Holy WTH? Now I've seen it all.

Baphomet · September 2014

They lied to us again. They said we were going to keep all our VR 12 experience so instead of needing 1 xp to hit VR 13, we now have to grind all the VR 12 xp again. Thanks you, Zen.

Baphomet · September 2014

And furthermore, some people were VR 14 approx. four hours after the patch.

Csub · September 2014

Baphomet wrote: »

They lied to us again. They said we were going to keep all our VR 12 experience so instead of needing 1 xp to hit VR 13, we now have to grind all the VR 12 xp again. Thanks you, Zen.

Baphomet wrote: »

And furthermore, some people were VR 14 approx. four hours after the patch.

I don't remember them saying that but they might have, I don't know. But if the second sentence is the case, I don't see an issue with having to go through vr 12 whatsoever.

Karamis_Vimardon · September 2014

Baphomet wrote: »

They lied to us again. They said we were going to keep all our VR 12 experience so instead of needing 1 xp to hit VR 13, we now have to grind all the VR 12 xp again. Thanks you, Zen.

I'm not entirely sure how you can keep something that to my knowledge didn't exist. When I level to V12 it only requires filling the bar as V11, I don't have to then quest/grind/whatever more to attain V12. Could you elaborate further please?

Baphomet · September 2014

When you hit VR 12, the xp bar is "empty". When you play as a VR 12 it starts filling up - eventually it gets full but it caps 1 xp away from VR 13. All that xp gained while being VR 12 was lost in the patch. They said it wouldn't be.

Frenkthevile · September 2014

And exactly, how they affect you?

Mondo · September 2014

@Baphomet yes but did you really believe this is gonna happen?

GaiusCastricius · September 2014

Super_Sonico wrote: »

This game is broken.

Some people like to play hard and have the time to do it, people spend 12 hours straight levelling = Broken game ? gg wp new meta +2

kitsinni · September 2014

Super_Sonico wrote: »

I'm seeing VR 14s already. How should this even be possible? ZOS are you even trying?

Also, for all you folks butthurt about having to 'grind' out 2 more VR levels, I know scoff and laugh.

I mean that's just silly to have the update not be out for even 12 hours and have people already plowed through that much exp.

This game is broken.

People are doing the exact same grinds that they did to get to VR12. When I went to Northern Craglorn all I heard was people looking for groups for the same exact grind.

I think a little butthurt to have to grind out two more levels at the same exact spots just so that we have to change gear with laughable amount of new content is justified.

Your post proves just how pointless adding VR14 really was.

jaikens19b14_ESO · September 2014

Baphomet wrote: »

They lied to us again. They said we were going to keep all our VR 12 experience so instead of needing 1 xp to hit VR 13, we now have to grind all the VR 12 xp again. Thanks you, Zen.

Oh no, you actually have grind through VR12 again :0! Life's rough isn't it.

Grow up.

Nhines · September 2014

If people want to grind in packs of 12 it's whatever, there's tons of groups running around, I think it's a bit of a stupid mechanic but I can see it specifically for PVP'ers as Cyro xp's still crap. What's hilarious is shortmaning one of their grind spots, they come in at the end, then you get rage tells about taking their xp. $:\$

AlexDougherty · September 2014

Super_Sonico wrote: »

I'm seeing VR 14s already. How should this even be possible? ZOS are you even trying?

From the patch notes, they've reduced the amount of Veteran XP needed to get from VR12 to VR14 (not sure how you reduce the XP needed at the same time you raise the level cap). Guessing a few hours in the right quests should do it.

eventide03b14a_ESO · September 2014

And I sit back and watch as this game becomes a grind fest. Why do we even call them RPG's anymore. It should be called a Massive Multiplayer Online Grind Fest. All that work getting the voice actors and it seems like so few actually care about the story. This is what happens when you emphasize levels over story. ZOS has only themselves to blame as many many people said repeatedly on the forums that increasing the Veteran cap was unnecessary.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · September 2014

FYI the best way to get exp is dragonstar arena. I don't want to set foot outside of cyrodiil ever if I can help it lately, but if I was going to, I would be doing that.

Only reason I'm not is because my guildmates are on a diff schedule than I am.

GunemCleric · September 2014

redspecter23 wrote: »

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

It's possible because they lowered the experience required to hit vr 13 and vr 14.

In order to provide for new itemization and to ensure a better feeling of achievement in Dragonstar Arena, Sanctum Ophidia, and Upper Craglorn, the maximum Veteran Rank has been increased to 14. We have also reduced the Veteran point cost for Veteran Ranks 13 and 14 so it takes less time to progress through those ranks.

I'm not really complaining but I find it odd that the newest cap has had it's xp reduced. I would have thought the company would like players to earn xp in the newest areas the longest. I would have lowered the requirements for VR level 11 and 12 to get people to V13+ faster, then kept those xp requirements a bit higher. Basically make it slightly easier to get to the new endgame with every new expansion.

what newest areas? I am v12 and have almost all quests. the ONLY way for me to get v14 is to grind. I see no new content that would even get me to v13. I am looking for quests I missed in vet areas right now, then try to do some bounty quests in Cyro (had all pve quests in Cyro a long time ago)

I did a couple (only a couple) quests in upper crag and i think i got a grand total of maybe 500k...

Most of the grinders have a lot of boring quests, but a few of us will have no choice. ZOS's way of rewarding the few who actually did their quests, of which about 80% were boring fetch, whodunits, or errand quests.

All world bosses, all anchors, all story, all cyrodiil, all dungeons/delves (other than bugged ones that still do not work). so what else is there? Seriously

I could do Arena or Trials...over and over and over, but that is grinding too.

Nothing has been added to the game PvE -wise since the first crag and that was mostly grinding and few skyshards.

LonePirate · September 2014

I reached VR14 last night after about 8 hours of heavy grinding, earning about 1.3-1.4M VP per hour.

Also, the VP reduction for the two new levels was a measly 456K VP which is a drop in the bucket compare to the 5.02M and 5.47M VP needed to reach the new VR13 and VR14 levels.

tordr86b16_ESO · September 2014

grinded from vr 12 to 13 in 45 mins ...

LunaRae · September 2014

What's the big deal? This isn't your typical Korean-grind MMO where getting to the very last level means something. Great, you're VR14 - so I can equip VR14 gear which has 20 extra armor? I can equip items from dragonstar that are marginally better (maybe?) than other gear? I prefer people getting to VR14 faster so everyone is on equal footing. Cyrodiil is like a graveyard right now with everyone in Craig, if the grind was going to take 2 weeks, in example, I'd be bored for a while.

My friends are getting 100k XP a pop for single quest turn ins (upper craig), some quest-chains are netting 300-400k.

OP is just another mindless complainer. If you actually have a legit concern regarding reaching VR14 quickly please let us know.

Probitas · September 2014

They raise the level and then make it easy? Sounds like an excuse to tack on a couple extra grind levels for the sake of making a grind. So it would seem those levels aren't supposed to be 2 actual levels of experience, they are there just to make people think they are accomplishing something to fill time until they get around to actually expanding the game. Sounds like a psychology experiment.

How do you rats in the maze feel today?

freespirit · September 2014

Kos wrote: »

Last time I logged off I was happy because I was so close to level 12... I forgot about this update's new level cap. I reckon it's going to take me about a month to get to 14. Is it possible to level to 14 solo?

It's possible BUT it would be insanely slow, unless you can solo explore Craglorn.

I spend a few hours every so often on my own running around in Craglorn mainly to collect mats but it does boost my VXP more than mat collecting in the standard VR areas

EDIT:- I am talking about engaging mobs as well as mat collection.

Stratti · September 2014

Agreed

There is a saying "Build it and they will come"

Allow for a short cut grinding experience and the people will come

And because they will be creatures of habit they may not realise that the Upper Craglorn has serious XP - not quite as high but significant.

ZOS must not be overly happy with it but now if they were to remove it there would be a big backlash - Ergo many will skip the content that is so marvelously done - grind to v14 then log off (maybe not many but we all know someone who does that)

Epsilon_Echo · September 2014

Anastasia · September 2014

aco5712 wrote: »

Why does it bother you that people want max level so they can pvp again? People like myself hate pve and would rather spend time having fun in cyro, you might be opposite but I don't complain that you don't level fast enough and pve too much

>>>>***"Why does it bother you that people want max level so they can pvp again?"<<<<***

BugCollector · September 2014

With Hircine grind, it's ridiculously easy. Made it to VR14 just 2.5 hours after work.

Surfinginhawaii · September 2014

BugCollector wrote: »

With Hircine grind, it's ridiculously easy. Made it to VR14 just 2.5 hours after work.

I don't know what area of Craglorn we were grinding but it took me about 9 hours to go from V12 to V14, my finger is stiff from clicking the mouse.

Kcttocs · September 2014

BugCollector wrote: »

With Hircine grind, it's ridiculously easy. Made it to VR14 just 2.5 hours after work.

Is that the delve in the middle by the river?

Frenkthevile · September 2014

Just PLAY THE GAME. Why are you grinding exp...when there's no prize at the end!?
Quests and delves are far more challenging if you play them in order to level, and don0t simply rush to get an achievment!

Kcttocs · September 2014

Frenkthevile wrote: »

Just PLAY THE GAME. Why are you grinding exp...when there's no prize at the end!?
Quests and delves are far more challenging if you play them in order to level, and don0t simply rush to get an achievment!

The prize is gear and getting back to pvp. That's what a lot of folks prefer.

BugCollector · September 2014

Kcttocs wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

With Hircine grind, it's ridiculously easy. Made it to VR14 just 2.5 hours after work.

Is that the delve in the middle by the river?

Yes.

Attorneyatlawl · September 2014

Super_Sonico wrote: »

I'm seeing VR 14s already. How should this even be possible? ZOS are you even trying?

Also, for all you folks butthurt about having to 'grind' out 2 more VR levels, I know scoff and laugh.

I mean that's just silly to have the update not be out for even 12 hours and have people already plowed through that much exp.

This game is broken.

Considering the minimal benefits you gain from VR12 to 14 (slight stat cap increases and a minimal amount of weapon damage... stats are identical on armor equipment except a minute amount of armor rating and a whopping 4-6 stat on jewelry equipment), they should have made them take 10-15 times or more the XP required now in my opinion so people had a goal they would earn by doing through normal gameplay rather than grinding it out in 3-4 hours (once I tried to go for it, I finished from about halfway into vet rank 12 toward 13, all the way to being vet rank 14 inside of about three to three and a half hours). With how trivial it is to do, that's exactly what I did after seeing the new content just once instead of repeating it as intended since they are mostly daily quests

. I now have very little reason, despite how cool they were, to go back and repeat them.

Ultimately VR's are simply a gear gate, and it would be nice to see them be an alternative to "attunements" that other games use rather than something to plow right through in an afternoon and forget about again. Rather than force you to play one specific raid 50 times to get "attuned" to the next level, they could simply be something you earn over time since VR XP is already given for basically every xp-granting activity in the game currently, and with how small the gains are no one could really claim they're hurting for lack of them prior to earning the ranks.

Kos wrote: »

Last time I logged off I was happy because I was so close to level 12... I forgot about this update's new level cap. I reckon it's going to take me about a month to get to 14. Is it possible to level to 14 solo?

Yep. Anything you do that gives XP will level towards it.