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ESO "endgame"

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Is ESO just another grind raids game?
Or is it other ways u can progress your characters and get endgame gear??
If it just raids and Group dungeons to do after 50 its a big FAIL.
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  • Robotmafia
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    well if you don't like raiding and end game dungeons for progression at the end game level, then MMOs probably aren't for you...
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  • Robotmafia
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    what else would you want end game gear for other than being able to complete difficult end game content?
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  • Ley
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    After 50 you get to enjoy 12 more maps worth of quest content before you reach vr14; then you can start worrying about gear.

    As far as gear goes, depending on what sets you want, you can either craft your gear, do raids/dungeons , daily undaunted pledges, farm some solo pve locations for set items, pvp or buy it from other players. There is some end game gear that can only be gotten through raids. It really depends on what sets you want.
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    sweetasme wrote: »
    Is ESO just another grind raids game?
    Or is it other ways u can progress your characters and get endgame gear??
    If it just raids and Group dungeons to do after 50 its a big FAIL.

    It sadly has come to this, another raid or die treadmill for non MMO players, but dungeon dwellers who are happy to farm the same bosses for months ;) .
    But don't worry, the times are changing and the companies have finally realized that Raid MMOs are a thing of the past. ;) They all went F2P and sooner or later the more important things like housing, quest and story zones, crafting, world pvp will return!

    Since ESO is F2P now too, you don't lose anything If you log in from time to time. I would assume non raid content is in the works, how else will they motivate past subscribers to come back? They all left due the massive raid content that was made while the other stuff was forgotten, so I am very optimistic that towards the end of the year ESO might find its way back to the MMO originals.

    Its important to say however, the raid or die treadmill starts at VR 10 with Craglorn, until then you have a lot of new and unique content to discover.
    Edited by Audigy on 21 April 2015 15:39
  • Menelaos
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    Killing an Elite Guard in town is endgame, I suppose...
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    sweetasme wrote: »
    Is ESO just another grind raids game?
    Or is it other ways u can progress your characters and get endgame gear??
    If it just raids and Group dungeons to do after 50 its a big FAIL.

    Once you complete the VR grind.. which as pointed out is 12 more maps (all the content from the other two factions) of what seems like a never-ending quest grind from VR1 to VR14.. then yes it's about raiding.

    Or PvP.

    Pick your poison.
  • Maudieu
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    "End game" to me is PvP. Doing the same scripted fights over and over is boring.
  • Pirhana7_ESO
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    The best gear actually comes from Crafters for the most part. As for the endgame... alot of people play this for the seige warfare endgame in Cyrodiil, you can also get gear from doing that. dungeons and trials are a PVE option
  • Shunravi
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    Audigy wrote: »
    sweetasme wrote: »
    Is ESO just another grind raids game?
    Or is it other ways u can progress your characters and get endgame gear??
    If it just raids and Group dungeons to do after 50 its a big FAIL.

    It sadly has come to this, another raid or die treadmill for non MMO players, but dungeon dwellers who are happy to farm the same bosses for months ;) .

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    You get end game gear for completing end game content. What is the question again?
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  • Eliteseraph
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    Audigy wrote: »

    Its important to say however, the raid or die treadmill starts at VR 10 with Craglorn, until then you have a lot of new and unique content to discover.

    New an unique?

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    Edited by Eliteseraph on 21 April 2015 19:55
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  • Robotmafia
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    Audigy wrote: »
    sweetasme wrote: »
    Is ESO just another grind raids game?
    Or is it other ways u can progress your characters and get endgame gear??
    If it just raids and Group dungeons to do after 50 its a big FAIL.

    It sadly has come to this, another raid or die treadmill for non MMO players, but dungeon dwellers who are happy to farm the same bosses for months ;) .
    But don't worry, the times are changing and the companies have finally realized that Raid MMOs are a thing of the past. ;) They all went F2P and sooner or later the more important things like housing, quest and story zones, crafting, world pvp will return!

    Since ESO is F2P now too, you don't lose anything If you log in from time to time. I would assume non raid content is in the works, how else will they motivate past subscribers to come back? They all left due the massive raid content that was made while the other stuff was forgotten, so I am very optimistic that towards the end of the year ESO might find its way back to the MMO originals.

    Its important to say however, the raid or die treadmill starts at VR 10 with Craglorn, until then you have a lot of new and unique content to discover.

    how is completing challenging encounters with a coordinated group of 12 or 20 or w/e amount of players with guildies/friends with the reward of desirable items a sad thing?

    Questing and stories are all good fun but not really the main focus of an mmo... otherwise u can just buy single or coop games... what I see as the real attraction is complete the above mentioned challenges and PVPing in small and large grps
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  • LordSkyKnight
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    Lmao you just can't win can you.

    People whine about the extra questing with the VR ranks.
    People whine about end game group content and raids.
    People whine about PvP.

    What do you people want? Geez.
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  • Genomic
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    Lmao you just can't win can you.

    People whine about the extra questing with the VR ranks.
    People whine about end game group content and raids.
    People whine about PvP.

    What do you people want? Geez.

    It's ... it's almost like different people like and dislike different things. But that's crazy talk.
  • Seth_Black
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    I'm pretty much happy with everything in game so far.
    Still completing Veteran Dungeon achievements, missing last boss killed in Sanctum and all trials in hard mode.
    Testing new builds and stuff on my character since every drop set is completely different it feels like possibilities are just endless. Still feel like there's much to do anyway.

    You know... intelligent people don't get bored easily :wink:
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  • PKMN12
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    um, you do realize MMO endgame will ALWAYS be either PVP or raids/group dungeons, right?
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    To be honest ESO feels more like Quests and Crafting Endgame. Which is good.
    To all the people who think Endgame in an MMO should be PvP zergs, or PvE mindless grinding are wrong.
    I mean fine ESO PvP is at least very good, however Raids are very outdated concept by now in this genre.
    If you want an MMO to rely just on Raids it will surely fail, which is right now happening to WoD.
    Casuals don't care for the group content, they will leave as soon as there is no solo content available anymore.
    You might be thinking "but it's an MMO, people play it because of grouping and other players", if only that were true.
    Sure it's an MMO, however the big majority of players are "solo players".
    Edited by Bloodfang on 22 April 2015 11:51
  • PKMN12
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    Bloodfang wrote: »
    To be honest ESO feels more like Quests and Crafting Endgame. Which is good.
    To all the people who think Endgame in an MMO should be PvP zergs, or PvE mindless grinding are wrong.
    I mean fine ESO PvP is at least very good, however Raids are very outdated concept by now in this genre.
    If you want an MMO to rely just on Raids it will surely fail, which is right now happening to WoD.
    Casuals don't care for the group content, they will leave as soon as there is no solo content available anymore.
    You might be thinking "but it's an MMO, people play it because of grouping and other players", if only that were true.
    Sure it's an MMO, however the big majority of players are casuals.

    yeah, sure WoD is "failing", you do realize WOW has even MORE subs than it has had in a while (And mind you even at its lowest, it still had more then most other mmos would even have)

    please name one successful MMO where raiding and/or PVP are not the major endgame activities.
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    To be honest... In ESO you don't need to do end game content to get end game gear.

    Ok, end game gear for me isn't necessarily the gear you get from raids but more like BiS or "Best for my build".
    As most BiS gear is tradeable or even craftable you don't have to take a single step into a trial to get the top gear for your build to get to what I would call "end game" tanking, healing or damaging regions.

    So no, you don't need to grind in ESO to get "end game gear" but what else do you want to use your gear for if not trials, dungeosn and PvP (end game content)?
    Edited by Legedric on 22 April 2015 11:58
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  • Bloodfang
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    PKMN12 wrote: »
    Bloodfang wrote: »
    To be honest ESO feels more like Quests and Crafting Endgame. Which is good.
    To all the people who think Endgame in an MMO should be PvP zergs, or PvE mindless grinding are wrong.
    I mean fine ESO PvP is at least very good, however Raids are very outdated concept by now in this genre.
    If you want an MMO to rely just on Raids it will surely fail, which is right now happening to WoD.
    Casuals don't care for the group content, they will leave as soon as there is no solo content available anymore.
    You might be thinking "but it's an MMO, people play it because of grouping and other players", if only that were true.
    Sure it's an MMO, however the big majority of players are casuals.

    yeah, sure WoD is "failing", you do realize WOW has even MORE subs than it has had in a while (And mind you even at its lowest, it still had more then most other mmos would even have)

    please name one successful MMO where raiding and/or PVP are not the major endgame activities.

    Blizzard didn't even post the Q1 report lol, and it's about to be May. The fact is the realms aren't even at 1/3 of players than what they had at the launch of WoD. But anyways WoD never had more than 3mil subs in the West anyway. It's easy to market your "Subs" number when you have 70% of your playerbase from Asia where spending 1 hour in WoW already counts as a Sub. I'd be surprised if they have more than 1.5mil subs now in the West.

    ESO, SWTOR, GW2? All these games don't depend on the "Endgame" as much as others do. Considering SWTOR is at 500k subs and 2mil active players, ESO probably doing even better at that, and GW2 already acclaimed as best MMO of all time (well that was before ESO launched, so I'd say post update 6 ESO took that crown).

    As you can see modern MMOs are changing the genre. Yes WoW is still very popular, however it's a kids game so it's spreading like a plague anyway. The more mature people leave them, the more kids join the party.
    Edited by Bloodfang on 22 April 2015 12:03
  • PKMN12
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    Bloodfang wrote: »
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    Bloodfang wrote: »
    To be honest ESO feels more like Quests and Crafting Endgame. Which is good.
    To all the people who think Endgame in an MMO should be PvP zergs, or PvE mindless grinding are wrong.
    I mean fine ESO PvP is at least very good, however Raids are very outdated concept by now in this genre.
    If you want an MMO to rely just on Raids it will surely fail, which is right now happening to WoD.
    Casuals don't care for the group content, they will leave as soon as there is no solo content available anymore.
    You might be thinking "but it's an MMO, people play it because of grouping and other players", if only that were true.
    Sure it's an MMO, however the big majority of players are casuals.

    yeah, sure WoD is "failing", you do realize WOW has even MORE subs than it has had in a while (And mind you even at its lowest, it still had more then most other mmos would even have)

    please name one successful MMO where raiding and/or PVP are not the major endgame activities.

    Blizzard didn't even post the Q1 report lol, and it's about to be May. The fact is the realms aren't even at 1/3 of players than what they had at the launch of WoD. But anyways WoD never had more than 3mil subs in the West anyway. It's easy to market your "Subs" number when you have 70% of your playerbase from Asia where spending 1 hour in WoW already counts as a Sub. I'd be surprised if they have more than 1.5mil subs now in the West.

    ESO, SWTOR, GW2? All these games don't depend on the "Endgame" as much as others do. Considering SWTOR is at 500k subs and 2mil active players, ESO probably doing even better at that, and GW2 already acclaimed as best MMO of all time (well that was before ESO launched, so I'd say post update 6 ESO took that crown).

    As you can see modern MMOs are changing the genre. Yes WoW is still very popular, however it's a kids game so it's spreading like a plague anyway. The more mature people leave them, the more kids join the party.

    um, WOW you must be blind, yes all three of those, the endgame content is either PVP or endgame dungeons. GW2 major problem is it has had no actual content update for 3 YEARS! please, explain to me, in terms of actual, viable endgame content that helps you progress, what is there to do in ANY of these games besides PVP or Raid.

    also, "GW2, best MMO of all time" This HAS to be a joke, no one is THAT delusional to think that.
    Edited by PKMN12 on 22 April 2015 12:08
  • Bloodfang
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    PKMN12 wrote: »
    Bloodfang wrote: »
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    Bloodfang wrote: »
    To be honest ESO feels more like Quests and Crafting Endgame. Which is good.
    To all the people who think Endgame in an MMO should be PvP zergs, or PvE mindless grinding are wrong.
    I mean fine ESO PvP is at least very good, however Raids are very outdated concept by now in this genre.
    If you want an MMO to rely just on Raids it will surely fail, which is right now happening to WoD.
    Casuals don't care for the group content, they will leave as soon as there is no solo content available anymore.
    You might be thinking "but it's an MMO, people play it because of grouping and other players", if only that were true.
    Sure it's an MMO, however the big majority of players are casuals.

    yeah, sure WoD is "failing", you do realize WOW has even MORE subs than it has had in a while (And mind you even at its lowest, it still had more then most other mmos would even have)

    please name one successful MMO where raiding and/or PVP are not the major endgame activities.

    Blizzard didn't even post the Q1 report lol, and it's about to be May. The fact is the realms aren't even at 1/3 of players than what they had at the launch of WoD. But anyways WoD never had more than 3mil subs in the West anyway. It's easy to market your "Subs" number when you have 70% of your playerbase from Asia where spending 1 hour in WoW already counts as a Sub. I'd be surprised if they have more than 1.5mil subs now in the West.

    ESO, SWTOR, GW2? All these games don't depend on the "Endgame" as much as others do. Considering SWTOR is at 500k subs and 2mil active players, ESO probably doing even better at that, and GW2 already acclaimed as best MMO of all time (well that was before ESO launched, so I'd say post update 6 ESO took that crown).

    As you can see modern MMOs are changing the genre. Yes WoW is still very popular, however it's a kids game so it's spreading like a plague anyway. The more mature people leave them, the more kids join the party.

    um, WOW you must be blind, yes all three of those, the endgame content is either PVP or endgame dungeons. GW2 major problem is it has had no actual content update for 3 YEARS!

    also, "GW2, best MMO of all time" This HAS to be a joke, no one is THAT delusional to think that.

    Well personally I don't like GW2 much, but what other MMO was out there better anyway? Rift was good but still tab-targetting, FFXIV is just another improved WoW clone, Tera did everthing wrong apart from Combat. WoW is still the old outdated game with outdated systems in place. Seriously there wasn't 1 MMO around that came close to GW2 till ESO.
  • PKMN12
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    Bloodfang wrote: »
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    Bloodfang wrote: »
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    Bloodfang wrote: »
    To be honest ESO feels more like Quests and Crafting Endgame. Which is good.
    To all the people who think Endgame in an MMO should be PvP zergs, or PvE mindless grinding are wrong.
    I mean fine ESO PvP is at least very good, however Raids are very outdated concept by now in this genre.
    If you want an MMO to rely just on Raids it will surely fail, which is right now happening to WoD.
    Casuals don't care for the group content, they will leave as soon as there is no solo content available anymore.
    You might be thinking "but it's an MMO, people play it because of grouping and other players", if only that were true.
    Sure it's an MMO, however the big majority of players are casuals.

    yeah, sure WoD is "failing", you do realize WOW has even MORE subs than it has had in a while (And mind you even at its lowest, it still had more then most other mmos would even have)

    please name one successful MMO where raiding and/or PVP are not the major endgame activities.

    Blizzard didn't even post the Q1 report lol, and it's about to be May. The fact is the realms aren't even at 1/3 of players than what they had at the launch of WoD. But anyways WoD never had more than 3mil subs in the West anyway. It's easy to market your "Subs" number when you have 70% of your playerbase from Asia where spending 1 hour in WoW already counts as a Sub. I'd be surprised if they have more than 1.5mil subs now in the West.

    ESO, SWTOR, GW2? All these games don't depend on the "Endgame" as much as others do. Considering SWTOR is at 500k subs and 2mil active players, ESO probably doing even better at that, and GW2 already acclaimed as best MMO of all time (well that was before ESO launched, so I'd say post update 6 ESO took that crown).

    As you can see modern MMOs are changing the genre. Yes WoW is still very popular, however it's a kids game so it's spreading like a plague anyway. The more mature people leave them, the more kids join the party.

    um, WOW you must be blind, yes all three of those, the endgame content is either PVP or endgame dungeons. GW2 major problem is it has had no actual content update for 3 YEARS!

    also, "GW2, best MMO of all time" This HAS to be a joke, no one is THAT delusional to think that.

    Well personally I don't like GW2 much, but what other MMO was out there better anyway? Rift was good but still tab-targetting, FFXIV is just another improved WoW clone, Tera did everthing wrong apart from Combat. WoW is still the old outdated game with outdated systems in place. Seriously there wasn't 1 MMO around that came close to GW2 till ESO.

    ok, it get it, it is YOUR opinion that it is the best MMO out there, because everyone with common sense will tell you no, not at all. WOW still has a larger player base then every single one of them COMBINED, except for FF14, which is the ONLY successful P2P MMO in around 10 years. ESO FAILED, SWtor, FAILED even harder, GW2, not even teh devs really care about that game.
  • Bloodfang
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    PKMN12 wrote: »
    Bloodfang wrote: »
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    Bloodfang wrote: »
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    Bloodfang wrote: »
    To be honest ESO feels more like Quests and Crafting Endgame. Which is good.
    To all the people who think Endgame in an MMO should be PvP zergs, or PvE mindless grinding are wrong.
    I mean fine ESO PvP is at least very good, however Raids are very outdated concept by now in this genre.
    If you want an MMO to rely just on Raids it will surely fail, which is right now happening to WoD.
    Casuals don't care for the group content, they will leave as soon as there is no solo content available anymore.
    You might be thinking "but it's an MMO, people play it because of grouping and other players", if only that were true.
    Sure it's an MMO, however the big majority of players are casuals.

    yeah, sure WoD is "failing", you do realize WOW has even MORE subs than it has had in a while (And mind you even at its lowest, it still had more then most other mmos would even have)

    please name one successful MMO where raiding and/or PVP are not the major endgame activities.

    Blizzard didn't even post the Q1 report lol, and it's about to be May. The fact is the realms aren't even at 1/3 of players than what they had at the launch of WoD. But anyways WoD never had more than 3mil subs in the West anyway. It's easy to market your "Subs" number when you have 70% of your playerbase from Asia where spending 1 hour in WoW already counts as a Sub. I'd be surprised if they have more than 1.5mil subs now in the West.

    ESO, SWTOR, GW2? All these games don't depend on the "Endgame" as much as others do. Considering SWTOR is at 500k subs and 2mil active players, ESO probably doing even better at that, and GW2 already acclaimed as best MMO of all time (well that was before ESO launched, so I'd say post update 6 ESO took that crown).

    As you can see modern MMOs are changing the genre. Yes WoW is still very popular, however it's a kids game so it's spreading like a plague anyway. The more mature people leave them, the more kids join the party.

    um, WOW you must be blind, yes all three of those, the endgame content is either PVP or endgame dungeons. GW2 major problem is it has had no actual content update for 3 YEARS!

    also, "GW2, best MMO of all time" This HAS to be a joke, no one is THAT delusional to think that.

    Well personally I don't like GW2 much, but what other MMO was out there better anyway? Rift was good but still tab-targetting, FFXIV is just another improved WoW clone, Tera did everthing wrong apart from Combat. WoW is still the old outdated game with outdated systems in place. Seriously there wasn't 1 MMO around that came close to GW2 till ESO.

    ok, it get it, it is YOUR opinion that it is the best MMO out there, because everyone with common sense will tell you no, not at all. WOW still has a larger player base then every single one of them COMBINED, except for FF14, which is the ONLY successful P2P MMO in around 10 years. ESO FAILED, SWtor, FAILED even harder, GW2, not even teh devs really care about that game.

    Most popular doesn't equal to good. WoW is just like Justin Bieber. Famous but crap.
    I've played WoW for 7 years and pretty much every MMO that came after it, most of them were actually better. They weren't as succesfull because they were just Clones, sure they were better but still Clones at it. And people dislike changes or playing the same thing over and over again.

    GW2 was lucky there was no decent inovation in MMO genre for years, so they stepped it up and showed what a Modern MMO needs to be. Perhaps ESO has a lot to thank to GW2 (AvA + Great Action Combat).

    Oh and there is a reason why is WoW the most hated game of all time.
  • PKMN12
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    Bloodfang wrote: »
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    Bloodfang wrote: »
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    Bloodfang wrote: »
    PKMN12 wrote: »
    Bloodfang wrote: »
    To be honest ESO feels more like Quests and Crafting Endgame. Which is good.
    To all the people who think Endgame in an MMO should be PvP zergs, or PvE mindless grinding are wrong.
    I mean fine ESO PvP is at least very good, however Raids are very outdated concept by now in this genre.
    If you want an MMO to rely just on Raids it will surely fail, which is right now happening to WoD.
    Casuals don't care for the group content, they will leave as soon as there is no solo content available anymore.
    You might be thinking "but it's an MMO, people play it because of grouping and other players", if only that were true.
    Sure it's an MMO, however the big majority of players are casuals.

    yeah, sure WoD is "failing", you do realize WOW has even MORE subs than it has had in a while (And mind you even at its lowest, it still had more then most other mmos would even have)

    please name one successful MMO where raiding and/or PVP are not the major endgame activities.

    Blizzard didn't even post the Q1 report lol, and it's about to be May. The fact is the realms aren't even at 1/3 of players than what they had at the launch of WoD. But anyways WoD never had more than 3mil subs in the West anyway. It's easy to market your "Subs" number when you have 70% of your playerbase from Asia where spending 1 hour in WoW already counts as a Sub. I'd be surprised if they have more than 1.5mil subs now in the West.

    ESO, SWTOR, GW2? All these games don't depend on the "Endgame" as much as others do. Considering SWTOR is at 500k subs and 2mil active players, ESO probably doing even better at that, and GW2 already acclaimed as best MMO of all time (well that was before ESO launched, so I'd say post update 6 ESO took that crown).

    As you can see modern MMOs are changing the genre. Yes WoW is still very popular, however it's a kids game so it's spreading like a plague anyway. The more mature people leave them, the more kids join the party.

    um, WOW you must be blind, yes all three of those, the endgame content is either PVP or endgame dungeons. GW2 major problem is it has had no actual content update for 3 YEARS!

    also, "GW2, best MMO of all time" This HAS to be a joke, no one is THAT delusional to think that.

    Well personally I don't like GW2 much, but what other MMO was out there better anyway? Rift was good but still tab-targetting, FFXIV is just another improved WoW clone, Tera did everthing wrong apart from Combat. WoW is still the old outdated game with outdated systems in place. Seriously there wasn't 1 MMO around that came close to GW2 till ESO.

    ok, it get it, it is YOUR opinion that it is the best MMO out there, because everyone with common sense will tell you no, not at all. WOW still has a larger player base then every single one of them COMBINED, except for FF14, which is the ONLY successful P2P MMO in around 10 years. ESO FAILED, SWtor, FAILED even harder, GW2, not even teh devs really care about that game.

    Most popular doesn't equal to good. WoW is just like Justin Bieber. Famous but crap.
    I've played WoW for 7 years and pretty much every MMO that came after it, most of them were actually better. They weren't as succesfull because they were just Clones, sure they were better but still Clones at it. And people dislike changes or playing the same thing over and over again.

    GW2 was lucky there was no decent inovation in MMO genre for years, so they stepped it up and showed what a Modern MMO needs to be. Perhaps ESO has a lot to thank to GW2 (AvA + Great Action Combat).

    Oh and there is a reason why is WoW the most hated game of all time.

    again, love the opinions stated as fact. even the GW2 PLAYERBASE will tell you it is not the best MMO out there most of the time. It has no "innovation" it just lacks things like any content or anyway of playing besides ZERG RUSH!!!!

    please, stop saying your opinions as fact. we get it, you do not like any other MMO other then Gw2 and ESO. FF14, WOW, and EVE online are the ONLY 3 MMOs that have been successful with the P2P model for YEARS. that alone should tell you something, whether you like it or not.
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    Bloodfang wrote: »
    ESO, SWTOR, GW2? All these games don't depend on the "Endgame" as much as others do. Considering SWTOR is at 500k subs and 2mil active players, ESO probably doing even better at that, and GW2 already acclaimed as best MMO of all time (well that was before ESO launched, so I'd say post update 6 ESO took that crown).

    I quit SWTOR after 2 month. Because the raids were too easy and I was full T3 Rakata on my marauder.

    GW2 also after 3 month. No good group content. I had full arrah set on my thief. Also combat felt boring. Spam 1 button til enemy is dead(pistol whip).

    ESO was okay. I still like it. But its more because I appreciate the ppl I play with. All great personalities and always fun. Damn HODOR Nerds <3

    But I am at a point where I loose more and more incentive to login. Coz theres nothing to do anymore. Besides pvp. But I dont like it in eso. Also it laggs as -snip-

    Best MMO I played so far was Age of Conan. Best combat system ever, good pvp, good raids. Good dungeons etc etc. Played it 4 years straight in a guild competing for world first kills. Got most of em though.
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    Lmao you just can't win can you.

    People whine about the extra questing with the VR ranks.
    People whine about end game group content and raids.
    People whine about PvP.

    What do you people want? Geez.

    I don't think they know what they want, seems like a lot of people think mmo's will be tailor made just for them. I am glad there really is no gear grind in this game, I guess if your a min maxer you can turn it into one for that.00005 extra bonus LOL

    There is a lot to do end game in ESO, just like most mmo's just a matter if you want to do it. Maybe some day an mmo will offers something different, but what could that be ? /shrug
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    Lmao you just can't win can you.

    People whine about the extra questing with the VR ranks.
    People whine about end game group content and raids.
    People whine about PvP.

    What do you people want? Geez.

    There is a lot to do end game in ESO, just like most mmo's just a matter if you want to do it. Maybe some day an mmo will offers something different, but what could that be ? /shrug

    A lot to do? Is this a joke?

    People haven't had anything to do for well over half a year now.
    • 14100 Achievement Points
    • All Quests completed
    • All dungeons/trials completed with every associated speed/difficulty achievement
    • Every skyshard collected
    • Every skill line leveled to maximum (including Vampirism, Werewolf & Legerdemain)
    • Almost every trait researched
    • Emperorship acquired & multiple PvP videos made for fun
    • Fishing achievements done
    • Every class leveled to veteran ranks
    • 206 CPs grinded

    Are you really going to tell people there is a lot to do?

    One year after WoW launch, me & my guild were still working hard to progress in BWL, with things to look forward to.
    Back then, I played twice the hours I do these days, and still didn't run out of content.

    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]
    Edited by ZOS_ArtG on 24 April 2015 12:46
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    DDuke wrote: »
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    I bet you don't have the Alliance rank 50 achievement so I guess you have plenty of stuff to do still *just kidding*

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    Edited by ZOS_ArtG on 24 April 2015 12:47
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