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With 1.6 update moved to week of March 2nd, will NA be getting another character copy to PTS?
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Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Seriously, did you expect any change to what we have now?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We're not currently planning on releasing any additional patches or doing another character copy for the PTS before Update 6 is released.
So... What happened to your previous post saying Eric was reading our suggestions and you'd soon have news for us Sorcerers? You are really planning to release your "rebalanced" game with a class feeling wronged, cheated and completely powerless?
Well played...
All I expected was Eric to rebut our views with some non-specific comments, he's clearly set on his path and it seems facts aren't going to sway him, he's entirely focused on PVP (like he was in the 'Live' stream) and seemingly couldn't get a damn about the PVE side.
I did expect changes, yes. Currently our only Magicka DPS alternative is the "Togglemancer" which in it self is a problem as it offers no flexibility at all, but more importantly, will be banished from all serious Trial runs as the pets cause problems.
I've mentioned it before here, in ESO Live (Eric even responded to my question) and in the meeting my guild had with @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, pets drain the healers resources and serve as channel for bosses attacks such as chain lightening on The Mage. So sorcerers bring no utility, rely on pets that may wipe your raid just to produce mediocre DPS... Why would anyone with half a brain allow a sorcerer into trials or even dungeon runs?
So yes, I expected changes to sorcerers, but I guess Zenimax just wants us to leave or roll Templars, the new OP of the month.
Why not start your own group to do those runs?
Because I do have half a brain and know how useless Sorcerers will be on 1.6.
They cant hold up the entire game trying to please one class.
Yes, Zenimax proved that by releasing ESO with Nighblades having 50% of their abilities completely bugged.
Now they relaunch the game with Sorcerers completely useless. We lack any form of Utility, our damage is extremely reliant on Toggled Pets that can easily cause your Raid to wipe, we can't heal well, we can't tank at all... But hey, release the game.
I mean, ESO's image with the general gaming scene was actually recovering, so why not tarnish it again by proving once more that Zenimax just doesn't care.
I have a VR10 sorc. I dont find him useless. I was soloing on lvl dolmens and world bosses on PTS as well as on live. I think the whole hyperbole with people claiming things like they are completely useless etc does not help matters. People coming into the game wont be running trials with all the latest gear and 3600 CP. Balance is something they will be working on for years and years. how long do they hold this up trying to get it exactly right?
Oh, you are a leveling sorcerer...
You really should reserve your opinion to when it actually become relevant. When you reach vr14 and no one wants to take you into a serious trial run because you don't have enough DPS, then you will understand.
Again, Sorcerers have NO utility for a raid since Negate was mangled in 1.6 - Templars still have Nova, Nightblades still have Veil, DKs still have Corrosive Armor and Chains.
Sorcerers are the worst DPS in 1.5 closely followed by Magicka Nightblades. 1.6 is not changing that as pet builds will be banned from raids until Zenimax decides to keep pets from chaining boss attacks and stealing heals from the tank.
When you experience that and not just "oh, I am leveling fine through the nerfed veteran content", then you can talk about how useful sorcerers actually are.
Hmm so only VR14 sorcerers count? I didnt know that. My bad.
To discuss end content balance? Yes, only vr14 count, I am sorry if it sounds cold, but it is true. You don't know how your DPS will be, you don't know how trials work and how useless a sorcerer can feel because none of their class ultimates are actually useful. You don't know how frustrating it is to regret your class choice so much.
Here I thought we were discussing class balance as a whole. I didnt know we were ONLY discussing end game top end vr14 balance. If I became frustrated with my class choice Id just try another class. I understand wanting them to work on end game balance but you have to understand thats but one part of a massive game. Class balance is an ongoing thing that will happen the entire life of the game.
Ive played MMOs since Ultima Online was in beta. all of them people complain of over powered classes and flavor of the month builds. Its an ongoing effort its not something they can make everyone happy with basically ever. If everyone is happy expect WWIII right after.
Would you enjoy being FORCED to level a new character because your main, the character you like and worked a whole year to build, was nerfed to the point of being useless? I don't...
Before this mess with 1.6 I was actually leveling a DK, but every time I log into that character now, all I can feel is profound bitterness towards Zenimax. I want to level my DK to have an ALTERNATIVE to my Main, not because my Main was made useless by their complete failure on balance and bug fix department.
And I am sorry, if you really played other MMOs competitively, you should know Balance is discussed towards End game content and PvP, not leveling. We take the numbers from each class, put it on a [Snip] chart and they should be reasonably similar, ESO fails bluntly at that... Evident on the leader boards where every group has at least 3 - 7 DKs and a max of 2 sorcerers.Edited by Grao on 24 February 2015 15:470 -
Awdwyn✭✭✭Is tired of testing. Can i haz NA toons copied over us EUs please?
To test, or not to test: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;
No more;
You want testing to take a hike off the mortal coil methinks0 -
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✭✭✭NukeAllTheThings wrote: »Let me get this straight.....people want to see this pushed to live without having tested bugs that were considered to be so big that it forced ZOS to miss their internal Feb. deadline? Why even have PTS to begin with? Why not just fling this turd against the wall and let live sort it out from the get go?
Supposedly whats delaying this going live is a sound bug. You play for a while and all sudden you have no sound. Restarting the client fixes it.0 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Seriously, did you expect any change to what we have now?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We're not currently planning on releasing any additional patches or doing another character copy for the PTS before Update 6 is released.
So... What happened to your previous post saying Eric was reading our suggestions and you'd soon have news for us Sorcerers? You are really planning to release your "rebalanced" game with a class feeling wronged, cheated and completely powerless?
Well played...
All I expected was Eric to rebut our views with some non-specific comments, he's clearly set on his path and it seems facts aren't going to sway him, he's entirely focused on PVP (like he was in the 'Live' stream) and seemingly couldn't get a damn about the PVE side.
I did expect changes, yes. Currently our only Magicka DPS alternative is the "Togglemancer" which in it self is a problem as it offers no flexibility at all, but more importantly, will be banished from all serious Trial runs as the pets cause problems.
I've mentioned it before here, in ESO Live (Eric even responded to my question) and in the meeting my guild had with @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, pets drain the healers resources and serve as channel for bosses attacks such as chain lightening on The Mage. So sorcerers bring no utility, rely on pets that may wipe your raid just to produce mediocre DPS... Why would anyone with half a brain allow a sorcerer into trials or even dungeon runs?
So yes, I expected changes to sorcerers, but I guess Zenimax just wants us to leave or roll Templars, the new OP of the month.
Why not start your own group to do those runs?
Because I do have half a brain and know how useless Sorcerers will be on 1.6.
They cant hold up the entire game trying to please one class.
Yes, Zenimax proved that by releasing ESO with Nighblades having 50% of their abilities completely bugged.
Now they relaunch the game with Sorcerers completely useless. We lack any form of Utility, our damage is extremely reliant on Toggled Pets that can easily cause your Raid to wipe, we can't heal well, we can't tank at all... But hey, release the game.
I mean, ESO's image with the general gaming scene was actually recovering, so why not tarnish it again by proving once more that Zenimax just doesn't care.
I have a VR10 sorc. I dont find him useless. I was soloing on lvl dolmens and world bosses on PTS as well as on live. I think the whole hyperbole with people claiming things like they are completely useless etc does not help matters. People coming into the game wont be running trials with all the latest gear and 3600 CP. Balance is something they will be working on for years and years. how long do they hold this up trying to get it exactly right?
Oh, you are a leveling sorcerer...
You really should reserve your opinion to when it actually become relevant. When you reach vr14 and no one wants to take you into a serious trial run because you don't have enough DPS, then you will understand.
Again, Sorcerers have NO utility for a raid since Negate was mangled in 1.6 - Templars still have Nova, Nightblades still have Veil, DKs still have Corrosive Armor and Chains.
Sorcerers are the worst DPS in 1.5 closely followed by Magicka Nightblades. 1.6 is not changing that as pet builds will be banned from raids until Zenimax decides to keep pets from chaining boss attacks and stealing heals from the tank.
When you experience that and not just "oh, I am leveling fine through the nerfed veteran content", then you can talk about how useful sorcerers actually are.
Hmm so only VR14 sorcerers count? I didnt know that. My bad.
To discuss end content balance? Yes, only vr14 count, I am sorry if it sounds cold, but it is true. You don't know how your DPS will be, you don't know how trials work and how useless a sorcerer can feel because none of their class ultimates are actually useful. You don't know how frustrating it is to regret your class choice so much.
Here I thought we were discussing class balance as a whole. I didnt know we were ONLY discussing end game top end vr14 balance. If I became frustrated with my class choice Id just try another class. I understand wanting them to work on end game balance but you have to understand thats but one part of a massive game. Class balance is an ongoing thing that will happen the entire life of the game.
Ive played MMOs since Ultima Online was in beta. all of them people complain of over powered classes and flavor of the month builds. Its an ongoing effort its not something they can make everyone happy with basically ever. If everyone is happy expect WWIII right after.
Would you enjoy being FORCED to level a new character because your main, the character you like and worked a whole year to build, was nerfed to the point of being useless? I don't...
Before this mess with 1.6 I was actually leveling a DK, but every time I log into that character now, all I can feel is profound bitterness towards Zenimax. I want to level my DK to have an ALTERNATIVE to my Main, not because my Main was made useless by their complete failure on balance and bug fix department.
And I am sorry, if you really played other MMOs competitively, you should know Balance is discussed towards End game content and PvP, not leveling. We take the numbers from each class, put it on a [Snip] chart and they should be reasonably similar, ESO fails bluntly at that... Evident on the leader boards where every group has at least 3 - 7 DKs and a max of 2 sorcerers.
I have played other mmos and not everything is about end game raiding and PVP. Thats but a small part of the larger game. I have a VR11 DK, VR10 Sorc, VR10 Templar. I am leveling up a nightblade right now. I like having multiple characters so no matter what the FOTM is I have one. I stopped at VR10 because I cannot stand craglorn. Grinding bores me and Im disabled and cannot move enough to pvp effectively.
There will always be the class thats underpowered and always the classes that are overpowered. Alot of them go from OP to bad to OP again over the course of various updates. My point was we cannot hold up 1.6 for this. They absolutely need at least 2 weeks on live before they open it up to all the new people. They cant just wait till March 17th and hope for the best. Also they cannot move that March 17th date most likely. Now that its announced its coming whether we like it or not. They will work out these balance issues as we go.0 -
Jahosefat✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Seriously, did you expect any change to what we have now?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We're not currently planning on releasing any additional patches or doing another character copy for the PTS before Update 6 is released.
So... What happened to your previous post saying Eric was reading our suggestions and you'd soon have news for us Sorcerers? You are really planning to release your "rebalanced" game with a class feeling wronged, cheated and completely powerless?
Well played...
All I expected was Eric to rebut our views with some non-specific comments, he's clearly set on his path and it seems facts aren't going to sway him, he's entirely focused on PVP (like he was in the 'Live' stream) and seemingly couldn't get a damn about the PVE side.
I did expect changes, yes. Currently our only Magicka DPS alternative is the "Togglemancer" which in it self is a problem as it offers no flexibility at all, but more importantly, will be banished from all serious Trial runs as the pets cause problems.
I've mentioned it before here, in ESO Live (Eric even responded to my question) and in the meeting my guild had with @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, pets drain the healers resources and serve as channel for bosses attacks such as chain lightening on The Mage. So sorcerers bring no utility, rely on pets that may wipe your raid just to produce mediocre DPS... Why would anyone with half a brain allow a sorcerer into trials or even dungeon runs?
So yes, I expected changes to sorcerers, but I guess Zenimax just wants us to leave or roll Templars, the new OP of the month.
Why not start your own group to do those runs?
Because I do have half a brain and know how useless Sorcerers will be on 1.6.
They cant hold up the entire game trying to please one class.
Yes, Zenimax proved that by releasing ESO with Nighblades having 50% of their abilities completely bugged.
Now they relaunch the game with Sorcerers completely useless. We lack any form of Utility, our damage is extremely reliant on Toggled Pets that can easily cause your Raid to wipe, we can't heal well, we can't tank at all... But hey, release the game.
I mean, ESO's image with the general gaming scene was actually recovering, so why not tarnish it again by proving once more that Zenimax just doesn't care.
I have a VR10 sorc. I dont find him useless. I was soloing on lvl dolmens and world bosses on PTS as well as on live. I think the whole hyperbole with people claiming things like they are completely useless etc does not help matters. People coming into the game wont be running trials with all the latest gear and 3600 CP. Balance is something they will be working on for years and years. how long do they hold this up trying to get it exactly right?
Oh, you are a leveling sorcerer...
You really should reserve your opinion to when it actually become relevant. When you reach vr14 and no one wants to take you into a serious trial run because you don't have enough DPS, then you will understand.
Again, Sorcerers have NO utility for a raid since Negate was mangled in 1.6 - Templars still have Nova, Nightblades still have Veil, DKs still have Corrosive Armor and Chains.
Sorcerers are the worst DPS in 1.5 closely followed by Magicka Nightblades. 1.6 is not changing that as pet builds will be banned from raids until Zenimax decides to keep pets from chaining boss attacks and stealing heals from the tank.
When you experience that and not just "oh, I am leveling fine through the nerfed veteran content", then you can talk about how useful sorcerers actually are.
Hmm so only VR14 sorcerers count? I didnt know that. My bad.
To discuss end content balance? Yes, only vr14 count, I am sorry if it sounds cold, but it is true. You don't know how your DPS will be, you don't know how trials work and how useless a sorcerer can feel because none of their class ultimates are actually useful. You don't know how frustrating it is to regret your class choice so much.
Here I thought we were discussing class balance as a whole. I didnt know we were ONLY discussing end game top end vr14 balance. If I became frustrated with my class choice Id just try another class. I understand wanting them to work on end game balance but you have to understand thats but one part of a massive game. Class balance is an ongoing thing that will happen the entire life of the game.
Ive played MMOs since Ultima Online was in beta. all of them people complain of over powered classes and flavor of the month builds. Its an ongoing effort its not something they can make everyone happy with basically ever. If everyone is happy expect WWIII right after.
I'll offer you some perspective: 1.) solo content is super easy right now and you can do it with almost any build, it is not in any way representative of "class balance"; balance infers there is a reference of some sort (other classes) and end-game content is where you see a comparison of class potential. 2.) most people spend most of their time getting to max level as quickly as possible to start doing end-game content; some did this very long ago 3.) some of the game systems such as alliance war rank take a very long time to level if you are not a super grinder, so people get frustrated when they feel they need to re-roll their main to be competitive in end-game content.Joeshock- AD NA AB Thorn Chill Sorc New Eden Low Sec Roamer
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Seriously, did you expect any change to what we have now?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We're not currently planning on releasing any additional patches or doing another character copy for the PTS before Update 6 is released.
So... What happened to your previous post saying Eric was reading our suggestions and you'd soon have news for us Sorcerers? You are really planning to release your "rebalanced" game with a class feeling wronged, cheated and completely powerless?
Well played...
All I expected was Eric to rebut our views with some non-specific comments, he's clearly set on his path and it seems facts aren't going to sway him, he's entirely focused on PVP (like he was in the 'Live' stream) and seemingly couldn't get a damn about the PVE side.
I did expect changes, yes. Currently our only Magicka DPS alternative is the "Togglemancer" which in it self is a problem as it offers no flexibility at all, but more importantly, will be banished from all serious Trial runs as the pets cause problems.
I've mentioned it before here, in ESO Live (Eric even responded to my question) and in the meeting my guild had with @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, pets drain the healers resources and serve as channel for bosses attacks such as chain lightening on The Mage. So sorcerers bring no utility, rely on pets that may wipe your raid just to produce mediocre DPS... Why would anyone with half a brain allow a sorcerer into trials or even dungeon runs?
So yes, I expected changes to sorcerers, but I guess Zenimax just wants us to leave or roll Templars, the new OP of the month.
Why not start your own group to do those runs?
Because I do have half a brain and know how useless Sorcerers will be on 1.6.
They cant hold up the entire game trying to please one class.
Yes, Zenimax proved that by releasing ESO with Nighblades having 50% of their abilities completely bugged.
Now they relaunch the game with Sorcerers completely useless. We lack any form of Utility, our damage is extremely reliant on Toggled Pets that can easily cause your Raid to wipe, we can't heal well, we can't tank at all... But hey, release the game.
I mean, ESO's image with the general gaming scene was actually recovering, so why not tarnish it again by proving once more that Zenimax just doesn't care.
I have a VR10 sorc. I dont find him useless. I was soloing on lvl dolmens and world bosses on PTS as well as on live. I think the whole hyperbole with people claiming things like they are completely useless etc does not help matters. People coming into the game wont be running trials with all the latest gear and 3600 CP. Balance is something they will be working on for years and years. how long do they hold this up trying to get it exactly right?
Oh, you are a leveling sorcerer...
You really should reserve your opinion to when it actually become relevant. When you reach vr14 and no one wants to take you into a serious trial run because you don't have enough DPS, then you will understand.
Again, Sorcerers have NO utility for a raid since Negate was mangled in 1.6 - Templars still have Nova, Nightblades still have Veil, DKs still have Corrosive Armor and Chains.
Sorcerers are the worst DPS in 1.5 closely followed by Magicka Nightblades. 1.6 is not changing that as pet builds will be banned from raids until Zenimax decides to keep pets from chaining boss attacks and stealing heals from the tank.
When you experience that and not just "oh, I am leveling fine through the nerfed veteran content", then you can talk about how useful sorcerers actually are.
Hmm so only VR14 sorcerers count? I didnt know that. My bad.
To discuss end content balance? Yes, only vr14 count, I am sorry if it sounds cold, but it is true. You don't know how your DPS will be, you don't know how trials work and how useless a sorcerer can feel because none of their class ultimates are actually useful. You don't know how frustrating it is to regret your class choice so much.
Here I thought we were discussing class balance as a whole. I didnt know we were ONLY discussing end game top end vr14 balance. If I became frustrated with my class choice Id just try another class. I understand wanting them to work on end game balance but you have to understand thats but one part of a massive game. Class balance is an ongoing thing that will happen the entire life of the game.
Ive played MMOs since Ultima Online was in beta. all of them people complain of over powered classes and flavor of the month builds. Its an ongoing effort its not something they can make everyone happy with basically ever. If everyone is happy expect WWIII right after.
Would you enjoy being FORCED to level a new character because your main, the character you like and worked a whole year to build, was nerfed to the point of being useless? I don't...
Before this mess with 1.6 I was actually leveling a DK, but every time I log into that character now, all I can feel is profound bitterness towards Zenimax. I want to level my DK to have an ALTERNATIVE to my Main, not because my Main was made useless by their complete failure on balance and bug fix department.
And I am sorry, if you really played other MMOs competitively, you should know Balance is discussed towards End game content and PvP, not leveling. We take the numbers from each class, put it on a [Snip] chart and they should be reasonably similar, ESO fails bluntly at that... Evident on the leader boards where every group has at least 3 - 7 DKs and a max of 2 sorcerers.
I have played other mmos and not everything is about end game raiding and PVP. Thats but a small part of the larger game. I have a VR11 DK, VR10 Sorc, VR10 Templar. I am leveling up a nightblade right now. I like having multiple characters so no matter what the FOTM is I have one. I stopped at VR10 because I cannot stand craglorn. Grinding bores me and Im disabled and cannot move enough to pvp effectively.
There will always be the class thats underpowered and always the classes that are overpowered. Alot of them go from OP to bad to OP again over the course of various updates. My point was we cannot hold up 1.6 for this. They absolutely need at least 2 weeks on live before they open it up to all the new people. They cant just wait till March 17th and hope for the best. Also they cannot move that March 17th date most likely. Now that its announced its coming whether we like it or not. They will work out these balance issues as we go.
The problem is, even within the general unbalance between classes, there has to be a point on playing everyone of the classes, specially in a game limited to 4 classes!
My main problem with sorcerers is not the DPS, which is not good, but I could ignore if our Utility was actually good or even in pair with the other classes. Our Utility [Snip]!
We have irrelevant Mitigation to offer the raid, Templars have Nova, Nightblades have Veil, DKs have Corrosive Armor. Sorcerers have... Nothing. We used to be able to dispell enemy placed spells and keep them from targeting the raid, but they mangled Negate because of PvP and now it is useless for PvE.
We have no other Utility other then providing some extra Spell Crit when using Crystal Fragments... Nothing else. And to top that we are the worse DPS, the worse tanks and second worse heals.0 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Seriously, did you expect any change to what we have now?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We're not currently planning on releasing any additional patches or doing another character copy for the PTS before Update 6 is released.
So... What happened to your previous post saying Eric was reading our suggestions and you'd soon have news for us Sorcerers? You are really planning to release your "rebalanced" game with a class feeling wronged, cheated and completely powerless?
Well played...
All I expected was Eric to rebut our views with some non-specific comments, he's clearly set on his path and it seems facts aren't going to sway him, he's entirely focused on PVP (like he was in the 'Live' stream) and seemingly couldn't get a damn about the PVE side.
I did expect changes, yes. Currently our only Magicka DPS alternative is the "Togglemancer" which in it self is a problem as it offers no flexibility at all, but more importantly, will be banished from all serious Trial runs as the pets cause problems.
I've mentioned it before here, in ESO Live (Eric even responded to my question) and in the meeting my guild had with @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, pets drain the healers resources and serve as channel for bosses attacks such as chain lightening on The Mage. So sorcerers bring no utility, rely on pets that may wipe your raid just to produce mediocre DPS... Why would anyone with half a brain allow a sorcerer into trials or even dungeon runs?
So yes, I expected changes to sorcerers, but I guess Zenimax just wants us to leave or roll Templars, the new OP of the month.
Why not start your own group to do those runs?
Because I do have half a brain and know how useless Sorcerers will be on 1.6.
They cant hold up the entire game trying to please one class.
Yes, Zenimax proved that by releasing ESO with Nighblades having 50% of their abilities completely bugged.
Now they relaunch the game with Sorcerers completely useless. We lack any form of Utility, our damage is extremely reliant on Toggled Pets that can easily cause your Raid to wipe, we can't heal well, we can't tank at all... But hey, release the game.
I mean, ESO's image with the general gaming scene was actually recovering, so why not tarnish it again by proving once more that Zenimax just doesn't care.
I have a VR10 sorc. I dont find him useless. I was soloing on lvl dolmens and world bosses on PTS as well as on live. I think the whole hyperbole with people claiming things like they are completely useless etc does not help matters. People coming into the game wont be running trials with all the latest gear and 3600 CP. Balance is something they will be working on for years and years. how long do they hold this up trying to get it exactly right?
Oh, you are a leveling sorcerer...
You really should reserve your opinion to when it actually become relevant. When you reach vr14 and no one wants to take you into a serious trial run because you don't have enough DPS, then you will understand.
Again, Sorcerers have NO utility for a raid since Negate was mangled in 1.6 - Templars still have Nova, Nightblades still have Veil, DKs still have Corrosive Armor and Chains.
Sorcerers are the worst DPS in 1.5 closely followed by Magicka Nightblades. 1.6 is not changing that as pet builds will be banned from raids until Zenimax decides to keep pets from chaining boss attacks and stealing heals from the tank.
When you experience that and not just "oh, I am leveling fine through the nerfed veteran content", then you can talk about how useful sorcerers actually are.
Hmm so only VR14 sorcerers count? I didnt know that. My bad.
To discuss end content balance? Yes, only vr14 count, I am sorry if it sounds cold, but it is true. You don't know how your DPS will be, you don't know how trials work and how useless a sorcerer can feel because none of their class ultimates are actually useful. You don't know how frustrating it is to regret your class choice so much.
Here I thought we were discussing class balance as a whole. I didnt know we were ONLY discussing end game top end vr14 balance. If I became frustrated with my class choice Id just try another class. I understand wanting them to work on end game balance but you have to understand thats but one part of a massive game. Class balance is an ongoing thing that will happen the entire life of the game.
Ive played MMOs since Ultima Online was in beta. all of them people complain of over powered classes and flavor of the month builds. Its an ongoing effort its not something they can make everyone happy with basically ever. If everyone is happy expect WWIII right after.
I'll offer you some perspective: 1.) solo content is super easy right now and you can do it with almost any build, it is not in any way representative of "class balance"; balance infers there is a reference of some sort (other classes) and end-game content is where you see a comparison of class potential. 2.) most people spend most of their time getting to max level as quickly as possible to start doing end-game content; some did this very long ago 3.) some of the game systems such as alliance war rank take a very long time to level if you are not a super grinder, so people get frustrated when they feel they need to re-roll their main to be competitive in end-game content.
I beg to differ as far as what "most" people do. I would say you are wrong about what most people do. Most people dont even have a level capped character. I have been playing since the first day and the highest I have is VR11. I think most people are playing the game enjoying the story etc. Crafting, role playing and doing the multitude of other things this game has to offer.
Also you act like its a bad thing you can do the overland stuff with pretty much any build and class. I thought that was the entire definition of balance? As far as sorcerers not being viable end game noone seems to agree on that either. I see people saying you just need to learn a different way of playing with the new stuff. Not everyone agrees sorcs are useless in the end game content.0 -
ArconSeptim✭✭✭✭I truly hope for one more class rebalance, nightblades need fix on fear and shadows, templars need fix, sorcerers are fine
and DKs need buffs, you can't let nightblades be tanks or templars spam jabs on their enemy until you become infinite stuck at the place,templar sun shield way to op spell, also there are bugs with pvp buffs which are not applying etc. weapon swap is not working correctly, sometimes even with nightblade fear spell you are completely stuck at place and can't swap weapons or use any ability.0 -
ZOS_UlyssesW✭✭✭Hi, all.
We're going to go ahead and close this thread, because it has quickly gone off topic and run its course. We are striving to make the ESO forums a welcoming place for all players to come and give their constructive feedback, but we do ask that everyone stay on topic. Thank you for your understanding.Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on 24 February 2015 22:050
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