Templar class decision

RAM2191 · June 2015

Hi guys. Im new to the game and really want to roll a stamina templar. My question is what would be the best class for it? I really like the visual look of orcs as they are race I use in most other ES games. But their racials seem a little lacking in comparison to those like the Redguard and Imperial. Can I get some pros and cons for all these classes? thanks!

Also would it be easy to enchant for magicka and stuff later on in the game to help out my self heals?

dodgehopper_ESO · June 2015

While Orc has lower magnitude bonus to Stamina and Health than an Imperial, they do have decent bonuses at 6% to each. Their sprint passive also makes the spear charge hit 6% harder from the Templar skill line (as well as the 2hander and Sword and shield charge). Templar is also the only class that can charge with a Dual Wield setup (unless you are swapping weapons to charge then attack with something else). If you want to heal as an Orc it can certainly be done.

If you are trying to minmax Orc might not be the best pick for healing, but its going to function fine as a healer with the right gear and attribute choices, so if you want to play an Orc I say do it.

jcasini222ub17_ESO · June 2015

Orismer here. I will always suggest the mighty orsimer. The racials are meh from a pure min/max perspective certainly go elsewhere for that. The extra charge damage is nice but were orc's really shine is the sprint bonus. I know you might be thinking lol run faster. However, at later levels, that sprint bonus can function as a decent gap closer (for me its dropping crit charge and adding a diff skill for whatever the moment). Granted there is no damage to the idea of 'gap closer' like true skills but you free up a slot. For pve I slot (some reason drawing blank) the armor skill from draconic power line and become nigh indestrucible in medium armor. So my first bar looks like armor, fiery breath, brawler, uppercut, rally(or green dragon blood) then ult standard. As a templar Im sure there is some variation.

Also with the sprint bonus and certain increase speed item sets you can run down people on horses who havent dumped into speed.

tplink3r1 · June 2015

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

While Orc has lower magnitude bonus to Stamina and Health than an Imperial, they do have decent bonuses at 6% to each. Their sprint passive also makes the spear charge hit 6% harder from the Templar skill line (as well as the 2hander and Sword and shield charge). Templar is also the only class that can charge with a Dual Wield setup (unless you are swapping weapons to charge then attack with something else). If you want to heal as an Orc it can certainly be done.

If you are trying to minmax Orc might not be the best pick for healing, but its going to function fine as a healer with the right gear and attribute choices, so if you want to play an Orc I say do it.

I don't think so http://www.esohead.com/skills/25484-ambush

RAM2191 · June 2015

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

Orismer here. I will always suggest the mighty orsimer. The racials are meh from a pure min/max perspective certainly go elsewhere for that. The extra charge damage is nice but were orc's really shine is the sprint bonus. I know you might be thinking lol run faster. However, at later levels, that sprint bonus can function as a decent gap closer (for me its dropping crit charge and adding a diff skill for whatever the moment). Granted there is no damage to the idea of 'gap closer' like true skills but you free up a slot. For pve I slot (some reason drawing blank) the armor skill from draconic power line and become nigh indestrucible in medium armor. So my first bar looks like armor, fiery breath, brawler, uppercut, rally(or green dragon blood) then ult standard. As a templar Im sure there is some variation.

Also with the sprint bonus and certain increase speed item sets you can run down people on horses who havent dumped into speed.

Very insightful thank you

Im not really into min/maxing cause Im not too good at it and know I wont be the best player out there. I just dont want to feel disadvantaged or gimped for playing a class/race combo I find most appealing.

Skiserony · June 2015

Well for a Templar stamina build there are a few races that work really well with it.

1) Imperial, it's the best race for 90% of stamina builds: the 22% extra resource pools are huge, and 10% chance to heal on a melee attack it really useful. Especially when you use stamina AoE. For PvE this one would be best choice, PvP some other races are competitive.
2) Redguard: have some stamina with your stamina. His stamina supplies are by far the best of all races. Really good for both PvP and PvE. Imo one of the best with a skilled player.
3) Orc, 12% more resources, which is great, more charge damage which is very useful in PvP, health regen is not really the best since your health regen is pretty low. But best thing I think is the sprint bonus, it's really helpful for PvP. PvE he'll do decent, but half of the passives aren't that worthy there.
4) Bosmer: 21% stamina regen is massive, 3% more stamina, poison resist is good for PvP as well the stealthy passive. For PvE not so good imo.
5) Dunmer: better choice if you want to go hybrid, but for Templar not recommended, unless you go vampire.

These are the options for competitive endgame, but choose whatever race you want. Even if it's for the looks.

RAM2191 · June 2015

Thanks for the great info Skiserony. I do plan to use my character for both pvp and pve but Dont intend on being that great at either as I'm a noob! My favorite looking is definitely an Orc but I think ill go for either Imperial or Redguard. Stamina bonus's are just too good to pass up.

I take it Redguard could do more damage but Imperials would live longer?

Skiserony · June 2015

RAM2191 wrote: »

I take it Redguard could do more damage but Imperials would live longer?

It depends, know that only weapon damage and stamina increases your damage of skills. If you take Imperial you have 12% health more than a Redguard, so that means you can lower your health to get more stamina that will increase your dps. But a Redguard his sustain is much better and what are you going to do if you have no stamina left? Your dps drops and you'll probably die. So both are quite similar in surviving and doing dps, except Imperial is more health specific and Redguard stamina specific.

For PvE I woud prefer Imperial, but for PvP Redguard. I have a Redguard and an Imperial and I really can't decide which one is my favorite. They are both really powerful, and their looks are both really cool. Choose the race that you love the most, there is nothing wrong you can do with picking one of those two.

And know that everyone starts as a noob, but end like a pro. (Or left the game)

RAM2191 · June 2015

Skiserony wrote: »

Choose the race that you love the most, there is nothing wrong you can do with picking one of those two.

And know that everyone starts as a noob, but end like a pro. (Or left the game)

Cool

Ill think about one of these 2 then

I like the look of both but I think Ill probably lean towards Imperial first and then use a redguard for another class

Thanks alot for your help!

RAM2191 · June 2015

If I choose Imperial over Redguard would I need to put more attribute points into stamina to make up for what im lacking for not choosing redguard? OR would it be easier to choose redguard and put more attribute points into health?

Im definitely over thinking it here I think xD

Skiserony · June 2015

RAM2191 wrote: »

If I choose Imperial over Redguard would I need to put more attribute points into stamina to make up for what im lacking for not choosing redguard? OR would it be easier to choose redguard and put more attribute points into health?

Im definitely over thinking it here I think xD

Haha you kind of are, don't worry. Both have the 10% increase in stamina. As an Imperial you could afford to get more stamina but as a Redguard your stamina will be high enough. That's not something you should worry about.

The easiest to get good resource pools is to choose Imperial, but for more sustain Redguard is better. So eventually an Imperial might do a slight bit more dps (really not a lot) but Redguard will go longer than an Imperial.

Ah man, the choice is hard haha.

RAM2191 · June 2015

The choice is very hard... I can never Decide what to have for breakfast never mind this! haha I kinda am leaning towards Imperial as health is always good. and I plan on being a werewolf so that stamina regen should help with what Id be missing out on with redguard

Animal_Mother · June 2015

Bosmer with werewolf passive is a huge increase in stamina regen. Configured for stamina and melee, I can practically sneak and use Wrecking Blow for free then if my target is still around, throw down Purifying Ritual and hit with Jabs.

So there's another thing to think about. Your pools help increase damage, but regen is always useful.

dodgehopper_ESO · June 2015

tplink3r1 wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

While Orc has lower magnitude bonus to Stamina and Health than an Imperial, they do have decent bonuses at 6% to each. Their sprint passive also makes the spear charge hit 6% harder from the Templar skill line (as well as the 2hander and Sword and shield charge). Templar is also the only class that can charge with a Dual Wield setup (unless you are swapping weapons to charge then attack with something else). If you want to heal as an Orc it can certainly be done.

If you are trying to minmax Orc might not be the best pick for healing, but its going to function fine as a healer with the right gear and attribute choices, so if you want to play an Orc I say do it.

I don't think so http://www.esohead.com/skills/25484-ambush

So that's an interesting point you make, but unless they've fundamentally changed the way the skill works you're wrong. I actually thought of this when the game first started, which is why my Orc Nightblade was made. I was wrong in assuming that ambush was a 'charge' attack. An assumption which was very logical to me at the time. After looking at the numbers though I realized I was getting nothing different. I sent some tickets to ZoS who informed me that Ambush and its morphs were not charges for the purpose of the Orc passive. Nightblades can however charge in utilizing ambush, but an Orc using Ambush will not get the bonus charge damage on ambush. I hope that clarifies what I was saying.

kkravaritieb17_ESO · June 2015

For PvE i think redguard is the best choise simple because of adrenaline rush although i would urge you to roll nb if you want to play stamina build its far easier.

Skiserony · June 2015

RAM2191 wrote: »

The choice is very hard... I can never Decide what to have for breakfast never mind this! haha I kinda am leaning towards Imperial as health is always good. and I plan on being a werewolf so that stamina regen should help with what Id be missing out on with redguard

Hahaha awesome. Health indeed is good

wether you pick Imperial or Redguard, there is absolutely no wrong choice to make. Being a WW is recommended for every build that doesn't want to be a Vampire, I mean an extra 15% stam regen? Yes please.

Another thing to notice, Imperials are really good combined with food buffs and Redguard with drink buffs, which both have benefits for several things. Now my PvP character is an Imperial (becasue I already had a Redguard) but I think Redguard would have been a better choice, however for PvE he is a tank which makes an Imperial better for it.

I love both races, they're awesome.

Animal_Mother wrote: »

Bosmer with werewolf passive is a huge increase in stamina regen. Configured for stamina and melee, I can practically sneak and use Wrecking Blow for free then if my target is still around, throw down Purifying Ritual and hit with Jabs.

So there's another thing to think about. Your pools help increase damage, but regen is always useful.

Well, as I mention above, this race is really powerful in PvP for a certain build. But for PvE I don't really think it is as viable as other races. He's planning to do both PvP and PvE so Redguard would be a better choice imo if it comes to stamina regen, I know it has 18% less stam regen but the Adrenaline Rush really makes up for it.

Skiserony · June 2015

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

While Orc has lower magnitude bonus to Stamina and Health than an Imperial, they do have decent bonuses at 6% to each. Their sprint passive also makes the spear charge hit 6% harder from the Templar skill line (as well as the 2hander and Sword and shield charge). Templar is also the only class that can charge with a Dual Wield setup (unless you are swapping weapons to charge then attack with something else). If you want to heal as an Orc it can certainly be done.

If you are trying to minmax Orc might not be the best pick for healing, but its going to function fine as a healer with the right gear and attribute choices, so if you want to play an Orc I say do it.

I don't think so http://www.esohead.com/skills/25484-ambush

So that's an interesting point you make, but unless they've fundamentally changed the way the skill works you're wrong. I actually thought of this when the game first started, which is why my Orc Nightblade was made. I was wrong in assuming that ambush was a 'charge' attack. An assumption which was very logical to me at the time. After looking at the numbers though I realized I was getting nothing different. I sent some tickets to ZoS who informed me that Ambush and its morphs were not charges for the purpose of the Orc passive. Nightblades can however charge in utilizing ambush, but an Orc using Ambush will not get the bonus charge damage on ambush. I hope that clarifies what I was saying.

Hmm, interesting. It could be the fact that Ambush is a teleport and nt a charge, which means it's no bug whatsoever. Good to know though.