've also been a PC gamer all this time too.
Different people play in different ways.
I don't join random guilds, never have. In Lotro I was in two guilds since the day it came out one on the EU and one in the US, in ESO I joined a guild I found via a forum when I said what I was looking for in a guild. It's a multi gaming guild hence if I do move on to another mmo, chances are my guild will have a presence also.
I rarely use pug groups either (on the PC), I like to group with friends I've made, in Lotro we have alliances with other guilds and my friend list grew etc after I had played with the same people a few times, got to know them and got to like them.
In ESO on the PC, my guild is a very active and friendly guild. We use Mumble when we are doing dungeons and PvP, although I don't always use it in long PvP sessions as I have no desire to sit there with headphones on for long periods of time.
The rest of the time I am chatting away to numerous guild members in text chat. I get to know these people through text chat and only speaking to them occasionally through mumble would probably have meant I had made far fewer friends.
I have two chat tabs, one with zone enabled for PvP, and one with just my guild enabled for general every day use, so I don't see the spam messages from others trying to sell or whatever as I have no interest in them.
Last night I was on Mumble with 3 guildies doing one of the vet dailies, and I could still easily type a quick hello to guildies who log on, and even answer a question or two in text chat in between fights.
At a rough guess, for every 4 hrs I play on the PC, I have my headphones on and use mumble for about 1 hr. The rest of the time I am using text chat to communicate with just my guild.
I have 2 friends on the PS4, one is my son who doesn't even own one, another is one of my guild mates who has recently got a PS4. Up until ESO, games I played online on the PS4 randomly grouped me with people who never spoke, never had their mikes on (or very few of them did) , for instance Destiny, don't have to talk to a soul there but can still happily PvP all night if I want.
When I game on the PC, I'm in the corner of the room, when I have my headphones on and use mumble, I'm not disturbing the rest of the family.
When I game on the PS4, it uses the main TV, I usually have my wife sitting next to me, son or daughter in the room etc and I don't like using headphones. As many others have said, some of the language etc that gets heard through the TV from others voice chat, well if I repeated it here, the post would get deleted. So as far as Zenimax are concerned, it's not suitable for this forum but perfectly OK for the whole family to hear through the TV.
When I play mmos on the console, I want to be able to join a guild and chat away with them without using a mic. When I play DCUniverse, that has text chat that's easy to use with a controller.
My PS4 gaming is very different to my PC gaming.
There has to be a way for different groups in the guild to be in their own chat rooms when they are running various dungeons etc, yet still see what other guildies are talking about and being able to comment, just like text chat on the PC lets me when I'm in mumble..
I get it,. you like using your headphones, my son when he's in his room on his Xbox has his phones on for hrs at a time, he has numerous long term friends he can group with. But not everyone enjoys doing that and I and many others have little if any desire to use voice while mooching about doing things such as a bit of solo leveling or crafting.
I get your concerns, I hate all the spam on the PC but as I have said, I get zero spam as I now just have guild chat showing most of the time. The odd occasion I need a mat I cant find, I enable other chat to see what people are selling but it's one simple click to disable it again.
I really really really don't understand why you have such a problem with it being introduced on the consoles in a way where like the PC version you can customize whats seen hence wont ever see the spam (and you do seem to have a much much bigger problem with this being introduced than most other players).
I hear concerns that if text chat was introduced, voice chat wouldn't be used, surely if that ended up being true, it only shows what the majority wanted. And I don't see how this would affect you even if that did happen, you can just keep chatting away using voice chat to your friends?
For many (on PS4 anyway) voice already ISN'T being used and we are having ZERO communication as we have voice chat disabled for the reasons many of us have already mentioned. I haven't played the console version for ages now for the sole reason of the lack of text chat. If it had text chat I would have brought the DLC, as it is I will probably uninstall it to get disc space back.
I have loads of addons on the PC but I would happily play the console version without them just for a completely different experience and to soak in more of the lore and story, however lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.
Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.
Real short....I'm not the reason you don't have this feature but ZOS is.
I'm attempting to help everyone understand where to find the information regarding ZOS's decision in development to scrap this feature. There is also a response to this topic on ESO live from much older threads that are now archived from the closed console beta forums.
To me...if anyone wants some form of this feature, it's only logical to fully understand what ZOS' opportunities and options are per what they've shared. As of now they have literally said and wrote that what exists on PC will not come to console but other ideas around pre-text radial chat is where they are willing to look at other ideas. It's why I suggested a compromise to utilize the social menu which is als where radial text chat is offered.
If your goal is to continue trying to convince anyone who votes against or who doesn't fully agree with your own opinions regarding this feature you're missing the point of this thread and also taking the thread off topic. If anyone desires a response from ZOS start where they are willing to listen and not where they've already responded even if you're new to the topic.
Zos changed their minds on issues they said no to before. Why do you think this should be any different?
I have asked you this several times now and I would like to read your response to that question.
It's not what I think and again it's not me arguing this.
In response to your question...ZOS just recently said to everyone after the last ESO live show that they have no new information. (Their stance hasn't changed) per Jessica Folsom's comment
That didnt really answer my question.
Im not asking about what zos has said in the past or recently, I am asking why are you trying to steer me and others away from asking what we want when zos has shown that they change their minds with topics such as this.
I understand they said no. I understand their reasoning as well. I also understand that they have changed their minds on a few things as well. What I dont understand is why you want us to stop asking for what we want and try to settle for a compramise no one is asking for.
As a side note, I apologize if I come off rude, I dont mean too. I am a very direct person and dont mean any offense in any of my statements.
I'm definitely not steering others away from what you want.
I am steering you and anyone towards what ZOS has said they are willing to look into. Unfortunately that's in opposition to what you and others want.
I'm only trying to help as so many were absent and do not watch and/or listen to the live information which is how this company chooses to respond to their customer base.
If you really want to help you have to understand our position. Grouping up is our number one issue. We want a text chat that can reach thousands of people, not just those in earshot or those standing at the undaunted camp or those in our guild. We think the looking for grouptool is broken, exploitable, and rediculously inefficient. We want our text chat to be able to toggle on and off. We want voice chat to stay as is. There are other things we could discuss but this sums it up pretty well.
So, if you want to help us get on board with our ideas. If you don't like our ideas then there is no point in trying to "help" us and you can choose to leave or choose to stay here and continue to derail the thread arguing over garbage. You haven't convinced a single person and your not going to. This isn't debate club anyway. We've used text chat on other games, it works, and that is what we want!
You're sadly making false assumptions about me and also have placed your ideas and opinions as more important than my own or anyone else's. I actually have taken a lot of time and side conversations to understand your points of view.
I alone decided early in 2015 to make, manage, compile, inform and share a thread which was the only complete source for consoles months prior to release with this entire community her and on Xbox any and all possible info on console release. To be quite honest the majority the community found out that text chat wasn't offered prior to console beta because of my efforts. Some of the early pro-text chat box supporters are in my Xbox one guild.
A lot of you guys have no clue of what extent I went to each day for months to keep you guys in the loop. Even in 2014 prompting to lead the charge where finally Matt F specifically addressed my question during the 12 months of delays and silence and then keeping the momentum going which began ZOS interaction on console specific info.
The feature that you're upset about was scrapped sometime during the requirements set forth by Xbox and Sony which unknown to us could therein lie the definitive decision as to why it was removed.
If you go to the Playstation or Redditt site you'll see months prior to release during the 12+ month delay...a ps4 only screenshot was placed and ZOS mods suggested that an arrow on that screenshot was where text chat was to appear and be toggled or what not. Later(in my thread) ZOS mods admit that their info was outdated and they commented and shared things that development had scrapped earlier along in development. This type of stuff happens but I took my personal time to keep anyone at all interested informed.
To say I need to first understand your point of view which entails putting aside my own opinions is extremely selfish and oddly it's exactly what you claim I'm doing to you.
The reality is that I'm showing you windows from occurrences you missed and gates to access that info and first hand to listen to and read topics around those items. ZOS is the company who made decisions and who decides what does and what doesn't appear on the platform of your choice...not me.
I'm simply the messenger and sadly if not for me most of you would have no clue about anything pre release and post.
If you want the feature topic listened to by ZOS, it's ideal to listen to what they want to listen to and discuss along those lines.
Any poll or thread regardless of influence isn't how they go about making huge platform changes. Threads and polls are sometimes how they gauge interest in things they are open to changing. Find that space and develop and organize conversations there. If you hope they'll change their minds start with something vs beating a dead horse.
It works and I'm actually here to help you and. Others do so.
I've been trying for what....2 months nowNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Just Talking to ppl and the consoles have a whole world of options outside of the game. It's pretty simple unless you're new to consoles....PC to console seems just fine as I prefer not having text chat in order to play and not be interrupted or slowed down by typing and trying to read while playing.
This is a quote of yours from the thread titled 'Gaming Company Successes & Failure'. I chose this quote because it firmly displays that you don't want text chat on console. Now that is motive. Posters are going to have a difficult time believing that you're "here to help" when you have motive to push against text chat. You're far from a neutral party. So it's very easy to be drawn toward a conclusion that you just don't want text chat on console. Hopefully that illuminates why people are abrasive toward you saying you're here to help.
I see now...because someone disagrees with you, you and others have a hard time understanding that people can actually disagree but still work towards helping you get what you want or what's possible as an alternative.
I'm not a selfish person...it's why I'm trying to help the thread focus and collaborate for the topic at hand
Calling it a disagreement over simplifies. Frankly you be fine with an alternative, but you clearly do not want text chat. Am I incorrect. If suddenly ZOS added text chat, you would take no issue with it?
Again you and others continue to try and make it about me.
You're derailing the topic.
What i want and or don't want is not at all what this is about. What this is about is what you guys want and what ZOS is willing to consider. Let's discuss options based on what we know.
Why are you the interpreter of what ZOS will listen to? You don't want the discussion to involve you, or your opinion on the subject to be considered. Yet you personally want to oversee and advise on what ZOS will listen to. You cannot see how a conflict of interest would not be questioned?
I'm not the interpreter I just listen to what ZOS said and am sharing with you and others who didn't watch, won't watch it who were not around and don't care to watch and listen to their actual info.
Please go watch it yourself so you're not thinking its me vs you.
In regards to conflict of interest...this doesn't apply here and doesn't mean what you think it does.
Conflict of interest applies when someone involvement offers them personal gain or will not allow them to have sound judgement in a matter or decision. I'm not trying to make any decisions for anyone...just sharing what is and also trying to be a good community member as to offer insight in order to help you all better communicate with ZOS on something your bothered about.
I'm offering assistance in an area I've personally succeeded in specific to a platform I've succeeded in info on.
This is specifically someone offering their personal experience who has had success where others in this thread have not.
What's going on isn't accomplishing what many hope so why fight trying something different that has worked for someone else? The worse that can happen is that you get a response with no change but what's likely to happen is that you get some of what you want.
It's not even doing it my way but instead it's doing ZOS' way.
These types of post dont help.
If you truly want to help this community, you could support what the majority of people are asking for and stop down playing their votes and voices as if they dont matter.
Even if you dont feel text chat is needed, and claim to be a neutral party, then you should be able to support text chat. Zos has changed their stances on issues before, and they can change their stance on this. There is no valid reason for you not to support the community on this.
First....your opinion of my comment...you disagree or misunderstand the intent. No issue there.
I do have an issue with your suggestion that anyone should abandon their opinion in order to work with a forum poll which hardly represents any majority. It's even a very small portion of the entire forum community who've even participated.
Some polls have almost 10,000 votes.
I'm not claiming to be neutral in anyway but I am pointing out that my opinion has nothing to do with this feature happening.
I am offering and willing to participate in discussing opportunities with your ideas, my ideas and others ideas so have a happy option for everyone.
If I were to suggest to you....hey listen, abandon your opinion and work with me because I side with ZOS that would be crazy and you might comment a bit aggressively. What I find to be reasonable is that we all discuss within what ZOS is willing to listen to in efforts to discuss realistic options for all. That's what the forums are here for.
Idea...discussion of the idea from many different sides....ending up with or coming up with suggestions for all...discussing and then asking or proposing the company to give feedback on the conclusion. That's how we all win.
If you get what you want but others are negatively impacted then the suggestions some are making such as XYZ ppl and #'s of ppl will leave if this isn't added....it also works the other way too.
What's the issue with anyone working together? I know it's a forum and it's the internet but hopefully many participants can see that this is a heated topic so certain participants are going to share and respond. If we get on topic vs discussing off topic things we get somewhere....
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Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.
As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.
If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.
There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.
I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.
I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.
I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.
Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.
So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?
I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences
I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.
I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
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Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?
I think pretty much every forum poster now knows your views on not wanting text chat, about 50% of the time I read the forum, if I glance down at the topic titles, I see the text chat and your the last person to post
Still of course you have a right to give your thoughts, I just don't think you fully understand where others are coming from.
I've been a console player since I first brought my megadrive, had most of them, all the PS and all of the Xbox except the latest.
I've also been a PC gamer all this time too.
Different people play in different ways.
I don't join random guilds, never have. In Lotro I was in two guilds since the day it came out one on the EU and one in the US, in ESO I joined a guild I found via a forum when I said what I was looking for in a guild. It's a multi gaming guild hence if I do move on to another mmo, chances are my guild will have a presence also.
I rarely use pug groups either (on the PC), I like to group with friends I've made, in Lotro we have alliances with other guilds and my friend list grew etc after I had played with the same people a few times, got to know them and got to like them.
In ESO on the PC, my guild is a very active and friendly guild. We use Mumble when we are doing dungeons and PvP, although I don't always use it in long PvP sessions as I have no desire to sit there with headphones on for long periods of time.
The rest of the time I am chatting away to numerous guild members in text chat. I get to know these people through text chat and only speaking to them occasionally through mumble would probably have meant I had made far fewer friends.
I have two chat tabs, one with zone enabled for PvP, and one with just my guild enabled for general every day use, so I don't see the spam messages from others trying to sell or whatever as I have no interest in them.
Last night I was on Mumble with 3 guildies doing one of the vet dailies, and I could still easily type a quick hello to guildies who log on, and even answer a question or two in text chat in between fights.
At a rough guess, for every 4 hrs I play on the PC, I have my headphones on and use mumble for about 1 hr. The rest of the time I am using text chat to communicate with just my guild.
I have 2 friends on the PS4, one is my son who doesn't even own one, another is one of my guild mates who has recently got a PS4. Up until ESO, games I played online on the PS4 randomly grouped me with people who never spoke, never had their mikes on (or very few of them did) , for instance Destiny, don't have to talk to a soul there but can still happily PvP all night if I want.
When I game on the PC, I'm in the corner of the room, when I have my headphones on and use mumble, I'm not disturbing the rest of the family.
When I game on the PS4, it uses the main TV, I usually have my wife sitting next to me, son or daughter in the room etc and I don't like using headphones. As many others have said, some of the language etc that gets heard through the TV from others voice chat, well if I repeated it here, the post would get deleted. So as far as Zenimax are concerned, it's not suitable for this forum but perfectly OK for the whole family to hear through the TV.
When I play mmos on the console, I want to be able to join a guild and chat away with them without using a mic. When I play DCUniverse, that has text chat that's easy to use with a controller.
My PS4 gaming is very different to my PC gaming.
There has to be a way for different groups in the guild to be in their own chat rooms when they are running various dungeons etc, yet still see what other guildies are talking about and being able to comment, just like text chat on the PC lets me when I'm in mumble..
I get it,. you like using your headphones, my son when he's in his room on his Xbox has his phones on for hrs at a time, he has numerous long term friends he can group with. But not everyone enjoys doing that and I and many others have little if any desire to use voice while mooching about doing things such as a bit of solo leveling or crafting.
I get your concerns, I hate all the spam on the PC but as I have said, I get zero spam as I now just have guild chat showing most of the time. The odd occasion I need a mat I cant find, I enable other chat to see what people are selling but it's one simple click to disable it again.
I really really really don't understand why you have such a problem with it being introduced on the consoles in a way where like the PC version you can customize whats seen hence wont ever see the spam (and you do seem to have a much much bigger problem with this being introduced than most other players).
I hear concerns that if text chat was introduced, voice chat wouldn't be used, surely if that ended up being true, it only shows what the majority wanted. And I don't see how this would affect you even if that did happen, you can just keep chatting away using voice chat to your friends?
For many (on PS4 anyway) voice already ISN'T being used and we are having ZERO communication as we have voice chat disabled for the reasons many of us have already mentioned. I haven't played the console version for ages now for the sole reason of the lack of text chat. If it had text chat I would have brought the DLC, as it is I will probably uninstall it to get disc space back.
I have loads of addons on the PC but I would happily play the console version without them just for a completely different experience and to soak in more of the lore and story, however lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.
Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.
Real short....I'm not the reason you don't have this feature but ZOS is.
I'm attempting to help everyone understand where to find the information regarding ZOS's decision in development to scrap this feature. There is also a response to this topic on ESO live from much older threads that are now archived from the closed console beta forums.
To me...if anyone wants some form of this feature, it's only logical to fully understand what ZOS' opportunities and options are per what they've shared. As of now they have literally said and wrote that what exists on PC will not come to console but other ideas around pre-text radial chat is where they are willing to look at other ideas. It's why I suggested a compromise to utilize the social menu which is als where radial text chat is offered.
If your goal is to continue trying to convince anyone who votes against or who doesn't fully agree with your own opinions regarding this feature you're missing the point of this thread and also taking the thread off topic. If anyone desires a response from ZOS start where they are willing to listen and not where they've already responded even if you're new to the topic.
Zos changed their minds on issues they said no to before. Why do you think this should be any different?
I have asked you this several times now and I would like to read your response to that question.
It's not what I think and again it's not me arguing this.
In response to your question...ZOS just recently said to everyone after the last ESO live show that they have no new information. (Their stance hasn't changed) per Jessica Folsom's comment
That didnt really answer my question.
Im not asking about what zos has said in the past or recently, I am asking why are you trying to steer me and others away from asking what we want when zos has shown that they change their minds with topics such as this.
I understand they said no. I understand their reasoning as well. I also understand that they have changed their minds on a few things as well. What I dont understand is why you want us to stop asking for what we want and try to settle for a compramise no one is asking for.
As a side note, I apologize if I come off rude, I dont mean too. I am a very direct person and dont mean any offense in any of my statements.
I'm definitely not steering others away from what you want.
I am steering you and anyone towards what ZOS has said they are willing to look into. Unfortunately that's in opposition to what you and others want.
I'm only trying to help as so many were absent and do not watch and/or listen to the live information which is how this company chooses to respond to their customer base.
If you really want to help you have to understand our position. Grouping up is our number one issue. We want a text chat that can reach thousands of people, not just those in earshot or those standing at the undaunted camp or those in our guild. We think the looking for grouptool is broken, exploitable, and rediculously inefficient. We want our text chat to be able to toggle on and off. We want voice chat to stay as is. There are other things we could discuss but this sums it up pretty well.
So, if you want to help us get on board with our ideas. If you don't like our ideas then there is no point in trying to "help" us and you can choose to leave or choose to stay here and continue to derail the thread arguing over garbage. You haven't convinced a single person and your not going to. This isn't debate club anyway. We've used text chat on other games, it works, and that is what we want!
You're sadly making false assumptions about me and also have placed your ideas and opinions as more important than my own or anyone else's. I actually have taken a lot of time and side conversations to understand your points of view.
I alone decided early in 2015 to make, manage, compile, inform and share a thread which was the only complete source for consoles months prior to release with this entire community her and on Xbox any and all possible info on console release. To be quite honest the majority the community found out that text chat wasn't offered prior to console beta because of my efforts. Some of the early pro-text chat box supporters are in my Xbox one guild.
A lot of you guys have no clue of what extent I went to each day for months to keep you guys in the loop. Even in 2014 prompting to lead the charge where finally Matt F specifically addressed my question during the 12 months of delays and silence and then keeping the momentum going which began ZOS interaction on console specific info.
The feature that you're upset about was scrapped sometime during the requirements set forth by Xbox and Sony which unknown to us could therein lie the definitive decision as to why it was removed.
If you go to the Playstation or Redditt site you'll see months prior to release during the 12+ month delay...a ps4 only screenshot was placed and ZOS mods suggested that an arrow on that screenshot was where text chat was to appear and be toggled or what not. Later(in my thread) ZOS mods admit that their info was outdated and they commented and shared things that development had scrapped earlier along in development. This type of stuff happens but I took my personal time to keep anyone at all interested informed.
To say I need to first understand your point of view which entails putting aside my own opinions is extremely selfish and oddly it's exactly what you claim I'm doing to you.
The reality is that I'm showing you windows from occurrences you missed and gates to access that info and first hand to listen to and read topics around those items. ZOS is the company who made decisions and who decides what does and what doesn't appear on the platform of your choice...not me.
I'm simply the messenger and sadly if not for me most of you would have no clue about anything pre release and post.
If you want the feature topic listened to by ZOS, it's ideal to listen to what they want to listen to and discuss along those lines.
Any poll or thread regardless of influence isn't how they go about making huge platform changes. Threads and polls are sometimes how they gauge interest in things they are open to changing. Find that space and develop and organize conversations there. If you hope they'll change their minds start with something vs beating a dead horse.
It works and I'm actually here to help you and. Others do so.
I've been trying for what....2 months nowNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Just Talking to ppl and the consoles have a whole world of options outside of the game. It's pretty simple unless you're new to consoles....PC to console seems just fine as I prefer not having text chat in order to play and not be interrupted or slowed down by typing and trying to read while playing.
This is a quote of yours from the thread titled 'Gaming Company Successes & Failure'. I chose this quote because it firmly displays that you don't want text chat on console. Now that is motive. Posters are going to have a difficult time believing that you're "here to help" when you have motive to push against text chat. You're far from a neutral party. So it's very easy to be drawn toward a conclusion that you just don't want text chat on console. Hopefully that illuminates why people are abrasive toward you saying you're here to help.
I see now...because someone disagrees with you, you and others have a hard time understanding that people can actually disagree but still work towards helping you get what you want or what's possible as an alternative.
I'm not a selfish person...it's why I'm trying to help the thread focus and collaborate for the topic at hand
Calling it a disagreement over simplifies. Frankly you be fine with an alternative, but you clearly do not want text chat. Am I incorrect. If suddenly ZOS added text chat, you would take no issue with it?
Again you and others continue to try and make it about me.
You're derailing the topic.
What i want and or don't want is not at all what this is about. What this is about is what you guys want and what ZOS is willing to consider. Let's discuss options based on what we know.
Why are you the interpreter of what ZOS will listen to? You don't want the discussion to involve you, or your opinion on the subject to be considered. Yet you personally want to oversee and advise on what ZOS will listen to. You cannot see how a conflict of interest would not be questioned?
I'm not the interpreter I just listen to what ZOS said and am sharing with you and others who didn't watch, won't watch it who were not around and don't care to watch and listen to their actual info.
Please go watch it yourself so you're not thinking its me vs you.
In regards to conflict of interest...this doesn't apply here and doesn't mean what you think it does.
Conflict of interest applies when someone involvement offers them personal gain or will not allow them to have sound judgement in a matter or decision. I'm not trying to make any decisions for anyone...just sharing what is and also trying to be a good community member as to offer insight in order to help you all better communicate with ZOS on something your bothered about.
I'm offering assistance in an area I've personally succeeded in specific to a platform I've succeeded in info on.
This is specifically someone offering their personal experience who has had success where others in this thread have not.
What's going on isn't accomplishing what many hope so why fight trying something different that has worked for someone else? The worse that can happen is that you get a response with no change but what's likely to happen is that you get some of what you want.
It's not even doing it my way but instead it's doing ZOS' way.
These types of post dont help.
If you truly want to help this community, you could support what the majority of people are asking for and stop down playing their votes and voices as if they dont matter.
Even if you dont feel text chat is needed, and claim to be a neutral party, then you should be able to support text chat. Zos has changed their stances on issues before, and they can change their stance on this. There is no valid reason for you not to support the community on this.
First....your opinion of my comment...you disagree or misunderstand the intent. No issue there.
I do have an issue with your suggestion that anyone should abandon their opinion in order to work with a forum poll which hardly represents any majority. It's even a very small portion of the entire forum community who've even participated.
Some polls have almost 10,000 votes.
I'm not claiming to be neutral in anyway but I am pointing out that my opinion has nothing to do with this feature happening.
I am offering and willing to participate in discussing opportunities with your ideas, my ideas and others ideas so have a happy option for everyone.
If I were to suggest to you....hey listen, abandon your opinion and work with me because I side with ZOS that would be crazy and you might comment a bit aggressively. What I find to be reasonable is that we all discuss within what ZOS is willing to listen to in efforts to discuss realistic options for all. That's what the forums are here for.
Idea...discussion of the idea from many different sides....ending up with or coming up with suggestions for all...discussing and then asking or proposing the company to give feedback on the conclusion. That's how we all win.
If you get what you want but others are negatively impacted then the suggestions some are making such as XYZ ppl and #'s of ppl will leave if this isn't added....it also works the other way too.
What's the issue with anyone working together? I know it's a forum and it's the internet but hopefully many participants can see that this is a heated topic so certain participants are going to share and respond. If we get on topic vs discussing off topic things we get somewhere....
Make sense?
Thing is NBS:
No one will be "Negatively Impacted" over adding text chat.... They can simply toggle it on/off just like any other MMO. How is letting people who are Deaf enjoy this game more going to impact anyone negatively? How is letting people find groups easier going to "Negatively Impact" anyone.. How is letting people find a way to grow the economy of this game going to "Negatively Impact" anyone?
Bottom line... You are defending one of the worst decisions in MMO gaming history! That is your right to do so, but just so you know that it is what it is lol.
EDIT: I would just like to ask exactly. "WHY" anyone would NOT want this to be added.. I mean what is the reasoning here? The only reason I can think of is if I were one of the people that owned 5 guild merchants and this would "Negatively Impact" my monopoly over the game.... Other than that there honestly is no reason for anyone to vote against this.. Am I missing something here?
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✭✭✭✭✭NoFunkopotamus wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.
As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.
If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.
There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.
I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.
I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.
I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.
Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.
So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?
I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences
I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.
I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
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Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?
I think pretty much every forum poster now knows your views on not wanting text chat, about 50% of the time I read the forum, if I glance down at the topic titles, I see the text chat and your the last person to post
Still of course you have a right to give your thoughts, I just don't think you fully understand where others are coming from.
I've been a console player since I first brought my megadrive, had most of them, all the PS and all of the Xbox except the latest.
I've also been a PC gamer all this time too.
Different people play in different ways.
I don't join random guilds, never have. In Lotro I was in two guilds since the day it came out one on the EU and one in the US, in ESO I joined a guild I found via a forum when I said what I was looking for in a guild. It's a multi gaming guild hence if I do move on to another mmo, chances are my guild will have a presence also.
I rarely use pug groups either (on the PC), I like to group with friends I've made, in Lotro we have alliances with other guilds and my friend list grew etc after I had played with the same people a few times, got to know them and got to like them.
In ESO on the PC, my guild is a very active and friendly guild. We use Mumble when we are doing dungeons and PvP, although I don't always use it in long PvP sessions as I have no desire to sit there with headphones on for long periods of time.
The rest of the time I am chatting away to numerous guild members in text chat. I get to know these people through text chat and only speaking to them occasionally through mumble would probably have meant I had made far fewer friends.
I have two chat tabs, one with zone enabled for PvP, and one with just my guild enabled for general every day use, so I don't see the spam messages from others trying to sell or whatever as I have no interest in them.
Last night I was on Mumble with 3 guildies doing one of the vet dailies, and I could still easily type a quick hello to guildies who log on, and even answer a question or two in text chat in between fights.
At a rough guess, for every 4 hrs I play on the PC, I have my headphones on and use mumble for about 1 hr. The rest of the time I am using text chat to communicate with just my guild.
I have 2 friends on the PS4, one is my son who doesn't even own one, another is one of my guild mates who has recently got a PS4. Up until ESO, games I played online on the PS4 randomly grouped me with people who never spoke, never had their mikes on (or very few of them did) , for instance Destiny, don't have to talk to a soul there but can still happily PvP all night if I want.
When I game on the PC, I'm in the corner of the room, when I have my headphones on and use mumble, I'm not disturbing the rest of the family.
When I game on the PS4, it uses the main TV, I usually have my wife sitting next to me, son or daughter in the room etc and I don't like using headphones. As many others have said, some of the language etc that gets heard through the TV from others voice chat, well if I repeated it here, the post would get deleted. So as far as Zenimax are concerned, it's not suitable for this forum but perfectly OK for the whole family to hear through the TV.
When I play mmos on the console, I want to be able to join a guild and chat away with them without using a mic. When I play DCUniverse, that has text chat that's easy to use with a controller.
My PS4 gaming is very different to my PC gaming.
There has to be a way for different groups in the guild to be in their own chat rooms when they are running various dungeons etc, yet still see what other guildies are talking about and being able to comment, just like text chat on the PC lets me when I'm in mumble..
I get it,. you like using your headphones, my son when he's in his room on his Xbox has his phones on for hrs at a time, he has numerous long term friends he can group with. But not everyone enjoys doing that and I and many others have little if any desire to use voice while mooching about doing things such as a bit of solo leveling or crafting.
I get your concerns, I hate all the spam on the PC but as I have said, I get zero spam as I now just have guild chat showing most of the time. The odd occasion I need a mat I cant find, I enable other chat to see what people are selling but it's one simple click to disable it again.
I really really really don't understand why you have such a problem with it being introduced on the consoles in a way where like the PC version you can customize whats seen hence wont ever see the spam (and you do seem to have a much much bigger problem with this being introduced than most other players).
I hear concerns that if text chat was introduced, voice chat wouldn't be used, surely if that ended up being true, it only shows what the majority wanted. And I don't see how this would affect you even if that did happen, you can just keep chatting away using voice chat to your friends?
For many (on PS4 anyway) voice already ISN'T being used and we are having ZERO communication as we have voice chat disabled for the reasons many of us have already mentioned. I haven't played the console version for ages now for the sole reason of the lack of text chat. If it had text chat I would have brought the DLC, as it is I will probably uninstall it to get disc space back.
I have loads of addons on the PC but I would happily play the console version without them just for a completely different experience and to soak in more of the lore and story, however lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.
Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.
Real short....I'm not the reason you don't have this feature but ZOS is.
I'm attempting to help everyone understand where to find the information regarding ZOS's decision in development to scrap this feature. There is also a response to this topic on ESO live from much older threads that are now archived from the closed console beta forums.
To me...if anyone wants some form of this feature, it's only logical to fully understand what ZOS' opportunities and options are per what they've shared. As of now they have literally said and wrote that what exists on PC will not come to console but other ideas around pre-text radial chat is where they are willing to look at other ideas. It's why I suggested a compromise to utilize the social menu which is als where radial text chat is offered.
If your goal is to continue trying to convince anyone who votes against or who doesn't fully agree with your own opinions regarding this feature you're missing the point of this thread and also taking the thread off topic. If anyone desires a response from ZOS start where they are willing to listen and not where they've already responded even if you're new to the topic.
Zos changed their minds on issues they said no to before. Why do you think this should be any different?
I have asked you this several times now and I would like to read your response to that question.
It's not what I think and again it's not me arguing this.
In response to your question...ZOS just recently said to everyone after the last ESO live show that they have no new information. (Their stance hasn't changed) per Jessica Folsom's comment
That didnt really answer my question.
Im not asking about what zos has said in the past or recently, I am asking why are you trying to steer me and others away from asking what we want when zos has shown that they change their minds with topics such as this.
I understand they said no. I understand their reasoning as well. I also understand that they have changed their minds on a few things as well. What I dont understand is why you want us to stop asking for what we want and try to settle for a compramise no one is asking for.
As a side note, I apologize if I come off rude, I dont mean too. I am a very direct person and dont mean any offense in any of my statements.
I'm definitely not steering others away from what you want.
I am steering you and anyone towards what ZOS has said they are willing to look into. Unfortunately that's in opposition to what you and others want.
I'm only trying to help as so many were absent and do not watch and/or listen to the live information which is how this company chooses to respond to their customer base.
If you really want to help you have to understand our position. Grouping up is our number one issue. We want a text chat that can reach thousands of people, not just those in earshot or those standing at the undaunted camp or those in our guild. We think the looking for grouptool is broken, exploitable, and rediculously inefficient. We want our text chat to be able to toggle on and off. We want voice chat to stay as is. There are other things we could discuss but this sums it up pretty well.
So, if you want to help us get on board with our ideas. If you don't like our ideas then there is no point in trying to "help" us and you can choose to leave or choose to stay here and continue to derail the thread arguing over garbage. You haven't convinced a single person and your not going to. This isn't debate club anyway. We've used text chat on other games, it works, and that is what we want!
You're sadly making false assumptions about me and also have placed your ideas and opinions as more important than my own or anyone else's. I actually have taken a lot of time and side conversations to understand your points of view.
I alone decided early in 2015 to make, manage, compile, inform and share a thread which was the only complete source for consoles months prior to release with this entire community her and on Xbox any and all possible info on console release. To be quite honest the majority the community found out that text chat wasn't offered prior to console beta because of my efforts. Some of the early pro-text chat box supporters are in my Xbox one guild.
A lot of you guys have no clue of what extent I went to each day for months to keep you guys in the loop. Even in 2014 prompting to lead the charge where finally Matt F specifically addressed my question during the 12 months of delays and silence and then keeping the momentum going which began ZOS interaction on console specific info.
The feature that you're upset about was scrapped sometime during the requirements set forth by Xbox and Sony which unknown to us could therein lie the definitive decision as to why it was removed.
If you go to the Playstation or Redditt site you'll see months prior to release during the 12+ month delay...a ps4 only screenshot was placed and ZOS mods suggested that an arrow on that screenshot was where text chat was to appear and be toggled or what not. Later(in my thread) ZOS mods admit that their info was outdated and they commented and shared things that development had scrapped earlier along in development. This type of stuff happens but I took my personal time to keep anyone at all interested informed.
To say I need to first understand your point of view which entails putting aside my own opinions is extremely selfish and oddly it's exactly what you claim I'm doing to you.
The reality is that I'm showing you windows from occurrences you missed and gates to access that info and first hand to listen to and read topics around those items. ZOS is the company who made decisions and who decides what does and what doesn't appear on the platform of your choice...not me.
I'm simply the messenger and sadly if not for me most of you would have no clue about anything pre release and post.
If you want the feature topic listened to by ZOS, it's ideal to listen to what they want to listen to and discuss along those lines.
Any poll or thread regardless of influence isn't how they go about making huge platform changes. Threads and polls are sometimes how they gauge interest in things they are open to changing. Find that space and develop and organize conversations there. If you hope they'll change their minds start with something vs beating a dead horse.
It works and I'm actually here to help you and. Others do so.
I've been trying for what....2 months nowNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Just Talking to ppl and the consoles have a whole world of options outside of the game. It's pretty simple unless you're new to consoles....PC to console seems just fine as I prefer not having text chat in order to play and not be interrupted or slowed down by typing and trying to read while playing.
This is a quote of yours from the thread titled 'Gaming Company Successes & Failure'. I chose this quote because it firmly displays that you don't want text chat on console. Now that is motive. Posters are going to have a difficult time believing that you're "here to help" when you have motive to push against text chat. You're far from a neutral party. So it's very easy to be drawn toward a conclusion that you just don't want text chat on console. Hopefully that illuminates why people are abrasive toward you saying you're here to help.
I see now...because someone disagrees with you, you and others have a hard time understanding that people can actually disagree but still work towards helping you get what you want or what's possible as an alternative.
I'm not a selfish person...it's why I'm trying to help the thread focus and collaborate for the topic at hand
Calling it a disagreement over simplifies. Frankly you be fine with an alternative, but you clearly do not want text chat. Am I incorrect. If suddenly ZOS added text chat, you would take no issue with it?
Again you and others continue to try and make it about me.
You're derailing the topic.
What i want and or don't want is not at all what this is about. What this is about is what you guys want and what ZOS is willing to consider. Let's discuss options based on what we know.
Why are you the interpreter of what ZOS will listen to? You don't want the discussion to involve you, or your opinion on the subject to be considered. Yet you personally want to oversee and advise on what ZOS will listen to. You cannot see how a conflict of interest would not be questioned?
I'm not the interpreter I just listen to what ZOS said and am sharing with you and others who didn't watch, won't watch it who were not around and don't care to watch and listen to their actual info.
Please go watch it yourself so you're not thinking its me vs you.
In regards to conflict of interest...this doesn't apply here and doesn't mean what you think it does.
Conflict of interest applies when someone involvement offers them personal gain or will not allow them to have sound judgement in a matter or decision. I'm not trying to make any decisions for anyone...just sharing what is and also trying to be a good community member as to offer insight in order to help you all better communicate with ZOS on something your bothered about.
I'm offering assistance in an area I've personally succeeded in specific to a platform I've succeeded in info on.
This is specifically someone offering their personal experience who has had success where others in this thread have not.
What's going on isn't accomplishing what many hope so why fight trying something different that has worked for someone else? The worse that can happen is that you get a response with no change but what's likely to happen is that you get some of what you want.
It's not even doing it my way but instead it's doing ZOS' way.
These types of post dont help.
If you truly want to help this community, you could support what the majority of people are asking for and stop down playing their votes and voices as if they dont matter.
Even if you dont feel text chat is needed, and claim to be a neutral party, then you should be able to support text chat. Zos has changed their stances on issues before, and they can change their stance on this. There is no valid reason for you not to support the community on this.
First....your opinion of my comment...you disagree or misunderstand the intent. No issue there.
I do have an issue with your suggestion that anyone should abandon their opinion in order to work with a forum poll which hardly represents any majority. It's even a very small portion of the entire forum community who've even participated.
Some polls have almost 10,000 votes.
I'm not claiming to be neutral in anyway but I am pointing out that my opinion has nothing to do with this feature happening.
I am offering and willing to participate in discussing opportunities with your ideas, my ideas and others ideas so have a happy option for everyone.
If I were to suggest to you....hey listen, abandon your opinion and work with me because I side with ZOS that would be crazy and you might comment a bit aggressively. What I find to be reasonable is that we all discuss within what ZOS is willing to listen to in efforts to discuss realistic options for all. That's what the forums are here for.
Idea...discussion of the idea from many different sides....ending up with or coming up with suggestions for all...discussing and then asking or proposing the company to give feedback on the conclusion. That's how we all win.
If you get what you want but others are negatively impacted then the suggestions some are making such as XYZ ppl and #'s of ppl will leave if this isn't added....it also works the other way too.
What's the issue with anyone working together? I know it's a forum and it's the internet but hopefully many participants can see that this is a heated topic so certain participants are going to share and respond. If we get on topic vs discussing off topic things we get somewhere....
Make sense?
Thing is NBS:
No one will be "Negatively Impacted" over adding text chat.... They can simply toggle it on/off just like any other MMO. How is letting people who are Deaf enjoy this game more going to impact anyone negatively? How is letting people find groups easier going to "Negatively Impact" anyone.. How is letting people find a way to grow the economy of this game going to "Negatively Impact" anyone?
Bottom line... You are defending one of the worst decisions in MMO gaming history! That is your right to do so, but just so you know that it is what it is lol.
EDIT: I would just like to ask exactly. "WHY" anyone would NOT want this to be added.. I mean what is the reasoning here? The only reason I can think of is if I were one of the people that owned 5 guild merchants and this would "Negatively Impact" my monopoly over the game.... Other than that there honestly is no reason for anyone to vote against this.. Am I missing something here?
Hey and welcome to the discussion....
Thanks for your opinions...
Why anyone wouldn't want this doesn't help this discussion as many even myself would rather come up with some realistic options for all to be happy. What ideas do you have?-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Glorious_One✭✭✭YesFunkopotamus wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.
As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.
If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.
There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.
I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.
I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.
I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.
Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.
So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?
I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences
I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.
I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
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Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?
I think pretty much every forum poster now knows your views on not wanting text chat, about 50% of the time I read the forum, if I glance down at the topic titles, I see the text chat and your the last person to post
Still of course you have a right to give your thoughts, I just don't think you fully understand where others are coming from.
I've been a console player since I first brought my megadrive, had most of them, all the PS and all of the Xbox except the latest.
I've also been a PC gamer all this time too.
Different people play in different ways.
I don't join random guilds, never have. In Lotro I was in two guilds since the day it came out one on the EU and one in the US, in ESO I joined a guild I found via a forum when I said what I was looking for in a guild. It's a multi gaming guild hence if I do move on to another mmo, chances are my guild will have a presence also.
I rarely use pug groups either (on the PC), I like to group with friends I've made, in Lotro we have alliances with other guilds and my friend list grew etc after I had played with the same people a few times, got to know them and got to like them.
In ESO on the PC, my guild is a very active and friendly guild. We use Mumble when we are doing dungeons and PvP, although I don't always use it in long PvP sessions as I have no desire to sit there with headphones on for long periods of time.
The rest of the time I am chatting away to numerous guild members in text chat. I get to know these people through text chat and only speaking to them occasionally through mumble would probably have meant I had made far fewer friends.
I have two chat tabs, one with zone enabled for PvP, and one with just my guild enabled for general every day use, so I don't see the spam messages from others trying to sell or whatever as I have no interest in them.
Last night I was on Mumble with 3 guildies doing one of the vet dailies, and I could still easily type a quick hello to guildies who log on, and even answer a question or two in text chat in between fights.
At a rough guess, for every 4 hrs I play on the PC, I have my headphones on and use mumble for about 1 hr. The rest of the time I am using text chat to communicate with just my guild.
I have 2 friends on the PS4, one is my son who doesn't even own one, another is one of my guild mates who has recently got a PS4. Up until ESO, games I played online on the PS4 randomly grouped me with people who never spoke, never had their mikes on (or very few of them did) , for instance Destiny, don't have to talk to a soul there but can still happily PvP all night if I want.
When I game on the PC, I'm in the corner of the room, when I have my headphones on and use mumble, I'm not disturbing the rest of the family.
When I game on the PS4, it uses the main TV, I usually have my wife sitting next to me, son or daughter in the room etc and I don't like using headphones. As many others have said, some of the language etc that gets heard through the TV from others voice chat, well if I repeated it here, the post would get deleted. So as far as Zenimax are concerned, it's not suitable for this forum but perfectly OK for the whole family to hear through the TV.
When I play mmos on the console, I want to be able to join a guild and chat away with them without using a mic. When I play DCUniverse, that has text chat that's easy to use with a controller.
My PS4 gaming is very different to my PC gaming.
There has to be a way for different groups in the guild to be in their own chat rooms when they are running various dungeons etc, yet still see what other guildies are talking about and being able to comment, just like text chat on the PC lets me when I'm in mumble..
I get it,. you like using your headphones, my son when he's in his room on his Xbox has his phones on for hrs at a time, he has numerous long term friends he can group with. But not everyone enjoys doing that and I and many others have little if any desire to use voice while mooching about doing things such as a bit of solo leveling or crafting.
I get your concerns, I hate all the spam on the PC but as I have said, I get zero spam as I now just have guild chat showing most of the time. The odd occasion I need a mat I cant find, I enable other chat to see what people are selling but it's one simple click to disable it again.
I really really really don't understand why you have such a problem with it being introduced on the consoles in a way where like the PC version you can customize whats seen hence wont ever see the spam (and you do seem to have a much much bigger problem with this being introduced than most other players).
I hear concerns that if text chat was introduced, voice chat wouldn't be used, surely if that ended up being true, it only shows what the majority wanted. And I don't see how this would affect you even if that did happen, you can just keep chatting away using voice chat to your friends?
For many (on PS4 anyway) voice already ISN'T being used and we are having ZERO communication as we have voice chat disabled for the reasons many of us have already mentioned. I haven't played the console version for ages now for the sole reason of the lack of text chat. If it had text chat I would have brought the DLC, as it is I will probably uninstall it to get disc space back.
I have loads of addons on the PC but I would happily play the console version without them just for a completely different experience and to soak in more of the lore and story, however lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.
Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.
Real short....I'm not the reason you don't have this feature but ZOS is.
I'm attempting to help everyone understand where to find the information regarding ZOS's decision in development to scrap this feature. There is also a response to this topic on ESO live from much older threads that are now archived from the closed console beta forums.
To me...if anyone wants some form of this feature, it's only logical to fully understand what ZOS' opportunities and options are per what they've shared. As of now they have literally said and wrote that what exists on PC will not come to console but other ideas around pre-text radial chat is where they are willing to look at other ideas. It's why I suggested a compromise to utilize the social menu which is als where radial text chat is offered.
If your goal is to continue trying to convince anyone who votes against or who doesn't fully agree with your own opinions regarding this feature you're missing the point of this thread and also taking the thread off topic. If anyone desires a response from ZOS start where they are willing to listen and not where they've already responded even if you're new to the topic.
Zos changed their minds on issues they said no to before. Why do you think this should be any different?
I have asked you this several times now and I would like to read your response to that question.
It's not what I think and again it's not me arguing this.
In response to your question...ZOS just recently said to everyone after the last ESO live show that they have no new information. (Their stance hasn't changed) per Jessica Folsom's comment
That didnt really answer my question.
Im not asking about what zos has said in the past or recently, I am asking why are you trying to steer me and others away from asking what we want when zos has shown that they change their minds with topics such as this.
I understand they said no. I understand their reasoning as well. I also understand that they have changed their minds on a few things as well. What I dont understand is why you want us to stop asking for what we want and try to settle for a compramise no one is asking for.
As a side note, I apologize if I come off rude, I dont mean too. I am a very direct person and dont mean any offense in any of my statements.
I'm definitely not steering others away from what you want.
I am steering you and anyone towards what ZOS has said they are willing to look into. Unfortunately that's in opposition to what you and others want.
I'm only trying to help as so many were absent and do not watch and/or listen to the live information which is how this company chooses to respond to their customer base.
If you really want to help you have to understand our position. Grouping up is our number one issue. We want a text chat that can reach thousands of people, not just those in earshot or those standing at the undaunted camp or those in our guild. We think the looking for grouptool is broken, exploitable, and rediculously inefficient. We want our text chat to be able to toggle on and off. We want voice chat to stay as is. There are other things we could discuss but this sums it up pretty well.
So, if you want to help us get on board with our ideas. If you don't like our ideas then there is no point in trying to "help" us and you can choose to leave or choose to stay here and continue to derail the thread arguing over garbage. You haven't convinced a single person and your not going to. This isn't debate club anyway. We've used text chat on other games, it works, and that is what we want!
You're sadly making false assumptions about me and also have placed your ideas and opinions as more important than my own or anyone else's. I actually have taken a lot of time and side conversations to understand your points of view.
I alone decided early in 2015 to make, manage, compile, inform and share a thread which was the only complete source for consoles months prior to release with this entire community her and on Xbox any and all possible info on console release. To be quite honest the majority the community found out that text chat wasn't offered prior to console beta because of my efforts. Some of the early pro-text chat box supporters are in my Xbox one guild.
A lot of you guys have no clue of what extent I went to each day for months to keep you guys in the loop. Even in 2014 prompting to lead the charge where finally Matt F specifically addressed my question during the 12 months of delays and silence and then keeping the momentum going which began ZOS interaction on console specific info.
The feature that you're upset about was scrapped sometime during the requirements set forth by Xbox and Sony which unknown to us could therein lie the definitive decision as to why it was removed.
If you go to the Playstation or Redditt site you'll see months prior to release during the 12+ month delay...a ps4 only screenshot was placed and ZOS mods suggested that an arrow on that screenshot was where text chat was to appear and be toggled or what not. Later(in my thread) ZOS mods admit that their info was outdated and they commented and shared things that development had scrapped earlier along in development. This type of stuff happens but I took my personal time to keep anyone at all interested informed.
To say I need to first understand your point of view which entails putting aside my own opinions is extremely selfish and oddly it's exactly what you claim I'm doing to you.
The reality is that I'm showing you windows from occurrences you missed and gates to access that info and first hand to listen to and read topics around those items. ZOS is the company who made decisions and who decides what does and what doesn't appear on the platform of your choice...not me.
I'm simply the messenger and sadly if not for me most of you would have no clue about anything pre release and post.
If you want the feature topic listened to by ZOS, it's ideal to listen to what they want to listen to and discuss along those lines.
Any poll or thread regardless of influence isn't how they go about making huge platform changes. Threads and polls are sometimes how they gauge interest in things they are open to changing. Find that space and develop and organize conversations there. If you hope they'll change their minds start with something vs beating a dead horse.
It works and I'm actually here to help you and. Others do so.
I've been trying for what....2 months nowNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Just Talking to ppl and the consoles have a whole world of options outside of the game. It's pretty simple unless you're new to consoles....PC to console seems just fine as I prefer not having text chat in order to play and not be interrupted or slowed down by typing and trying to read while playing.
This is a quote of yours from the thread titled 'Gaming Company Successes & Failure'. I chose this quote because it firmly displays that you don't want text chat on console. Now that is motive. Posters are going to have a difficult time believing that you're "here to help" when you have motive to push against text chat. You're far from a neutral party. So it's very easy to be drawn toward a conclusion that you just don't want text chat on console. Hopefully that illuminates why people are abrasive toward you saying you're here to help.
I see now...because someone disagrees with you, you and others have a hard time understanding that people can actually disagree but still work towards helping you get what you want or what's possible as an alternative.
I'm not a selfish person...it's why I'm trying to help the thread focus and collaborate for the topic at hand
Calling it a disagreement over simplifies. Frankly you be fine with an alternative, but you clearly do not want text chat. Am I incorrect. If suddenly ZOS added text chat, you would take no issue with it?
Again you and others continue to try and make it about me.
You're derailing the topic.
What i want and or don't want is not at all what this is about. What this is about is what you guys want and what ZOS is willing to consider. Let's discuss options based on what we know.
Why are you the interpreter of what ZOS will listen to? You don't want the discussion to involve you, or your opinion on the subject to be considered. Yet you personally want to oversee and advise on what ZOS will listen to. You cannot see how a conflict of interest would not be questioned?
I'm not the interpreter I just listen to what ZOS said and am sharing with you and others who didn't watch, won't watch it who were not around and don't care to watch and listen to their actual info.
Please go watch it yourself so you're not thinking its me vs you.
In regards to conflict of interest...this doesn't apply here and doesn't mean what you think it does.
Conflict of interest applies when someone involvement offers them personal gain or will not allow them to have sound judgement in a matter or decision. I'm not trying to make any decisions for anyone...just sharing what is and also trying to be a good community member as to offer insight in order to help you all better communicate with ZOS on something your bothered about.
I'm offering assistance in an area I've personally succeeded in specific to a platform I've succeeded in info on.
This is specifically someone offering their personal experience who has had success where others in this thread have not.
What's going on isn't accomplishing what many hope so why fight trying something different that has worked for someone else? The worse that can happen is that you get a response with no change but what's likely to happen is that you get some of what you want.
It's not even doing it my way but instead it's doing ZOS' way.
These types of post dont help.
If you truly want to help this community, you could support what the majority of people are asking for and stop down playing their votes and voices as if they dont matter.
Even if you dont feel text chat is needed, and claim to be a neutral party, then you should be able to support text chat. Zos has changed their stances on issues before, and they can change their stance on this. There is no valid reason for you not to support the community on this.
First....your opinion of my comment...you disagree or misunderstand the intent. No issue there.
I do have an issue with your suggestion that anyone should abandon their opinion in order to work with a forum poll which hardly represents any majority. It's even a very small portion of the entire forum community who've even participated.
Some polls have almost 10,000 votes.
I'm not claiming to be neutral in anyway but I am pointing out that my opinion has nothing to do with this feature happening.
I am offering and willing to participate in discussing opportunities with your ideas, my ideas and others ideas so have a happy option for everyone.
If I were to suggest to you....hey listen, abandon your opinion and work with me because I side with ZOS that would be crazy and you might comment a bit aggressively. What I find to be reasonable is that we all discuss within what ZOS is willing to listen to in efforts to discuss realistic options for all. That's what the forums are here for.
Idea...discussion of the idea from many different sides....ending up with or coming up with suggestions for all...discussing and then asking or proposing the company to give feedback on the conclusion. That's how we all win.
If you get what you want but others are negatively impacted then the suggestions some are making such as XYZ ppl and #'s of ppl will leave if this isn't added....it also works the other way too.
What's the issue with anyone working together? I know it's a forum and it's the internet but hopefully many participants can see that this is a heated topic so certain participants are going to share and respond. If we get on topic vs discussing off topic things we get somewhere....
Make sense?
Thing is NBS:
No one will be "Negatively Impacted" over adding text chat.... They can simply toggle it on/off just like any other MMO. How is letting people who are Deaf enjoy this game more going to impact anyone negatively? How is letting people find groups easier going to "Negatively Impact" anyone.. How is letting people find a way to grow the economy of this game going to "Negatively Impact" anyone?
Bottom line... You are defending one of the worst decisions in MMO gaming history! That is your right to do so, but just so you know that it is what it is lol.
EDIT: I would just like to ask exactly. "WHY" anyone would NOT want this to be added.. I mean what is the reasoning here? The only reason I can think of is if I were one of the people that owned 5 guild merchants and this would "Negatively Impact" my monopoly over the game.... Other than that there honestly is no reason for anyone to vote against this.. Am I missing something here?
I have wondered that same exact thing.
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Glorious_One✭✭✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.
As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.
If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.
There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.
I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.
I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.
I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.
Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.
So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?
I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences
I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.
I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
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Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?
I think pretty much every forum poster now knows your views on not wanting text chat, about 50% of the time I read the forum, if I glance down at the topic titles, I see the text chat and your the last person to post
Still of course you have a right to give your thoughts, I just don't think you fully understand where others are coming from.
I've been a console player since I first brought my megadrive, had most of them, all the PS and all of the Xbox except the latest.
I've also been a PC gamer all this time too.
Different people play in different ways.
I don't join random guilds, never have. In Lotro I was in two guilds since the day it came out one on the EU and one in the US, in ESO I joined a guild I found via a forum when I said what I was looking for in a guild. It's a multi gaming guild hence if I do move on to another mmo, chances are my guild will have a presence also.
I rarely use pug groups either (on the PC), I like to group with friends I've made, in Lotro we have alliances with other guilds and my friend list grew etc after I had played with the same people a few times, got to know them and got to like them.
In ESO on the PC, my guild is a very active and friendly guild. We use Mumble when we are doing dungeons and PvP, although I don't always use it in long PvP sessions as I have no desire to sit there with headphones on for long periods of time.
The rest of the time I am chatting away to numerous guild members in text chat. I get to know these people through text chat and only speaking to them occasionally through mumble would probably have meant I had made far fewer friends.
I have two chat tabs, one with zone enabled for PvP, and one with just my guild enabled for general every day use, so I don't see the spam messages from others trying to sell or whatever as I have no interest in them.
Last night I was on Mumble with 3 guildies doing one of the vet dailies, and I could still easily type a quick hello to guildies who log on, and even answer a question or two in text chat in between fights.
At a rough guess, for every 4 hrs I play on the PC, I have my headphones on and use mumble for about 1 hr. The rest of the time I am using text chat to communicate with just my guild.
I have 2 friends on the PS4, one is my son who doesn't even own one, another is one of my guild mates who has recently got a PS4. Up until ESO, games I played online on the PS4 randomly grouped me with people who never spoke, never had their mikes on (or very few of them did) , for instance Destiny, don't have to talk to a soul there but can still happily PvP all night if I want.
When I game on the PC, I'm in the corner of the room, when I have my headphones on and use mumble, I'm not disturbing the rest of the family.
When I game on the PS4, it uses the main TV, I usually have my wife sitting next to me, son or daughter in the room etc and I don't like using headphones. As many others have said, some of the language etc that gets heard through the TV from others voice chat, well if I repeated it here, the post would get deleted. So as far as Zenimax are concerned, it's not suitable for this forum but perfectly OK for the whole family to hear through the TV.
When I play mmos on the console, I want to be able to join a guild and chat away with them without using a mic. When I play DCUniverse, that has text chat that's easy to use with a controller.
My PS4 gaming is very different to my PC gaming.
There has to be a way for different groups in the guild to be in their own chat rooms when they are running various dungeons etc, yet still see what other guildies are talking about and being able to comment, just like text chat on the PC lets me when I'm in mumble..
I get it,. you like using your headphones, my son when he's in his room on his Xbox has his phones on for hrs at a time, he has numerous long term friends he can group with. But not everyone enjoys doing that and I and many others have little if any desire to use voice while mooching about doing things such as a bit of solo leveling or crafting.
I get your concerns, I hate all the spam on the PC but as I have said, I get zero spam as I now just have guild chat showing most of the time. The odd occasion I need a mat I cant find, I enable other chat to see what people are selling but it's one simple click to disable it again.
I really really really don't understand why you have such a problem with it being introduced on the consoles in a way where like the PC version you can customize whats seen hence wont ever see the spam (and you do seem to have a much much bigger problem with this being introduced than most other players).
I hear concerns that if text chat was introduced, voice chat wouldn't be used, surely if that ended up being true, it only shows what the majority wanted. And I don't see how this would affect you even if that did happen, you can just keep chatting away using voice chat to your friends?
For many (on PS4 anyway) voice already ISN'T being used and we are having ZERO communication as we have voice chat disabled for the reasons many of us have already mentioned. I haven't played the console version for ages now for the sole reason of the lack of text chat. If it had text chat I would have brought the DLC, as it is I will probably uninstall it to get disc space back.
I have loads of addons on the PC but I would happily play the console version without them just for a completely different experience and to soak in more of the lore and story, however lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.
Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.
Real short....I'm not the reason you don't have this feature but ZOS is.
I'm attempting to help everyone understand where to find the information regarding ZOS's decision in development to scrap this feature. There is also a response to this topic on ESO live from much older threads that are now archived from the closed console beta forums.
To me...if anyone wants some form of this feature, it's only logical to fully understand what ZOS' opportunities and options are per what they've shared. As of now they have literally said and wrote that what exists on PC will not come to console but other ideas around pre-text radial chat is where they are willing to look at other ideas. It's why I suggested a compromise to utilize the social menu which is als where radial text chat is offered.
If your goal is to continue trying to convince anyone who votes against or who doesn't fully agree with your own opinions regarding this feature you're missing the point of this thread and also taking the thread off topic. If anyone desires a response from ZOS start where they are willing to listen and not where they've already responded even if you're new to the topic.
Zos changed their minds on issues they said no to before. Why do you think this should be any different?
I have asked you this several times now and I would like to read your response to that question.
It's not what I think and again it's not me arguing this.
In response to your question...ZOS just recently said to everyone after the last ESO live show that they have no new information. (Their stance hasn't changed) per Jessica Folsom's comment
That didnt really answer my question.
Im not asking about what zos has said in the past or recently, I am asking why are you trying to steer me and others away from asking what we want when zos has shown that they change their minds with topics such as this.
I understand they said no. I understand their reasoning as well. I also understand that they have changed their minds on a few things as well. What I dont understand is why you want us to stop asking for what we want and try to settle for a compramise no one is asking for.
As a side note, I apologize if I come off rude, I dont mean too. I am a very direct person and dont mean any offense in any of my statements.
I'm definitely not steering others away from what you want.
I am steering you and anyone towards what ZOS has said they are willing to look into. Unfortunately that's in opposition to what you and others want.
I'm only trying to help as so many were absent and do not watch and/or listen to the live information which is how this company chooses to respond to their customer base.
If you really want to help you have to understand our position. Grouping up is our number one issue. We want a text chat that can reach thousands of people, not just those in earshot or those standing at the undaunted camp or those in our guild. We think the looking for grouptool is broken, exploitable, and rediculously inefficient. We want our text chat to be able to toggle on and off. We want voice chat to stay as is. There are other things we could discuss but this sums it up pretty well.
So, if you want to help us get on board with our ideas. If you don't like our ideas then there is no point in trying to "help" us and you can choose to leave or choose to stay here and continue to derail the thread arguing over garbage. You haven't convinced a single person and your not going to. This isn't debate club anyway. We've used text chat on other games, it works, and that is what we want!
You're sadly making false assumptions about me and also have placed your ideas and opinions as more important than my own or anyone else's. I actually have taken a lot of time and side conversations to understand your points of view.
I alone decided early in 2015 to make, manage, compile, inform and share a thread which was the only complete source for consoles months prior to release with this entire community her and on Xbox any and all possible info on console release. To be quite honest the majority the community found out that text chat wasn't offered prior to console beta because of my efforts. Some of the early pro-text chat box supporters are in my Xbox one guild.
A lot of you guys have no clue of what extent I went to each day for months to keep you guys in the loop. Even in 2014 prompting to lead the charge where finally Matt F specifically addressed my question during the 12 months of delays and silence and then keeping the momentum going which began ZOS interaction on console specific info.
The feature that you're upset about was scrapped sometime during the requirements set forth by Xbox and Sony which unknown to us could therein lie the definitive decision as to why it was removed.
If you go to the Playstation or Redditt site you'll see months prior to release during the 12+ month delay...a ps4 only screenshot was placed and ZOS mods suggested that an arrow on that screenshot was where text chat was to appear and be toggled or what not. Later(in my thread) ZOS mods admit that their info was outdated and they commented and shared things that development had scrapped earlier along in development. This type of stuff happens but I took my personal time to keep anyone at all interested informed.
To say I need to first understand your point of view which entails putting aside my own opinions is extremely selfish and oddly it's exactly what you claim I'm doing to you.
The reality is that I'm showing you windows from occurrences you missed and gates to access that info and first hand to listen to and read topics around those items. ZOS is the company who made decisions and who decides what does and what doesn't appear on the platform of your choice...not me.
I'm simply the messenger and sadly if not for me most of you would have no clue about anything pre release and post.
If you want the feature topic listened to by ZOS, it's ideal to listen to what they want to listen to and discuss along those lines.
Any poll or thread regardless of influence isn't how they go about making huge platform changes. Threads and polls are sometimes how they gauge interest in things they are open to changing. Find that space and develop and organize conversations there. If you hope they'll change their minds start with something vs beating a dead horse.
It works and I'm actually here to help you and. Others do so.
I've been trying for what....2 months nowNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Just Talking to ppl and the consoles have a whole world of options outside of the game. It's pretty simple unless you're new to consoles....PC to console seems just fine as I prefer not having text chat in order to play and not be interrupted or slowed down by typing and trying to read while playing.
This is a quote of yours from the thread titled 'Gaming Company Successes & Failure'. I chose this quote because it firmly displays that you don't want text chat on console. Now that is motive. Posters are going to have a difficult time believing that you're "here to help" when you have motive to push against text chat. You're far from a neutral party. So it's very easy to be drawn toward a conclusion that you just don't want text chat on console. Hopefully that illuminates why people are abrasive toward you saying you're here to help.
I see now...because someone disagrees with you, you and others have a hard time understanding that people can actually disagree but still work towards helping you get what you want or what's possible as an alternative.
I'm not a selfish person...it's why I'm trying to help the thread focus and collaborate for the topic at hand
Calling it a disagreement over simplifies. Frankly you be fine with an alternative, but you clearly do not want text chat. Am I incorrect. If suddenly ZOS added text chat, you would take no issue with it?
Again you and others continue to try and make it about me.
You're derailing the topic.
What i want and or don't want is not at all what this is about. What this is about is what you guys want and what ZOS is willing to consider. Let's discuss options based on what we know.
Why are you the interpreter of what ZOS will listen to? You don't want the discussion to involve you, or your opinion on the subject to be considered. Yet you personally want to oversee and advise on what ZOS will listen to. You cannot see how a conflict of interest would not be questioned?
I'm not the interpreter I just listen to what ZOS said and am sharing with you and others who didn't watch, won't watch it who were not around and don't care to watch and listen to their actual info.
Please go watch it yourself so you're not thinking its me vs you.
In regards to conflict of interest...this doesn't apply here and doesn't mean what you think it does.
Conflict of interest applies when someone involvement offers them personal gain or will not allow them to have sound judgement in a matter or decision. I'm not trying to make any decisions for anyone...just sharing what is and also trying to be a good community member as to offer insight in order to help you all better communicate with ZOS on something your bothered about.
I'm offering assistance in an area I've personally succeeded in specific to a platform I've succeeded in info on.
This is specifically someone offering their personal experience who has had success where others in this thread have not.
What's going on isn't accomplishing what many hope so why fight trying something different that has worked for someone else? The worse that can happen is that you get a response with no change but what's likely to happen is that you get some of what you want.
It's not even doing it my way but instead it's doing ZOS' way.
These types of post dont help.
If you truly want to help this community, you could support what the majority of people are asking for and stop down playing their votes and voices as if they dont matter.
Even if you dont feel text chat is needed, and claim to be a neutral party, then you should be able to support text chat. Zos has changed their stances on issues before, and they can change their stance on this. There is no valid reason for you not to support the community on this.
First....your opinion of my comment...you disagree or misunderstand the intent. No issue there.
I do have an issue with your suggestion that anyone should abandon their opinion in order to work with a forum poll which hardly represents any majority. It's even a very small portion of the entire forum community who've even participated.
Some polls have almost 10,000 votes.
I'm not claiming to be neutral in anyway but I am pointing out that my opinion has nothing to do with this feature happening.
I am offering and willing to participate in discussing opportunities with your ideas, my ideas and others ideas so have a happy option for everyone.
If I were to suggest to you....hey listen, abandon your opinion and work with me because I side with ZOS that would be crazy and you might comment a bit aggressively. What I find to be reasonable is that we all discuss within what ZOS is willing to listen to in efforts to discuss realistic options for all. That's what the forums are here for.
Idea...discussion of the idea from many different sides....ending up with or coming up with suggestions for all...discussing and then asking or proposing the company to give feedback on the conclusion. That's how we all win.
If you get what you want but others are negatively impacted then the suggestions some are making such as XYZ ppl and #'s of ppl will leave if this isn't added....it also works the other way too.
What's the issue with anyone working together? I know it's a forum and it's the internet but hopefully many participants can see that this is a heated topic so certain participants are going to share and respond. If we get on topic vs discussing off topic things we get somewhere....
Make sense?
You talk about working together but fight against 83% of the community. It is clear you dont want to work together, you want to fight and argue. This is obvious.
I think it will be a good idea if you took a break from the forums for awhile. Go play some eso, or workout, read a book, get a massage, just to clear your head from all this. Then come back and we will see if you want to help the community after you have been destressed.
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bareheiny✭✭✭✭✭YesYou know what I need to move on from this discussion?
A firm, no-nonsense response from ZOS.
"No....we have no plans to introduce text chat....in fact, we're not even actively discussing it." or "Yes, we are discussing it internally and have some ideas already.".
I watched a bit of the ESO Live videos NewBlacksmurf has in his sig....and I didn't get anything from it. Maybe I wasn't paying attention, or maybe I simply wasn't watching the right parts.
What I have seen is ZOS changing their mind on a few things....so nothing is set in stone. Some will argue that the stunning silence means nothing is ever going to happen, but a long time ago, I was taught that silence indicates assent.
Meaning that if you don't speak up, you are tacitly approving.
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nosworc✭✭YesThis sounds to me like the exact argument going over on the Bungie forums about not wanting optional matchmaking, having optional text chat has no effect what so ever on those who for some reason don't want it but it benefits those who do greatly. From what i can see it comes down to the "I just want to disagree for the sake of disagreeing"
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Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Funkopotamus wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Assuming you've been playing for over 15-30 days or having played other games the friends list is going to be your go to.
As you play you can casually talk to ppl as you play to build your friends list.
You can if you choose to, meet and friend at least 1 person every two weeks which is more than enough to jump on and play with.
If your habit is not to socialize, friend, meet and play with others then it will be harder but having text chat doesn't make this automatically go away. Forums, psn, or Xbox forums, social gaming networks and other game forums should have provided plenty of ppl.
There are sites like esolfg and Twitter, Redditt, etc that at this point having ppl to play with shouldn't be an issue.
I omitted in-game options as you've shared disinterest so hopefully a few of those offer opportunities for you.
I've tried all these things. I've mentioned in this very thread that I have in fact. I understand the fundamental aspects of how to meet people while gaming.
I've run guild equivalents in other games. As well as recruited and trained members for those guild equivalents. Not all of them were MMO's and some functioned fine without text chat. I've even been the middle officer whom other members expressed their concerns with. So the concept of interacting with other gamers is not foreign to me. What I have learned from all of this is you need to make sure your message reaches the most people. Then you filter what you're looking for from there. That is why I want text chat in the game. It's a boarder scope. I tried extensively to make ESO work for me without it. It doesn't. So here I am advocating for text to be added.
Plainly your world view is not the absolute truth of others.
So why is the goal for your message to reach a broader audience?
With that same idea, what is it others responsibility to filter out what they don't want but in this topic a situation where ZOS needs to add a way for you and some others to reach more?
I ask because of the many examples of in your description annoying things heard on voice chat in broad audiences
I'm going to be honest your statements don't make clear sense. Without clarification on what you're getting at it's hard to respond.
I'm asking why you feel text chat reaches a broader audience than voice chat on consoles?
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Why is it others responsibility to filter out text chat on consoles but not your responsibility to filter out voice chat on consoles?
I think pretty much every forum poster now knows your views on not wanting text chat, about 50% of the time I read the forum, if I glance down at the topic titles, I see the text chat and your the last person to post
Still of course you have a right to give your thoughts, I just don't think you fully understand where others are coming from.
I've been a console player since I first brought my megadrive, had most of them, all the PS and all of the Xbox except the latest.
I've also been a PC gamer all this time too.
Different people play in different ways.
I don't join random guilds, never have. In Lotro I was in two guilds since the day it came out one on the EU and one in the US, in ESO I joined a guild I found via a forum when I said what I was looking for in a guild. It's a multi gaming guild hence if I do move on to another mmo, chances are my guild will have a presence also.
I rarely use pug groups either (on the PC), I like to group with friends I've made, in Lotro we have alliances with other guilds and my friend list grew etc after I had played with the same people a few times, got to know them and got to like them.
In ESO on the PC, my guild is a very active and friendly guild. We use Mumble when we are doing dungeons and PvP, although I don't always use it in long PvP sessions as I have no desire to sit there with headphones on for long periods of time.
The rest of the time I am chatting away to numerous guild members in text chat. I get to know these people through text chat and only speaking to them occasionally through mumble would probably have meant I had made far fewer friends.
I have two chat tabs, one with zone enabled for PvP, and one with just my guild enabled for general every day use, so I don't see the spam messages from others trying to sell or whatever as I have no interest in them.
Last night I was on Mumble with 3 guildies doing one of the vet dailies, and I could still easily type a quick hello to guildies who log on, and even answer a question or two in text chat in between fights.
At a rough guess, for every 4 hrs I play on the PC, I have my headphones on and use mumble for about 1 hr. The rest of the time I am using text chat to communicate with just my guild.
I have 2 friends on the PS4, one is my son who doesn't even own one, another is one of my guild mates who has recently got a PS4. Up until ESO, games I played online on the PS4 randomly grouped me with people who never spoke, never had their mikes on (or very few of them did) , for instance Destiny, don't have to talk to a soul there but can still happily PvP all night if I want.
When I game on the PC, I'm in the corner of the room, when I have my headphones on and use mumble, I'm not disturbing the rest of the family.
When I game on the PS4, it uses the main TV, I usually have my wife sitting next to me, son or daughter in the room etc and I don't like using headphones. As many others have said, some of the language etc that gets heard through the TV from others voice chat, well if I repeated it here, the post would get deleted. So as far as Zenimax are concerned, it's not suitable for this forum but perfectly OK for the whole family to hear through the TV.
When I play mmos on the console, I want to be able to join a guild and chat away with them without using a mic. When I play DCUniverse, that has text chat that's easy to use with a controller.
My PS4 gaming is very different to my PC gaming.
There has to be a way for different groups in the guild to be in their own chat rooms when they are running various dungeons etc, yet still see what other guildies are talking about and being able to comment, just like text chat on the PC lets me when I'm in mumble..
I get it,. you like using your headphones, my son when he's in his room on his Xbox has his phones on for hrs at a time, he has numerous long term friends he can group with. But not everyone enjoys doing that and I and many others have little if any desire to use voice while mooching about doing things such as a bit of solo leveling or crafting.
I get your concerns, I hate all the spam on the PC but as I have said, I get zero spam as I now just have guild chat showing most of the time. The odd occasion I need a mat I cant find, I enable other chat to see what people are selling but it's one simple click to disable it again.
I really really really don't understand why you have such a problem with it being introduced on the consoles in a way where like the PC version you can customize whats seen hence wont ever see the spam (and you do seem to have a much much bigger problem with this being introduced than most other players).
I hear concerns that if text chat was introduced, voice chat wouldn't be used, surely if that ended up being true, it only shows what the majority wanted. And I don't see how this would affect you even if that did happen, you can just keep chatting away using voice chat to your friends?
For many (on PS4 anyway) voice already ISN'T being used and we are having ZERO communication as we have voice chat disabled for the reasons many of us have already mentioned. I haven't played the console version for ages now for the sole reason of the lack of text chat. If it had text chat I would have brought the DLC, as it is I will probably uninstall it to get disc space back.
I have loads of addons on the PC but I would happily play the console version without them just for a completely different experience and to soak in more of the lore and story, however lack of text chat is simply a big no for me for an mmo, it makes it unusable FOR ME and many others.
Often on forums, it feels like a small group of people complaining, get changes made to the game that the majority never wanted. But I do honestly think the vast majority of console players are dumbfounded that there's no text chat and cant believe they released it without one.
Real short....I'm not the reason you don't have this feature but ZOS is.
I'm attempting to help everyone understand where to find the information regarding ZOS's decision in development to scrap this feature. There is also a response to this topic on ESO live from much older threads that are now archived from the closed console beta forums.
To me...if anyone wants some form of this feature, it's only logical to fully understand what ZOS' opportunities and options are per what they've shared. As of now they have literally said and wrote that what exists on PC will not come to console but other ideas around pre-text radial chat is where they are willing to look at other ideas. It's why I suggested a compromise to utilize the social menu which is als where radial text chat is offered.
If your goal is to continue trying to convince anyone who votes against or who doesn't fully agree with your own opinions regarding this feature you're missing the point of this thread and also taking the thread off topic. If anyone desires a response from ZOS start where they are willing to listen and not where they've already responded even if you're new to the topic.
Zos changed their minds on issues they said no to before. Why do you think this should be any different?
I have asked you this several times now and I would like to read your response to that question.
It's not what I think and again it's not me arguing this.
In response to your question...ZOS just recently said to everyone after the last ESO live show that they have no new information. (Their stance hasn't changed) per Jessica Folsom's comment
That didnt really answer my question.
Im not asking about what zos has said in the past or recently, I am asking why are you trying to steer me and others away from asking what we want when zos has shown that they change their minds with topics such as this.
I understand they said no. I understand their reasoning as well. I also understand that they have changed their minds on a few things as well. What I dont understand is why you want us to stop asking for what we want and try to settle for a compramise no one is asking for.
As a side note, I apologize if I come off rude, I dont mean too. I am a very direct person and dont mean any offense in any of my statements.
I'm definitely not steering others away from what you want.
I am steering you and anyone towards what ZOS has said they are willing to look into. Unfortunately that's in opposition to what you and others want.
I'm only trying to help as so many were absent and do not watch and/or listen to the live information which is how this company chooses to respond to their customer base.
If you really want to help you have to understand our position. Grouping up is our number one issue. We want a text chat that can reach thousands of people, not just those in earshot or those standing at the undaunted camp or those in our guild. We think the looking for grouptool is broken, exploitable, and rediculously inefficient. We want our text chat to be able to toggle on and off. We want voice chat to stay as is. There are other things we could discuss but this sums it up pretty well.
So, if you want to help us get on board with our ideas. If you don't like our ideas then there is no point in trying to "help" us and you can choose to leave or choose to stay here and continue to derail the thread arguing over garbage. You haven't convinced a single person and your not going to. This isn't debate club anyway. We've used text chat on other games, it works, and that is what we want!
You're sadly making false assumptions about me and also have placed your ideas and opinions as more important than my own or anyone else's. I actually have taken a lot of time and side conversations to understand your points of view.
I alone decided early in 2015 to make, manage, compile, inform and share a thread which was the only complete source for consoles months prior to release with this entire community her and on Xbox any and all possible info on console release. To be quite honest the majority the community found out that text chat wasn't offered prior to console beta because of my efforts. Some of the early pro-text chat box supporters are in my Xbox one guild.
A lot of you guys have no clue of what extent I went to each day for months to keep you guys in the loop. Even in 2014 prompting to lead the charge where finally Matt F specifically addressed my question during the 12 months of delays and silence and then keeping the momentum going which began ZOS interaction on console specific info.
The feature that you're upset about was scrapped sometime during the requirements set forth by Xbox and Sony which unknown to us could therein lie the definitive decision as to why it was removed.
If you go to the Playstation or Redditt site you'll see months prior to release during the 12+ month delay...a ps4 only screenshot was placed and ZOS mods suggested that an arrow on that screenshot was where text chat was to appear and be toggled or what not. Later(in my thread) ZOS mods admit that their info was outdated and they commented and shared things that development had scrapped earlier along in development. This type of stuff happens but I took my personal time to keep anyone at all interested informed.
To say I need to first understand your point of view which entails putting aside my own opinions is extremely selfish and oddly it's exactly what you claim I'm doing to you.
The reality is that I'm showing you windows from occurrences you missed and gates to access that info and first hand to listen to and read topics around those items. ZOS is the company who made decisions and who decides what does and what doesn't appear on the platform of your choice...not me.
I'm simply the messenger and sadly if not for me most of you would have no clue about anything pre release and post.
If you want the feature topic listened to by ZOS, it's ideal to listen to what they want to listen to and discuss along those lines.
Any poll or thread regardless of influence isn't how they go about making huge platform changes. Threads and polls are sometimes how they gauge interest in things they are open to changing. Find that space and develop and organize conversations there. If you hope they'll change their minds start with something vs beating a dead horse.
It works and I'm actually here to help you and. Others do so.
I've been trying for what....2 months nowNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Just Talking to ppl and the consoles have a whole world of options outside of the game. It's pretty simple unless you're new to consoles....PC to console seems just fine as I prefer not having text chat in order to play and not be interrupted or slowed down by typing and trying to read while playing.
This is a quote of yours from the thread titled 'Gaming Company Successes & Failure'. I chose this quote because it firmly displays that you don't want text chat on console. Now that is motive. Posters are going to have a difficult time believing that you're "here to help" when you have motive to push against text chat. You're far from a neutral party. So it's very easy to be drawn toward a conclusion that you just don't want text chat on console. Hopefully that illuminates why people are abrasive toward you saying you're here to help.
I see now...because someone disagrees with you, you and others have a hard time understanding that people can actually disagree but still work towards helping you get what you want or what's possible as an alternative.
I'm not a selfish person...it's why I'm trying to help the thread focus and collaborate for the topic at hand
Calling it a disagreement over simplifies. Frankly you be fine with an alternative, but you clearly do not want text chat. Am I incorrect. If suddenly ZOS added text chat, you would take no issue with it?
Again you and others continue to try and make it about me.
You're derailing the topic.
What i want and or don't want is not at all what this is about. What this is about is what you guys want and what ZOS is willing to consider. Let's discuss options based on what we know.
Why are you the interpreter of what ZOS will listen to? You don't want the discussion to involve you, or your opinion on the subject to be considered. Yet you personally want to oversee and advise on what ZOS will listen to. You cannot see how a conflict of interest would not be questioned?
I'm not the interpreter I just listen to what ZOS said and am sharing with you and others who didn't watch, won't watch it who were not around and don't care to watch and listen to their actual info.
Please go watch it yourself so you're not thinking its me vs you.
In regards to conflict of interest...this doesn't apply here and doesn't mean what you think it does.
Conflict of interest applies when someone involvement offers them personal gain or will not allow them to have sound judgement in a matter or decision. I'm not trying to make any decisions for anyone...just sharing what is and also trying to be a good community member as to offer insight in order to help you all better communicate with ZOS on something your bothered about.
I'm offering assistance in an area I've personally succeeded in specific to a platform I've succeeded in info on.
This is specifically someone offering their personal experience who has had success where others in this thread have not.
What's going on isn't accomplishing what many hope so why fight trying something different that has worked for someone else? The worse that can happen is that you get a response with no change but what's likely to happen is that you get some of what you want.
It's not even doing it my way but instead it's doing ZOS' way.
These types of post dont help.
If you truly want to help this community, you could support what the majority of people are asking for and stop down playing their votes and voices as if they dont matter.
Even if you dont feel text chat is needed, and claim to be a neutral party, then you should be able to support text chat. Zos has changed their stances on issues before, and they can change their stance on this. There is no valid reason for you not to support the community on this.
First....your opinion of my comment...you disagree or misunderstand the intent. No issue there.
I do have an issue with your suggestion that anyone should abandon their opinion in order to work with a forum poll which hardly represents any majority. It's even a very small portion of the entire forum community who've even participated.
Some polls have almost 10,000 votes.
I'm not claiming to be neutral in anyway but I am pointing out that my opinion has nothing to do with this feature happening.
I am offering and willing to participate in discussing opportunities with your ideas, my ideas and others ideas so have a happy option for everyone.
If I were to suggest to you....hey listen, abandon your opinion and work with me because I side with ZOS that would be crazy and you might comment a bit aggressively. What I find to be reasonable is that we all discuss within what ZOS is willing to listen to in efforts to discuss realistic options for all. That's what the forums are here for.
Idea...discussion of the idea from many different sides....ending up with or coming up with suggestions for all...discussing and then asking or proposing the company to give feedback on the conclusion. That's how we all win.
If you get what you want but others are negatively impacted then the suggestions some are making such as XYZ ppl and #'s of ppl will leave if this isn't added....it also works the other way too.
What's the issue with anyone working together? I know it's a forum and it's the internet but hopefully many participants can see that this is a heated topic so certain participants are going to share and respond. If we get on topic vs discussing off topic things we get somewhere....
Make sense?
Thing is NBS:
No one will be "Negatively Impacted" over adding text chat.... They can simply toggle it on/off just like any other MMO. How is letting people who are Deaf enjoy this game more going to impact anyone negatively? How is letting people find groups easier going to "Negatively Impact" anyone.. How is letting people find a way to grow the economy of this game going to "Negatively Impact" anyone?
Bottom line... You are defending one of the worst decisions in MMO gaming history! That is your right to do so, but just so you know that it is what it is lol.
EDIT: I would just like to ask exactly. "WHY" anyone would NOT want this to be added.. I mean what is the reasoning here? The only reason I can think of is if I were one of the people that owned 5 guild merchants and this would "Negatively Impact" my monopoly over the game.... Other than that there honestly is no reason for anyone to vote against this.. Am I missing something here?
Hey and welcome to the discussion....
Thanks for your opinions...
Why anyone wouldn't want this doesn't help this discussion as many even myself would rather come up with some realistic options for all to be happy. What ideas do you have?
Well let me see here..
../Checks the sign on the topic door....
Yep yep I am in the right place for it...... I am here talk about text chat being added to the game.. You know the one that the DEV team said they are still open to adding it and are not completely closed to the idea? Yeah sure you do.
You know the same dev that I linked to in my earlier post said they were still open to the idea....
Talking to you is like pulling up to Mcdonalds drive thru and you saying" Welcome to pizza hut what kinda pizza would you like today"
I am here to talk about TEXT CHAT being added to the game like the topic is titled.. Not Talk about an alternative because NewBlackSmurf wants me to lol.
If you want to talk about "Alternatives" then start your own topic.. This one is about Text chat.. /Points...... "See the sign on the door?"Edited by Funkopotamus on 9 September 2015 00:47Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington5
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