Detect potions -- wonder drink or cheap trick?

JDar · July 2015

I use these defensively because I hate getting ganked, but I do use them a lot. However, I am starting to think that some of the best 1vxers and gankers in the game don't seem to use them. I could be wrong, I don't know. Is it fair to use these, or is it a crutch for the solo player? As a magicka nightblade, the knowledge of the battlefield is very powerful since my game relies upon stealth, but I only want to get nice, fair kills, not cheap shots. What do you guys think, should I lay off the juice or keep chugging them?

kevlarto_ESO · July 2015

Watch a couple of twitch streams you will see this one instajibber use detect pots a lot, in fact I have seen him use them and run into a crowd of stealthy players and instajib half of them before they know what is going on. It's funny this particular player complains when he gets instajibbed, and says he has a bad reputation in the campaign, I guess he can't figure out people do not like to get insta killed. I would keep doing what your doing you are kind of fighting fire with fire.

Turelus · July 2015

That's entirely up to your own play style and personal honour code.

Many players consider a sneak-attack or gank kill a cheap or newbie tactic, however this is a player decided attitude towards play, normally from the players frustrated by deaths to it.
There are no hard written rules of battlefield honour or tactics within the game and if players choose to impose restrictions upon themselves due to a personal honour code that's fine, but if you make a choice as such you shouldn't blame others for not following your code.

I personally feel the potions are a little too strong at the moment, they're a hard counter to one of the Nightblades main survival abilities (remember this is the class with no class skill massive self-heals or shields) and overshadow any of the skills within the game designed for this intent.

I have no objection to the potions being in the game or people using them but 40.3 seconds is a very long time to be able to negate a Nightblades main survival ability.

As a note I play Magicka Nightblade not Stamina Ganking, so this is my main defensive ability.

chevalierknight · July 2015

Turelus wrote: »

That's entirely up to your own play style and personal honour code.

Many players consider a sneak-attack or gank kill a cheap or newbie tactic, however this is a player decided attitude towards play, normally from the players frustrated by deaths to it.
There are no hard written rules of battlefield honour or tactics within the game and if players choose to impose restrictions upon themselves due to a personal honour code that's fine, but if you make a choice as such you shouldn't blame others for not following your code.

I personally feel the potions are a little too strong at the moment, they're a hard counter to one of the Nightblades main survival abilities (remember this is the class with no class skill massive self-heals or shields) and overshadow any of the skills within the game designed for this intent.

I have no objection to the potions being in the game or people using them but 40.3 seconds is a very long time to be able to negate a Nightblades main survival ability.

As a note I play Magicka Nightblade not Stamina Ganking, so this is my main defensive ability.

Yeh i hate that one guy pops one and now 30 can see me how does a drink work for the group. Make it only work for the guy who drinks it and noone would complain they can make it last long for all i care

Master_Kas · July 2015

Cheap trick.

1 pot removes the class's main defensive ability. And if that is not enough, it does so anyone near the one using it also ignores it. It is stupid.

If ZOS decided to add pot that ignore for example : scales, hardened ward, blazing shield etc (and consume magicka even if your skill doesnt work just like with cloak vs detect pot user) for everyone near them for 25+ seconds all the tears would drown the forums.

Anyone saying otherwise is just out for nbs to be at the bottom .

Good riddance

can't wait for next update.

Lava_Croft · July 2015

They are both.

JDar · July 2015

Master_Kas wrote: »

Cheap trick.

1 pot removes the class's main defensive ability. And if that is not enough, it does so anyone near the one using it also ignores it. It is stupid.

If ZOS decided to add pot that ignore for example : scales, hardened ward, blazing shield etc (and consume magicka even if your skill doesnt work just like with cloak vs detect pot user) for everyone near them for 25+ seconds all the tears would drown the forums.

Anyone saying otherwise is just out for nbs to be at the bottom .

Good riddance can't wait for next update.

YMMV of course, but I have noticed I rarely pull anyone out of cloak with these pots; I almost always detect people who are stealthed. Most stam blades are poor at using cloak and rely on dodge roll to escape, and that is the majority of the class, I reckon.

As a magicka nightblade, I agree though. It is time for our kind to finally have an ability that allows us to go unseen while in combat that works reliably. As was promised.

I figure, if you're stealthed out you're already up to no good and so you're fair game. I think I've prevented many gankers from getting cheap kills, so, as was said, fight fire with fire.

Forztr · July 2015

One/Two shot kill from stealth - wonder skill or cheap trick?

/end thread (not really but-)

potions cost money abilities don't
if i use a detect potion I can't use another
so yeah i screwed up your stealth but you still have a choice of potions left to use.

Also with the upcoming Imp City DLC i can see NB ganking being a very profitable pass time. Live by stealth die by Detect pots, such is life.

Farorin · July 2015

It's fair. I am an NB ganker and I don't use them, but that's only because I use tripots of weapon dam, weapon crit, and stamina.

If someone finds me while I am stealthing by using a det pot or a stealth breaking skill, fair play I say.

Ara_Valleria · July 2015

Farorin wrote: »

It's fair. I am an NB ganker and I don't use them, but that's only because I use tripots of weapon dam, weapon crit, and stamina.

If someone finds me while I am stealthing by using a det pot or a stealth breaking skill, fair play I say.

Detect pots are fine. Piercing mark isn't. That crap reveals you to the entire faction. Like ... why ?

Cathexis · July 2015

Good luck getting enough Namiras Rot to use this as a consistent strategy.

Master_Kas · July 2015

JDar wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Cheap trick.

1 pot removes the class's main defensive ability. And if that is not enough, it does so anyone near the one using it also ignores it. It is stupid.

If ZOS decided to add pot that ignore for example : scales, hardened ward, blazing shield etc (and consume magicka even if your skill doesnt work just like with cloak vs detect pot user) for everyone near them for 25+ seconds all the tears would drown the forums.

Anyone saying otherwise is just out for nbs to be at the bottom .

Good riddance can't wait for next update.

YMMV of course, but I have noticed I rarely pull anyone out of cloak with these pots; I almost always detect people who are stealthed. Most stam blades are poor at using cloak and rely on dodge roll to escape, and that is the majority of the class, I reckon.

As a magicka nightblade, I agree though. It is time for our kind to finally have an ability that allows us to go unseen while in combat that works reliably. As was promised.

I figure, if you're stealthed out you're already up to no good and so you're fair game. I think I've prevented many gankers from getting cheap kills, so, as was said, fight fire with fire.

Yes spot on. Mostly manablades who gets screwed by these pots.
And I use them My self from time to time for example when i use detonationbuild to get the spelldmg buff since normal spellpower pots break sneak/invis.

I find the detectpots extremly good, even if its cheap.
But ganking is also cheap even if I do it from time to time

JDar · July 2015

Cathexis wrote: »

Good luck getting enough Namiras Rot to use this as a consistent strategy.

The pots I use are made from Wormwood, Lady's Smock, and Corn Flower, which are fairly abundant, they are called Panacea of Detection. Gives Major Sorcery and Major Intellect buffs, restores Magicka and gives detection. Amazing for solo magicka players. You can cast Harness Magicka, Cloak and then run into a dangerous situation ready to light someone up with full magicka and bonus damage.

Much cheaper than the Panacea of Immovable too. There is also a pot called Panacea of Detection which gives the detect bonus, of course, and also a weapon crit bonus, but I do not get many requests for these.

chevalierknight · July 2015

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

Farorin wrote: »

It's fair. I am an NB ganker and I don't use them, but that's only because I use tripots of weapon dam, weapon crit, and stamina.

If someone finds me while I am stealthing by using a det pot or a stealth breaking skill, fair play I say.

Detect pots are fine. Piercing mark isn't. That crap reveals you to the entire faction. Like ... why ?

You're wrong mark only work for the caster if you're a good nightblade you will not panic wait for who ever runs for you first that will tell you who used it kill him restealth simple

Master_Kas wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Cheap trick.

1 pot removes the class's main defensive ability. And if that is not enough, it does so anyone near the one using it also ignores it. It is stupid.

If ZOS decided to add pot that ignore for example : scales, hardened ward, blazing shield etc (and consume magicka even if your skill doesnt work just like with cloak vs detect pot user) for everyone near them for 25+ seconds all the tears would drown the forums.

Anyone saying otherwise is just out for nbs to be at the bottom .

Good riddance can't wait for next update.

YMMV of course, but I have noticed I rarely pull anyone out of cloak with these pots; I almost always detect people who are stealthed. Most stam blades are poor at using cloak and rely on dodge roll to escape, and that is the majority of the class, I reckon.

As a magicka nightblade, I agree though. It is time for our kind to finally have an ability that allows us to go unseen while in combat that works reliably. As was promised.

I figure, if you're stealthed out you're already up to no good and so you're fair game. I think I've prevented many gankers from getting cheap kills, so, as was said, fight fire with fire.

Yes spot on. Mostly manablades who gets screwed by these pots.
And I use them My self from time to time for example when i use detonationbuild to get the spelldmg buff since normal spellpower pots break sneak/invis.

I find the detectpots extremly good, even if its cheap.
But ganking is also cheap even if I do it from time to time

"from time to time"

leepalmer95 · July 2015

Well if you don't manage to get a dot off, vamo nightblades can travel faster then if there sprinting so yes, detection pots are the only viable source for some builds or classes to use to be able to avoid getting 1 hit stealthed.

Lava_Croft · July 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Well if you don't manage to get a dot off, vamo nightblades can travel faster then if there sprinting so yes, detection pots are the only viable source for some builds or classes to use to be able to avoid getting 1 hit stealthed.

Nothing travels faster than BowBlade, has absolutely nothing to with being a Vampire. Instead of finding threads to whine about Vampires, maybe just make your own thread where you can lay out all the things that you think are wrong with Vampires.

driosketch · July 2015

Cathexis wrote: »

Good luck getting enough Namiras Rot to use this as a consistent strategy.

One, I have a ton of these. Try doing some alchemy writs.

Two, you would not use Namira's Rot as invisibility cancels out the detection trait. (Learned the hard way.)

Tankqull · July 2015

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

Farorin wrote: »

It's fair. I am an NB ganker and I don't use them, but that's only because I use tripots of weapon dam, weapon crit, and stamina.

If someone finds me while I am stealthing by using a det pot or a stealth breaking skill, fair play I say.

Detect pots are fine. Piercing mark isn't. That crap reveals you to the entire faction. Like ... why ?

it doesen´t, the attack by the marker that follows does reveal you to anybody.

Morridune · July 2015

No real issues with it working for the player who drank the pot, as like mentioned they now can't use any other pot till CD. Were I do think they are over powered is allowing a whole group of ppl to benefit as its not like 1 NB can drink a pot and buff all the NB's with him do deal more damage from stealth or heals every1 close to him, a potion should relay only benefit the player using it which currently doesn't seem to be the case.