Is ESO just another grind raids game?
Or is it other ways u can progress your characters and get endgame gear??
If it just raids and Group dungeons to do after 50 its a big FAIL.
Is ESO just another grind raids game?
Or is it other ways u can progress your characters and get endgame gear??
If it just raids and Group dungeons to do after 50 its a big FAIL.
Is ESO just another grind raids game?
Or is it other ways u can progress your characters and get endgame gear??
If it just raids and Group dungeons to do after 50 its a big FAIL.
It sadly has come to this, another raid or die treadmill for non MMO players, but dungeon dwellers who are happy to farm the same bosses for months.
Its important to say however, the raid or die treadmill starts at VR 10 with Craglorn, until then you have a lot of new and unique content to discover.
Is ESO just another grind raids game?
Or is it other ways u can progress your characters and get endgame gear??
If it just raids and Group dungeons to do after 50 its a big FAIL.
It sadly has come to this, another raid or die treadmill for non MMO players, but dungeon dwellers who are happy to farm the same bosses for months.
But don't worry, the times are changing and the companies have finally realized that Raid MMOs are a thing of the past.They all went F2P and sooner or later the more important things like housing, quest and story zones, crafting, world pvp will return!
Since ESO is F2P now too, you don't lose anything If you log in from time to time. I would assume non raid content is in the works, how else will they motivate past subscribers to come back? They all left due the massive raid content that was made while the other stuff was forgotten, so I am very optimistic that towards the end of the year ESO might find its way back to the MMO originals.
Its important to say however, the raid or die treadmill starts at VR 10 with Craglorn, until then you have a lot of new and unique content to discover.
LordSkyKnight wrote: »Lmao you just can't win can you.
People whine about the extra questing with the VR ranks.
People whine about end game group content and raids.
People whine about PvP.
What do you people want? Geez.
To be honest ESO feels more like Quests and Crafting Endgame. Which is good.
To all the people who think Endgame in an MMO should be PvP zergs, or PvE mindless grinding are wrong.
I mean fine ESO PvP is at least very good, however Raids are very outdated concept by now in this genre.
If you want an MMO to rely just on Raids it will surely fail, which is right now happening to WoD.
Casuals don't care for the group content, they will leave as soon as there is no solo content available anymore.
You might be thinking "but it's an MMO, people play it because of grouping and other players", if only that were true.
Sure it's an MMO, however the big majority of players are casuals.
To be honest ESO feels more like Quests and Crafting Endgame. Which is good.
To all the people who think Endgame in an MMO should be PvP zergs, or PvE mindless grinding are wrong.
I mean fine ESO PvP is at least very good, however Raids are very outdated concept by now in this genre.
If you want an MMO to rely just on Raids it will surely fail, which is right now happening to WoD.
Casuals don't care for the group content, they will leave as soon as there is no solo content available anymore.
You might be thinking "but it's an MMO, people play it because of grouping and other players", if only that were true.
Sure it's an MMO, however the big majority of players are casuals.
yeah, sure WoD is "failing", you do realize WOW has even MORE subs than it has had in a while (And mind you even at its lowest, it still had more then most other mmos would even have)
please name one successful MMO where raiding and/or PVP are not the major endgame activities.
To be honest ESO feels more like Quests and Crafting Endgame. Which is good.
To all the people who think Endgame in an MMO should be PvP zergs, or PvE mindless grinding are wrong.
I mean fine ESO PvP is at least very good, however Raids are very outdated concept by now in this genre.
If you want an MMO to rely just on Raids it will surely fail, which is right now happening to WoD.
Casuals don't care for the group content, they will leave as soon as there is no solo content available anymore.
You might be thinking "but it's an MMO, people play it because of grouping and other players", if only that were true.
Sure it's an MMO, however the big majority of players are casuals.
yeah, sure WoD is "failing", you do realize WOW has even MORE subs than it has had in a while (And mind you even at its lowest, it still had more then most other mmos would even have)
please name one successful MMO where raiding and/or PVP are not the major endgame activities.
Blizzard didn't even post the Q1 report lol, and it's about to be May. The fact is the realms aren't even at 1/3 of players than what they had at the launch of WoD. But anyways WoD never had more than 3mil subs in the West anyway. It's easy to market your "Subs" number when you have 70% of your playerbase from Asia where spending 1 hour in WoW already counts as a Sub. I'd be surprised if they have more than 1.5mil subs now in the West.
ESO, SWTOR, GW2? All these games don't depend on the "Endgame" as much as others do. Considering SWTOR is at 500k subs and 2mil active players, ESO probably doing even better at that, and GW2 already acclaimed as best MMO of all time (well that was before ESO launched, so I'd say post update 6 ESO took that crown).
As you can see modern MMOs are changing the genre. Yes WoW is still very popular, however it's a kids game so it's spreading like a plague anyway. The more mature people leave them, the more kids join the party.
To be honest ESO feels more like Quests and Crafting Endgame. Which is good.
To all the people who think Endgame in an MMO should be PvP zergs, or PvE mindless grinding are wrong.
I mean fine ESO PvP is at least very good, however Raids are very outdated concept by now in this genre.
If you want an MMO to rely just on Raids it will surely fail, which is right now happening to WoD.
Casuals don't care for the group content, they will leave as soon as there is no solo content available anymore.
You might be thinking "but it's an MMO, people play it because of grouping and other players", if only that were true.
Sure it's an MMO, however the big majority of players are casuals.
yeah, sure WoD is "failing", you do realize WOW has even MORE subs than it has had in a while (And mind you even at its lowest, it still had more then most other mmos would even have)
please name one successful MMO where raiding and/or PVP are not the major endgame activities.
Blizzard didn't even post the Q1 report lol, and it's about to be May. The fact is the realms aren't even at 1/3 of players than what they had at the launch of WoD. But anyways WoD never had more than 3mil subs in the West anyway. It's easy to market your "Subs" number when you have 70% of your playerbase from Asia where spending 1 hour in WoW already counts as a Sub. I'd be surprised if they have more than 1.5mil subs now in the West.
ESO, SWTOR, GW2? All these games don't depend on the "Endgame" as much as others do. Considering SWTOR is at 500k subs and 2mil active players, ESO probably doing even better at that, and GW2 already acclaimed as best MMO of all time (well that was before ESO launched, so I'd say post update 6 ESO took that crown).
As you can see modern MMOs are changing the genre. Yes WoW is still very popular, however it's a kids game so it's spreading like a plague anyway. The more mature people leave them, the more kids join the party.
um, WOW you must be blind, yes all three of those, the endgame content is either PVP or endgame dungeons. GW2 major problem is it has had no actual content update for 3 YEARS!
also, "GW2, best MMO of all time" This HAS to be a joke, no one is THAT delusional to think that.
To be honest ESO feels more like Quests and Crafting Endgame. Which is good.
To all the people who think Endgame in an MMO should be PvP zergs, or PvE mindless grinding are wrong.
I mean fine ESO PvP is at least very good, however Raids are very outdated concept by now in this genre.
If you want an MMO to rely just on Raids it will surely fail, which is right now happening to WoD.
Casuals don't care for the group content, they will leave as soon as there is no solo content available anymore.
You might be thinking "but it's an MMO, people play it because of grouping and other players", if only that were true.
Sure it's an MMO, however the big majority of players are casuals.
yeah, sure WoD is "failing", you do realize WOW has even MORE subs than it has had in a while (And mind you even at its lowest, it still had more then most other mmos would even have)
please name one successful MMO where raiding and/or PVP are not the major endgame activities.
Blizzard didn't even post the Q1 report lol, and it's about to be May. The fact is the realms aren't even at 1/3 of players than what they had at the launch of WoD. But anyways WoD never had more than 3mil subs in the West anyway. It's easy to market your "Subs" number when you have 70% of your playerbase from Asia where spending 1 hour in WoW already counts as a Sub. I'd be surprised if they have more than 1.5mil subs now in the West.
ESO, SWTOR, GW2? All these games don't depend on the "Endgame" as much as others do. Considering SWTOR is at 500k subs and 2mil active players, ESO probably doing even better at that, and GW2 already acclaimed as best MMO of all time (well that was before ESO launched, so I'd say post update 6 ESO took that crown).
As you can see modern MMOs are changing the genre. Yes WoW is still very popular, however it's a kids game so it's spreading like a plague anyway. The more mature people leave them, the more kids join the party.
um, WOW you must be blind, yes all three of those, the endgame content is either PVP or endgame dungeons. GW2 major problem is it has had no actual content update for 3 YEARS!
also, "GW2, best MMO of all time" This HAS to be a joke, no one is THAT delusional to think that.
Well personally I don't like GW2 much, but what other MMO was out there better anyway? Rift was good but still tab-targetting, FFXIV is just another improved WoW clone, Tera did everthing wrong apart from Combat. WoW is still the old outdated game with outdated systems in place. Seriously there wasn't 1 MMO around that came close to GW2 till ESO.
To be honest ESO feels more like Quests and Crafting Endgame. Which is good.
To all the people who think Endgame in an MMO should be PvP zergs, or PvE mindless grinding are wrong.
I mean fine ESO PvP is at least very good, however Raids are very outdated concept by now in this genre.
If you want an MMO to rely just on Raids it will surely fail, which is right now happening to WoD.
Casuals don't care for the group content, they will leave as soon as there is no solo content available anymore.
You might be thinking "but it's an MMO, people play it because of grouping and other players", if only that were true.
Sure it's an MMO, however the big majority of players are casuals.
yeah, sure WoD is "failing", you do realize WOW has even MORE subs than it has had in a while (And mind you even at its lowest, it still had more then most other mmos would even have)
please name one successful MMO where raiding and/or PVP are not the major endgame activities.
Blizzard didn't even post the Q1 report lol, and it's about to be May. The fact is the realms aren't even at 1/3 of players than what they had at the launch of WoD. But anyways WoD never had more than 3mil subs in the West anyway. It's easy to market your "Subs" number when you have 70% of your playerbase from Asia where spending 1 hour in WoW already counts as a Sub. I'd be surprised if they have more than 1.5mil subs now in the West.
ESO, SWTOR, GW2? All these games don't depend on the "Endgame" as much as others do. Considering SWTOR is at 500k subs and 2mil active players, ESO probably doing even better at that, and GW2 already acclaimed as best MMO of all time (well that was before ESO launched, so I'd say post update 6 ESO took that crown).
As you can see modern MMOs are changing the genre. Yes WoW is still very popular, however it's a kids game so it's spreading like a plague anyway. The more mature people leave them, the more kids join the party.
um, WOW you must be blind, yes all three of those, the endgame content is either PVP or endgame dungeons. GW2 major problem is it has had no actual content update for 3 YEARS!
also, "GW2, best MMO of all time" This HAS to be a joke, no one is THAT delusional to think that.
Well personally I don't like GW2 much, but what other MMO was out there better anyway? Rift was good but still tab-targetting, FFXIV is just another improved WoW clone, Tera did everthing wrong apart from Combat. WoW is still the old outdated game with outdated systems in place. Seriously there wasn't 1 MMO around that came close to GW2 till ESO.
ok, it get it, it is YOUR opinion that it is the best MMO out there, because everyone with common sense will tell you no, not at all. WOW still has a larger player base then every single one of them COMBINED, except for FF14, which is the ONLY successful P2P MMO in around 10 years. ESO FAILED, SWtor, FAILED even harder, GW2, not even teh devs really care about that game.
To be honest ESO feels more like Quests and Crafting Endgame. Which is good.
To all the people who think Endgame in an MMO should be PvP zergs, or PvE mindless grinding are wrong.
I mean fine ESO PvP is at least very good, however Raids are very outdated concept by now in this genre.
If you want an MMO to rely just on Raids it will surely fail, which is right now happening to WoD.
Casuals don't care for the group content, they will leave as soon as there is no solo content available anymore.
You might be thinking "but it's an MMO, people play it because of grouping and other players", if only that were true.
Sure it's an MMO, however the big majority of players are casuals.
yeah, sure WoD is "failing", you do realize WOW has even MORE subs than it has had in a while (And mind you even at its lowest, it still had more then most other mmos would even have)
please name one successful MMO where raiding and/or PVP are not the major endgame activities.
Blizzard didn't even post the Q1 report lol, and it's about to be May. The fact is the realms aren't even at 1/3 of players than what they had at the launch of WoD. But anyways WoD never had more than 3mil subs in the West anyway. It's easy to market your "Subs" number when you have 70% of your playerbase from Asia where spending 1 hour in WoW already counts as a Sub. I'd be surprised if they have more than 1.5mil subs now in the West.
ESO, SWTOR, GW2? All these games don't depend on the "Endgame" as much as others do. Considering SWTOR is at 500k subs and 2mil active players, ESO probably doing even better at that, and GW2 already acclaimed as best MMO of all time (well that was before ESO launched, so I'd say post update 6 ESO took that crown).
As you can see modern MMOs are changing the genre. Yes WoW is still very popular, however it's a kids game so it's spreading like a plague anyway. The more mature people leave them, the more kids join the party.
um, WOW you must be blind, yes all three of those, the endgame content is either PVP or endgame dungeons. GW2 major problem is it has had no actual content update for 3 YEARS!
also, "GW2, best MMO of all time" This HAS to be a joke, no one is THAT delusional to think that.
Well personally I don't like GW2 much, but what other MMO was out there better anyway? Rift was good but still tab-targetting, FFXIV is just another improved WoW clone, Tera did everthing wrong apart from Combat. WoW is still the old outdated game with outdated systems in place. Seriously there wasn't 1 MMO around that came close to GW2 till ESO.
ok, it get it, it is YOUR opinion that it is the best MMO out there, because everyone with common sense will tell you no, not at all. WOW still has a larger player base then every single one of them COMBINED, except for FF14, which is the ONLY successful P2P MMO in around 10 years. ESO FAILED, SWtor, FAILED even harder, GW2, not even teh devs really care about that game.
Most popular doesn't equal to good. WoW is just like Justin Bieber. Famous but crap.
I've played WoW for 7 years and pretty much every MMO that came after it, most of them were actually better. They weren't as succesfull because they were just Clones, sure they were better but still Clones at it. And people dislike changes or playing the same thing over and over again.
GW2 was lucky there was no decent inovation in MMO genre for years, so they stepped it up and showed what a Modern MMO needs to be. Perhaps ESO has a lot to thank to GW2 (AvA + Great Action Combat).
Oh and there is a reason why is WoW the most hated game of all time.
ESO, SWTOR, GW2? All these games don't depend on the "Endgame" as much as others do. Considering SWTOR is at 500k subs and 2mil active players, ESO probably doing even better at that, and GW2 already acclaimed as best MMO of all time (well that was before ESO launched, so I'd say post update 6 ESO took that crown).
LordSkyKnight wrote: »Lmao you just can't win can you.
People whine about the extra questing with the VR ranks.
People whine about end game group content and raids.
People whine about PvP.
What do you people want? Geez.
kevlarto_ESO wrote: »LordSkyKnight wrote: »Lmao you just can't win can you.
People whine about the extra questing with the VR ranks.
People whine about end game group content and raids.
People whine about PvP.
What do you people want? Geez.
There is a lot to do end game in ESO, just like most mmo's just a matter if you want to do it. Maybe some day an mmo will offers something different, but what could that be ? /shrug
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