Spell Damage vs. Weapon Damage

Cuyler · March 2015

@ZOS and all,

So now that v1.6 has had some time to shake down and some solid builds have presented themselves I'm noticing a concerning trend between spell damage and weapon damage. That is, stamina builds focusing on stacking weapon damage are reaching 4k+ WD while magicka builds focusing on stacking spell damage appear to maxing at about 3k SD. Compounding this issue is the fact there is a Weapon damage mundus stone (the warrior) and no comparable spell damage mundus.

Maybe I'm out of the loop here but it seems based on what I'm seeing here that this is why magicka builds are lagging behind stam builds. Can someone offer insight as to why this occurs, why there is no SD mundus or show me evidence of a build with 4k+ spell damage?

Thanks in advance and Happy Hunting!

eserras7b16_ESO · March 2015

About that all I've got to say is that, while Sorcerers and Dragonknights have competitive Magicka builds, templars and specialy nightblades have not.

Celless · March 2015

I was thinking recently that I wouldn't mind if the Ritual mundus stone offered +spell damage instead of +healing. It might be statistically smaller for healers, but could be an option for all magicka builds.

Or maybe two more enchant types for like...
+spell damage for 5 seconds / lowers target's spell damage 5 seconds
+adds damage shield vs. spells for 5 seconds / lowers target's spell resist for 5 seconds

Call 'em Makri or Makteri. *runes explode in face*

Niminion · March 2015

2h weapons have a higher damage stat than a staff.

There is also no spell damage weapon enchant.

Light armor passives are having issues.

Gilvoth · March 2015

eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »

About that all I've got to say is that, while Sorcerers and Dragonknights have competitive Magicka builds, templars and specialy nightblades have not.

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f047ys3v3n · March 2015

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »

About that all I've got to say is that, while Sorcerers and Dragonknights have competitive Magicka builds, templars and specialy nightblades have not.

quoted for truth
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i don't know about templars because i don't have one but true dat for the other 3 classes.

Jules · March 2015

This is definitely true. I haven't seen the stam dps I run with get to 4k WD but somewhere in the 3k's while I chill somewhere in the 2k's with entropy up. However I'm not sure many people run the mundus that gives WD, most people I talk to prefer shadow. But that's not even the issue. The issue is that stam has the option to push their WD to around 4k should they choose to do so, if they wanted to test. Magicka users could have all sets stacking SD, entropy up and still come no where near it. Definitely worth discussing why that is.

phreatophile · March 2015

How does one get to 4K+WD? I was pretty happy to get to 3700 with Rally and Ravager Proc.

Cuyler · March 2015

phreatophile wrote: »

How does one get to 4K+WD? I was pretty happy to get to 3700 with Rally and Ravager Proc.

I'm not fully aware of the WD build details, I just know it's possible. I have a NB and a Sorc atm. I'll be getting with my guildie running this build for the particulars for my NB (which was shelved for a very long time). I simply noticed the disparity between his WD build and my sorcs SD build and my sorc has BiS spell damage gear and hasn't much more room for improvement @~3k SD fully buffed.

Armitas · March 2015

Whats your set up, I can only get 2400 SD. 2 Torug, 4 martial, 2 cyro light, all spell damage enchants + entropy. My neck is stand alone and skoria for my head/shoulders. Are you not wearing a 2 piece monster set?

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO · April 2015

Does the Thaumaturge passive from the Ritual constellation have any appreciable effect on Spell Damage?

RoxyPhoenix · April 2015

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Does the Thaumaturge passive from the Ritual constellation have any appreciable effect on Spell Damage?

yes, it increases all magic attacks [but no elemental,poisons etc], quite noticeable with Frags.

Nutronic · April 2015

Niminion wrote: »

2h weapons have a higher damage stat than a staff.

There is also no spell damage weapon enchant.

Light armor passives are having issues.

You can also add sneak attacks to that list. At this point the way things are, would it really be too OP to just give a crit bonus to sneak attacked magic abilities or at least to staff attacks?

Cuyler · April 2015

Armitas wrote: »

Whats your set up, I can only get 2400 SD. 2 Torug, 4 martial, 2 cyro light, all spell damage enchants + entropy. My neck is stand alone and skoria for my head/shoulders. Are you not wearing a 2 piece monster set?

3 torug
4 martial
2 cyro
2 adroitness
stacking all sorc skills
using potions on cooldown
No monster set in this build.

Cuyler · April 2015

deleted. double post

halfbadger · April 2015

eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »

About that all I've got to say is that, while Sorcerers and Dragonknights have competitive Magicka builds, templars and specialy nightblades have not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu_ZlUg4b0Y

and

http://i57.tinypic.com/35hi6bb.jpg

RavenSworn · April 2015

Have you considered the sustained dps numbers that a magicka build does against a stam based one? Seems to me magicka builds are far superior in managing their resources as dodging, blocking, etc does not use their primary damage resource.

To counter that stamina based weps should have a higher weapon damage in regards to their resource management.

technohic · April 2015

halfbadger wrote: »

eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »

About that all I've got to say is that, while Sorcerers and Dragonknights have competitive Magicka builds, templars and specialy nightblades have not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu_ZlUg4b0Y

and

http://i57.tinypic.com/35hi6bb.jpg

Thats great on that templar. Now if only I could convince my targets to stay in the blazing spear and not purge the DOT of vampires bane; we'll be all set.

halfbadger · April 2015

technohic wrote: »

Thats great on that templar. Now if only I could convince my targets to stay in the blazing spear and not purge the DOT of vampires bane; we'll be all set.

so you want a pvp build?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRQv0VM5CzA

Jules · April 2015

halfbadger wrote: »

eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »

About that all I've got to say is that, while Sorcerers and Dragonknights have competitive Magicka builds, templars and specialy nightblades have not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu_ZlUg4b0Y

and

http://i57.tinypic.com/35hi6bb.jpg

Very impressive on a temp

byrom101b16_ESO · April 2015

Spamming 2-3 skills on a Temp or DK nets you 15K+ damage with good gear. Being as versatile as a Sorcerer needs to be to get this kind of damage whilst using a Temp or DK adds another 3-4K damage to that.

It's ezemode for competitive or for a little more effort you can have godmode with Temp & DKs...

Bfish22090 · April 2015

I am able to get 3.4k spell damage with buffs, power surge and structured entropy up
Sorcerer.
4 PC martial knowledge.
2 pc adroitness
2 PC cyrodils light (spell damage enchant)
2 PC torugs pact
2 Stygian daggers (2 PC spell damage increase)

I have gotten crystal frags to crit for 25k+

Jules · April 2015

eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »

About that all I've got to say is that, while Sorcerers and Dragonknights have competitive Magicka builds, templars and specialy nightblades have not.

NB:

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/1-6-pve-correct-magicka-nightblade-dps-amstelx/#post-577250

Cuyler · April 2015

Bfish22090 wrote: »

I am able to get 3.4k spell damage with buffs, power surge and structured entropy up
Sorcerer.
4 PC martial knowledge.
2 pc adroitness
2 PC cyrodils light (spell damage enchant)
2 PC torugs pact
2 Stygian daggers (2 PC spell damage increase)

I have gotten crystal frags to crit for 25k+

Hmm...Interesting; however, I probably won't be using daggers for my magicka build.

Tankqull · April 2015

Cuyler wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

I am able to get 3.4k spell damage with buffs, power surge and structured entropy up
Sorcerer.
4 PC martial knowledge.
2 pc adroitness
2 PC cyrodils light (spell damage enchant)
2 PC torugs pact
2 Stygian daggers (2 PC spell damage increase)

I have gotten crystal frags to crit for 25k+

Hmm...Interesting; however, I probably won't be using daggers for my magicka build.

frag spam( it doesent work with spellweaving thx to the broken cast animation) with that setup is better than light/medium+force shock+cf procs from my observations

Cuyler · April 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

I am able to get 3.4k spell damage with buffs, power surge and structured entropy up
Sorcerer.
4 PC martial knowledge.
2 pc adroitness
2 PC cyrodils light (spell damage enchant)
2 PC torugs pact
2 Stygian daggers (2 PC spell damage increase)

I have gotten crystal frags to crit for 25k+

Hmm...Interesting; however, I probably won't be using daggers for my magicka build.

frag spam( it doesent work with spellweaving thx to the broken cast animation) with that setup is better than light/medium+force shock+cf procs from my observations

Are you spamming without the proc as well?

Tankqull · April 2015

Cuyler wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

I am able to get 3.4k spell damage with buffs, power surge and structured entropy up
Sorcerer.
4 PC martial knowledge.
2 pc adroitness
2 PC cyrodils light (spell damage enchant)
2 PC torugs pact
2 Stygian daggers (2 PC spell damage increase)

I have gotten crystal frags to crit for 25k+

Hmm...Interesting; however, I probably won't be using daggers for my magicka build.

frag spam( it doesent work with spellweaving thx to the broken cast animation) with that setup is better than light/medium+force shock+cf procs from my observations

Are you spamming without the proc as well?

never observed frags procing itself

so yes without the proc

Cuyler · April 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

I am able to get 3.4k spell damage with buffs, power surge and structured entropy up
Sorcerer.
4 PC martial knowledge.
2 pc adroitness
2 PC cyrodils light (spell damage enchant)
2 PC torugs pact
2 Stygian daggers (2 PC spell damage increase)

I have gotten crystal frags to crit for 25k+

Hmm...Interesting; however, I probably won't be using daggers for my magicka build.

frag spam( it doesent work with spellweaving thx to the broken cast animation) with that setup is better than light/medium+force shock+cf procs from my observations

Are you spamming without the proc as well?

never observed frags procing itself so yes without the proc

Interesting, thanks for the input. Definitely something to look into.