Attributes Question

RAM2191 · June 2015

Why is it so hard to find a build that doesnt put all its attributes into one stat. thats boring. Is it not viable to spread our attributes out? Im only saying this as im going for a Stamina Templar build but my heals will be essentially worthless if i have to put all my attributes into stamina surely?

I am a new player by the way so Im not up to date on all the best ways to spread my points out, Im just commenting on what Ive seen others do.

Any advice greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

traigusb14_ESO2 · June 2015

I have a Templar that is pretty balanced in base stats. I Heal and Tank.. Both in heavy armor even (no resto).

I do have completely different armor/jewelry for both roles though. My tanking armor is of different sets than my healing armor, and has different stat enchants.

I have switched roles and tanked/healed with the "wrong armor" on many vet dungeons though .

I have a friend that has a pretty evenly stated Nightbalde. It allows him to use STA and Mag skills in his builds, not just stack one side or the other. It can lead to some cool combos.

The Min/maxers will tell you never to do it, but versatility can be good.

AlnilamE · June 2015

It's really up to you. And it's not hard to reset your attributes, so you can play with different options and see what works best for you.

I tend to put most of my attributes in Health because then I can get the other stats via gear and set bonuses, and I find it gives me more flexibility to tweak or change my build.

And you will always have a base of each attribute based on your level.

But yes, as a Stamina build, your heals are going to suffer, so think of them as your "oops" button.

Nestor · June 2015

OK, there are two focuses to builds in this game. PvE Content, and PvE Trials/PvP. For the former, you can do pretty much whatever you want to and make it work. Some builds will be more challenging, some will just sneeze their way through mobs.

In PvP and Trials, it's all about max performance. Since skills scale from either Stamina or Magic, then you need to have as much of the underlying attribute as possible to get the most bang for the buck, as it were. Because if you don't, the other person will.

So, you can play a Hybrid character, you just can't do end game stuff with them as well as a focused character. I think the Champion System has the potential to allow for successful Hybrids, but only after you have a few hundred points to put into that system.

RAM2191 · June 2015

Hmm ok thanks for the tips guys! I do intend to be DPS focused but as a templar, the self heals are what appealed to me aswell. I dont intend on doing much End game PVE-ing any time soon but dont want to be kicked out of dungeons causew I dont have all my points in one attribute either aha

nastuug · June 2015

RAM2191 wrote: »

Hmm ok thanks for the tips guys! I do intend to be DPS focused but as a templar, the self heals are what appealed to me aswell. I dont intend on doing much End game PVE-ing any time soon but dont want to be kicked out of dungeons causew I dont have all my points in one attribute either aha

You won't be booted out of dungeons. Find a solid guild to settle down in and all will be fine.

RAM2191 · June 2015

nastuug wrote: »

You won't be booted out of dungeons. Find a solid guild to settle down in and all will be fine.

Cool thanks alot!

Kalghed · June 2015

Have fun with it. Play around with different builds until you find something that works for you. You can always respec if you don't like it. Someone else build may not work for your play style. Put your points into what ever you want.

TheSunAlsoRises · June 2015

throwing in my 2cents; i have a full stamina NB that i also tank with using full HP gear. so nothing says you can't heal if you have the right gear and know how to play even if you have all points in stamina.

i also have a lowbie argonian DK that i'm leveling for fun (and for swim speed). i put all my points in health but i also heal and dps when i'm not tanking. i just have to carry 3 sets of gear. i can heal damn well. it also helps i'm experienced healing with my templar

Vis · June 2015

My DK is a magicka dps'ing tank. I use a mix of all 3 stats because I need health to tank, stamina to block, and magicka to dps. There are a lot of good hybrid builds. You just need to know your class well enough to make them.

Nestor · June 2015

RAM2191 wrote: »

Hmm ok thanks for the tips guys! I do intend to be DPS focused but as a templar, the self heals are what appealed to me aswell. I dont intend on doing much End game PVE-ing any time soon but dont want to be kicked out of dungeons causew I dont have all my points in one attribute either aha

I tried to go Stamina on my Templar, but did not like the skills with the Stamina Morphs for how I play. I then focused her on Magic (50 Magic, the rest in Health, all Glyphs in Magic, and Magic Resource Management Gear). She punches way above her level. She is the only character I feel comfortable taking into Craglorn dungeons solo and she is VR6.

One thing to remember, up until 1.5/1.6, Stamina was the red headed step child of the game and a Stamina Build was an invitation to failure on most aspects of the game. When they finally changed the balance so that Stamina is viable, then people started touting it as the end all be all of builds and that is the only way to go. Thing is, Magic is still as powerful and can still do the DPS. It's just when the casters in the game started getting their butts kick by Stamina Attacks, they started thinking Stamina is the only way to go. It's not the only way, it's just one of two ways.

So, build towards Stamina or Magic as it appeals to your playstyle and approach to thing. My Magic Based Templar is a DPS Dealing Machine and she is the one character I never have to worry about taking on a World Boss or Dolmen, or even Group Dungeon solo.

RAM2191 · June 2015

On a templar if you go full magicka and health and no stamina wouldnt your light and heavy attacks do next to no damage since you have like zero stamina though? $:\$ I dont want to have to focus on class abilities on their own and not be able to use some of the cool weapon skills and normal attacks as I think I would feel gimped $:\$

Nestor · June 2015

RAM2191 wrote: »

On a templar if you go full magicka and health and no stamina wouldnt your light and heavy attacks do next to no damage since you have like zero stamina though?

I use a Destro Staff on my Templar. The only reason I use Light or Heavy Attacks is to weave them in between Skill Attacks. This helps tremendously with Resource Management (in other words, I don't run out of Magic in a fight when I do this) and DPS as I am animation canceling so I get things fired off faster.

So, yes, your Light and Heavy Attacks will do less damage, but you really don't go around using these attacks alone, only as a support for other skill based attacks.

For the record, my full on Stamina Based NB with 2H/DW does not do any light or heavy attacks, at all. I probably should try a Weave with him, but I feel no need to do this.

coryevans_3b14_ESO · June 2015

RAM2191 wrote: »

Why is it so hard to find a build that doesnt put all its attributes into one stat. thats boring. Is it not viable to spread our attributes out? Im only saying this as im going for a Stamina Templar build but my heals will be essentially worthless if i have to put all my attributes into stamina surely?

I am a new player by the way so Im not up to date on all the best ways to spread my points out, Im just commenting on what Ive seen others do.

Any advice greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

I've never tried to find a build so I don't have any idea what you are talking about.

traigusb14_ESO2 · June 2015

RAM2191 wrote: »

On a templar if you go full magicka and health and no stamina wouldnt your light and heavy attacks do next to no damage since you have like zero stamina though? $:\$ I dont want to have to focus on class abilities on their own and not be able to use some of the cool weapon skills and normal attacks as I think I would feel gimped $:\$

Depends on the weapon. Staves scale on magicka.

But yeah, they would do less damage, but not zero.base damage actually.

Think of it this way. All skills have a base damage (which you level up by making them IV).

You then add bonus damage though stats. ( gotten through leveling, gear, glyphs, standing stones and CPs). You aren't subtracting your damage, you are focusing your bonuses.

If you are VR 14 and are using a VR 14 sword and have +0 STA, you still are doing base VR14 sword damage, and could kill 1 baddie in the woods pretty easily with base light and heavy attacks. 3-4 baddies is something else though. Dungeon baddies are tougher of course.

So by putting in points you are saying, I'm ok at everything, but i'm REALLY good at this stuff.

RAM2191 · June 2015

traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »

Depends on the weapon. Staves scale on magicka.

But yeah, they would do less damage, but not zero.base damage actually.

Think of it this way. All skills have a base damage (which you level up by making them IV).

You then add bonus damage though stats. ( gotten through leveling, gear, glyphs, standing stones and CPs). You aren't subtracting your damage, you are focusing your bonuses.

If you are VR 14 and are using a VR 14 sword and have +0 STA, you still are doing base VR14 sword damage, and could kill 1 baddie in the woods pretty easily with base light and heavy attacks. 3-4 baddies is something else though. Dungeon baddies are tougher of course.

So by putting in points you are saying, I'm ok at everything, but i'm REALLY good at this stuff.

ok I see where youre coming from. If I went for a stamina build. would a mundus stone increaseing my magicka be worth it to help out what I would be lacking?

Daveheart · June 2015

People are going to be a lot pickier at end-game. However, before end-game content, the general rule of thumb is to not die to the same thing more than once or twice (if it's a mechanic based death; a tank losing all the aggro isn't isn't a problem that you can fix as a DPS). Pay attention to your death recaps (even screen-shot them if there's something you don't think you'll remember). If you see something in there that's consistently giving you problems, then ask someone else in a guild, group, or here on the forums.

AlnilamE · June 2015

Not really. You still have a "base" stamina amount even if you don't have any points in it.

Also, it would depend on your weapon. If you have staves, then they would draw from Magicka.

But even for Magicka Templars, Dual Wield and 2H are pretty popular these days.

traigusb14_ESO2 · June 2015

RAM2191 wrote: »

traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »

Depends on the weapon. Staves scale on magicka.

But yeah, they would do less damage, but not zero.base damage actually.

Think of it this way. All skills have a base damage (which you level up by making them IV).

You then add bonus damage though stats. ( gotten through leveling, gear, glyphs, standing stones and CPs). You aren't subtracting your damage, you are focusing your bonuses.

If you are VR 14 and are using a VR 14 sword and have +0 STA, you still are doing base VR14 sword damage, and could kill 1 baddie in the woods pretty easily with base light and heavy attacks. 3-4 baddies is something else though. Dungeon baddies are tougher of course.

So by putting in points you are saying, I'm ok at everything, but i'm REALLY good at this stuff.

ok I see where youre coming from. If I went for a stamina build. would a mundus stone increaseing my magicka be worth it to help out what I would be lacking?

Yes. You can also add + Magicka glyphs to your armor. (head, pants and shirt give more pts). Also armor sets often have set bonuses of magika and stamina, or both.

Current min/max theory is add all +sta or +mag to everything once you reach certain levels of health (maybe + dam etc. but in general)

You can also use purple food + all 3 stats... blue food give more pts, but only to 2 stats.

It is also viable to have a smaller magicka pool but really fast magica regen. Especially if you are only using 1 magicka skill/spell

Once you find a set (or 2) of weapons/skills/armor you like, then you can tweak all these things to help get the most out of your choices.

RAM2191 · June 2015

traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »

Yes. You can also add + Magicka glyphs to your armor. (head, pants and shirt give more pts). Also armor sets often have set bonuses of magika and stamina, or both.

Current min/max theory is add all +sta or +mag to everything once you reach certain levels of health (maybe + dam etc. but in general)

You can also use purple food + all 3 stats... blue food give more pts, but only to 2 stats.

It is also viable to have a smaller magicka pool but really fast magica regen. Especially if you are only using 1 magicka skill/spell

Once you find a set (or 2) of weapons/skills/armor you like, then you can tweak all these things to help get the most out of your choices.

ok cool thanks for the insight. one more question would be since Race makes a slight difference. I was going to go Orc or Redguard for stamina build. but Id really like at least some magicka regeneration or an increase pool for magicka. does that mean I have to be an Altmer or breton? cause they really dont appeal to me haha

AlnilamE · June 2015

You can apply regen glyphs to jewelry. You can also use drinks, which increase regen, rather than food, which increases max stat.

As others have pointed out, blue foods increase two stats by a higher value than what the purple food increases all three stats by. And there are blue foods at each level for Health/Magicka, Health/Stamina and Magicka/Stamina, so you can choose which works best for you.

traigusb14_ESO2 · June 2015

RAM2191 wrote: »

traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »

Yes. You can also add + Magicka glyphs to your armor. (head, pants and shirt give more pts). Also armor sets often have set bonuses of magika and stamina, or both.

Current min/max theory is add all +sta or +mag to everything once you reach certain levels of health (maybe + dam etc. but in general)

You can also use purple food + all 3 stats... blue food give more pts, but only to 2 stats.

It is also viable to have a smaller magicka pool but really fast magica regen. Especially if you are only using 1 magicka skill/spell

Once you find a set (or 2) of weapons/skills/armor you like, then you can tweak all these things to help get the most out of your choices.

ok cool thanks for the insight. one more question would be since Race makes a slight difference. I was going to go Orc or Redguard for stamina build. but Id really like at least some magicka regeneration or an increase pool for magicka. does that mean I have to be an Altmer or breton? cause they really dont appeal to me haha

No. since you get STA benefits fro the race, you can find other options to get magicka regen. jewelry is a good choice, there is a mundus stone, you can use drinks (if you aren't using food for stat boosts)

There is usually 3-4 ways to get anything you want. The question is how "permanent" you want it to be.

-Drinks/food are fast to switch.
-Mundus stones are pretty much fast if you have found them /leveled enough to get to them
-Armor/weapons/jewelery not so easy, unless you have other pieces already made and in your inventory.
-Respecing character can be expensive.
-Race is currently unswitchable

Some skills will also buff your regen for short time, or lower casting cost (especially passives).

If you are making a relatively fixed character, ease of switching is not a big deal.

RAM2191 · June 2015

Yeah Im wanting to make a stamina based dps templar to see how it is. But I know with patches stamina can become less viable which is why I would be worried that im a stamina based race on a templar. I really want to use ORC mainly but Id hate to be missing out on the extra stam bonuses from Redguard and possible imperial. and if stamina becomes uselsss in a future patch Id be pretty much screwed with those race/class combos Id think?

Ill definitely be using food and enchants ASAP

traigusb14_ESO2 · June 2015

Nah. My templar is an orc. and He has been 100% magika and 100% sta. I went back to split because it works well for me to play w/ my fiends and do both tanking and healing.

The racial are small bonuses. You never need them for anything ,but they can be nice/helpful Sometimes you read the forums and people are treating 10 less Sta out of 4000 like your character has the plague or something.

Also look into armor passives.,and don't forget you can split armor types and get passives from both.

You could wear mostly medium for STA bonuses from armor, and 2 light for some extra regen and magicka bonuses for self healing etc.

Nestor · June 2015

RAM2191 wrote: »

Yeah Im wanting to make a stamina based dps templar to see how it is.

There is a PTS, which is a Test Server. There is usually a copy of your characters on that, but if your new, it may not have been in the last copy.

But, there is a Template that you can load that gives you a VR14 with all the Skill points to assign out, and a whole bunch of Champion Points. Now, being a VR14, it's pretty OP and you will have to resist the urge to assign all the points that you have to make this test applicable. However you can quickly go through all kinds of builds on there before you try something on your main character.

If you only give your self a L15's worth of Attribute Points and Skill Points, this will be a fairly valid test on a low level character.

IF you go this route, just understand you are downloading another copy of the game, so have the room on your HDD and the time to download this.

Xael · June 2015

RAM2191 wrote: »

Why is it so hard to find a build that doesnt put all its attributes into one stat. thats boring. Is it not viable to spread our attributes out? Im only saying this as im going for a Stamina Templar build but my heals will be essentially worthless if i have to put all my attributes into stamina surely?

I am a new player by the way so Im not up to date on all the best ways to spread my points out, Im just commenting on what Ive seen others do.

Any advice greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

The way abilities scale you want to be one or the other. Doing it half-ass is going to underperform. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant, it's just the way things are

. The only splits people do usually is health and one of the other resources so they don't get 1 shot in Vet Pledges or Raid content.

Being a Stam Templar your heals will suck, yes. This is just the way of things. If you want to have good heals play as magicka. You can still function as a melee, just magicka based. Jabs, Javelin, etc all have magicka morphs and work well while dual wielding (you get more spell damage from having 2 weapons equipped). The only difference is you will not be using weapon line skills, instead relying on your class abilities and Guild stuff.

If you do however wish to be a Stam build there are a few class abilities that are magicka based that you will use. Dark Flare, Repentance, and Channeled Focus will be things you should consider. Otherwise you won't be using much magicka unless you are using the templar charge as dual wield or mistform as a vamp. You can forget about Rushed Ceremony (morphs), it is not worth it. Rally and or Vigor are the obvious choices here.