Lethal Arrow / Poison Arrow: What Champion Points?

R0M2K · May 2015

Hello!

What Champion pasives affect the damage of Lethal Arrow / Poison arrow ?

- Thaumaturgy? Migthy? Both?

As i understand those skills are physical (Migthy here) with poison element (Thaumaturgy here), soooo both pasives should boost its damage rigth?

Thanks.

Alcast · June 2015

Here you go guys, I am sending this report EVERY day via feedback/bugreport to ZOS till they acknowledge the problem.

Do it too and we might get some answer sooner or later.
Problem with Stamina morph skills and Elemental/Magic damage type Ultis as STAMINA BUILD:
1. Those skills work ONLY with Spellpenetration and NOT Armorpenetration.
3. Alll Ulties are Elemental or Magic damage type (except Take flight is physical)
2. Can not boost dmg with Mighty(+physical dmg) in The Ritual(for Stamina builds), have to use CP in The Apprentice(Magicka builds) to boost those things. Means only Magicka builds profit, not Stamina builds.

Here a list of affected Skills/Ultis:
Templar:
Radial Sweep(+both morphs) = Magic Damage
Nova(+both morphs) = Magic Damage

Dragonknight:
Dragonknight Standard(+both morphs) = Fire Damage
Magma Armor(+both morphs) = Fire Damage
Unstable Flame(Stamina Morph) = Fire Damage
Burning Breath(Stamina Morph) = Fire Damage

Sorc:
Overload(+both morphs) = Shock Damage
Summon Storm Attronarch(+both morphs) = Shock Damage

Soul Shred(+both morphs) = Magic Damage
Consuming Darkness(+both morphs)= Magic Damage
Death Stroke(+both morphs) = Magic Damage
Killers Balde(Stamina Morph) = Magic Damage
Power Extraction(Stamina Morph) = Magic Damage

Non-Class Ultis/Skills:
Soul Strike(+both morphs) = Magic Damage
Dawnbreaker(+both morphs) = Magic Damage
Expert Hunter(+both morphs) = Magic Damage
Ice Comet = Cold damage
Shooting Star = Fire Damage

Bow Abilities such as: Lethal Arrow, Poison Inj, Arrow Spray scale of Weapondmg/Stamina but work only with SPELLPENETRATION instead of armor penetration

RavenSworn · May 2015

I believe mighty to be the better choice but yes both increase the damage output of Lethal Arrow and poison arrow. Imo however, increasing your physical and critical strikes would yield better results than poison and physical. But it is entirely your choice.

F7sus4 · May 2015

Some find Thaumaturge more versatile as it increases your Magic Damage as well. Double win.

R0M2K · May 2015

Thanks.

Uhm, hold a second, this tread states diferent: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/171147/trial-bow-dps#latest

Really confused now, spell penetration to boost Lethal Arrow ???!!!

Can som body confirm with testings? Would be much apreciated.

Faugaun · May 2015

I would do something like this:

http://asolutionaday.com/test/Mage.htm?bla=0&ble=0&bo=10&ele=0&elf=0&h=0&m=12&pi=12&pr=6&sp=0&st=0&t=0

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · May 2015

No testing needed Thaumaturgy will buff three bow powers only, as no other stamina weapon deal poison damage. Mighty buffs how ever will buff four bow power of you keep the physical damage and buff all the damage from the Dual Wield, Two Handed and One Hand and Shield.

With your ultimate scaling from your biggest pools if you're a stamina build a magic buff is a waste unless, you run a hybrid build and a significant portion of your damage is magic outside of your ultimate.

edit: clearing up post non sense, never post at 6am with 23 hours of GTA gaming not a good mix

R0M2K · May 2015

Sorry kendelkin, i dont understand what you mean.

F7sus4 · May 2015

He means you're boosting only those skills on Bow tree which do Poison Damage. And in order to do that, you need to choose the right morphs. But keep in mind that you, actually, want to do that, because you'll eventually stack this damage increase with Morag Tong set (which gives additional +15% Poison Damage). It's just your way to go.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · May 2015

F7sus4 wrote: »

He means you're boosting only those skills on Bow tree which do Poison Damage. And in order to do that, you need to choose the right morphs. But keep in mind that you, actually, want to do that, because you'll eventually stack this damage increase with Morag Tong set (which gives additional +15% Poison Damage). It's just your way to go.

Yes it's great if you run a Poison build with Tong cause Morag Tong is awesome, but out side of that no

tintin_milou · May 2015

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

No testing needed Thaumaturgy will buff three bow powers only, as no other stamina weapon deal poison damage. Mighty buffs how ever will buff four bow power of you keep the physical damage and buff all the damage from the Dual Wield, Two Handed and One Hand and Shield.

With your ultimate scaling from your biggest pools if you're a stamina build a magic buff is a waste unless, you run a hybrid build and a significant portion of your damage is magic outside of your ultimate.

edit: clearing up post non sense, never post at 6am with 23 hours of GTA gaming not a good mix

Does Mighty buff also increase light/heavy attacks from bow and DW too? Thanks!

Alcast · May 2015

R0M2K wrote: »

Thanks.

Uhm, hold a second, this tread states diferent: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/171147/trial-bow-dps#latest

Really confused now, spell penetration to boost Lethal Arrow ???!!!

Can som body confirm with testings? Would be much apreciated.

highly possible as Ultimates which scale of weapondmg/Stamina also scale of spellpenetration which si freaking crap in my point ov view srsly. ZOS Logic

Either ZOS heavily likes Magicka builds or they just forgot to change it lol

R0M2K · May 2015

Ok, so to sum up:

- Lethal Arrow/ Poison Arrow / Poison Injection scales of:

Weapon power.
Weapon crit.
Stamina.

Thaumaturge CP (0 dmg increase with Migthy CP)
Spell penetration.

So its damage its mitigated with poison resistance and, surprise surprise, Spell Resist... WTF !!!! I fire an arrow coated in posion and its mitigated by spell resist instead of armor ??!!!!

Totally weird that stamina skills scale with spell penetration, now i understand why my LA/PA make so low damage to some players, yes, you guesed it, Nirhorned.

@ZOS_GinaBruno can we, please, get a look/word into this?

Those skills should scale with Armor Penetration, and, the Migthy Champion Point should also increase its damage ( its a physical attack, an arrow !!!!, not a spell)

Its really frustrating that some game mechanics work against any logic and in an obscure way leaving players confused and having to respec and adapt gear hundreds of times.

And please, an official guide with detailed information would be of inmense value to contribute to the health of the game... So much potential and resources wasted makes me sad.

coolermh · May 2015

R0M2K wrote: »

Ok, so to sum up:

- Lethal Arrow/ Poison Arrow / Poison Injection scales of:

Weapon power.
Weapon crit.
Stamina.

Thaumaturge CP (0 dmg increase with Migthy CP)
Spell penetration.

So its damage its mitigated with poison resistance and, surprise surprise, Spell Resist... WTF !!!! I fire an arrow coated in posion and its mitigated by spell resist instead of armor ??!!!!

Totally weird that stamina skills scale with spell penetration, now i understand why my LA/PA make so low damage to some players, yes, you guesed it, Nirhorned.

@ZOS_GinaBruno can we, please, get a look/word into this?

Those skills should scale with Armor Penetration, and, the Migthy Champion Point should also increase its damage ( its a physical attack, an arrow !!!!, not a spell)

Its really frustrating that some game mechanics work against any logic and in an obscure way leaving players confused and having to respec and adapt gear hundreds of times.

And please, an official guide with detailed information would be of inmense value to contribute to the health of the game... So much potential and resources wasted makes me sad.

If this is the case then when Nirn gets a nerf I am gonna do so much more damage with my poison archer build...muahahaha... lethal crits for 12-18k and poison arrow hits for 6-8k plus dot

F7sus4 · May 2015

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Yes it's great if you run a Poison build with Tong cause Morag Tong is awesome, but out side of that no

I fail to see reason in leaving the best damage set bonus in the whole game and pretend it doesn't exist. However, some will always try, because why to improve if you can choose to suck.

R0M2K · May 2015

Guys, the point here is those Stamina skills are beeing affected by Spell penetration instead of Armor penetration really weird in my opinion.

SHADOW2KK · June 2015

Gotta agree, most of this game makes no sense whatsoever.

And @Rom2kS completely and utterly agree.

I put a lot of points into Mighty and Thaumaturge as well, and playing with different configurations.

Playing as Bow/2H/DW Bosmer Stamina NB

Skiserony · June 2015

Soo a nirnhorned bow would be the best trait then?

That doesn't make sense.

R0M2K · June 2015

@Alcast great.

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