Major Prophecy/Major Savagery Bug (Inner Light + Flames of Oblivion)

Rylana · May 2015

So a friend of mine discovered a bug I thought was fixed back on PTS, but apparently has not been.

I was able to reproduce the bug reliably on a character.

DK - base spell crit 16% base weapon crit 32.6%

Inner light grants major prophecy +2099 spell crit

DK with inner light. Spell crit 26% weapon crit 32,6%

So inner light gives you 10 percent spell crit.

Okay, but...

Flames of Oblivion (Morph of Inferno) grants Major Prophecy +2099 spell crit and Major Savagery +2099 weapon crit

So I would expect +10% crit to both, but what happens?

Spell crit 36%, Weapon Crit 42.6%

So I get 20 percent spell crit and 10 percent weapon crit.

So either Major prophecy is not giving enough spell crit AND major savagery is not giving enough weapon crit (expected 20 percent on both, regardless of source)

OR

Major prophecy on flames of oblivion is giving twice as much spell crit as its intended to. (expected 10 percent from 2099)

OR

Flames of oblivion is correct on spell crit but not weapon crit, and Inner light is broken on spell crit

Note that I did NOT accidentally try to stack inner light and flames as this doesnt do anything anyway.

Please fix =D

Lazyness · May 2015

This is well known.
The info on you char sheet is giving a wrong %, but both Inner light and SoF/FoO give you 10% crit.

Note that I did NOT accidentally try to stack inner light and flames as this doesnt do anything anyway.

And this..

in you signature I can see your a DK.
Don't throw any wrong announcements in here before you've actually tested things.
Give it a try and you will see your ST DPS will increase when you have both inner light & SoF on your bars.

Rylana · May 2015

Lazyness wrote: »

This is well known.
The info on you char sheet is giving a wrong %, but both Inner light and SoF/FoO give you 10% crit.

Note that I did NOT accidentally try to stack inner light and flames as this doesnt do anything anyway.

And this..

in you signature I can see your a DK.
Don't throw in any announcements in here before you actually test things.
Give it a try and you will see your ST DPS will increase when you have both inner light & SoF on you both bars.

Major buffs are not allowed to stack - 1.6 patch notes.

Also, you sound like youre worried this would result in a nerf of a borked skill. Not my intent, the intent is normalization. If one gives 20 and the other gives 10, they need to be normalized as their tooltips give the same value

Lazyness · May 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Lazyness wrote: »

This is well known.
The info on you char sheet is giving a wrong %, but both Inner light and SoF/FoO give you 10% crit.

Note that I did NOT accidentally try to stack inner light and flames as this doesnt do anything anyway.

And this..

in you signature I can see your a DK.
Don't throw in any announcements in here before you actually test things.
Give it a try and you will see your ST DPS will increase when you have both inner light & SoF on you both bars.

Major buffs are not allowed to stack - 1.6 patch notes.

Do me a favor and test it ok. trust me, your DPS will increase.

Rylana · May 2015

Lazyness wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Lazyness wrote: »

This is well known.
The info on you char sheet is giving a wrong %, but both Inner light and SoF/FoO give you 10% crit.

Note that I did NOT accidentally try to stack inner light and flames as this doesnt do anything anyway.

And this..

in you signature I can see your a DK.
Don't throw in any announcements in here before you actually test things.
Give it a try and you will see your ST DPS will increase when you have both inner light & SoF on you both bars.

Major buffs are not allowed to stack - 1.6 patch notes.

Do me a favor and test it ok. trust me, your DPS will increase.

This issue has nothing to do with alleged buff stacking anyway. My control is to have had only one of each skill on the bar.

The individual skills themselves are not normalized. Do not derail from that.

Lazyness · May 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Lazyness wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Lazyness wrote: »

This is well known.
The info on you char sheet is giving a wrong %, but both Inner light and SoF/FoO give you 10% crit.

Note that I did NOT accidentally try to stack inner light and flames as this doesnt do anything anyway.

And this..

in you signature I can see your a DK.
Don't throw in any announcements in here before you actually test things.
Give it a try and you will see your ST DPS will increase when you have both inner light & SoF on you both bars.

Major buffs are not allowed to stack - 1.6 patch notes.

Do me a favor and test it ok. trust me, your DPS will increase.

This issue has nothing to do with alleged buff stacking anyway. My control is to have had only one of each skill on the bar.

The individual skills themselves are not normalized. Do not derail from that.

Alright.

first of all, i did gave an answer to you question in the first post.
second of all, you're giving wrong information by saying that Inner light + SoF isn't doing anything, which is wrong.

So no, I did not derail from anything and on top of that im actually trying to help.

BEZDNA · May 2015

Rylana, actualy Lazyness is right - befor posting anything you shud first do tests and make sure you that you are right about objects you talk here.

Flames of oblivion and inner light gives you 10% spell crit and it is correct number, they do not stack and when you see that you got 20% crit - it is VISUAL UI bug which does not affect you real stat - you still get 10% spell crit and not 20%.

Rylana · May 2015

BEZDNA wrote: »

Rylana, actualy Lazyness is right - befor posting anything you shud first do tests and make sure you that you are right about objects you talk here.

Flames of oblivion and inner light gives you 10% spell crit and it is correct number, they do not stack and when you see that you got 20% crit - it is VISUAL UI bug which does not affect you real stat - you still get 10% spell crit and not 20%.

A bug is a bug. Visual or not.

Say youre right.

Theres still a bug. It still exists from PTS. Also, if youre right, thats ANOTHER bug. So at the end of the day, the bug report is valid.

Additionally, I dont put much stock in DPS testing as its not a static thing, relies on variables within the game such as mob behavior and assumptions about armor ratings, random number generation for crits (since there are very very very few NPCs a player can actually test on for any length of time to get a truly accurate sample size, we need target dummies badly), and in some cases dumb luck.

Give me a target dummy i could throw 10,000 iterations of say crushing shock on, or even just basic light attacks, and id see any results from that as valid, but some FTC report of a crit rate vs a dungeon boss where there might have been a couple dozen total attacks? Not exactly reliable.

Either way you slice it, the tooltips, charsheet, and then any test results must match. Until that time, its still wrong.

Lazyness · May 2015

Are you frustrated by any chance?

Ive admit in my very first reply, that this is a well known bug and the info on the char sheet is incorrect.
But that if you'd actually test this, that both inner light and SoF give you a 10% raise.

Furthermore, what i was mentioning about stacking SoF and Inner light is NOT a bug.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T STACK.
but fact is, that if you put them both on your bar, your DPS will increase.
Not because you have more spell crit, but because of many other reasons.
And no, I will not explain this any further, because you don't bother listening to people who are willing to help.

Rylana · May 2015

Lazyness wrote: »

Are you frustrated by any chance?

Ive admit in my very first reply, that this is a well known bug and the info on the char sheet is incorrect.
But that if you'd actually test this, that both inner light and SoF give you a 10% raise.

Furthermore, what i was mentioning about stacking SoF and Inner light is NOT a bug.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T STACK.
but fact is, that if you put them both on your bar, your DPS will increase.
Not because you have more spell crit, but because of many other reasons.
And no, I will not explain this any further, because you don't bother listening to people who are willing to help.

No, I am not frustrated at all, youre actually confusing me now. I mean youre acting like I dont know Inner light gives you more magicka which increases damage per attack, or that might of the guild grants empower when you activate a mages guild skill so the next attack does more damage, or that MG passives increase regens and the like.

I mean yeah I KNOW slotting inner light + inferno would naturally increase raw damage, derp. It does not increase your crit rate.

This thread is specifically about CRIT RATE, and so was my statement, as two major prophecies will not stack, therefore that is not the issue.

Are you done trolling? Do I have to tell you that using magelight for a damage increase (since its a toggle) is actually silly because structured entropy is better in every way as its an activatable and not a toggle? Or are you going to keep going out of your way to try to completely bewilder every other reader of the thread by talking about something other than the critical chance values mismatch I was able to reproduce reliably?

Lazyness · May 2015

Note that I did NOT accidentally try to stack inner light and flames as this doesnt do anything anyway.

I mean yeah I KNOW slotting inner light + inferno would naturally increase raw damage, derp. It does not increase your crit rate.

please tell me what i'm missing from above quotes?

Are you done trolling? Do I have to tell you that using magelight for a damage increase (since its a toggle) is actually silly because structured entropy is better in every way? Or are you going to keep going out of your way to try to completely bewilder every other reader of the thread by talking about something other than the critical chance values mismatch I was able to reproduce reliably?

did you ever hear of using potions (panenca of detection) instead of entropy? Do you know they give the same buff?

talking about confusing people..

Fact remains that if you use both inner & FoS on you bar, your DPS will increase.

Zargorius · May 2015

I think the only reliable way is to do some tests although with crit chance it's a bit tricky.

Panacea of Detection? Maybe you mean any pot that give you Major Sorcery, I usually craft ones with Major Sorcery, Major Prophecy and Magicka.

Saying "your DPS will increase" has no meaning. My DPS will increase if I take coffee. State why or avoid wasting people's time. Or there is some bug/exploit that you do not want to make public?

Rylana · May 2015

Lazyness wrote: »

Note that I did NOT accidentally try to stack inner light and flames as this doesnt do anything anyway.

I mean yeah I KNOW slotting inner light + inferno would naturally increase raw damage, derp. It does not increase your crit rate.

please tell me what i'm missing from above quotes?

Are you done trolling? Do I have to tell you that using magelight for a damage increase (since its a toggle) is actually silly because structured entropy is better in every way? Or are you going to keep going out of your way to try to completely bewilder every other reader of the thread by talking about something other than the critical chance values mismatch I was able to reproduce reliably?

did you ever hear of using potions (panenca of detection) instead of entropy? Do you know they give the same buff?

talking about confusing people..

Fact remains that if you use both inner & FoS on you bar, your DPS will increase.

... are you really taking it this far?

Maybe if id said THIS

"Note that I did NOT accidentally try to stack inner light and flames as this doesnt do anything for your crit rate anyway."

You really going on about this because you couldnt read in to my statement to the tune of those four tiny words? The whole post is talking about crit rates, so in my summary it was assumed im talking about crit. Sorry you couldnt make that jump.

Also my detection potions are a different buffset. Columbine, Cornflower, Wormwood. Detect/Unstoppable/Magicka, as I only use those in PvP.

Otherwise I just use tripots on the DK.

Lazyness · May 2015

Ill hope somebody else is willing to help you out.

Good luck

Lazyness · May 2015

Zargorius wrote: »

I think the only reliable way is to do some tests although with crit chance it's a bit tricky.

Panacea of Detection? Maybe you mean any pot that give you Major Sorcery, I usually craft ones with Major Sorcery, Major Prophecy and Magicka.

Saying "your DPS will increase" has no meaning. My DPS will increase if I take coffee. State why or avoid wasting people's time. Or there is some bug/exploit that you do not want to make public?

1. Yes, any potion which will give major sorcery.

2. I don't really feel the need to prove myself right, since you can just take 30 minutes to test it for yourself
You can either say i'm full of ***, or you can go and do some tests.

Cuyler · May 2015

It's a UI bug, purely visual. Was confirmed working as intended after it was brought up in pts. Althooough they never actually fixed the toolips

Valymer · May 2015

Cuyler wrote: »

It's a UI bug, purely visual. Was confirmed working as intended after it was brought up in pts. Althooough they never actually fixed the toolips

God forbid that the game gives us accurate information about our characters and the world around us

Stannum · May 2015

Lazyness wrote: »

Furthermore, what i was mentioning about stacking SoF and Inner light is NOT a bug.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T STACK.
but fact is, that if you put them both on your bar, your DPS will increase.
Not because you have more spell crit, but because of many other reasons.

Not because of MANY other reason.
The reason of higher DPS is that IL also grants you mana pool buff which buffs final dmg of magika based skills

Lazyness · May 2015

dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »

Lazyness wrote: »

Furthermore, what i was mentioning about stacking SoF and Inner light is NOT a bug.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T STACK.
but fact is, that if you put them both on your bar, your DPS will increase.
Not because you have more spell crit, but because of many other reasons.

Not because of MANY other reason.
The reason of higher DPS is that IL also grants you mana pool buff which buffs final dmg of magika based skills

And because of SoF's DoT which can proc Valkynn.
but i'm glad you agree

deleted220103-006055 · May 2015

I think you guys should up the priority of this bug a little bit, because I was leveling Inferno falsely thinking Major Prophesy gave a +20% spell critical buff and was surprised after morphing to Flames of Oblivion that Major Savagery gave only a +10% weapon critical buff. So, I did a search and found this page, say:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1584756/

So, it may be a visual character sheet information error peculiar to Inferno, but it's confusing and for some may even affect their decision to level Inferno in the first place.

Thanks!

Valymer · May 2015

Rule #1 of ESO: Never trust the information that the UI is giving you.

Renaissance · May 2015

Rylana wrote: »

So a friend of mine discovered a bug I thought was fixed back on PTS, but apparently has not been.

I was able to reproduce the bug reliably on a character.

DK - base spell crit 16% base weapon crit 32.6%

Inner light grants major prophecy +2099 spell crit

DK with inner light. Spell crit 26% weapon crit 32,6%

So inner light gives you 10 percent spell crit.

Okay, but...

Flames of Oblivion (Morph of Inferno) grants Major Prophecy +2099 spell crit and Major Savagery +2099 weapon crit

So I would expect +10% crit to both, but what happens?

Spell crit 36%, Weapon Crit 42.6%

So I get 20 percent spell crit and 10 percent weapon crit.

So either Major prophecy is not giving enough spell crit AND major savagery is not giving enough weapon crit (expected 20 percent on both, regardless of source)

OR

Major prophecy on flames of oblivion is giving twice as much spell crit as its intended to. (expected 10 percent from 2099)

OR

Flames of oblivion is correct on spell crit but not weapon crit, and Inner light is broken on spell crit

Note that I did NOT accidentally try to stack inner light and flames as this doesnt do anything anyway.

Please fix =D

LOL what ?
So serious test xD )))
Close thread.