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Nightblade leveling DW or 2H?

Earelith
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I am planning leveling a nightblade full stamina and medium armor...i want to use a bow for single target damage and "hit and run" style for solo difficult mobs/boss. But on the other weapon slot still cannot decide what to focus on while leveling..2H have more survivability through brawler and rally but DW is more fancy :) and goes better in my eyes for a "scout", "assassin" style of player.

What do you think? Also what are the absolute best skills you wouldnt miss while leveling?
Edited by Earelith on 4 June 2015 13:08
  • LegacyDM
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    We'll depends. Do you want to be OP in pvp? Go two handed and use wrecking blow. Do you want to grind mobs? go steel tornado with dual wield.
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  • Earelith
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    I am interested to leveling, no pvp for now. I know steel tornado is great for aoe but i am a bit worried that with my full stamina medium armor build and DW my defences will be on the bottom..so i dont know if i can really gather many mobs to aoe. This my biggest concern really..if it is viable to leave the defensive capabilities of 2H in favor of DW
    Edited by Earelith on 4 June 2015 13:23
  • Lynx7386
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    I prefer 2h. Magnum shot + critical rush is an extremely powerful comho.
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  • Nestor
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    Earelith wrote: »
    I am interested to leveling, no pvp for now. I know steel tornado is great for aoe but i am a bit worried that with my full stamina medium armor build and DW my defences will be on the bottom..so i dont know if i can really gather many mobs to aoe. This my biggest concern really..if it is viable to leave the defensive capabilities of 2H in favor of DW

    NB's do not have inherent Shields, and they don't have much of a Self Heal (especially Stamina based as Siphon is not good at all with a Stamina Build). I personally never see the usefulness of Siphoning Strikes to regain Health. Every time I slot that skill I tend to just die.

    I have a DW NB and recently went with 2H on him (ironic as that was what he started with at Launch but abandoned because it was not a viable weapon back then). Anyway, the Brawler (IIRC) skill that gives you a shield that increases with each Mob hit does a great job at keeping your NB alive. Also, using a Rotation with 2H skills can be quite powerful to bring down single enemies real fast.

    There are two ways to handle multiple mobs, talking 3 or 4 here. One is to burn down each mob so fast you don't take much damage from the others before they are all dead (Single target DPS), or take down the group all at once (AoE). Of course once you get over 4 mobs, then you pretty much have to AoE. Nice thing is outside of Public Dungeons, you almost never have to face more than 3 or 4 mobs unless you pull them or move too close to another group as you fight them.

    So, long story short, go 2 Handed on your Stamina NB.

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  • Earelith
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    @Nestor Thanks! Really informative reply. One more question. Should i use surprise attack as a spam attack skill or wrecking blow? Does the damage of WB outweights the 30% stamina regen from the shadow passive?
    Edited by Earelith on 4 June 2015 15:23
  • RavenSworn
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    Mirage then steel tornado. Mark the targets before you engage and you wont run out of health.

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  • Cuyler
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    Both?
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  • Jochamo
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    I have a lvl 30 NB stamina build. I started DW, then re-speced 2H, then back to DW. Then, of course, I get my first purple, a 2H, so I switched back.

    Having an abundance of skill points, I decided not to decide. I have three set-ups that I am currently using - Dual/dual, 2h/bow, dual/bow. I guess I ought to create a 2h/dual profile just for completeness sake.

    Long story short, try them both out. Can't hurt to raise both skill lines while leveling.
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    Earelith wrote: »
    @Nestor Thanks! Really informative reply. One more question. Should i use surprise attack as a spam attack skill or wrecking blow? Does the damage of WB outweights the 30% stamina regen from the shadow passive?

    Wrecking Blow has a charge up, so it's not what I call a Spam Attack. But, it is extremely effective at getting mob knocked back so you can use other skills, even another WB.

    I use Critical Rush, Wrecking Blow, Reverse Slash, and either Reverse Slash again or WB then RS again. If anything, I spam Reverse Slash.

    And, don't over look the Utility Skills of a NB. Reapers Mark is something you should use in just about any fight as an Opener. It is also cool as it does not aggro the mob, neat. Plus it gives you a nice heal. So, even with multiple mobs, put it on one of them until they are dead then put it on another one if you can before you kill them. However Shades, Twisting Path, and Fear are all great skills to add into your rotation for the right situations.


    Edited by Nestor on 4 June 2015 15:44
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  • Earelith
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    @Jochamo later on when i have the spare skill points i ll try many things. But early on i need to focus on one plystyle espesially because i also want to level crafting too...

    @Nestor reaping mark is on my list of must have :) both on the bow bar and the 2H. For 2H i was thinking to run reaper mark, surprise attack, shadowy disguise, brawler and critical rush. I would then shadowy disguise with rally. I chose these abilities to also level the skill lines too but i may replace surprise attack with wrecking blow. For ulti, i am thinking to use soul tether..what do you suggest?

    @uniq_faznrb18_ESO too many magicka abilities..i plan having 7 medium armor, all stats to stamina and imperial race..
    Edited by Earelith on 4 June 2015 16:21
  • SirAndy
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    My stamina NB is doing great with the bow and dual wield.
    I went with the DW axes for the extra bleeding effect. Plus, they look really cool on my tiny wood elf.

    If you go DW make sure to use two different enchants for each weapon to trigger the double proc.
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    Edited by SirAndy on 4 June 2015 16:58
  • mwsacto_ESO
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    2 hander. You annihilate things.
  • Xael
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    Earelith wrote: »
    I am planning leveling a nightblade full stamina and medium armor...i want to use a bow for single target damage and "hit and run" style for solo difficult mobs/boss. But on the other weapon slot still cannot decide what to focus on while leveling..2H have more survivability through brawler and rally but DW is more fancy :) and goes better in my eyes for a "scout", "assassin" style of player.

    What do you think? Also what are the absolute best skills you wouldnt miss while leveling?


    Either DW or 2h work just fine. Just keep in mind you want a gap closer. So if you decide to go DW you will rely on Ambush (Teleport morph) to close distance. However I recommend 2h for leveling simply because you get Rally (morph of Momentum) which gives you a heal over time and weapon damage buff. Also you can move about quicker with Charge than Ambush as there is a slight delay with Ambush.

    As far as leveling goes bow is kind of crappy and weak compared to melee unless you are opening from sneak. Outside of that for fast grinding 2h with Charge>Med/Execute weave will kill any non boss mob. As long as you have stam regen going you can keep zipping around cluster to cluster killing.

    Dual Wield is good, particularly Steel Tornado and Flying Blade, however it takes forever to get to Flying Blade unless you are a Dunmer and leveling with the "Training" trait on both your weapons. Even then you won't get Flying Blade for 20+ levels.

    Once you learn combat mechanics and weave all your attacks effortlessly 2h becomes the winner by a huge margin. You get access to Executioner fairly early and you can weave that into Light/Medium attacks and basically 2 shot (Charge + Exe weave) your target.

    Bow is fine and dandy as is DW, but for speed and efficiency, 2h is where it's at. If I were you, I would focus on leveling up all your nightblade skills and their respected lines (ass/shad/siph) and 1 weapon skill. That said, I would have 1 skill from each line (ass/shad/siph) on my bar at all times and 2-3 from the weapon line. Remember your ult can make up as one of the 3.

    As far as skills go, level them all. The only ones you will keep as constant (if you go 2h) are Charge, Executioner, and Rally (when you get it). Before that you can go Brawler if you like for AoE. I want to reiterate, this is for efficiency. Changing to DW in the VR (vet) levels is quite fine as you can keep 2h in your offbar and DW as main and use your 2h bar for buffs. Like Rally, Evil Hunter, Relentless Focus, Percing Mark etc.

    Just remember, as a melee you want a gap closer. As a range you want something to keep distance (magnum), however any hard CC automatically makes your target immune for the next several seconds. The other thing to keep in mind is you will want to buff your damage or survivability. You will like use Double Take (blur morph) for speed / dodge, Rally for Weapon Damage and it's Heal, Grim Focus and whichever morph for extra damage and Evil Hunter for it's extra damage and stamina return. Piercing Mark is another obvious choice for extra damage against your target. So right there you have 5 skills out of a possible 12 and these are just buffs/utility.

    As I tell everyone, you can make the most terrible choices and be the worst player possible and still coast through the storymode. It's really easy and hardly a benchmark for skill or builds. Just use it for leveling and progressing.
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  • Earelith
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    @Xael Thanks for the tips :) I am a bit sceptical for execution skills (killer's blade/Executioner) cause from my experience, if a mob goes down to 25%, you don't really need an increased damage skill to finish it off..in a boss fight, it may be awesome, but on regular mobs.. not to mention that most of the times, the hit you do might get the mob from 30%+ to 10%, so again, the execute skill is mostly overkill.

    I will use 2H :) after reading all your replies. I want the bow only for the opportunity to solo some difficult mobs - outside boss by "hit and run" style..
  • Xael
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    Earelith wrote: »
    @Xael Thanks for the tips :) I am a bit sceptical for execution skills (killer's blade/Executioner) cause from my experience, if a mob goes down to 25%, you don't really need an increased damage skill to finish it off..in a boss fight, it may be awesome, but on regular mobs.. not to mention that most of the times, the hit you do might get the mob from 30%+ to 10%, so again, the execute skill is mostly overkill.

    I will use 2H :) after reading all your replies. I want the bow only for the opportunity to solo some difficult mobs - outside boss by "hit and run" style..

    The execute is not overkill. Yes, it is quite amazing for boss kills, however the Execute from 2h also buffs all your 2h abilities by 18% at rank 4. This also works with Rally (at least last I checked).

    I am not certain you understand what weaving is. With execute, you can weave an attack that one shots your target once it is below 40%. As soon as I begin charging my swing it's insta dead with the weave. Without the Execute ability this would not be possible. Also I can't tell you how useful this is in PvP where a split second matters.

    While bow is fun and nice, you can only magnum shot something once every 3-5 seconds (can't remember how long the immunity lasts). That said, it's going to close distance on you unless you are using a slow at all times. If that is the case, this is going to take a while and one screw up is going to likely wreck things for you.

    If you understand blocking and dodge rolling, a boss and it's melee attacks are not that difficult to out-maneuver. In fact with your dodge buff from double take, you will actually kill these "difficult" bosses faster with dual wield or 2h by just blocking and dodge rolling the necessary attacks. If you already have someone tanking the boss, I suppose you can use Poison Injection and light/medium weaves, though you will do more damage by far with uppercut spams or other melee weaves. Play as you like, though there is a distinct difference between preference and optimum.

    Again though, I say have all 3 maxed out by the time you are in your veteran levels for a better toolset to work with.
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  • Earelith
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    @Xael Thanks a lot :) I admit I do not understand what weaving is..I guess from what I read is a light attack following by a skill in such way, that both land on the same time? Anyway, you dismissed my reasoning for using a bow :) In that case, what would you suggest as a second bar skills?

    Maybe I could use One Hand and Shield, with Deep slash, Defensive Posture, Surprise Attack, Double take and reaper mark just for difficult situations?

    Of course I will try and level all skill lines and abilities. I will do that by changing the abilities before I deliver completed quests.

    Again, thank you for taking the time explaining things out :)
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    Bow with snipe morphed for poison damage is a great distance killer. You can pick off several mobs before they ever get to you.

    For close combat, block and dodge are your friends. I can block/attack/dodge/siphon for ages without ever running out of resources.
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  • Xael
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    Earelith wrote: »
    @Xael Thanks a lot :) I admit I do not understand what weaving is..I guess from what I read is a light attack following by a skill in such way, that both land on the same time? Anyway, you dismissed my reasoning for using a bow :) In that case, what would you suggest as a second bar skills?

    Maybe I could use One Hand and Shield, with Deep slash, Defensive Posture, Surprise Attack, Double take and reaper mark just for difficult situations?

    Of course I will try and level all skill lines and abilities. I will do that by changing the abilities before I deliver completed quests.

    Again, thank you for taking the time explaining things out :)

    Weaving is when you animation cancel and meld 2 abilities together to where they hit together. For example charging your weapon attack, mid charge you activate a skill ability like surprise attack (NightBlade ability) you can make them hit together.

    For your bars that's up to you and how you decide to play. I recommend either having your second bar for turn ins or having it compliment your first bar. Like bar 1 would be your damage bar and bar 2 could be utility for buffs. Again, it's up to you. You can also do bow or just have it there for skill ups. But yeah, get all 3, dw, 2h, and bow. Most importantly though get your class lines up. Just remember, aside from story, nothing really matters pre vet level, just learn combat mechanics and level stuff up so you have more to mess around with later.
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