Mage's Fury (and morphs) pop NBs out of Cloak

Maulkin · June 2015

Sorc doing his bit for the community.

If I cast Mage's Fury just as the NB casts Cloak he will go invis but the Fury won't miss. It will connect with the target and pop them out of cloak.The timing is pretty hard to get right, it mostly happens by accident in open play. I can replicate that 100% of the time in a test environment against a friendly foe though.

I've already reported this to the devs but I've been toying with the idea of posting it here. On one side NBs need to know what is happening on the other hand more Sorcs spamming Fury will pop more NBs out of Cloak.

Currently, the best way to deal with this is to always do a roll dodge before Cloak. The dodge gives you a short period afterwards that makes projectiles miss and fury will miss too. You can use that small window to safely enter Cloak.

Peace.

Johngo0036 · June 2015

Its easier to velocious curse a NB,

You cannot stealth for long, little explosion pops us out and then velocious curse again,

Septimus_Magna · June 2015

Mages Fury is easily dodged, Curse works much better indeed.

I dont think this is a bug or something, if I use AOE damage the cloaded NB also becomes visible, Cloak isnt supposed to be an "immune-to-everything" skill with the push of a button.

Trikki · June 2015

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

I dont think this is a bug or something, if I use AOE damage the cloaded NB also becomes visible, Cloak isnt supposed to be an "immune-to-everything" skill with the push of a button.

Unlike Bolt Escape?

Maulkin · June 2015

The velocious curse pops you out 3.5" later. Fury pops you out instantly. These 3.5" can make wonders to your survivability.

And no fury cannot be easily dodged if you're a magicka nb. Because you don't dodge roll.

My point is you can dodge frags by dodge roll and by cloak. But you can only dodge fury by roll not by cloak. This is clearly a bug for me. Cloak is supposed make single target ranged attacks miss and it clearly doesn't with fury

Jahosefat · June 2015

Crushing shock does the same thing (and NB have complained about that for a long time with no change). Intended? Probs not but I feel like there was a zos comment on this a while ago. Something about travel time I think (crushing shock/fury actually have a short travel time combined with a little lag and the right timing).

Valnas · June 2015

cloak only makes projectiles miss, not insta cast single target

ToRelax · June 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

The velocious curse pops you out 3.5" later. Fury pops you out instantly. These 3.5" can make wonders to your survivability.

And no fury cannot be easily dodged if you're a magicka nb. Because you don't dodge roll.

My point is you can dodge frags by dodge roll and by cloak. But you can only dodge fury by roll not by cloak. This is clearly a bug for me. Cloak is supposed make single target ranged attacks miss and it clearly doesn't with fury

Actually we don't really know what Cloak is "supposed" to do because there's next to none information about how it works in the tooltip.
There are also a number of abilities that do that to Cloak, like charges, wich are especially mean because of the silence+root.
And magicka NBs can still dodge quite a lot with 30% more stamina regen. Just can't use it as main defense against some spammable low damage skill like Fury, but if you want to enter Cloak, sure.

Maulkin · June 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

The velocious curse pops you out 3.5" later. Fury pops you out instantly. These 3.5" can make wonders to your survivability.

And no fury cannot be easily dodged if you're a magicka nb. Because you don't dodge roll.

My point is you can dodge frags by dodge roll and by cloak. But you can only dodge fury by roll not by cloak. This is clearly a bug for me. Cloak is supposed make single target ranged attacks miss and it clearly doesn't with fury

Actually we don't really know what Cloak is "supposed" to do because there's next to none information about how it works in the tooltip.
There are also a number of abilities that do that to Cloak, like charges, wich are especially mean because of the silence+root.
And magicka NBs can still dodge quite a lot with 30% more stamina regen. Just can't use it as main defense against some spammable low damage skill like Fury, but if you want to enter Cloak, sure.

Don't start. The silence + root is enough to send me on a nerd-rage trip every time it's mentioned. Most stupid decision ever.

k2blader · June 2015

Valnas wrote: »

cloak only makes projectiles miss, not insta cast single target

^ This. Also please there's no need to start more unnecessary, invalid NB whinge.

Maulkin · June 2015

k2blader wrote: »

Valnas wrote: »

cloak only makes projectiles miss, not insta cast single target

^ This. Also please there's no need to start more unnecessary, invalid NB whinge.

a) I'm not whinging, I'm just reporting my findings. If other people start to whinge take it with them

b) The statement from Valnas is contradictory. Projectiles are all single target, some are insta cast, some aren't some have travel time, some do not. People here are saying it happens with Crushing Shock too, which is certainly a projectile as it gets reflected/absorbed by the relevant skills.

I just think single target target skills popping you out of cloak after you've cloaked is not right, but then agains ZOS might be cool with that, I don't know. I'm just bringing it to the attention of all.

ToRelax · June 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Valnas wrote: »

cloak only makes projectiles miss, not insta cast single target

^ This. Also please there's no need to start more unnecessary, invalid NB whinge.

b) The statement from Valnas is contradictory. Projectiles are all single target, some are insta cast, some aren't some have travel time, some do not. People here are saying it happens with Crushing Shock too, which is certainly a projectile as it gets reflected/absorbed by the relevant skills.

If @Erondil is right you only make 4 skills miss, so if enough projectiles are on the way they'll hit you out of cloak.
With Crushing Shock it might be the case that it counts as 3 projectiles here yet again, who knows.
As I said, we don't even know how Cloak is supposed to work.

I just think single target target skills popping you out of cloak after you've cloaked is not right, but then agains ZOS might be cool with that, I don't know. I'm just bringing it to the attention of all.

Have you played a NB without Shadow Image unlocked yet and some DK constantly whips you out of Cloak? It's ***. There are things that are clearly supposed to make you visible, they are needed, but it should be only those and clearly indicated.

Erondil · June 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Valnas wrote: »

cloak only makes projectiles miss, not insta cast single target

^ This. Also please there's no need to start more unnecessary, invalid NB whinge.

b) The statement from Valnas is contradictory. Projectiles are all single target, some are insta cast, some aren't some have travel time, some do not. People here are saying it happens with Crushing Shock too, which is certainly a projectile as it gets reflected/absorbed by the relevant skills.

If @Erondil is right you only make 4 skills miss, so if enough projectiles are on the way they'll hit you out of cloak.
With Crushing Shock it might be the case that it counts as 3 projectiles here yet again, who knows.
As I said, we don't even know how Cloak is supposed to work.

I just think single target target skills popping you out of cloak after you've cloaked is not right, but then agains ZOS might be cool with that, I don't know. I'm just bringing it to the attention of all.

Have you played a NB without Shadow Image unlocked yet and some DK constantly whips you out of Cloak? It's ***. There are things that are clearly supposed to make you visible, they are needed, but it should be only those and clearly indicated.

Projectiles count as dot during their travel time (which mean that they can be purged) so you miss maximum (if there is no other dot running on you) 4 projectiles yes. Thats also why its possible to "cloak" meteor (with the good timing you can purge meteor).
I don't know if crushing shock count as 3 projectiles for cloak or only 1. Logically it should count as 1 as it counts for dk's reflect. But zos =/= logic so I dont know.

About mage's fury, if I'm not wrong only the explosion put you out of cloak, which would make sense because there is a delay (as there is one on curse) between the initial hit and the explosion. Never really been a problem for me tbh, whips through cloak are much more annoying (basically you can't use cloak in melee without a roll dodge before). But as Elo'dryel said, I don't think anyone knows how cloak really works (and certainly not the developers lol)