SturgeHammer wrote: »

From today's patch notes:

Thunderous Presence (Lightning Form morph):
-Decreased the duration of this ability to 15 seconds from 23 seconds at Rank IV.
-Grants the Major Expedition buff for a maximum of 4 seconds at Rank IV.
-It now deals 300% more damage during the first 4 seconds after activation.

This is very appealing now that it has the speed buff. Thanks for listening ZOS, this is a step in the right direction for improving Stam Sorc.

Actually not really.
The speed buff lasts 4 seconds. The damage increase lasts 4 seconds. Meaning every 4 seconds we are spending 3-4k stamina to maintain the buff. I highly doubt 300% increased damage is going to be worth it, I will know as soon as PTS comes up.

That said, I will still be using Boundless Storm which has a movement speed buff that lasts 7.5 seconds and it's not like I use Magicka for anything really other than Streak.

SturgeHammer wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

SturgeHammer wrote: »

From today's patch notes:

Thunderous Presence (Lightning Form morph):
-Decreased the duration of this ability to 15 seconds from 23 seconds at Rank IV.
-Grants the Major Expedition buff for a maximum of 4 seconds at Rank IV.
-It now deals 300% more damage during the first 4 seconds after activation.

This is very appealing now that it has the speed buff. Thanks for listening ZOS, this is a step in the right direction for improving Stam Sorc.

Actually not really.
The speed buff lasts 4 seconds. The damage increase lasts 4 seconds. Meaning every 4 seconds we are spending 3-4k stamina to maintain the buff. I highly doubt 300% increased damage is going to be worth it, I will know as soon as PTS comes up.

That said, I will still be using Boundless Storm which has a movement speed buff that lasts 7.5 seconds and it's not like I use Magicka for anything really other than Streak.

I don't really care about the damage. Having this ability not compete for resources with Bolt is a big deal for me at least, even if the speed boost is worse.

You do realize you will be dumping 4k+ Stamina (I assume more at v16) every 4 seconds now? That's pretty horrible. This is a buff for PvE players who wanted more damage from Baseline. PvPers use this for resists/mobility. Calling this a step in the right direction is like calling up down.

I understand you want Magicka for Streak, but let's be real, even pre nerf we didn't spam Streak as Stamina Sorcs. I use it to set *** up, at most I usually do it twice. That said, I always have plenty of that strange blue resource bar

Xael wrote: »

SturgeHammer wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

SturgeHammer wrote: »

From today's patch notes:

Thunderous Presence (Lightning Form morph):
-Decreased the duration of this ability to 15 seconds from 23 seconds at Rank IV.
-Grants the Major Expedition buff for a maximum of 4 seconds at Rank IV.
-It now deals 300% more damage during the first 4 seconds after activation.

This is very appealing now that it has the speed buff. Thanks for listening ZOS, this is a step in the right direction for improving Stam Sorc.

Actually not really.
The speed buff lasts 4 seconds. The damage increase lasts 4 seconds. Meaning every 4 seconds we are spending 3-4k stamina to maintain the buff. I highly doubt 300% increased damage is going to be worth it, I will know as soon as PTS comes up.

That said, I will still be using Boundless Storm which has a movement speed buff that lasts 7.5 seconds and it's not like I use Magicka for anything really other than Streak.

I don't really care about the damage. Having this ability not compete for resources with Bolt is a big deal for me at least, even if the speed boost is worse.

You do realize you will be dumping 4k+ Stamina (I assume more at v16) every 4 seconds now? That's pretty horrible. This is a buff for PvE players who wanted more damage from Baseline. PvPers use this for resists/mobility. Calling this a step in the right direction is like calling up down.

I understand you want Magicka for Streak, but let's be real, even pre nerf we didn't spam Streak as Stamina Sorcs. I use it to set *** up, at most I usually do it twice. That said, I always have plenty of that strange blue resource bar

On live, from full magicka (and 1 magicka recovery tick) I can Bolt 3 times, or twice and 1 boundless, or some combination of the 2. That is generally is enough to do what I need to do in terms of offense or defensive. With BE costing more in PTS that leaves boundless to pick up more of the slack. Removing the resource competition by using the Stam morph of lightning form (in theory) will do a decent imitation of my live build, which is a way better position than PTS 2.1 which was a just a straight up nerfing. That being said this isn't optimum. The 6sec speed boost boundless has on live would be more appropriate, but at least this version of of Thunderous has the potential to fill a utility gap.

Here is some damage from PTS Imperial City ganking:


This is with about 3k weapon damage including my mundus (warrior). As a Sorc with this premade stuff, it's going to be very difficult to compete with other Stamina classes. I hit this dude with a 5.9k crit Wrecking Blow. I almost hit AltF4.

Damage is just terrible now. I don't think his shield was up, but maybe it was, I dunno. Pretty discouraging either way.

Cathexis wrote: »

As I've said in other posts, it also does shock damage, and stam sorc's don't use spell pierce..setting aside all the other problems.

did you test if it scales of Armor or spell penetrration?

Magicka morph is still superior, even for stam sorcs.

Speed boost lasts longer. Armor & spell resist lasts longer.

Much better synergy with magicka morph + sprinting for super speed. (Drain magicka and stamina at same time, rather than double hit on stamina)

Stamina in general is at a premium on PTS vs live (block nerf, roll dodge nerf, werewolf nerf). Much better to not be blowiing it on stamina morph.

Only upside is the damage boost, and it's a joke. I don't know how they come up with this stuff. I liked it better before the "buff", the 23 second duration was nice to stack with Evasion. Now they took that away.