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Every patch AD and EP players all do their very best to run the same builds , blob up and spam what evers the FOTM ability ? You never see "OMG DC STOP !" Using what ever threads cause DC players just don't FOTM in the majority . Even when out numbered . Does faction choice have something to do with old pvp players being more independent and unique rolling DC ? Is it just new pvp players that join EP and AD that run these cookie cutter builds that spam lagtastic ultimates that ruin other enjoyment ? I just wonder if a lack of maturity or originality some how influences players into these "Guilds" that promote this behavior . Sure there's no "official rule" about any of it but aren't some of you old enough to have some loose code of fair fair play and community enjoyment ? Or are you just so wrapped up in "winning" a mmo (that's a 20 year old joke now) that you just don't care about anyone but the people in your chat channel ?
Maybe no ones ever showed you old games where rival guilds would have organized fight in off locations because the respect for ones adversary . May it's a million things . But if you some how stand out or are considered a good pvp player because you run with these people with no regard for having a good time , you're straight up mistaken . Most of the time when I hear someone even utter some of those guild names I straight up laugh .
The constructive part ....
It's never to late to start being cool and a great fighter . This isn't one of those pvp MMOs where if Ya don't run the exact build you won't be viable . It's also never to late for some of your guilds to take an original direction and make some new and cool tactics to roll people with . The score board means nothing to most pvp fight purists . Why not change the stigma of the past and break away from some of the crap we know is frying the server . Seriously , despite all the shop talk and flaming back and forth , there comes a point in every mmo the Devs leave the players to figure things out on their own . I'm looking forward to another year of ESO pvp and I will find the fights I'm looking for . Those fights don't include crashing the server .
You can blame ZOS till the forums melt but we already know we have a solution they don't right now . So if you know how to fix your vehicle right now but want to wait 10 times the time because it's the dealers job , are you the type to go without a car on principle ? Take some self responsibility in life . Make changes on templates that plummet server performance . For Kriest sake do it for your selves so they'll still be people around to war with .
Just think about it .
Edited by Roechacca on 28 March 2015 04:51 Maybe no ones ever showed you old games where rival guilds would have organized fight in off locations because the respect for ones adversary . May it's a million things . But if you some how stand out or are considered a good pvp player because you run with these people with no regard for having a good time , you're straight up mistaken . Most of the time when I hear someone even utter some of those guild names I straight up laugh .
The constructive part ....
It's never to late to start being cool and a great fighter . This isn't one of those pvp MMOs where if Ya don't run the exact build you won't be viable . It's also never to late for some of your guilds to take an original direction and make some new and cool tactics to roll people with . The score board means nothing to most pvp fight purists . Why not change the stigma of the past and break away from some of the crap we know is frying the server . Seriously , despite all the shop talk and flaming back and forth , there comes a point in every mmo the Devs leave the players to figure things out on their own . I'm looking forward to another year of ESO pvp and I will find the fights I'm looking for . Those fights don't include crashing the server .
You can blame ZOS till the forums melt but we already know we have a solution they don't right now . So if you know how to fix your vehicle right now but want to wait 10 times the time because it's the dealers job , are you the type to go without a car on principle ? Take some self responsibility in life . Make changes on templates that plummet server performance . For Kriest sake do it for your selves so they'll still be people around to war with .
Just think about it .
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xDOVAHKIINx✭✭✭I cant believe you took the time out of your life to type this non sense.Edited by xDOVAHKIINx on 28 March 2015 04:58"According to most of the people on these forums, every organized 16 man guild group is a lagblobbing pulsespamming zerg."-Fmonk16
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✭✭✭xDOVAHKIINx wrote: »I cant believe you took the time out of your life to type this non sense.
I can't believe you couldn't type a useful statement even with hitting the edit key . Maybe debates not your strong point . Let's have a Spelling B instead .16 -
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I will take this opportunity to point out blue are the only ones I see spamming impulse. I still love you guys but come on Apollos4 -
krim✭✭✭✭✭xDOVAHKIINx wrote: »I cant believe you took the time out of your life to type this non sense.
I can't believe you couldn't type a useful statement even with hitting the edit key . Maybe debates not your strong point . Let's have a Spelling B instead .
I dont understand why everyone is always so mad. Are all online games like this?0 -
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✭✭✭ I will take this opportunity to point out blue are the only ones I see spamming impulse. I still love you guys but come on
I'm in Cyrodiil every day for a few hours . I haven't seen a pulse train in DC since November last year and that was a very small guild . So I'm gonna say ...na3 -
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✭✭✭If there are some DC during the time I'm off doing this , They too should really stop and read this as well . I told you guys over the last year , ZOS is going to abandon pvp at some point . Just like the Secret World did , just like SWTOR did . That if this play style continues expect people to leave (not me) and expect the Devs time to be completely sucked up by performance problems .
Well here we are a year later ... Told Ya .
The next thing will be F2P and just kiss Dev time towards pvp bye bye . The PVE audience is a lot easier to please and cater too then pvp players constantly looking for ways to beat the system . It doesn't matter if you leave . I'll be here pvping till the servers close laughing at every nerf and crazy new implementation added that drives these players nuts . I've watched a few MMO's close their doors on pvp and eventually their whole game over messed up balancing in pvE from pvp . Happens for real . Maybe , if you like the game , stop being so puerile and participate in the solutions a little .1 -
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✭✭✭NadiusMaximus wrote: »DC still plays?
Hadn't noticed.
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Galalin✭✭✭✭✭xDOVAHKIINx wrote: »I cant believe you took the time out of your life to type this non sense.
This guy makes me laugh... you should all check out his other posts.... unmatchable quality and in depth responses all around.
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✭✭✭75% of DC are archers. The other 25% use the same builds you criticize for lack of originality. That's why it's funny you spent that much time typing out an essay for PvP class.
Are the bows lagging out the server now ? I wish they'd make sling shots a weapon . Just so I could peg a few goofballs in the pants . I'd settle for a ghetto Apple or a two by heavy . If a bow is slowing down server performance for everyone , I'd like to suggest hand thrown bricks in the next update and will make a new build just for it .2 -
Jauriel✭✭✭✭NadiusMaximus wrote: »DC still plays?
Hadn't noticed.
What faction are you ? Who are you fighting every day ?
Don't feed the resident hobo. He just keeps coming back if you do. :-/1 -
prose08b14a_ESO✭✭✭I am all for some personal accountability and common decency. Can this become the new FOTM?1
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Idk about you, but I prefer to be efficient. Better, faster, cheaper.Decibel GM
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✭✭✭I'm sorry, but I'm just not seeing this adaptable and unique builds DC you're talking about. I was in Cyrodiil quite a bit today and participated in several skirmishes and large battles against DC. Given the most recent changes, you'd expect to see at least a few individuals in a large group with certain abilities.
Not DC. EP and AD? Oh yeah. Lots happening there. But DC seems like it's still playing something pre-unlimited, IMO. I think the only reason they are doing as well as they are right now is because EP and AD are too busy beating the crap out of each other over a frickin bridge."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."3 -
skarvika✭✭✭✭It does seem that way. Playing in DC, I notice a lot of variety in builds and perhaps that's why we're constantly getting steamrolled. Feels like I'm always fighting the same little group, but when I check Kill Counter I see a looooong string of names...why doesn't it feel like I'm actually killing that many different people?
Ultimately though, can you really blame them? They've discovered a build that will just destroy everyone, so why not have as many people in the faction as possible using it? Really this is a problem on ZOS' end; every class and skill should be a viable option for PVP. If not, it just becomes meta where everyone runs the same thing because everything else sucks in comparison.Edited by skarvika on 28 March 2015 07:55QQing is a full time job1 -
Pancake-Tragedy✭✭✭✭✭It does seem that way. Playing in DC, I notice a lot of variety in builds and perhaps that's why we're constantly getting steamrolled. Feels like I'm always fighting the same little group, but when I check Kill Counter I see a looooong string of names...why doesn't it feel like I'm actually killing that many different people?
Ultimately though, can you really blame them? They've discovered a build that will just destroy everyone, so why not have as many people in the faction as possible using it? Really this is a problem on ZOS' end; every class and skill should be a viable option for PVP. If not, it just becomes meta where everyone runs the same thing because everything else sucks in comparison.
Most of the players on DC make builds that are for "fun" then complain in /zone about how they are getting wrecked and why noone is there to help them win stuff.
When given suggestions they say, "I play how I want and when you pay my sub..." or, "No, they are obviously hacking/cheating/exploiting/this game is BS"
Learn to play? Not even once. Not an option for DC.
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this.Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »It does seem that way. Playing in DC, I notice a lot of variety in builds and perhaps that's why we're constantly getting steamrolled. Feels like I'm always fighting the same little group, but when I check Kill Counter I see a looooong string of names...why doesn't it feel like I'm actually killing that many different people?
Ultimately though, can you really blame them? They've discovered a build that will just destroy everyone, so why not have as many people in the faction as possible using it? Really this is a problem on ZOS' end; every class and skill should be a viable option for PVP. If not, it just becomes meta where everyone runs the same thing because everything else sucks in comparison.
Most of the players on DC make builds that are for "fun" then complain in /zone about how they are getting wrecked and why noone is there to help them win stuff.
When given suggestions they say, "I play how I want and when you pay my sub..." or, "No, they are obviously hacking/cheating/exploiting/this game is BS"
Learn to play? Not even once. Not an option for DC.
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Jauriel✭✭✭✭I'm sorry, but I'm just not seeing this adaptable and unique builds DC you're talking about. I was in Cyrodiil quite a bit today and participated in several skirmishes and large battles against DC. Given the most recent changes, you'd expect to see at least a few individuals in a large group with certain abilities.
Not DC. EP and AD? Oh yeah. Lots happening there. But DC seems like it's still playing something pre-unlimited, IMO. I think the only reason they are doing as well as they are right now is because EP and AD are too busy beating the crap out of each other over a frickin bridge.
Wow you went in every group and every teamspeak and asked every player to explain their build to you? Did you like, play the game AT ALL?0 -
Jauriel✭✭✭✭Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »It does seem that way. Playing in DC, I notice a lot of variety in builds and perhaps that's why we're constantly getting steamrolled. Feels like I'm always fighting the same little group, but when I check Kill Counter I see a looooong string of names...why doesn't it feel like I'm actually killing that many different people?
Ultimately though, can you really blame them? They've discovered a build that will just destroy everyone, so why not have as many people in the faction as possible using it? Really this is a problem on ZOS' end; every class and skill should be a viable option for PVP. If not, it just becomes meta where everyone runs the same thing because everything else sucks in comparison.
Most of the players on DC make builds that are for "fun" then complain in /zone about how they are getting wrecked and why noone is there to help them win stuff.
When given suggestions they say, "I play how I want and when you pay my sub..." or, "No, they are obviously hacking/cheating/exploiting/this game is BS"
Learn to play? Not even once. Not an option for DC.
Wow who knew you were such a traitorous scrub.
You're one of the chatty Kathy's in zone I always wonder are they actually playing or just using this game as a social outlet because they have no other friends?
Groups and players call out for help when we are outnumbered. Isn't that what a faction is supposed to do? Work TOGETHER? It is the divisiveness caused by people like you that is the cause for our downfall. There are a LOT of dedicated and talented DC players who constantly kill enemies. NPK and LB/LOM ( I am confusing when which is running sometimes) wiped ep again and again last night at Chalman and nearly wrecked them at Arrius until the lag won the day there.
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pancake is a good/smart player, and last I remember he rolls with LB...one of the guilds you mentioned there. Not sure how his comment was out of line, its true. DC has a lot of "group" players running solo builds that do not help the group. When you suggest they change things up for the sake of the group(even something as little as running maneuvers/caltops), a few of them are unwilling to do so.Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »It does seem that way. Playing in DC, I notice a lot of variety in builds and perhaps that's why we're constantly getting steamrolled. Feels like I'm always fighting the same little group, but when I check Kill Counter I see a looooong string of names...why doesn't it feel like I'm actually killing that many different people?
Ultimately though, can you really blame them? They've discovered a build that will just destroy everyone, so why not have as many people in the faction as possible using it? Really this is a problem on ZOS' end; every class and skill should be a viable option for PVP. If not, it just becomes meta where everyone runs the same thing because everything else sucks in comparison.
Most of the players on DC make builds that are for "fun" then complain in /zone about how they are getting wrecked and why noone is there to help them win stuff.
When given suggestions they say, "I play how I want and when you pay my sub..." or, "No, they are obviously hacking/cheating/exploiting/this game is BS"
Learn to play? Not even once. Not an option for DC.
Wow who knew you were such a traitorous scrub.
You're one of the chatty Kathy's in zone I always wonder are they actually playing or just using this game as a social outlet because they have no other friends?
Groups and players call out for help when we are outnumbered. Isn't that what a faction is supposed to do? Work TOGETHER? It is the divisiveness caused by people like you that is the cause for our downfall. There are a LOT of dedicated and talented DC players who constantly kill enemies. NPK and LB/LOM ( I am confusing when which is running sometimes) wiped ep again and again last night at Chalman and nearly wrecked them at Arrius until the lag won the day there.
If DC is so bad to you then you know where the door is Pancake, you can get to steppin and follow Brandon.
Edited by EskimoBrother on 28 March 2015 13:22
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I started mmorpgs about 11 years ago. There were always few jackasses, but everyone knew they were jackasses and treated them appropriately. It seems like during the last 5 years the jackass mentality became "cool". Now you have people going out of their way to be jackasses in hopes of being accepted by the "cool" jackasses.xDOVAHKIINx wrote: »I cant believe you took the time out of your life to type this non sense.
I can't believe you couldn't type a useful statement even with hitting the edit key . Maybe debates not your strong point . Let's have a Spelling B instead .
I dont understand why everyone is always so mad. Are all online games like this?
The only difference in online game communities are the percentage of jackasses and jackass wannabes. To ESO's credit the percentage of jackasses is relatively small compared to the community as a whole, they just say and have the ability to do really obnoxious things to make sure you know they are there.
To DC's credit we've ran off the majority of those jackasses. Imho that's probably the biggest difference between the 3 factions, the level of acceptance of jackasses.
Edited by TheBull on 28 March 2015 13:36Killed by Sunshine 1vX How I see it.
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Jauriel✭✭✭✭Except that's not what Pancake said. He/she is claiming people in "zone" complain they're getting wrecked. Frankly I have never seen that and I play a lot. And if your claim is Pancake is referring to people in a group is he/she referring to LB then?
Please explain solo build to me. I find this fascinating this claim that everyone needs to rework their build to dance to someone else's tune. No group held my hand when I built my NB. And frankly, many people don't have 24 hours to devote to the game to tailor make a whole new build to suit what someone else thinks they should be. A lot of us on DC have jobs and kids and businesses and other commitments. We play this game to have FUN. Not to be elitist snobs who pick apart one another and try to dictate their build.
Games by nature are supposed to be fun. Appreciate the variety in builds and try to use them for the benefit of the group. That's what teamwork is about-finding out what build and what player works here or there. Got a stealthy archer? Send him to 50/50 a keep or take a resource. Got some good healers? Direct them to pop siege bubbles and heal with all their might. It's not that complicated.
DC does work together from time to time. But yeah sometimes we are outnumbered and we do wipe. My goodness doesn't everyone?? And the negative nitpicking against one another serves no purpose. Calling your own faction out on a forum and trying to shame them also serves no purpose.1 -
farrier_ESO✭✭✭This has been a problem for a while.
"These Romans: they always make the Legionary build, and zerg rush us in Turtle formation. Why don't they try some of the unique builds that we barbarians use? The Boudicca Chariot? The Welsh Bowman? I warned them last year, if they keep just systematically destroying us, people are gonna leave, and then who will they have to fight against?"Yet another indie games programmer.
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pancake is a good/smart player, and last I remember he rolls with LB...one of the guilds you mentioned there. Not sure how his comment was out of line, its true. DC has a lot of "group" players running solo builds that do not help the group. When you suggest they change things up for the sake of the group(even something as little as running maneuvers/caltops), a few of them are unwilling to do so.Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »It does seem that way. Playing in DC, I notice a lot of variety in builds and perhaps that's why we're constantly getting steamrolled. Feels like I'm always fighting the same little group, but when I check Kill Counter I see a looooong string of names...why doesn't it feel like I'm actually killing that many different people?
Ultimately though, can you really blame them? They've discovered a build that will just destroy everyone, so why not have as many people in the faction as possible using it? Really this is a problem on ZOS' end; every class and skill should be a viable option for PVP. If not, it just becomes meta where everyone runs the same thing because everything else sucks in comparison.
Most of the players on DC make builds that are for "fun" then complain in /zone about how they are getting wrecked and why noone is there to help them win stuff.
When given suggestions they say, "I play how I want and when you pay my sub..." or, "No, they are obviously hacking/cheating/exploiting/this game is BS"
Learn to play? Not even once. Not an option for DC.
Wow who knew you were such a traitorous scrub.
You're one of the chatty Kathy's in zone I always wonder are they actually playing or just using this game as a social outlet because they have no other friends?
Groups and players call out for help when we are outnumbered. Isn't that what a faction is supposed to do? Work TOGETHER? It is the divisiveness caused by people like you that is the cause for our downfall. There are a LOT of dedicated and talented DC players who constantly kill enemies. NPK and LB/LOM ( I am confusing when which is running sometimes) wiped ep again and again last night at Chalman and nearly wrecked them at Arrius until the lag won the day there.
If DC is so bad to you then you know where the door is Pancake, you can get to steppin and follow Brandon.
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Pancake-Tragedy✭✭✭✭✭Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »It does seem that way. Playing in DC, I notice a lot of variety in builds and perhaps that's why we're constantly getting steamrolled. Feels like I'm always fighting the same little group, but when I check Kill Counter I see a looooong string of names...why doesn't it feel like I'm actually killing that many different people?
Ultimately though, can you really blame them? They've discovered a build that will just destroy everyone, so why not have as many people in the faction as possible using it? Really this is a problem on ZOS' end; every class and skill should be a viable option for PVP. If not, it just becomes meta where everyone runs the same thing because everything else sucks in comparison.
Most of the players on DC make builds that are for "fun" then complain in /zone about how they are getting wrecked and why noone is there to help them win stuff.
When given suggestions they say, "I play how I want and when you pay my sub..." or, "No, they are obviously hacking/cheating/exploiting/this game is BS"
Learn to play? Not even once. Not an option for DC.
Wow who knew you were such a traitorous scrub.
You're one of the chatty Kathy's in zone I always wonder are they actually playing or just using this game as a social outlet because they have no other friends?
Groups and players call out for help when we are outnumbered. Isn't that what a faction is supposed to do? Work TOGETHER? It is the divisiveness caused by people like you that is the cause for our downfall. There are a LOT of dedicated and talented DC players who constantly kill enemies. NPK and LB/LOM ( I am confusing when which is running sometimes) wiped ep again and again last night at Chalman and nearly wrecked them at Arrius until the lag won the day there.
If DC is so bad to you then you know where the door is Pancake, you can get to steppin and follow Brandon.
First I want to say, I don't speak for LB at all and this is purely coming from me.
It sounds like I struck a nerve here. That comment wasn't directed at you but if the shoe fits...
Now, I feel that it is stupid that I have to explain myself with that comment but here it goes. If you found a build that is working for you, then use it. I'm not saying anything about people that come up with builds instead of using the meta-builds, my comment is directed towards the players that are getting wrecked over and over and refusing to learn from their mistakes.
Everything I'm saying here isn't anything I haven't said in /zone before and I find it ironic that you have this strong of a stance against what I said since I also see you in caps all the time calling DC worthless when they weren't where ever your group was at the time and you wiped.Edited by Pancake-Tragedy on 28 March 2015 13:56Pancake Tragedy - Sorcerer3
