If You Don't use Desto Staff, You're Officially not a DPS'er..

Ruebs · September 2014

Today i was testing some AoE Loadouts on my DK. I put together a Triple-Dot Loadout, Using, Fiery Breath- Flames of Oblivion- Cinderstorm- Draw Essence and Mage Light. Critting off 3 separate DoT's allows very quick Ultimate Gain. I could get a standard down every 11 seconds, and hit a top DPS of 3.1k.

I then decided to try out my LEVEL 3 Impulse, to get an idea on average AoE DPS. To my shock and disgust, i was able to get 3.3k dps by spamming ONE button.
My carefully constructed, perfectly timed AoE loadout (Above^) is made completely obsolete by one skill.

We were promised 'Play how you Like'. And it's true, you can. However if you want to be even slightly competitive, you have to run LA and Impluse.
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Good luck getting into a Trial group! If you're not wielding a Desto Staff, you're officially not a DPS'er..

I'm not a Doomsayer, but the lack of viable variation is getting really, really boring.

P.S- Please keep in mind I was testing on Undead Creatures (Spellscar). DPS is considerably less on 'living' Creatures, due to the lack of Ulti gains and Fighters Guild passives.

Varicite · September 2014

Not a lot of people care about AoE dps on trash.

/shrug

tinythinker · September 2014

What attribute point distribution and gear for either of those numbers out of curiosity?

Ruebs · September 2014

tinythinker wrote: »

What attribute point distribution and gear for either of those numbers out of curiosity?

I'm using your everyday mage sets- Warlock and Twilight's.
Please keep in mind I was testing on Undead Creatures (Spellscar). DPS is considerably less on 'living' Creatures, due to the lack of Ulti gains and Fighters Guild passives.

tinythinker · September 2014

Ah, OK.

Asgari · September 2014

Elemental ring + Devouring Swarm has given me 1k+ dps for over 90 seconds in keep defenses and captures. There is a reason everyone runs these abilities...

note: after 1.4 i have dropped vamp on all chars.

Greatfellow · September 2014

Man, I purposefully avoid those classes and spams.

I just want to have fun and fight my way through a crowd. My lil NB uses 2H and DW, and he is one happy, scrappy guy. He strategizes when he goes into a fight with multiple enemies, and often devises responses based on the second-by-second evolution of battle with those enemies, and the geographic movement of the battle. The best battles for me end up being dangerous dances, with side-steps and hops, lunges and parrys, quick glances over my shoulders and sudden spins to confront the next incoming. I often get crowd control from slapping non-crowd-control abilities onto spontaneously selected enemies, boom-boom-boom; I work on the remainders in two- and three- second flurries, and keep thinking three or four seconds ahead.

It's WAY more fun and satisfying to me to put down my enemies that way. I might not be the DPS guy an elite crowd wants, but I'd be looking for someone just like me to go adventuring with any time.

Ruebs · September 2014

Greatfellow wrote: »

Man, I purposefully avoid those classes and spams.

So do i mate, That's why I'm so disappointed. I'm trying to compete with elite crowd, but if can't be done without a Desto Staff (Impluse and Force shock.)
As far as i can see anyway. =/

WraithAzraiel · September 2014

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Elemental ring + Devouring Swarm has given me 1k+ dps for over 90 seconds in keep defenses and captures. There is a reason everyone runs these abilities...

note: after 1.4 i have dropped vamp on all chars.

Maybe the rest of the "flavor of the month easy mode" players will do the same, then finally people will stop crying and leave Vampire the hell alone.

Pass it on to your buddies that Streak, Lightning Form, Streak, Batswarm, rinse repeat.

Maybe then Vampire will be safe from "Those Who Cry Nerf"

guybrushtb16_ESO · September 2014

Well, I for one don't think that "play how you like" has to mean you can bring anything you want and still be 100% effective in any content. For example, in the specific situation you described, bringing engulfing flames would have been a dps boost, and burning talons would have been added cc with almost no dps loss, so I'd consider these viable additions to 1-button spam at least.

The issue of cookie cutter builds being superior remains of course, and I absolutely agree here. There should be more options for viable aoe builds, particularly something from stamina, but we should never have any role on any weaponset - sword and shield shouldn't get too much dps while 2h and dual wield should IMO be tailored to either one of aoe or single target dps more distinctively.

We will probably see more buffs to stamina in the future, but I'd expect destro staff to remain the primary magicka aoe build, and I think that's a pretty good place for it.

Ruebs · September 2014

guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »

We will probably see more buffs to stamina in the future, but I'd expect destro staff to remain the primary magicka aoe build, and I think that's a pretty good place for it.

Yes but Impluse/Desto staff is the Primary DPS build, period. Other so called 'DPS' builds simply don't stack up.

I realize this isn't a big deal for many people, as you can still get by on less 'elite' builds. But as i mentioned before I wish to compete with these 'elite' players, as there's really nothing else to do at end game. Unfortunately it can't be done, without a boring cookie cutter build. <And that is exactly what ZoS promised would NOT happen.

Tankqull · September 2014

Ruebs wrote: »

guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »

We will probably see more buffs to stamina in the future, but I'd expect destro staff to remain the primary magicka aoe build, and I think that's a pretty good place for it.

Yes but Impluse/Desto staff is the Primary DPS build, period. Other so called 'DPS' builds simply don't stack up.

I realize this isn't a big deal for many people, as you can still get by on less 'elite' builds. But as i mentioned before I wish to compete with these 'elite' players, as there's really nothing else to do at end game. Unfortunately it can't be done, without a boring cookie cutter build. <And that is exactly what ZoS promised would NOT happen.

all you need to make stam builds work is a templar with luminous shards (in the best case or blazing shards) as its a free 1000+ stamina reg
had a lvl group yesterday with 2x stamina nightblades 2h&DW and a destro sorc +my templar providing shards regularily we needed a bit over 2hours to reach 14, did the same with 3 destro users and it took as long to reach lvl 13 at the same spot.
the problem though is to have people have slotted abilitys to complement group synergies but that needs to communicate wich is highly avoided in this game

Kego · September 2014

Ruebs wrote: »

But as i mentioned before I wish to compete with these 'elite' players, as there's really nothing else to do at end game. Unfortunately it can't be done, without a boring cookie cutter build. <And that is exactly what ZoS promised would NOT happen.

No, they didn't promised that. They only promised that you can play the way you want. And that, you can do.

Cookie cutter builds will always exist. Cause their will always be a best way to achieve the highest DMG, best mitigation or Healing. This can't be avoided.

It just changes over time. Currently most people running Destru/Resto Staffs. Maybe in 6 or 12 Month all are running Bow/DW. Or if ZOS is doing it right we will see a mix of Destru/Resto as well as a Stamina equivalent.

Vuron · September 2014

Ruebs wrote: »

guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »

We will probably see more buffs to stamina in the future, but I'd expect destro staff to remain the primary magicka aoe build, and I think that's a pretty good place for it.

Yes but Impluse/Desto staff is the Primary DPS build, period. Other so called 'DPS' builds simply don't stack up.

I realize this isn't a big deal for many people, as you can still get by on less 'elite' builds. But as i mentioned before I wish to compete with these 'elite' players, as there's really nothing else to do at end game. Unfortunately it can't be done, without a boring cookie cutter build. <And that is exactly what ZoS promised would NOT happen.

For PvE, this simply isn't true. This might be the case for PvP but PvE is a completely different story.

As @Varacite pointed out in the first reply, nobody cares about your AoE DPS on trash mobs. If you want to do trials, than you need to research the builds that focus on single-target DPS and none of them have Impulse on their main bar.

Also, your claim that you need is destro staff doesn't apply to every class, either. The choice for other classes is resto over destro for single target.

khele23eb17_ESO · September 2014

Kego wrote: »

Ruebs wrote: »

But as i mentioned before I wish to compete with these 'elite' players, as there's really nothing else to do at end game. Unfortunately it can't be done, without a boring cookie cutter build. <And that is exactly what ZoS promised would NOT happen.

No, they didn't promised that. They only promised that you can play the way you want. And that, you can do.

Cookie cutter builds will always exist. Cause their will always be a best way to achieve the highest DMG, best mitigation or Healing. This can't be avoided.

It just changes over time. Currently most people running Destru/Resto Staffs. Maybe in 6 or 12 Month all are running Bow/DW. Or if ZOS is doing it right we will see a mix of Destru/Resto as well as a Stamina equivalent.

I wish devs would actually design skill systems so that the most efficient builds are also the most difficult and complex to play instead of just dumping a bunch of skills with different themes into the game and going 'well, lets see what the players make of it'.

Kypho · September 2014

its not about destrostaff. its about AOE Spamming... silly zos just love AOE craps and they love one thing more, aoe spamming. Elder AOE online

Artis · September 2014

Varicite wrote: »

Not a lot of people care about AoE dps on trash.

/shrug

Have you even been to veteran dungeons/trials? A lot of bosses call adds. The new Dragonstar arena has waves of mobs before bosses come out. And when it comes to "veteran" difficulty, and leaderboards, and time, AoE is pretty important. And if OP is correct(and he is) then new content has no place for physical damage again.
And that's no longer funny and very frustrating, to be honest.

Cously · September 2014

I hate the cookie cutter build, my real goal is go Sorc WW with dual wield or sword and board and medium/heavy. Alas, I maxed my destro and light armour anyways because I wanted to have an end game ticket. This is ridiculous, had to follow a build I didn't want just to be able to join all activities in the game.

Varicite · September 2014

Artemis wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

Not a lot of people care about AoE dps on trash.

/shrug

Have you even been to veteran dungeons/trials? A lot of bosses call adds. The new Dragonstar arena has waves of mobs before bosses come out. And when it comes to "veteran" difficulty, and leaderboards, and time, AoE is pretty important. And if OP is correct(and he is) then new content has no place for physical damage again.
And that's no longer funny and very frustrating, to be honest.

Nobody asks "Hey, what's your AoE trash dps?" when inviting to a Trial.

Everyone asks, what's your sustained dps on bosses?

There's a reason for that. Killing adds is not exactly hard.

ZOS_ShannonM · September 2014

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