Imperials are way better than Nords.

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Imperials are way better than Nords.

Another meaningless and unsupported statement: Circles are way better than squares.

Concur with the previous post. You should provide more explanation for your opinion.

GreySix wrote: »

Another meaningless and unsupported statement: Circles are way better than squares.

Concur with the previous post. You should provide more explanation for your opinion.

Okay, though it's pretty common knowledge.

An Imperial gets +12% Health and +10%* Stamina.
A Nord gets +3% Health and 6% damage reduction.

The Higher your Health / Stamina, the wider the gap between the two gets.

Is 3%HP and 6% damage reduction comparable to +12% hp? I would disagree.
And an Imperial has bonus stamina on top of that.

I'll stack the cards in the Nord's favor and say that they have better survivability, in which case Imperials are only slightly inferior tanks and still quite superior at dealing damage.

heyjeremy wrote: »

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Imperials are way better than Nords.

Could you go a bit more into detail?

Imperials have class.

But, yeah, the stamina/health bonuses are very nice for imperials. Though it's +10% Stamina, +12% Health, not +12% to both.

AngryNord wrote: »

Nord. Because Nord.

Thank you for your incredibly helpful input...

Well.... expect the min/maxers to give numerical reasons, and the RPers to give RP reasons.

Sounds like you are NOT an RP fan.

Reroll Imperial 10000%

32500 armour/spellresist is the hard cap and grants 50% mitigation.
-> So we can easely say 650 armour/spellresist = 1% mitigation.

A legendary set bonus grants :
- 1890 armour/spellresist
- 126 health regen
- 1039 health

126 health regen means a player can sustain an extra 63dmg/sec without taking anything else into consideration.
1890 armour/spellresist means a player can mitigate an extra 2,9% dmg without taking anything else into consideration.
1039 health means a player can soak an extra 1039 dmg without taking anything else into consideration.

But it gets interesting because to remotely increase your mitgation for both armour/spellresist with item sets, you have to slot 2 pieces of gear to have a general 2,9% increase while health regen increases sustainability against both types of dmg. So to increase both armour/spellresist you actualy have to give up 2078 health or 252 health regen. It is also worth to mention that health regen and health will scale in effectiveness exponentialy the more mitigation your have. So mitigation would be the obvious choice at first glance, since it increases the effectiveness from both ressources up to 100%.

Let's say you wear a full armour set and have 50% mitigation or 32500 armour/spellresist. If you give up 1890 armour/spellresist it leaves you with :
30213 armour/spell resist [32500 - 1890 x 1.21]
or 46,5% mitgation [30213 : 650 = 46,50+-]

If I now compare a similar build but with just a little difference in 2 set bonuses it gives me this :
BUILD1 :
armour/spellresist : 32500 (+21% from resolve)
health regen : 309 (no modifiers)

BUILD2 :
armour/spellresist : 30213 (+21% from resolve)
health regen : 565 (no modifiers)

So for that 3,5% modifier to be more effective you have to compare how much that health recovery could add to your surviability :
[256 : 3,5 x 100] : 2 = 3657 dmg/sec taken without any mitigation for armour+spellresist to be more effective.

Now add this value in BUILD2 which instead has 46,5% mitigation and add on top of that 3 important sources of health regen up by 78% (Robust, Constitution, Major Fortitude).
[3657 : (100 - 46,5) x 100)] x 1,78 - /b][158,5 : (100 - 50) x 100] - [158,5 : (100 - 46,5) x 100][b = 12146~dmg/sec

So you need to take at least 12146~ dmg/sec for that extra 3,5% mitigation to be more effective against both physical and spell damage.

Now add something like Mundus stones :
Serpent : 211 health regen or 167% of a yellow set value.
Lady/Lover : 1280 armour/spellresist or 67% of a yellow set value.

Or just the fact you can block in the game and I can ensure you health regen has a very good spot in this game.

Brasseurfb16_ESO wrote: »

32500 armour/spellresist is the hard cap and grants 50% mitigation.
-> So we can easely say 650 armour/spellresist = 1% mitigation.

A legendary set bonus grants :
- 1890 armour/spellresist
- 126 health regen
- 1039 health

126 health regen means a player can sustain an extra 63dmg/sec without taking anything else into consideration.
1890 armour/spellresist means a player can mitigate an extra 2,9% dmg without taking anything else into consideration.
1039 health means a player can soak an extra 1039 dmg without taking anything else into consideration.

But it gets interesting because to remotely increase your mitgation for both armour/spellresist with item sets, you have to slot 2 pieces of gear to have a general 2,9% increase while health regen increases sustainability against both types of dmg. So to increase both armour/spellresist you actualy have to give up 2078 health or 252 health regen. It is also worth to mention that health regen and health will scale in effectiveness exponentialy the more mitigation your have. So mitigation would be the obvious choice, since it increases the effectiveness from both ressources up to 100%.

Let's say you wear a full armour set and have 50% mitigation or 32500 armour/spellresist. If you give up 1890 armour/spellresist it leaves you with :
30213 armour/spell resist [32500 - 1890 x 1.21]
or 46,5% mitgation [30213 : 650 = 46,50+-]

If I now compare a similar build but with just a little differences in 2 set bonuses it gives me this :
BUILD1 :
armour/spellresist : 32500 (+21% from resolve)
health regen : 309 (no modifiers)

BUILD2 :
armour/spellresist : 30213 (+21% from resolve)
health regen : 565 (no modifiers)

So for that 3,5% modifier to be more effective you have to compare how much that health recovery could add to your surviability :
[256 : 3,5 x 100] : 2 = 3657 dmg/sec taken without any mitigation for armour+spellresist to be more effective.

Now add this value in BUILD2 which instead has 46,5% mitigation and add on top of that 3 important sources of health regen up by 78% (Robust, Constitution, Major Fortitude).
[3657 : (100 - 46,5) x 100)] x 1,78 - /b][158,5 : (100 - 50) x 100] - [158,5 : (100 - 46,5) x 100][b = 12146~dmg/sec

So you need to take at least 12146~ dmg/sec for that extra mitigation to be more effective against both physical and spell damage.

Now add something like Mundus stones :
Serpent : 211 health regen or 167% of a yellow set value.
Lady/Lover : 1280 armour/spellresist or 67% of a yellow set value.

Or just the fact you can block in the game and I can ensure you health regen has a very good place in this game.

Which is great and all..till you realize the Red Diamond Passive and throwing down Caltrops will result in more healing done then the Health Regen Passive Nords have.

You can do a Health Regen Build on a Nord...I got up to 3400 Health Regen..its amusing..

Brasseurfb16_ESO wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

I'm not even going to try to quote or understand that last post. It astonishes me that both Brasseurfb and I can play and enjoy the same game. .... ZOS must be doing something right

I'm just saying health regen is totaly viable in this game, its not crap like people like to say. There are barely any encounters dealing that much dmg/sec and every mechanics which does involve more usualy forces you to use dodge, block or doing something very specific to not get killed in a single strike. So it might even be more interesting to give up some health or mitigation for health regen instead because it can potentialy increase your own sustain and help the healer to focus his attention on other people in your team.

You can probably use Health Regen to some extent in a Dungeon for example if your healers are kind of blah

But considering the average Tank Setup is going to be

Footmans 5 Piece/histbark 5 piece/2 Engine Guardian you really only get 2 Health Regen Bonuses

and you could run Serpents..

But I think Imperial would still be better simply because Caltops and Red Diamond.

heyjeremy wrote: »

Okay last question sorry, but is Dragonknight the best class for Imperial?

No, any class works pretty well with them. Imperials do best with Stamina builds, which are (somewhat) class agnostic.