Mistform during scroll run?

Talcyndl · February 2015

I seem to recall they changed it awhile back so that you couldn't mistform while carrying the scroll. Am I remembering incorrectly, or have they now changed it back?

Tripwyr · February 2015

Talcyndl wrote: »

I seem to recall they changed it awhile back so that you couldn't mistform while carrying the scroll. Am I remembering incorrectly, or have they now changed it back?

That was never the case.

Talcyndl · February 2015

Maybe it was just streak they changed? Getting old I guess.

kijima · February 2015

It's always been a thing.

Grab scroll from temple, then drop it outside the temple when safe for your scroll carrier to grab, who usually is a vamp with never ending magicka to mist up and take that baby home.

DaggerfallTradeMasters · February 2015

yup ^^

Saint_JiubB14_ESO · February 2015

They slowed Elusive Mist movement speed when carrying a scroll or something I believe

Sanct16 · February 2015

You can even use Lightning Form + Mist Form to be even faster. HAX.

Sharee · February 2015

Sanct16 wrote: »

You can even use Lightning Form + Mist Form to be even faster. HAX.

Probably not after 1.6

I did not check, but most likely both give the same buff (expedition) and thus won't stack.

Lord_Draevan · February 2015

I remember back at launch when you could Bolt Escape while carrying Scroll, before Vamp Mist speed was nerfed.
Those were fun times

TheFamousMockingbird · February 2015

You can bolt escape while carrying a scroll too. I did it last week. You cannot however use an invisibility potion, it made me drop scroll.

Lord_Draevan · February 2015

TheFamousMockingbird wrote: »

You can bolt escape while carrying a scroll too. I did it last week. You cannot however use an invisibility potion, it made me drop scroll.

Wow... either that's a bug, or they re-introduced it and didn't mention it.

AbraXuSeXile · February 2015

I remember carrying a scroll and got into massive combat, I decided to help kill the enemies, However i use all synergies and someone used veil, How embarassing!

Never use slip away synergy while carrying scroll!

DaggerfallTradeMasters · February 2015

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

I remember carrying a scroll and got into massive combat, I decided to help kill the enemies, However i use all synergies and someone used veil, How embarassing!

Never use slip away synergy while carrying scroll!

Haha Veil of Blade i know the feeling mate

LazyLewis · February 2015

Saint_JiubB14_ESO wrote: »

They slowed Elusive Mist movement speed when carrying a scroll or something I believe

+ Rapid Maneuver

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · February 2015

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

I remember carrying a scroll and got into massive combat, I decided to help kill the enemies, However i use all synergies and someone used veil, How embarassing!

Never use slip away synergy while carrying scroll!

Same happens if you accidentally use Bats whilst carrying the scroll :P

Garion · February 2015

I carried a scroll through about 50 reds using mist form on Azuras a couple of weeks back. Good times

Ezareth · February 2015

TheFamousMockingbird wrote: »

You can bolt escape while carrying a scroll too. I did it last week. You cannot however use an invisibility potion, it made me drop scroll.

If that is the case, I feel sorry for people trying to catch me after patch.

17 Bolt escapes in a row without using a Potion or Dark exchange on my live set and I can tweak that further given time.

Granted now that everyone is getting huge speed increases on their mounts maybe it won't be so easy for me...

Imdrefan · February 2015

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

TheFamousMockingbird wrote: »

You can bolt escape while carrying a scroll too. I did it last week. You cannot however use an invisibility potion, it made me drop scroll.

If that is the case, I feel sorry for people trying to catch me after patch.

17 Bolt escapes in a row without using a Potion or Dark exchange on my live set and I can tweak that further given time.

Granted now that everyone is getting huge speed increases on their mounts maybe it won't be so easy for me...

Rapid manoeuvres on horseback anyone? Scroll carriers are going to be VERY easy catch now.

Ezareth · February 2015

EVANWSEATHub17_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

TheFamousMockingbird wrote: »

You can bolt escape while carrying a scroll too. I did it last week. You cannot however use an invisibility potion, it made me drop scroll.

If that is the case, I feel sorry for people trying to catch me after patch.

17 Bolt escapes in a row without using a Potion or Dark exchange on my live set and I can tweak that further given time.

Granted now that everyone is getting huge speed increases on their mounts maybe it won't be so easy for me...

Rapid manoeuvres on horseback anyone? Scroll carriers are going to be VERY easy catch now.

That has always been available and catching up to scroll carriers on horseback has always been easy.

The problem is once you dismount you throw yourself in combat. A good sorc knows how to manage his resources to allow multiple people to attack him and yet still get away.

Talcyndl · February 2015

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

That has always been available and catching up to scroll carriers on horseback has always been easy.

Casting maneuvers while still mounted, and remaining mounted, is new on the PTS. It will significantly increase riding speed if it carries over to Live.

Jahosefat · February 2015

TheFamousMockingbird wrote: »

You can bolt escape while carrying a scroll too. I did it last week. You cannot however use an invisibility potion, it made me drop scroll.

I carried a scroll about a month ago and this was not the case (streak button grayed out and un-clickable). This is either an awesome (and scary) change for sorcs, bug, or troll bait.

Ezareth · February 2015

Talcyndl wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

That has always been available and catching up to scroll carriers on horseback has always been easy.

Casting maneuvers while still mounted, and remaining mounted, is new on the PTS. It will significantly increase riding speed if it carries over to Live.

It isn't all *that* that large of an increase, the dismount/recast every 20 seconds or so didn't slow you down that much. Still, catching the carrier was never a problem while mounted. Killing him and stopping him has always been an issue.

17 Bolt escapes in a row every full bar of magicka covers a *ton* of distance.

Talcyndl · February 2015

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

It isn't all *that* that large of an increase, the dismount/recast every 20 seconds or so didn't slow you down that much. Still, catching the carrier was never a problem while mounted. Killing him and stopping him has always been an issue.

17 Bolt escapes in a row every full bar of magicka covers a *ton* of distance.

As someone who has maneuvers and a max speed horse, I can tell you the dismount, cast, remount delay results in a speed that is equal to (and sometimes slower than) a non-maneuvered horse. That's especially the case with the "new" animation that stops you completely when remounting.

As for bolt escape, yeah it's fast (and annoying). Out of combat though a maneuvered fast horse can easily keep up. The ability to use it while in combat is the key advantage.

Ezareth · February 2015

Talcyndl wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

It isn't all *that* that large of an increase, the dismount/recast every 20 seconds or so didn't slow you down that much. Still, catching the carrier was never a problem while mounted. Killing him and stopping him has always been an issue.

17 Bolt escapes in a row every full bar of magicka covers a *ton* of distance.

As someone who has maneuvers and a max speed horse, I can tell you the dismount, cast, remount delay results in a speed that is equal to (and sometimes slower than) a non-maneuvered horse. That's especially the case with the "new" animation that stops you completely when remounting.

As for bolt escape, yeah it's fast (and annoying). Out of combat though a maneuvered fast horse can easily keep up. The ability to use it while in combat is the key advantage.

The greater concern to me is everyone is going to be rolling around in max stamina horses and will be virtually impossible to dismount unless they're terrible about it. The stamina increase is going to be just as large as the casting maneuver from horseback increase.

Huntler · February 2015

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

It isn't all *that* that large of an increase, the dismount/recast every 20 seconds or so didn't slow you down that much. Still, catching the carrier was never a problem while mounted. Killing him and stopping him has always been an issue.

17 Bolt escapes in a row every full bar of magicka covers a *ton* of distance.

As someone who has maneuvers and a max speed horse, I can tell you the dismount, cast, remount delay results in a speed that is equal to (and sometimes slower than) a non-maneuvered horse. That's especially the case with the "new" animation that stops you completely when remounting.

As for bolt escape, yeah it's fast (and annoying). Out of combat though a maneuvered fast horse can easily keep up. The ability to use it while in combat is the key advantage.

The greater concern to me is everyone is going to be rolling around in max stamina horses and will be virtually impossible to dismount unless they're terrible about it. The stamina increase is going to be just as large as the casting maneuver from horseback increase.

Thats basically a good thing for everyone except gankers that want to kill someone on horseback. I get it feels good to burst someone when there is literally nothing they can do, but thats kind of *** from a gameplay perspective. Should be able to break out of horse knock, simple as that. Any game where there is such a thing as a free kill as bad for design.

edit: and anticipating the "well you shouldn't sprint on your horse argument." Everyone except gankers are in a rush to get places. You can cap a keep in 4 minutes undefended. With the pace of the game you cannot afford to trot around and expect to ever get to a keep, fight, or whatever so that whole argument is just garbage nonsense that gankers like to spout. A ganker should have an advantage with attacking from stealth/surprise factor. It should NOT be a free kill.

Oh and to those questioning whether bolt escape working with a scroll changed, it is still not possible on live.. don't know what that guy is claiming. Its hard to test on PTS given obvious reasons so... hopefully they didn't break it, but as far as I know scrolls havent moved hands much if at all.

Talcyndl · February 2015

Even starting at max stamina, people are still going to be at zero stamina after holding sprint for a little while. So people will still get unhorsed and ganked.

Ezareth · February 2015

Huntler wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Talcyndl wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

It isn't all *that* that large of an increase, the dismount/recast every 20 seconds or so didn't slow you down that much. Still, catching the carrier was never a problem while mounted. Killing him and stopping him has always been an issue.

17 Bolt escapes in a row every full bar of magicka covers a *ton* of distance.

As someone who has maneuvers and a max speed horse, I can tell you the dismount, cast, remount delay results in a speed that is equal to (and sometimes slower than) a non-maneuvered horse. That's especially the case with the "new" animation that stops you completely when remounting.

As for bolt escape, yeah it's fast (and annoying). Out of combat though a maneuvered fast horse can easily keep up. The ability to use it while in combat is the key advantage.

The greater concern to me is everyone is going to be rolling around in max stamina horses and will be virtually impossible to dismount unless they're terrible about it. The stamina increase is going to be just as large as the casting maneuver from horseback increase.

Thats basically a good thing for everyone except gankers that want to kill someone on horseback. I get it feels good to burst someone when there is literally nothing they can do, but thats kind of *** from a gameplay perspective. Should be able to break out of horse knock, simple as that. Any game where there is such a thing as a free kill as bad for design.

edit: and anticipating the "well you shouldn't sprint on your horse argument." Everyone except gankers are in a rush to get places. You can cap a keep in 4 minutes undefended. With the pace of the game you cannot afford to trot around and expect to ever get to a keep, fight, or whatever so that whole argument is just garbage nonsense that gankers like to spout. A ganker should have an advantage with attacking from stealth/surprise factor. It should NOT be a free kill.

Oh and to those questioning whether bolt escape working with a scroll changed, it is still not possible on live.. don't know what that guy is claiming. Its hard to test on PTS given obvious reasons so... hopefully they didn't break it, but as far as I know scrolls havent moved hands much if at all.

Until everyone is rocking the no-loss of stamina while not in combat horse perk in a few months.

Cinnamon_Spider · February 2015

TheFamousMockingbird wrote: »

You can bolt escape while carrying a scroll too. I did it last week. You cannot however use an invisibility potion, it made me drop scroll.

I tested this tonight on the pts and you cannot bolt while holding a scroll.