How much health is needed for various roles to PVE effectively?

Saltypretzels · April 2015

I am curious as to rules of thumb for getting your health to recommended amounts in order to run Vet Dungeons. For VR14, I've heard 30,000 for tanks and around 20,000 for DPS. Not sure about heals.

Also, I am curious how this decreases in lower vet levels. I have a VR3 tank and I want to start learning the dungeons but obviously 30,000 is out of reach and probably an overkill in anycase. What is a more appropriate number?

Khivas_Carrick · April 2015

DPS and Heals need 18 to 20k, Tanks 25 to 30k.

likewow777 · April 2015

I have a VR6 DPS right now who has 21k of health, including the emperorship alliance buff, and she's an Imperial. Subtract all that, and it would be around 18k. You're 3 VR levels lower, but you're also a tank, so 18-20k might be a good value to shoot for. At VR14, you're also going to probably be wearing 2-3 item sets, with better enchants, not to mention eating food that gives ~3.5k health all on its own, all of which would give you the magical 25k+ for tanking.

EDIT: I almost forgot, one of my guildmasters has a VR2 tank that I was grouping with, and she had ~18k health.

Cody · April 2015

DPS roles need to focus on their damage and healers on heals, so they do not need nearly as much health as a tank does.

id say DPS and heals need at least 18-20Kish. enough to the point where one wont die in one hit.

tanks probably close to 40K or mid 30Ks.

AssaultLemming · April 2015

Dps need 19 to 20k, I've tried with 18k you still get one shot.

Cody · April 2015

AssaultLemming wrote: »

Dps need 19 to 20k, I've tried with 18k you still get one shot.

alright. so 19-20K it is. Just enough to where one can survive the powerful hard hitters.

Dagoth_Rac · April 2015

My DPS got hit by Possessed Mantikora for 104,000 damage over the weekend. "Enraged Culminating Stomp" or something like that. So I'd say DPS need at least 105K health to not get one-shot. :-)

likewow777 · April 2015

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

My DPS got hit by Possessed Mantikora for 104,000 damage over the weekend. "Enraged Culminating Stomp" or something like that. So I'd say DPS need at least 105K health to not get one-shot. :-)

*clicks LOL button*

aco5712 · April 2015

I personally tank with 21k at vr14 without emperor buff. Tbh, if you have enough mitigation and block, you won't get one shot as a tank.

Tanked all vet dungeons. Don't do trials so couldn't say for that if 21k is enough.

Saltypretzels · April 2015

Thanks for advice everyone.

What about healers? Same as DPS?

Observant · April 2015

As a Healer, with Tri-food, I've got 19k health (with The Lord mundus) and 26k Magicka. Seems to be working wonders right now! Keep in mind Dampen Magicka is up 100% of the time, and I sometimes slot Blazing Shield if heavy Physical damage is in the area.

Jules · April 2015

Yeah I agree w most above. 19-20k is perfect. I run at like 19.5 on my entropy bar and 18.5 on my off

golfer.dub17_ESO · April 2015

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

DPS and Heals need 18 to 20k, Tanks 25 to 30k.

Is that with or without food?

Saltypretzels · April 2015

With food. If you are using a drink instead, probably hitting the lower amount in those ranges would work... As long as you aren't getting one shotted.

For my tank I'm currently doing drinks and it is working for me (but I'm no expert and am not end game yet). The dev's have said that drinks are now designed to fully make up the equivalent amount of food bonuses within 20 seconds. Logically speaking, that means that for any fight that lasts longer than 20 seconds, a drink would be better than the equivalent level food.

Once again, as long as you aren't being one shotted because in that case you would need a bigger overall pool and thus food.

I'm interested if that line of thought makes sense to people who are more experienced than me.

Robbmrp · April 2015

To not get one shotted in dungeons you should have a bare minimum 18k not including a food buff. Even that at times can be too low. Some of these bosses hit for almost 21k at times. I ran a Vet 14 Group last night in Elden Hollow and one of our DPS's was getting one shotted as they only had 16k health....You can't heal through that. If your health is that low and aren't running a shield of some sort your dead meat now.

yake82 · April 2015

Speaking of Elden Hollow, Bogdan has nasty habit having the fireball and next attack landing at same time causing the tank hp to dip quite heavily.

I have roughly 23-24k hp and use tri-drinks. At some point i considered using food instead against Bogdan.

Evandus · April 2015

I currently run my tank at about 28,500hp with food buffs. My dps at about 18-20,000 hp with food buffs. And, my healer at about 22,000 hp with food buffs.

Hope that helps.

Lykurgis · April 2015

Did serpent hardmode with 18k HP (thats with food and no pvp buffs) and didn't die at any point during that 703 second f***fest, so I guess u can probably go lower still with ace healers/raid awareness.

Fair warning though any loose mob that uppercuts will murder u instantly and you can't lag within 5 meters of anything red. Hope you have tanks that taunt everything.

HeWhoCaresNot · April 2015

20k is great for dps, 25-30k is great for tanks. If you get hit by something passive (the whirlwinds, aoes) it will be around 17-18k even with good resistance, so 20k is a great number to not frustrate the healers