Yakidafi wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

It works like this on all stealths that your friends can see the target too, but do not worry vampire you have your other ability to turn into a" gas ball "and that mark does not work on.

You can't attack in mistform and everyone can still shoot you. What it's your point? Mark Target doesn't break an ability that does not make you invis in the first place? gg

Never been able to attack anyone in mistform, saw one die from a DoT once.

Tabtarget the opponent.

That is the bugged way, work on all stealths. Hopefully fixed soon tm.

If your target goes to stealth you will lose him as target.

Has anyone noticed that npc's on resources can still attack u with melee skills whiskt in the middle of clouding swarm?
And with being marked and in clouding does it stop u from going invis? Have had it happen to me a few times just thort it was lag/another bug that happens -.- never noticed the mark as i usually die fairly quickly when it happens

Tankqull wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

It works like this on all stealths that your friends can see the target too, but do not worry vampire you have your other ability to turn into a" gas ball "and that mark does not work on.

You can't attack in mistform and everyone can still shoot you. What it's your point? Mark Target doesn't break an ability that does not make you invis in the first place? gg

Never been able to attack anyone in mistform, saw one die from a DoT once.

Tabtarget the opponent.

That is the bugged way, work on all stealths. Hopefully fixed soon tm.

actually the mistform beeing not attackble without it is bugged.

What do you mean? Tabtarget the mist form and you can dmg the mist form 100%.

In other cases only the NB sees you. You're just hitted because the NB who marked you breaks your cloak, or because there are more than 4 projectiles coming to you (when you use cloak, the 4 firsts projectiles in travel time will be dodged, the others will hit you and break cloak).[/quote]

see that's what annoys me about this game, no where in the tool tips does it state that the first 4 projectiles are dodged (it does state it cleanse 4 dots off you though) and to me it seems like you dodge ALL in flight projectiles as long as you're cloak is holding up and no one AOE's your location or pops a a detect pot. Could you link where you got the information specifically limiting it to 4 already in flight projectiles? and if cloak can only dodge four projectiles and scales can also only reflect four than ball of lightning should only intercept 4 as well imo (even though that probably won't really change anything).

it would be nice to have a page that specifically stated the exact function of abilities. i know there's allot to some abilities that would take up you're whole screen if everything was included in it's tool tip (i.e. bolt escape no longer states that it reduces your out of combat magika regen even though i find it still does on my sorc and i could go on with almost every ability) it would be cool if there was place here on the forums that theory crafters like myself could go to get the exact and detailed information.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_whoever the bug is still there.
I can't logg in so I used my time to show this bug in video :
https://youtu.be/0UxnFdnF7bc

Milky wrote: »

Funny thread. Not bugged. It's working exactly as intended. You're getting countered, it's how pvp works in mmo type games. Counterplay. There is no mechanic in the game for detecting someone that only YOU can see.Detection is global, someone who is detected can be seen by everyone, as they are no longer hidden. Hidden is also global.

No lol. If someone use a detect pot not everyone can see me. If someone use a mark on me not everyone can see me when I cloak. Only the one who used a detect pot or a mark is supposed to be able to see me. Thing is : its bugged with cloudingswarm since 1.6 and only 1.6.

Milky wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Milky wrote: »

Funny thread. Not bugged. It's working exactly as intended. You're getting countered, it's how pvp works in mmo type games. Counterplay. There is no mechanic in the game for detecting someone that only YOU can see.Detection is global, someone who is detected can be seen by everyone, as they are no longer hidden. Hidden is also global.

No lol. If someone use a detect pot not everyone can see me. If someone use a mark on me not everyone can see me when I cloak. Only the one who used a detect pot or a mark is supposed to be able to see me. Thing is : its bugged with cloudingswarm since 1.6 and only 1.6.

Both of these are incorrect. If I detect someone, everyone can see them. If I piercing mark someone, that person can't stealth at all anymore, everyone will see them. That's the entire point of the skills, including flare and magelight.

Sorry but you need to actually test this stuff before talking about it. You're wrong.

If you find them with aoe yes everyone can see them but if you use a detection pot only you can see them, same should be with mark target because its the same mechanic as detect potion in general lines.

Milky wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Milky wrote: »

Funny thread. Not bugged. It's working exactly as intended. You're getting countered, it's how pvp works in mmo type games. Counterplay. There is no mechanic in the game for detecting someone that only YOU can see.Detection is global, someone who is detected can be seen by everyone, as they are no longer hidden. Hidden is also global.

No lol. If someone use a detect pot not everyone can see me. If someone use a mark on me not everyone can see me when I cloak. Only the one who used a detect pot or a mark is supposed to be able to see me. Thing is : its bugged with cloudingswarm since 1.6 and only 1.6.

Both of these are incorrect. If I detect someone, everyone can see them. If I piercing mark someone, that person can't stealth at all anymore, everyone will see them. That's the entire point of the skills, including flare and magelight.

Sorry but you need to actually test this stuff before talking about it. You're wrong.

And you did you test it? Piercing mark and detection pot doesnt work the same way than flare or magelight. Only the person who used a pot or a mark can see the nb. You're still "hiden" when you use cloak when marked or when an ennemy used a detect pot but you're not when you use cloudingswarm while marked. You can see that on the little vid above, I was visible when I used cloudingswarm, I used cloak in cloudingswarm (makes sense lol) and was hidded even with the mark still running. I already tested stealth mechanics, maybe you should make serious tests by yourself before to tell me that I'm wrong and that this post is a joke

Erondil wrote: »

Milky wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Milky wrote: »

Funny thread. Not bugged. It's working exactly as intended. You're getting countered, it's how pvp works in mmo type games. Counterplay. There is no mechanic in the game for detecting someone that only YOU can see.Detection is global, someone who is detected can be seen by everyone, as they are no longer hidden. Hidden is also global.

No lol. If someone use a detect pot not everyone can see me. If someone use a mark on me not everyone can see me when I cloak. Only the one who used a detect pot or a mark is supposed to be able to see me. Thing is : its bugged with cloudingswarm since 1.6 and only 1.6.

Both of these are incorrect. If I detect someone, everyone can see them. If I piercing mark someone, that person can't stealth at all anymore, everyone will see them. That's the entire point of the skills, including flare and magelight.

Sorry but you need to actually test this stuff before talking about it. You're wrong.

And you did you test it? Piercing mark and detection pot doesnt work the same way than flare or magelight. Only the person who used a pot or a mark can see the nb. You're still "hiden" when you use cloak when marked or when an ennemy used a detect pot but you're not when you use cloudingswarm while marked. You can see that on the little vid above, I was visible when I used cloudingswarm, I used cloak in cloudingswarm (makes sense lol) and was hidded even with the mark still running. I already tested stealth mechanics, maybe you should make serious tests by yourself before to tell me that I'm wrong and that this post is a joke

The bug is not the skill, the bug is hidden. HIDDEN displays when you are not always hidden. As a NB you should know this already. Now THAT bug, is something to complain about.

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

I really cannot follow your logic...whats your point? The things you write make zero sense.

I did write it out, with every step of combat. Do I really need to press enter between them and make it into a list for you to understand it? Maybe I can find a litebrite somewhere and draw some pictures for you.

Or I could use more simple language.

Me use stealth detection potion. Me no hit them. Teammate no use stealth detection potion. Teammate see enemy. Teammate kill enemy. Me no take part.

Erondil wrote: »

Milky wrote: »

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Milky wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Milky wrote: »

Funny thread. Not bugged. It's working exactly as intended. You're getting countered, it's how pvp works in mmo type games. Counterplay. There is no mechanic in the game for detecting someone that only YOU can see.Detection is global, someone who is detected can be seen by everyone, as they are no longer hidden. Hidden is also global.

No lol. If someone use a detect pot not everyone can see me. If someone use a mark on me not everyone can see me when I cloak. Only the one who used a detect pot or a mark is supposed to be able to see me. Thing is : its bugged with cloudingswarm since 1.6 and only 1.6.

Both of these are incorrect. If I detect someone, everyone can see them. If I piercing mark someone, that person can't stealth at all anymore, everyone will see them. That's the entire point of the skills, including flare and magelight.

Sorry but you need to actually test this stuff before talking about it. You're wrong.

If you find them with aoe yes everyone can see them but if you use a detection pot only you can see them, same should be with mark target because its the same mechanic as detect potion in general lines.

I can find a stealther, I can hit them with piercing marks between cloaks. Piercing mark has a much larger range than any of my other skills, so I am still way out of range. I can witness this person move far away from any other nearby enemy (ally of mine) far out of anyone elses detection pot radius. I can then watch as this person attempts to cloak with piercing mark still on, and people will run straight to them. I have done nothing to them, they are out of range of anyone elses detects, yet.... they cannot cloak. Explain please.

Also explain how I can, in my own small group of friends, be the only one running detect pot. Call out that a NB is nearby stealthing, pop my stealth detect. Then witness my teamspeak allies attack the target before me?

Because the cloak breaks after 4 projectils or dot purged. So if there are more than 3-4 ppl spamming projectiles (even bow and staf light attacks) or dot you cant cloak if they dont los or use a rolldodge before. This is not serious tests.

You can't be hit by projectiles while in cloak if you're hidden, they require a target. ESO has no ACTUAL projectiles. In some games you can blind fire a projectile, and it will make contact if someone is there. Light attacks, heavy attacks, single target spells and abilities, these won't make blind contact with a target. Only AOEs can do that. So you saying that someone can hit you with 4 projectiles to uncloak you.... it's already silly. And I'm not sure where you even got that number from.

If I'm in cloak, and I walk up to a caltrops, it will detect me immediately. Now I can retreat out of it, and if I haven't been attacked or attacked anyone.... I can retain hidden status again.

Milky wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Milky wrote: »

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Milky wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Milky wrote: »

Funny thread. Not bugged. It's working exactly as intended. You're getting countered, it's how pvp works in mmo type games. Counterplay. There is no mechanic in the game for detecting someone that only YOU can see.Detection is global, someone who is detected can be seen by everyone, as they are no longer hidden. Hidden is also global.

No lol. If someone use a detect pot not everyone can see me. If someone use a mark on me not everyone can see me when I cloak. Only the one who used a detect pot or a mark is supposed to be able to see me. Thing is : its bugged with cloudingswarm since 1.6 and only 1.6.

Both of these are incorrect. If I detect someone, everyone can see them. If I piercing mark someone, that person can't stealth at all anymore, everyone will see them. That's the entire point of the skills, including flare and magelight.

Sorry but you need to actually test this stuff before talking about it. You're wrong.

If you find them with aoe yes everyone can see them but if you use a detection pot only you can see them, same should be with mark target because its the same mechanic as detect potion in general lines.

I can find a stealther, I can hit them with piercing marks between cloaks. Piercing mark has a much larger range than any of my other skills, so I am still way out of range. I can witness this person move far away from any other nearby enemy (ally of mine) far out of anyone elses detection pot radius. I can then watch as this person attempts to cloak with piercing mark still on, and people will run straight to them. I have done nothing to them, they are out of range of anyone elses detects, yet.... they cannot cloak. Explain please.

Also explain how I can, in my own small group of friends, be the only one running detect pot. Call out that a NB is nearby stealthing, pop my stealth detect. Then witness my teamspeak allies attack the target before me?

Because the cloak breaks after 4 projectils or dot purged. So if there are more than 3-4 ppl spamming projectiles (even bow and staf light attacks) or dot you cant cloak if they dont los or use a rolldodge before. This is not serious tests.

You can't be hit by projectiles while in cloak if you're hidden, they require a target. ESO has no ACTUAL projectiles. In some games you can blind fire a projectile, and it will make contact if someone is there. Light attacks, heavy attacks, single target spells and abilities, these won't make blind contact with a target. Only AOEs can do that. So you saying that someone can hit you with 4 projectiles to uncloak you.... it's already silly. And I'm not sure where you even got that number from.

If I'm in cloak, and I walk up to a caltrops, it will detect me immediately. Now I can retreat out of it, and if I haven't been attacked or attacked anyone.... I can retain hidden status again.

If you have been able to use piercing mark between 2 cloak, then other ppl have been able to target the nb and use projectiles for a milisecond. A nb can be hit by projectiles if those were already in travel time when the nb used cloak. Why? Because projectiles are counted as "dot" when they are in travel time and so can be purged (there is a video if you dont believe me). Why only 4 then? Because its the amount of dot cloak removes. So yes, if 3-4 ppl used projectiles during this milisecond where the nb was targettable, they can break cloak. Oh and also, I got my number from my tests, you know whaymt is a test? Not what you felt or experienced in open PvP but some serious stuff, the one you do before to claim others are wrong or others are silly. Your behaviour is silly not my number.
Btw you can see the thread "Mages fury break cloak" in this section, I detailed how cloak works for projectiles aswell.

Milky wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

You're saying BS when you have 0 clue. You didnt make any serious test and youre so sure of yourself... I will try to find some people to make tests (which I will record) about piercing mark today... maybe you will admit youre wrong then.

Do it, please. God knows we can use more information about mechanics on this game. But don't expect me to return to this thread, it's just silly. Feel free to PM me your results.

LOL man how can you pass a door with such big fat head?

Did your teammate attack the nb when he popped the detect pot or anybody else attacked him?

Cinbri wrote: »

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Did your teammate attack the nb when he popped the detect pot or anybody else attacked him?

No, let me say: we hiding, teammate use detect pots - we both see stealthed enemies round while we still hiding, without any attacks.
To be 100% sure need to test in 2.0.10, last time we used pots in 2.0.8.

I believe it works with sneak but not with cloak, when you try to sneak while someone uses a detect pot, you appears "detected" but when you use cloak you are still "hidded" and only the player who used a pot can see you. This because the sneak mechanic doesnt work the same way than cloak : the sneak mechanic uses a "radius of detectability(decreasd by racial bosmer/khajiit passive, set of the aor, medium armor...) and a "radius of detection (with passives that increase it :magelight morphed, detect pot...). Basically when you try to sneak close to someone there is a calcul "his radius of detection-your radius of detectability or something like that, if the value is negative then you appear "detected" and are seen by everybody.
This radius mechanic doesnt work on cloak, when you cloak youre hidded no matter the range. This except the detect which gives also a buff (only to the one who use a pot) that permite to see through invisibility with a ~40 meters radius. Detect pot doesnt works with clouding swarm because clouding swarm doesnt use the invisibility texture (so there is nothing to display).