Fatalyis wrote: »

No, you aren't alone. I've seen countless posts about it on here, and I have to agree. I would have much rather them kept Haste and replaced Agony with something more beneficial.

That being said, the only time I was able to proc the Spectral Arrow (and actually notice I had procced it) was during a small skirmish at a keep.....I was on the wall spamming heavy attacks in an effort to use the Arrow and when I finally got it to work I was completely underwhelmed. It's a lame skill. I think that maybe it should work similar to Deadly Cloak, where you activate the buff, and then if you activate it again you fire the projectile. Just a thought.

Agreed, I almost feel like they should just remove the whole charge thing and just change the skills cost/damage and make it more like dark flare/crystal frags so it's more like a ranged nuke skill. Give it a cast time or make you cast it twice idc.

Especially since magicka builds don't really have a nuke (funnel health has lame damage). They could make the skill so that if you morph it one way it has the same functionality as before, and another more makes it into a nuke type spell or something. That way it can please both groups of people (if anyone actually likes the skill that is)

imo I think we got the worst new skill when compared to templar or dk.

The skill is really just a "I've got an empty spot on my bar I want to fill" kinda thing, which rarely happens.

8% damage increase and 10% stamina recovery for some mana, that's all that skill does.
No one, is going to actually use that many light attacks, let alone heavy attacks in a 20 seconds span. So the proc, nifty as it might be, is pretty much wasted.

They ought to change this skill, make the damage/stamina recovery passive while the skill is on the bar. And make the bow an active effect for using the skill. (perhaps an expensive version to avoid spamming.

Solanum wrote: »

The skill is really just a "I've got an empty spot on my bar I want to fill" kinda thing, which rarely happens.

8% damage increase and 10% stamina recovery for some mana, that's all that skill does.
No one, is going to actually use that many light attacks, let alone heavy attacks in a 20 seconds span. So the proc, nifty as it might be, is pretty much wasted.

They ought to change this skill, make the damage/stamina recovery passive while the skill is on the bar. And make the bow an active effect for using the skill. (perhaps an expensive version to avoid spamming.

I definitely agree, they should make the bow an active skill it's such a waste of a good animation/decent damage skill. They can change the cost of the skill etc to make it fair. But ya like you said let's be serious nobody is getting that many light attacks in such a short period of time.

Overall the skill isn't fun, and it feels like a waste.

Edit: If by some miracle a ZOS staff member reads this thread can you pass this feedback onto the combat team and Eric.

Edit 2: I even asked sypherpk a renowned eso twich streamer and a really good nightblade and he agreed that with me saying that 8 light attacks in 20 seconds was too much and he didn't like the skill.

its worthless.


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pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Father wrote: »

That skill is not only useless in pvp but in PVE as well. they should change it to dmg shield or somthing since the game got harder and the only class without a dmg shield left is NB :<

Also we have no Synergie Ability like Talons, Shards, Splash...

Well most of our synergy abilities are ultimates like Veil of blades/ bolstering darkness, Soul siphon/ Soul Shred. Also we have also a passive now that can increase the physical crit of allies but other than that that's it. TBH I do not want a synergy skill since the synergy is most likely going to be cooler than the actually skill and I rather have a unique skill that I would use for myself and not my allies.

As for this skill, the buff is great but the spectral arrow is not fun because you have to do non-practical stuff to get it and its not worth the sacrifice. Even though this element does not work it is still better than haste, that skill was only useful for it morphs and not the actually skill itself.

What they need to do is fixed this skill so that we can actually use the spectral arrow in a fun way. Do something to Agony, since it is a worthless skill and has no merit and it does not fit the class line and fixed the executioner passive since it not even a practical passive now. If they can fixed these non- valuable skills , I would be happy.

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Father wrote: »

That skill is not only useless in pvp but in PVE as well. they should change it to dmg shield or somthing since the game got harder and the only class without a dmg shield left is NB :<

Also we have no Synergie Ability like Talons, Shards, Splash...

[...] I rather have a unique skill that I would use for myself and not my allies. -> ITS AN MMO !!!

Do something to Agony, since it is a worthless skill

yes yes yes yes yes yeah yes please yes yeah !!!!

I don't think they will replace grim focus with agony, but I think my suggestion of splitting the morphs is a good idea. Similar to how templars dark flare morph works. One becomes an AOE close range ability, the other becomes a ranged nuke.

They could do the same with grim focus keep one morph of grim focus just as a buff with stam regen/dmg increase, and the other morph remove all the buffs and just give us a nuke.

If that's too much effort for the devs at decrease the charges required to 4; and reset the abilities duration once it becomes spectral arrow to give people a chance to actually use the damn skill before it expires.

Anyone have any other suggestions?

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

I don't remember, but doesn't it work with light attacks too? If you're using a bow, the usual poison arrow/light attack spam should get you to 8 pretty quick if you do archery. They also increased the speed of the light attacks. I guess it really depends how you play in PvP, but with my usual style I don't think it would be that hard, at least with a bow.

trust me, you wont be getting off 8 light/heavy attacks in a short period of time in PvP unless the enemy hides behind block the entire time and does not move.

Now for PvE im sure one could, and it could be helpful for bosses(as long as its not one of those ridiculous DPS race bosses)

To those who think you can actually get this skill off in PvP let's look at the math for a second. 20 / 8 = 2.5 so basically to get this skill off you need to use a light attack at least every 2.5 seconds. Now that is fairly easy to do if all you do it light attack, but if all you do is light attack your dps is going to suck and your better off using another skill since the bow's burst will not help.

So the logical thing to do is light attack weave this skill in with another ability but that cuts down you 2.5 seconds leaving you with like .5 seconds extra. .5 seconds x 8 light attack weaves = 4 seconds. So if you pull off a perfect light attack weave combination that leaves you around 4 seconds to use your bow skill before it resets on you.

Now let me bring this to reality. IN PVP THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Even in PvE there are boss fights where you can end up hard pressed too get a perfect light attack weave combination like that off, forget getting this to work with heavy attacks. There are times when you have to dodge, there are times when you must block, you get stunned in PvP, you can't be attacking 100% of the time because you may be running around a rock or casting a heal or something. The only way to get this skill off is if you give 100% of your attention and focus to getting it off which is unreasonable.

Not to mention that say a miracle happens and you do get your bow skill to proc. You have NO CHOICE to decide when you want to use that skill in an encounter. Want to save it up to burst someone down and then use a finisher? Nope! Want to use it to break a shield? Nope! Want to know why? Well that's because by the time you get the god damn skill to proc you have only a few seconds to use the skill before it resets. FORCING you to use it the very second that you get the skill proc'd or face it reseting.

These are only a few reasons why this skill is completely useless. I mean you have a marginally easier time getting it off in PvE but let's be realistic here. Whoever designed this skill was not thinking about this practically, yes if you look at it mathematically it's possible. But in reality there are to many obsticals blocking it's path to being useful, not to mention that there are other skills that are. 1) easier to use 2) less headache than this skill.

At the very least if they are to lazy to re-work the skill they should at minimum reduce the charges required to 4 or double the duration.

IMO, they need to either revert Grim Focus back to Haste, or re-work it. As it stands now, it doesn't work well at all.

Changing it to be similar to DK's Inferno could be good, or just re-design it completely. Assassination line could actually do well with a nice DD ability outside of Ambush which is an opener and nothing more - maybe even make it poison damage, with the morphs adding different debuffs (i.e. one adds a poison which lowers spell resistance; another poison debuffs the target's strength and lowers damage, similar to Low Slash).

Anyways, plenty of options and ideas floating around out there to work with. The end result is that it needs fixing, because I can't see any NB actually using it in its current state.

I'm worried that they won't even bother to fix it. Then we will have two useless skills, grim focus and agony.