xaraan wrote: »

No, virtually every bow power is outperformed by similar DW and 2H powers unfortunately. Although you did better dps than I did with a bow, I didn't go that much into glass cannon, keeping my health with food above 20K. I did have really good gear sets however and have been playing bow since beta, so I can usually get a lot out of it, but switching to dw easily outperformed it. edit - although you can run something like sap on your alt bar if you care to get close enough to activate it for the damage buff, giving you the greater damage buff.

Yeah, DW is amazing right now. I was getting 12k+ dps with the DW build I was tinkering with.

That's why I considered sticking with Impale so that I would have a full magicka pool waiting for me to spam it, That's worked great for me in the past, even with a very low magicka pool. But now the difference in damage between impale and Killer's Blade is so huge depending on your stamina/magicka pool, that you almost have to take killer's Blade anyways.

Alphashado wrote: »

Take a look at Camouflaged Hunter now:


Has a 4% chance to proc on any target now which isn't huge, but take a look at the passive buff while slotted. Major Savagery. Very nice passive buff and you can keep it slotted on your Bow bar, then switch to your off bar for Killer's Blade. You could also keep it on your off bar so that you retain Major Savagery while spamming KB.

The 4% chance to proc on ANY target is actually much more important than you're letting off, in my opinion.

The reason for this is that you chose to link and are presumably using camoufloged hunter rather than evil hunter. With camo hunter, the proc is only for damage, while on evil hunter you get a nice chunk of stamina back every time it procs.

Even at 4% chance to proc, stamina regen is stamina regen compared to none at all when using camo hunter

EDIT: Now that I think of it, you'd need at least a couple procs to make it really worth it to maintain, the duration is quite low and I didn't take into consideration that only using it for the crit allows you to never have to cast it, thus saving a global cooldown and stamina. If you can negate the stamina cost with procs, and thus also add to your damage, then it becomes decently helpful.

ElliottXO wrote: »

Melee DPS outperforming ranged DPS? Working as intended I would say.

Yeah I've heard that argument before.
A bow build should at least be on par with a ranged Sorc build though and so far I haven't seen anyone come close to the 12k+ DPS I've been hearing sorcs are getting.

Thejollygreenone wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Take a look at Camouflaged Hunter now:


Has a 4% chance to proc on any target now which isn't huge, but take a look at the passive buff while slotted. Major Savagery. Very nice passive buff and you can keep it slotted on your Bow bar, then switch to your off bar for Killer's Blade. You could also keep it on your off bar so that you retain Major Savagery while spamming KB.

The 4% chance to proc on ANY target is actually much more important than you're letting off, in my opinion.

The reason for this is that you chose to link and are presumably using camoufloged hunter rather than evil hunter. With camo hunter, the proc is only for damage, while on evil hunter you get a nice chunk of stamina back every time it procs.

Even at 4% chance to proc, stamina regen is stamina regen compared to none at all when using camo hunter

EDIT: Now that I think of it, you'd need at least a couple procs to make it really worth it to maintain, the duration is quite low and I didn't take into consideration that only using it for the crit allows you to never have to cast it, thus saving a global cooldown and stamina. If you can negate the stamina cost with procs, and thus also add to your damage, then it becomes decently helpful.

I was just showing the passive, and how it's changed vs 1.5

I'm curious to know what addon(s) you are all using to determine your DPS. FTC?

I don't like all those numbers floating all over my screen and ordinarily am not the type of player to need the number crunching. For a test, however, and to experiment with my build on the PTS, it would be valuable.

Sue_D_Nim wrote: »

I'm curious to know what addon(s) you are all using to determine your DPS. FTC?

I don't like all those numbers floating all over my screen and ordinarily am not the type of player to need the number crunching. For a test, however, and to experiment with my build on the PTS, it would be valuable.

You can disable the floaty numbers in the FTC addon settings. That's what I choose to do. Also in the upper left hand of the UI, you will see a small box that displays dps, hps, and damage taken during each encounter. Then you can set a hot key for FTC to display a detailed report for each encounter.

You have to mix it in with either DW or 2H. bow alone wont get you far unless you are just that dang good.

One thing that bow users should have on their bar is the new revamped skill in 1.6 dehibilitate. -40% on mob +40% on user for 9 sec and puts a DOT and refunds the magicka.

I don't know if this will work in pvp but this def a great bow user skill. Also the new vamp drain is suppose to increase your speed +40% for 17sec on a drain.

Alphashado wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

Melee DPS outperforming ranged DPS? Working as intended I would say.

Yeah I've heard that argument before.
A bow build should at least be on par with a ranged Sorc build though and so far I haven't seen anyone come close to the 12k+ DPS I've been hearing sorcs are getting.

Sorc here.
For non-pet magicka builds, 12K DPS is achievable only when using Power Overload for the entire fight, which is an Ultimate and not sustainable at all with update 6. The DPS with regular abilities (velocious curse, crystal fragments, crushing shock) seems close to what bow users are getting, even though I haven't tested it on trial bosses. We get a higher DPS during the execute phase with Mage's Wrath, but that only works for the last 20% of the fight.