Caltrops is NOT a melee attack

Rook_Master · April 2015

Yeah, I know you spent a ton of gold on your Ravager set. I don't care.

Melee procs like Ravager and Red Diamond should not work on Caltrops.

Zenimax, please fix this.

Thanks,

OrphanHelgen · April 2015

Agree, but this is only because I dont have caltrops or ravager set myself.

Father · April 2015

NO WAY.

asteldian · April 2015

Neither are bow attacks, do they not proc ravagers? I always viewed it as lazy tooltips which should actually just say physical attacks, or even stamina based attacks.

Rook_Master · April 2015

asteldian wrote: »

Neither are bow attacks, do they not proc ravagers? I always viewed it as lazy tooltips which should actually just say physical attacks, or even stamina based attacks.

Are you serious, bow attacks proc ravagers as well?

Maybe we can make a list in this thread of all the ranged attacks that count as 'melee'.

kungmoo · April 2015

ive never had my bow proc ravager

Huggernaut · April 2015

Allow me to help!

olsborg · April 2015

thats dumb, fix pls

xMovingTarget · April 2015

Huggernaut wrote: »

Allow me to help!

Do they also have real life version? I need that.

Rook_Master · April 2015

If wanting bug fixes that cause certain sets to be OP is being 'butt hurt' then yes, I am.

For the record, I own a Ravager set. I still think Caltrops should not count as a 'melee' attack.

Shader_Shibes · April 2015

Yeh it's kinda dumb that caltrops procs it. I have ravager set that i only use on my templar and don't use caltrops personally, jabs procs it enough for me.

eventide03b14a_ESO · April 2015

Who cares? It procs meteor too, should people stop using it for that?

Rook_Master · April 2015

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Who cares? It procs meteor too, should people stop using it for that?

The tooltip for Valkyn says any DoT, so I think it's working as intended there.

The issue is for procs on tooltips that specifically say 'melee', which should not work for Caltrops.

Hamrammur · April 2015

The tool-tip for Ravager says weapon damage, not meele damage, Caltrops damage is effected by weapon damage, therefore an physical attack. Physical attacks are stamina based. So weapon attacks and all other stamina based attacks are considered as physical attacks.

The simple way to fix this is to change the tool-tip on the ravager set to physical damage rather than weapon attack, although imo unnecessary as weapon damage and physical damage are one and the same.

Rook_Master · April 2015

Hamrammur wrote: »

The tool-tip for Ravager says weapon damage, not meele damage, Caltrops damage is effected by weapon damage, therefore an physical attack. Physical attacks are stamina based. So weapon attacks and all other stamina based attacks are considered as physical attacks.

The simple way to fix this is to change the tool-tip on the ravager set to physical damage rather than weapon attack, although imo unnecessary as weapon damage and physical damage are one and the same.

Nice try, but you're wrong.

Teiji · April 2015

Rook_Master wrote: »

...but you're POSSIBLY / LIKELY wrong.

None of us here know if the person doing the Tooltips was doing an extra 2 hours for his / her shift to help out, due to being tired and drinking numerous energy drinks - instead of typing physical damage they typed melee damage because with so many energy drinks in their system; "It's the same thing." was on the agenda.

This is a definite possibility.

To be confirmed, as and when by our illustrious Zenimax overlords do so.

Hail Boethiah, praise be to Azura, debauchery in honor of our mistress Mephala!

#TooltipsHaveBeenWrongBefore
#NerfNerfing
#EPScrubOut

Rook_Master · April 2015

Teiji wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

...but you're POSSIBLY / LIKELY wrong.

None of us here know if the person doing the Tooltips was doing an extra 2 hours for his / her shift to help out, due to being tired and drinking numerous energy drinks - instead of typing physical damage they typed melee damage because with so many energy drinks in their system; "It's the same thing." was on the agenda.

This is a definite possibility.

To be confirmed, as and when by our illustrious Zenimax overlords do so.

Hail Boethiah, praise be to Azura, debauchery in honor of our mistress Mephala!

#TooltipsHaveBeenWrongBefore
#NerfNerfing
#EPScrubOut

The tooltip could very well be wrong. However, one of these things needs to happen:

1. The tooltip on Ravager and Red Diamond is edited to say 'weapon' or 'physical' damage.
2. The code is edited for Caltrops so it doesn't count as a 'melee' attack.

Joy_Division · April 2015

So many other things I rather them see fixed first. And I don't even use caltrops or ravager and am not an Imperial.

xaraan · April 2015

I've said this many times. Caltrops counting as a melee attacks makes it OP for several powers, not just ravager and red diamond. Fixing this would go a long way to fixing several other issues without having to address those powers separately.

akray21 · April 2015

Rook_Master wrote: »

Yeah, I know you spent a ton of gold on your Ravager set. I don't care.

Melee procs like Ravager and Red Diamond should not work on Caltrops.

Zenimax, please fix this.

Thanks,

What about siphoning attacks?

Rook_Master · April 2015

akray21 wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Yeah, I know you spent a ton of gold on your Ravager set. I don't care.

Melee procs like Ravager and Red Diamond should not work on Caltrops.

Zenimax, please fix this.

Thanks,

What about siphoning attacks?

Siphoning Strikes tooltip clearly says 'weapon attacks.'

The issue is Caltrops, people.

Shunravi · April 2015

Rook_Master wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Yeah, I know you spent a ton of gold on your Ravager set. I don't care.

Melee procs like Ravager and Red Diamond should not work on Caltrops.

Zenimax, please fix this.

Thanks,

What about siphoning attacks?

Siphoning Strikes tooltip clearly says 'weapon attacks.'

The issue is Caltrops, people.

Siphoning attacks tooltip clearly states 'all attacks.'

And it is indeed 'all attacks'

Gorthax · April 2015

and meteor isnt a spell projectile but it is reflected by flappy flap and a freaking shield.........nothing to see here carry on

Rook_Master · April 2015

Shunravi wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Yeah, I know you spent a ton of gold on your Ravager set. I don't care.

Melee procs like Ravager and Red Diamond should not work on Caltrops.

Zenimax, please fix this.

Thanks,

What about siphoning attacks?

Siphoning Strikes tooltip clearly says 'weapon attacks.'

The issue is Caltrops, people.

Siphoning attacks tooltip clearly states 'all attacks.'

And it is indeed 'all attacks'

Since we had to go here, the actual terminology is 'basic attack'

I believe that means any light or heavy attack with any weapon. Again, not really an issue here.

Shunravi · April 2015

Rook_Master wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Yeah, I know you spent a ton of gold on your Ravager set. I don't care.

Melee procs like Ravager and Red Diamond should not work on Caltrops.

Zenimax, please fix this.

Thanks,

What about siphoning attacks?

Siphoning Strikes tooltip clearly says 'weapon attacks.'

The issue is Caltrops, people.

Siphoning attacks tooltip clearly states 'all attacks.'

And it is indeed 'all attacks'

Since we had to go here, the actual terminology is 'basic attack'

I believe that means any light or heavy attack with any weapon. Again, not really an issue here.

Read that again.

And since we apparently have to go there (it's bottom left)

The terminology is 'all attacks'

Alcast · April 2015

Caltrops is a melee attack, caltrops damage you RIGHT UNDER YOUR FEET.

Also ZOS definition of Melee is everything that has RANGE LESS THAN 8meters.

There is a bug though, ccaltrops dont stack over each other so only 1 player does damage. They should fix that.

Rook_Master wrote: »

asteldian wrote: »

Neither are bow attacks, do they not proc ravagers? I always viewed it as lazy tooltips which should actually just say physical attacks, or even stamina based attacks.

Are you serious, bow attacks proc ravagers as well?

Maybe we can make a list in this thread of all the ranged attacks that count as 'melee'.

Bow attacks dont Proc Ravager

Rook_Master · April 2015

Shunravi wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Yeah, I know you spent a ton of gold on your Ravager set. I don't care.

Melee procs like Ravager and Red Diamond should not work on Caltrops.

Zenimax, please fix this.

Thanks,

What about siphoning attacks?

Siphoning Strikes tooltip clearly says 'weapon attacks.'

The issue is Caltrops, people.

Siphoning attacks tooltip clearly states 'all attacks.'

And it is indeed 'all attacks'

Since we had to go here, the actual terminology is 'basic attack'

I believe that means any light or heavy attack with any weapon. Again, not really an issue here.

Read that again.

And since we apparently have to go there (it's bottom left)

The terminology is 'all attacks'

OK, that morph is for 'all attacks' You're right.

So what?

My thread is about tooltips that say 'melee' damage being procced by Caltrops.

So why did you have to derail the thread again?

Shunravi · April 2015

Rook_Master wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Yeah, I know you spent a ton of gold on your Ravager set. I don't care.

Melee procs like Ravager and Red Diamond should not work on Caltrops.

Zenimax, please fix this.

Thanks,

What about siphoning attacks?

Siphoning Strikes tooltip clearly says 'weapon attacks.'

The issue is Caltrops, people.

Siphoning attacks tooltip clearly states 'all attacks.'

And it is indeed 'all attacks'

Since we had to go here, the actual terminology is 'basic attack'

I believe that means any light or heavy attack with any weapon. Again, not really an issue here.

Read that again.

And since we apparently have to go there (it's bottom left)

The terminology is 'all attacks'

OK, that morph is for 'all attacks' You're right.

So what?

My thread is about tooltips that say 'melee' damage being procced by Caltrops.

So why did you have to derail the thread again?

Because it is part of the discussion since you asserted what you did in relation to the two abilities. I merely wanted to point something out, but you went further with it, so I did too. The post you replied to stated 'attacks' not 'strikes.' Nitpicking, sure, but it's an import and distinction. Especially in the context of this thread.

Rook_Master · April 2015

Shunravi wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Yeah, I know you spent a ton of gold on your Ravager set. I don't care.

Melee procs like Ravager and Red Diamond should not work on Caltrops.

Zenimax, please fix this.

Thanks,

What about siphoning attacks?

Siphoning Strikes tooltip clearly says 'weapon attacks.'

The issue is Caltrops, people.

Siphoning attacks tooltip clearly states 'all attacks.'

And it is indeed 'all attacks'

Since we had to go here, the actual terminology is 'basic attack'

I believe that means any light or heavy attack with any weapon. Again, not really an issue here.

Read that again.

And since we apparently have to go there (it's bottom left)

The terminology is 'all attacks'

OK, that morph is for 'all attacks' You're right.

So what?

My thread is about tooltips that say 'melee' damage being procced by Caltrops.

So why did you have to derail the thread again?

Because it is part of the discussion since you asserted what you did in relation to the two abilities. I merely wanted to point something out, but you went further with it, so I did too. The post you replied to stated 'attacks' not 'strikes.' Nitpicking, sure, but it's an import and distinction. Especially in the context of this thread.

OK, so, putting aside Siphoning Strikes, as it turns out you were right about the morph, how do you feel about Caltrops counting as 'melee'?

EisregenX90 · April 2015

And why are caltropes not melee? You habe to stand in them wich i consider melee very well

Gorthax · April 2015

Shunravi wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Yeah, I know you spent a ton of gold on your Ravager set. I don't care.

Melee procs like Ravager and Red Diamond should not work on Caltrops.

Zenimax, please fix this.

Thanks,

What about siphoning attacks?

Siphoning Strikes tooltip clearly says 'weapon attacks.'

The issue is Caltrops, people.

Siphoning attacks tooltip clearly states 'all attacks.'

And it is indeed 'all attacks'

Since we had to go here, the actual terminology is 'basic attack'

I believe that means any light or heavy attack with any weapon. Again, not really an issue here.

Read that again.

And since we apparently have to go there (it's bottom left)

The terminology is 'all attacks'

OK, that morph is for 'all attacks' You're right.

So what?

My thread is about tooltips that say 'melee' damage being procced by Caltrops.

So why did you have to derail the thread again?

Because it is part of the discussion since you asserted what you did in relation to the two abilities. I merely wanted to point something out, but you went further with it, so I did too. The post you replied to stated 'attacks' not 'strikes.' Nitpicking, sure, but it's an import and distinction. Especially in the context of this thread.