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Some idea about Sorc DPS for PVP/PVE

  • Valymer
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    I'd use Structured Entropy over Surge for a DPS build.

    Why is Inner Light on just your secondary bar? Are you going to re-toggle it every time? That seems troublesome.

    You don't need Streak for PvE (but of course you do for PvP).

    Crystal Fragments on both bars seems unnecessary.


    If I were you, I would work out separate builds for PvE and PvP, because they require some pretty different skills in most cases.

  • SevenLord
    SevenLord
    Valymer wrote: »
    I'd use Structured Entropy over Surge for a DPS build.

    Why is Inner Light on just your secondary bar? Are you going to re-toggle it every time? That seems troublesome.

    You don't need Streak for PvE (but of course you do for PvP).

    Crystal Fragments on both bars seems unnecessary.


    If I were you, I would work out separate builds for PvE and PvP, because they require some pretty different skills in most cases.

    Alright i rethought about this and I'll make 2 builds, one for pvp and one for pve. on the same char.

    PVP: here

    PVE: here

    However I still don't understand why not to use Crystal Fragments on both bars? when it proc its make a lot of dmg+stun quickly so why not?
    Edited by SevenLord on 23 May 2015 17:41
  • Erock25
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    SevenLord wrote: »
    Valymer wrote: »
    I'd use Structured Entropy over Surge for a DPS build.

    Why is Inner Light on just your secondary bar? Are you going to re-toggle it every time? That seems troublesome.

    You don't need Streak for PvE (but of course you do for PvP).

    Crystal Fragments on both bars seems unnecessary.


    If I were you, I would work out separate builds for PvE and PvP, because they require some pretty different skills in most cases.

    Alright i rethought about this and I'll make 2 builds, one for pvp and one for pve. on the same char.

    PVP: here

    PVE: here

    However I still don't understand why not to use Crystal Fragments on both bars? when it proc its make a lot of dmg+stun quickly so why not?

    If you rely on your overload bar for defenses in PVP, you're gonna have a bad time.
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  • Valymer
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    SevenLord wrote: »
    Valymer wrote: »
    I'd use Structured Entropy over Surge for a DPS build.

    Why is Inner Light on just your secondary bar? Are you going to re-toggle it every time? That seems troublesome.

    You don't need Streak for PvE (but of course you do for PvP).

    Crystal Fragments on both bars seems unnecessary.


    If I were you, I would work out separate builds for PvE and PvP, because they require some pretty different skills in most cases.

    Alright i rethought about this and I'll make 2 builds, one for pvp and one for pve. on the same char.

    PVP: here

    PVE: here

    However I still don't understand why not to use Crystal Fragments on both bars? when it proc its make a lot of dmg+stun quickly so why not?

    Well I will only comment on your PvE one, as I just heal with my sorc in Cyrodiil now.

    Your bars are looking a lot better, but first of all I would swap your secondary and primary bars. I mean it doesn't matter which is which, but you will be primarily using the skills on you secondary bar (the way you have it set up now), so why not make it the "primary bar"?

    If you are going to use Hardened Ward in PvE (and I recommend keeping it slotted for most situations), you need it on your secondary bar, not your Overload bar.

    The reason why you don't put CF on both is because Force Pulse is your spammable ability, so the vast majority of your CF procs will come from it (and Entropy). It is just taking up space on your secondary (execute) bar. You can put Hardened Ward there.

    Not sure how many CP you have but personally I would drop Dark Conversion completely. With three legendary cost reduction enchants on your jewels, and with a modest CP investment into the cost reduction and magicka regeneration passives, you aren't going to have any trouble with magicka. You can also enchant your destruction staff with absorb magicka to get a little extra back.

    While having a third bar (the Overload bar) is nice, using normal skills on it is pretty clunky and in general you are only going to be spamming light attack and dropping Liquid Lightning while in Overload form anyways, so by all means fill that tertiary bar up but you aren't going to be using the other 4 skills that much IMO.
  • SevenLord
    SevenLord
    Erock25 wrote: »
    SevenLord wrote: »
    Valymer wrote: »
    I'd use Structured Entropy over Surge for a DPS build.

    Why is Inner Light on just your secondary bar? Are you going to re-toggle it every time? That seems troublesome.

    You don't need Streak for PvE (but of course you do for PvP).

    Crystal Fragments on both bars seems unnecessary.


    If I were you, I would work out separate builds for PvE and PvP, because they require some pretty different skills in most cases.

    Alright i rethought about this and I'll make 2 builds, one for pvp and one for pve. on the same char.

    PVP: here

    PVE: here

    However I still don't understand why not to use Crystal Fragments on both bars? when it proc its make a lot of dmg+stun quickly so why not?

    If you rely on your overload bar for defenses in PVP, you're gonna have a bad time.
    do u have any sorc dps pvp build up to date that I can have a look? So I'll try make it better
    Valymer wrote: »
    SevenLord wrote: »
    Valymer wrote: »
    I'd use Structured Entropy over Surge for a DPS build.

    Why is Inner Light on just your secondary bar? Are you going to re-toggle it every time? That seems troublesome.

    You don't need Streak for PvE (but of course you do for PvP).

    Crystal Fragments on both bars seems unnecessary.


    If I were you, I would work out separate builds for PvE and PvP, because they require some pretty different skills in most cases.

    Alright i rethought about this and I'll make 2 builds, one for pvp and one for pve. on the same char.

    PVP: here

    PVE: here

    However I still don't understand why not to use Crystal Fragments on both bars? when it proc its make a lot of dmg+stun quickly so why not?

    Well I will only comment on your PvE one, as I just heal with my sorc in Cyrodiil now.

    Your bars are looking a lot better, but first of all I would swap your secondary and primary bars. I mean it doesn't matter which is which, but you will be primarily using the skills on you secondary bar (the way you have it set up now), so why not make it the "primary bar"?

    If you are going to use Hardened Ward in PvE (and I recommend keeping it slotted for most situations), you need it on your secondary bar, not your Overload bar.

    The reason why you don't put CF on both is because Force Pulse is your spammable ability, so the vast majority of your CF procs will come from it (and Entropy). It is just taking up space on your secondary (execute) bar. You can put Hardened Ward there.

    Not sure how many CP you have but personally I would drop Dark Conversion completely. With three legendary cost reduction enchants on your jewels, and with a modest CP investment into the cost reduction and magicka regeneration passives, you aren't going to have any trouble with magicka. You can also enchant your destruction staff with absorb magicka to get a little extra back.

    While having a third bar (the Overload bar) is nice, using normal skills on it is pretty clunky and in general you are only going to be spamming light attack and dropping Liquid Lightning while in Overload form anyways, so by all means fill that tertiary bar up but you aren't going to be using the other 4 skills that much IMO.
    PVE: here

    I have made the changes u said, they looks fine to me. I am going to keep the dark conv anyway atm, feels like i need it. at the point that I won't need it anymore i guess i just take it out and put entropy insdeed.
    Edited by SevenLord on 23 May 2015 19:10
  • Valymer
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    @SevenLord What you have now is pretty much what I use for DPS.

    As far as PvP all I can recommend is checking out some of the threads here:

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/forum/classes/sorcerer-class/
  • SevenLord
    SevenLord
    Valymer wrote: »
    @SevenLord What you have now is pretty much what I use for DPS.

    As far as PvP all I can recommend is checking out some of the threads here:

    http://tamrielfoundry.com/forum/classes/sorcerer-class/
    Do you put all yourr point into your mana? or u doing something like 2:1:0?
    I just started my sorc atm and I have 5 point in hp but I am thinking that at soon I'll reset it to full mana..

    And thank you so much for the help mate! :) i really appreciate that!
  • Tankqull
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    no need for hp if the incomming dmg is not mainly mitigated by your shields you are a two hit regardless of your HP.
    but for pve i would recommend ~20points put into Health to not be a 1hit by some bosses :D
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  • SevenLord
    SevenLord
    Tankqull wrote: »
    no need for hp if the incomming dmg is not mainly mitigated by your shields you are a two hit regardless of your HP.
    but for pve i would recommend ~20points put into Health to not be a 1hit by some bosses :D

    so if I'll try to solo pve i must have 20points in hp :\ shame
    If i won't solo I could go full mana right? (while im guess ill have great tank)
  • Valymer
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    I'm not logged in right now but I think I went 20 hp / 42 magicka for the time being
  • Valymer
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    The goal is to reach 18k+ hp with blue food and no emp buff (for endgame pve). How you get there is largely up to you but some of it probably needs to come from attributes
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