Nightblade builds have become sort of useless. Help?

TheRealMason · April 2015

I don't know if anyone else is having the same problem but since the recent update my NIghtblade build has become utter useless. Its probably down to the fact that some of the ability's have been changed so that they rely on stamina instead of magicka. My character is V8 and i use dual wield, the ability's i use are: Killers blade, swallow soul, ambush, blood craze and rapid strikes. Before this update i could handle a lot of things with out them being some enormous challenge to kill, with the only real restriction for me being PVP. But now i'm constantly running out of stamina half way through a 1v1 with a mob making it very difficult to kill normal mobs that spawn in the world. I've tried changing my build, but i can't find nothing that really works, so if anyone could offer any form of help, tips or share their own troubles with the recent patch in regards to class ability's being changed, if you have any, and so fourth it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

golfer.dub17_ESO · April 2015

How do you feel about:
-Surprise Attack (Morph of veiled strike)
-Shadowy Disguise (Coupled with surprise attack)
-Becoming a werewolf (for the stam regen)

Also, attributes and gear?

SosRuvaak · April 2015

I have gone for almost every stamina regen ability on my nb and i agree, the stamina is always low when im in combat.
Ive gone to relying on some provisioning to help, but its still a problem.
The siphoning strikes ability doesnt even make a noticeable difference.
I use the throwing blades for dual weild, and the peircing stabs ability. They really arent much, but not having the jump anymore because it takes down half of my stamina per use, is a disadvantage. I recently unlocked the siphoning ability that is an aoe damage buff, and morphed it to stamina scale on accident. It does more damage with that morph, but it uses up my precious stamina.
I have a lot of points to my health because i die soo easily. I could even my stamina with my magica like it should be, if they were different.
I feel like nb dropped off at around level 30.

MrJMarston · April 2015

I'm currently lvling my vr 11 RedGuard nb ww, and I can usually solo dolmens and world bosses at my lvl. I use relentless focus for the 10% bounes regen, and reaper's mark for heal. although my stem does run out but it is usually in bosses but otherwise nb seems fine. are your attribute points spread focused on stem and hp? 18k with food is usually fine at vr 11 with group dungeons and what not.

RavenSworn · April 2015

Haven't had any problems with NB ever since the new update really. in fact i would say that the NB now is more streamlined and no more a mixed up class.

either you go all out stamina or all out magicka, with the morphs chosen to their appropriate stat. i use two handers and bows for my NB though but its not much of a difference in comparison with dual wielding. if you do have some coin to spare for a respec, perhaps you can respec your attributes to all stamina and change your morphs to stamina based ones such as Killer's Blade, Surprise Attack, etc. or you can go magicka, using Destro staff or resto for abit of survivability. there are several builds that uses melee weapons but taking the magicka route; which just means you are basically using the weapons as a utility option rather than the main damage source.

personally, if you are using dual wield, I'd recommend:

Steel Tornado
Mirage / Quick Cloak
Ambush
Shadowy Disguise
Mass Hysteria

Soul Harvest

This will be based on stamina of course, and having all your attributes stacked on stamina helps as well. enchant your head, chest and legs on health and the rest on stamina.

Hope this helps!

Stannum · April 2015

TheRealMason wrote: »

I don't know if anyone else is having the same problem but since the recent update my NIghtblade build has become utter useless. Its probably down to the fact that some of the ability's have been changed so that they rely on stamina instead of magicka. My character is V8 and i use dual wield, the ability's i use are: Killers blade, swallow soul, ambush, blood craze and rapid strikes. Before this update i could handle a lot of things with out them being some enormous challenge to kill, with the only real restriction for me being PVP. But now i'm constantly running out of stamina half way through a 1v1 with a mob making it very difficult to kill normal mobs that spawn in the world. I've tried changing my build, but i can't find nothing that really works, so if anyone could offer any form of help, tips or share their own troubles with the recent patch in regards to class ability's being changed, if you have any, and so fourth it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

need more info about your build as i know NB is may be the best class for stamina builds.
1 race?
2 d'you use only DW on both bars?
3 how have you splited your attr?
4 what armour type/sets d'you use?

Resipsa131 · April 2015

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

How do you feel about:
-Surprise Attack (Morph of veiled strike)
-Shadowy Disguise (Coupled with surprise attack)
-Becoming a werewolf (for the stam regen)

Also, attributes and gear?

That's my opener at v2, once my stealth gets good enough to initiate without Shadowy disguise I'll probably drop it for mist form, mass hysteria , or some other magicka dump that doesn't rely on total magicka to deal damage heal. Rapid Strikes in 3, Drain in 4, and killer's bade in 5

dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »

1 race?
2 d'you use only DW on both bars?
3 how have you splited your attr?
4 what armour type/sets d'you use?

1. I use a dunmer but that's flavor anyway, so is being a vampire over WW
2. depends mostly bar 2 are a couple ranged abilities along with stuff im leveling eventually I'll make DW permenant on both bars.
3. 20 Health the rest Stamina I don't know if this is optimal its good enough for leveling.
4. 5M/2H Heavy Chest piece and Greaves or whatever. Usually I run Stamina enchantmetns.

Stannum · April 2015

Resipsa131 wrote: »

dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »

1 race?
2 d'you use only DW on both bars?
3 how have you splited your attr?
4 what armour type/sets d'you use?

1. I use a dunmer but that's flavor anyway, so is being a vampire over WW
2. depends mostly bar 2 are a couple ranged abilities along with stuff im leveling eventually I'll make DW permenant on both bars.
3. 20 Health the rest Stamina I don't know if this is optimal its good enough for leveling.
4. 5M/2H Heavy Chest piece and Greaves or whatever. Usually I run Stamina enchantmetns.

So you have common stamina build. And should kill quickly.
If you wish to use DW only try such builds
1st bar for large groups (4+) of common mobs
steel tornado - power extraction - leaching attacks - relentless focus -ambush
for boss type (or one-by one small groups)
rapid strikes - killer blade - leaching attacks - reapers mark - ambush
(try to keep buffs from power extraction and relentles focus allways up, leaching attack will keep your resourses)
This build is not very good as you have no reliable healing so need to kill fast (if you will have DW/2H build it will be much easie cause of rally), but is good for DPSing with your resorce high.

Resipsa131 · April 2015

Eventually I''ll have my bars set up close to what you've got as far as healing without kill I usually have a siphoning health ability on bar 2 as well as drain and batswarm as my Ult. I think healing without kill is definitely the biggest weak point because the siphoning ability is based off of magicka.

One question why leeching attacks? Doesn't it only apply to regular light attacks. With my build you've got so much stamina and regen you've hardly got anytime that would be useful

Stannum · April 2015

Resipsa131 wrote: »

One question why leeching attacks? Doesn't it only apply to regular light attacks. With my build you've got so much stamina and regen you've hardly got anytime that would be useful

Hmm looks like i have mistaken. I thought you've written OP where TS say that he runs out of stamina quickly.
leeching attacks = siphoning attacks morph (forget right skill name) that proc on all attacks. On large number of targets hit (tornado/power extraction) or with large nomber of attack (rapid strikes) it proc very often, so there wil no any stamina problems.

Celless · April 2015

Ah! I think Siphoning Attacks then for the proc on attacks and abilities. Leeching Strikes is the one that restores health on weapon attacks.

Nestor · April 2015

TheRealMason wrote: »

I don't know if anyone else is having the same problem but since the recent update my NIghtblade build has become utter useless.

I put my NB into Stamina prior to 1.6 and he was a death dealer. I was loving it. Could solo everything all the way through Caldwell's Gold. After 1.6 I have struggled to make the Stamina Build work. Same issue as you, using up Stamina. Probably because before I could mix up Stamina and Magick attacks and use the resources evenly.

I recently put my DK back into Magic from Stamina and he is back to being a killing machine. I don't want to do this with my NB, as then all 4 of my characters would be Magic Based. This weekend I am going to try some things before I do the respec. Namely try 2H again and the Bow rather than DW/Destro Staff (I rarely use the Staff, I just have not removed it yet). But, it's not looking good for a Stamina based NB anymore, at least for me.

I am also going to try things like Reaper Mark, since they removed the 75% armor reduction for using it. We shall see.

Pirhana7_ESO · April 2015

TheRealMason wrote: »

I don't know if anyone else is having the same problem but since the recent update my NIghtblade build has become utter useless. Its probably down to the fact that some of the ability's have been changed so that they rely on stamina instead of magicka. My character is V8 and i use dual wield, the ability's i use are: Killers blade, swallow soul, ambush, blood craze and rapid strikes. Before this update i could handle a lot of things with out them being some enormous challenge to kill, with the only real restriction for me being PVP. But now i'm constantly running out of stamina half way through a 1v1 with a mob making it very difficult to kill normal mobs that spawn in the world. I've tried changing my build, but i can't find nothing that really works, so if anyone could offer any form of help, tips or share their own troubles with the recent patch in regards to class ability's being changed, if you have any, and so fourth it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

With the new morph system you really cant split the stamina and magika stats now, you basically have to go all Stamina /Weapon damage OR all magika /spell damage. but by doing so you are much stronger with those skills than before the patch

I am a medium armor stamina build 70% my stats are stamina, 30% are health.
I use ambush, Suprise attack, and Flurry. With a stamina build you want to use magika abilities that are buffs or utility because they are not changed by how much magika you have. Blur is probably the best buff for a NB now as it dodges alot of damage for you. mark the target is also very good, Vanish is very good for PVP. Even with just my baseline magika i can still use vanish and buff skills enough. my melee stamina damage is far greater than before the patch tho.