Be nice if they would significantly increase the chance to get Kuta's from Aspect Runes.....

I know this may seem like a ton of work but...

Instead of just logging in and out to get hireling stuff,
Why don't you do the writs on all of your characters?

Actually, you only need to do writs every 2 days;
Get the quests one day, finish it the following day, then get that day's quests.

Inb4 doing actual crafting is too hard (pic related)

I think it's a good change. Finally I can get the mats from my main char and don't have to rely alts purely created for hireling mails...

Steve, my guild mates completely and totally agree with you.

I have 8 playable toons. Of which I allotted some of my skill points to my hirelings. Now when I am not using them, they are not wasted pixels.

I have one toon that is a devoted crafter, she is V10. I restated her to be my DEDICATED crafter. I did this because I am a Guildmaster of a crafting guild. Instead of having to find several motifs to go on three crafter, I only need one. It is a waste of resources have to duplicate everything on several part time crafting toon. It is better for my guild when I can share resources/ motifs, recipes with my guild mates that do not have them.

Now back to the point, hirelings. This is my guild members and my suggestions to the developers:

1. Do Not send items through our hirelings we can purchase through a vendor.
We have come to destroying items that we can buy (if we need them) from a vendor. (that doesn't mean that you should take talk yourself into the idea of taking items out of the npc vendors stock.... not everyone is a craftier)

2. Do Not decrease or eliminate the rare items we now receive. The rate of drop in the live game is pathetically low. (I can usually save up --from my hirelings--enough golds to make the armor I use on my main two toons ) If I have extras gold mats to sell/share it is only because I obtain them through farming. One of our members has been keeping track and it is a depressingly low number of USEABLE items that we get from our hirelings.)

3. Stop forcing writs down our throats. If this is to be the only ways we can obtain rare items, then we will be extremely unhappy. When I was doing the writs, it was a horrible drain on the resources of the guild. We have about 30 members. When you add up the number of resources that takes for a level 50 crafter to complete each writ at level 50 consumes 100 plus hard mats, i.e. woods, metals or cloth/leather. When that is multiplied by 20 to 50 master crafters that can easily consume over 3,000 woods, 3,000 metals, 3,000 cloth daily. That is one days consumption for the guild. What guild can support consuming that many mats on a daily basis. That is a lot of fracking mats. All our officers stopped doing the writs so our lower level crafters would have the mats available to make, trade and breakdown for leveling. I do not believe the developers understand the dynamics of crafters. It is not the only thing we want to do--at least we would like to have time to do other things instead we are trying to run around and gather materials. Which brings me to the next point;

4. Stop trying to give us "busy work". i.e. 'gather more materials to obtains rare items', 'fish more to make high end foods/beverages', 'complete writs and be rewarded with hard to obtain items' (that is what our blasted hirelings are suppose to do). Please don't make it so hard to be a crafter that we have very little time to play. When people have to spend most of their time in game running around and competing with other farmers for the limited resources you currently provide, that is when the game will cease to be fun. We enjoy being crafters, and have spent a lot of time to get to where we are. It was our choice to be crafters, but at some point we would like to be able to pvp and pve more than we do now.

5. If we still have hirelings place them on a set 12 cycle. Many people are not an a 9-5 schedule. Here are some of the dynamics that make your current system difficult:

a) 12 hours shifts;
b) dedicated family time (don't let the wife/husband feel neglected or no more gaming);
c) rotating shift work;
d) long commute times;
e) rotating shift hours;
f) unscheduled life events.

They have suggested 12pm and 12am as set times. That way a person would have a twelve hour window to check your mail.

Hirelings are suppose to obtain things we need. We spent valuable skills points to "hire" them.

If my employees, in real life, tried to pass by me the mediocre results of their "handy work", I would fire them, and hire someone else that could bring me quality items--not items that have very little or NO VALUE. For they most part they are without value and take up critical inventory, bank and guild bank space.

I hope this will give you some insight from the perspective of members of a purely crafting guild. I realize there are people that will not agree with what is being given as suggestions in this post. This is simply the feedback I have received from my guild mates. I agreed to post this and appreciate your considerations for the 1.6 update.

Most graciously,

osacee
Osa's Crafting Guild
Dragonfall

Just an addition to the aforementioned post it will take from 6-10 hours (depending on the number of other people farming an given area) to collect enough mats to go the blacksmithing, clothier and woodworking writs. I farmed in several areas: Craglorn, the Rift and eastmarch. Compared and averaged the time and number of mats.

Everyone better start letting Zos know that they are not in agreement with their decisions on this matter.

I have several other crafters getting numbers on the writs and what they return on the PTS

This will not only impact crafters it will impact every player. What happens when gold or purple mats sell for 10 times what they do now.

I have been saving mats for a long time and and could profit a lot if this change goes through. BUT that is not why i became a crafter.

Everyone needs to advise every guildmate they have to let Zos this will not be good for the overall economy of the game.

osaceeub17_ESO wrote: »

Just an addition to the aforementioned post it will take from 6-10 hours (depending on the number of other people farming an given area) to collect enough mats to go the blacksmithing, clothier and woodworking writs. I farmed in several areas: Craglorn, the Rift and eastmarch. Compared and averaged the time and number of mats.

Your numbers sound high to me, but I haven't done the same experiment, so I really can't dispute your findings.

The bottom line IMO is that the equipment writs aren't really worth doing unless you're buying the materials for them from guild stores at a low enough price to make a profit off the writs.

Consumables writs, on the other hand, give massive rewards compared to the mats you put into them (enchanting writs somewhat less so than alchemy and provisioning).

I have to agree with Iluvrien. In addition, there comes a point were you have to do your own work and not rely on others to do it for you. And that is essentially what you all are doing - for my 3/3 hireling crafts, I get gold materials far, far too often for an investment of three measly skill points.

UrQuan wrote: »

Consumables writs, on the other hand, give massive rewards compared to the mats you put into them (enchanting writs somewhat less so than alchemy and provisioning).

Oh, yeah. I desperately need Zeni to fix that. Eight or nine woodworking items per writ decimates my stacks of mats. It's ridiculous. And most of the time I get back - what? A decon item (for a level 50 skill!) or another trait stone to add to my ever-growing piles in the bank? *headdesk*