Nightblade Bugs

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

I have posted this a week ago after the 1.3 patch and got no response. It is still a problem even after this update. The ability shadowy disguise is supposed to grant 100% critical strike rating while it is being used per the screenshot below.
<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5020507/uploads/FileUpload/37/e970ba76de8f23873013d78ebf312e.png" />

But as you can see it's not showing that when it's being used.
<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5020507/uploads/FileUpload/1f/e109b71c1928ac5c77ff7a5375e86e.png" />

Can we please fix this @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ ?

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

I would like to add that I am still experiencing the weapon swapping bug when I attempt to switch weapons in stealth. It is extremely important that I be able to switch weapons in stealth. I shouldn't have to leave stealth just to switch weapons. Please correct this and do not assume that you have fixed it.

k4ntermoose · August 2014

Cloak doesn't magically make your stat sheet crit hit 100%.
How it works,
Basically the first skill you use in Cloak will always crit. Spell or weapon. It's not broken. It even display a buff for you if you have addons.

Want to stay in CLOAK while bar swapping? Add cloak to both bars and you won't drop out of cloak. I like this feature and it would be highly overpowered if you could cloak from an off bar. (Reapers mark + combat prayer + cloak , wep swap is a bit of an OP 3 second opener).

Staying in stealth while wep swapping anyone can do.

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

k4ntermoose wrote: »

Cloak doesn't magically make your stat sheet crit hit 100%.
How it works,
Basically the first skill you use in Cloak will always crit. Spell or weapon. It's not broken. It even display a buff for you if you have addons.

Want to stay in CLOAK while bar swapping? Add cloak to both bars and you won't drop out of cloak. I like this feature and it would be highly overpowered if you could cloak from an off bar. (Reapers mark + combat prayer + cloak , wep swap is a bit of an OP 3 second opener).

Staying in stealth while wep swapping anyone can do.

Please read my post again.

First of all yes it does. It used to show the actual crit amount for instance 135% the last time it functioned correctly. I didn't think to take a screenshot of it when it worked. It not longer does that either because it's broken or by design. I would like clarification from ZOS about that. No offense but you can't even be bothered to read my post and interpret it correctly.

The second issue involves a weapon swapping bug that has nothing to do with nightblade invis. It happens when I am in stealth (note not the same as invis) and I swap weapons. This is a well known bug. I would need to take a video to show you and frankly you're not that important for me to bother with that much trouble. Thank you for your completely pointless and unhelpful post.

Neubsi · August 2014

This happens to me too while i´m in sneak when activating shadowy disguise.
Didn´t test if it is wrong only on the char sheet or the crit isn´t applied yet.

Sneak:Screenshot_20140813_175106.png
Standing:Screenshot_20140813_175116.png

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

Neubsi wrote: »

This happens to me too while i´m in sneak when activating shadowy disguise.
Didn´t test if it is wrong only on the char sheet or the crit isn´t applied yet.

Sneak:Screenshot_20140813_175106.png
Standing:Screenshot_20140813_175116.png

It looks like it's not working in the first screenshot but is working in the second. Mine consistently doesn't show.

BTW @Neubsi‌ what is the addon your using that shows your resists?

Soliss · August 2014

k4ntermoose wrote: »

Cloak doesn't magically make your stat sheet crit hit 100%.
How it works,
Basically the first skill you use in Cloak will always crit. Spell or weapon. It's not broken. It even display a buff for you if you have addons.

Want to stay in CLOAK while bar swapping? Add cloak to both bars and you won't drop out of cloak. I like this feature and it would be highly overpowered if you could cloak from an off bar. (Reapers mark + combat prayer + cloak , wep swap is a bit of an OP 3 second opener).

Staying in stealth while wep swapping anyone can do.

This isn't supported by what most abilities do in the game. If you cast Mutagen, and swap bars, it doesn't disappear. If you cast a DoT on someone and then swap bars it doesn't disappear. If you cast Rapid Maneuvers, Healing Ward, Combat Prayer, Reapers Mark, etc... these buffs do not disappear when you swap weapons.

Cloak shouldn't disappear if you swap weapons either. Especially considering its duration is the shortest of all buffs in the game.

What does drop when you swap are TOGGLE abilities like Magelight. But Cloak is not a toggle.

Neubsi · August 2014

just tried, crit is applied both times, so no problem here.

very strange on your side, maybe a bugged armor set or smthn?

that´s "harven´s extended stats", but not sure if the resistance info works;)

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

Soliss wrote: »

k4ntermoose wrote: »

Cloak doesn't magically make your stat sheet crit hit 100%.
How it works,
Basically the first skill you use in Cloak will always crit. Spell or weapon. It's not broken. It even display a buff for you if you have addons.

Want to stay in CLOAK while bar swapping? Add cloak to both bars and you won't drop out of cloak. I like this feature and it would be highly overpowered if you could cloak from an off bar. (Reapers mark + combat prayer + cloak , wep swap is a bit of an OP 3 second opener).

Staying in stealth while wep swapping anyone can do.

This isn't supported by what most abilities do in the game. If you cast Mutagen, and swap bars, it doesn't disappear. If you cast a DoT on someone and then swap bars it doesn't disappear. If you cast Rapid Maneuvers, Healing Ward, Combat Prayer, Reapers Mark, etc... these buffs do not disappear when you swap weapons.

Cloak shouldn't disappear if you swap weapons either. Especially considering its duration is the shortest of all buffs in the game.

What does drop when you swap are TOGGLE abilities like Magelight. But Cloak is not a toggle.

That's the key. No other non toggle ability get's turned off when switching weapons nor should they.

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

Neubsi wrote: »

just tried, crit is applied both times, so no problem here.

very strange on your side, maybe a bugged armor set or smthn?

that´s "harven´s extended stats", but not sure if the resistance info works;)

Thanks! I'll try it out. It would be nice for my vampires to know where they stand on the fire resistance if it actually does work.

Taog ra · August 2014

RANT.

Cloak morph Shadowy Disguise feels bugged to me, particularly while in PvP but it happens in PvE as well... Here is the chain of events where I find this frustrating...

See enemy (NPC or PC) while reticle displays hidden from stealth/crouched.

Pop Rapid Assault (redux about 50% of stamina pool) for extended move speed increase + damage buff on 1st attack.

Check status. Still Hidden in crouch? Yep.

NO sign of Magelight orb anywhere in target vicinity with quick visual sweep.

Move to side/back attack.

Here is a sample opener I might use.

Shadowy Disguise (magika) for 1st hit auto Crit + passive move speed increases

Concealed Weapon (magika) - almost always observed as a Crit, in the least it almost always produces a Stun and damage can drop enemy health bar by about 50%

Rapid Strikes (stamina) - DW daggers with 50%+ Weapon Criticals and 30 pt Unresistable Damage glyphs. That usually takes another 1/4 of their bar.

Shadow Disguise (magika) - If they aren't already dead, they broke stun with stamina and are pissed at the annoying NB, but I'm hoping the cloak sets me up for that finisher or get out with a dodge if the zerg is coming at me.

Another DW Rapid Strikes for the final 1/4 of their bar and a critical thanks to the cloak morph.

By this time, 1 of 2 things happen to me...

bad guy is dead and enemy mates/zerg have spotted me, or
bad guy is getting spam healed by his zerg and I need to move/reposition to replenish my stam and magika pools...

I pop a new Shadow Disguise and immediately crouch. I see the prompt of "stunned" effect, meaning something that had seen me, can't anymore, right? wrong. sometimes I don't see that at all.

My reticle can show a half closed eye or Hidden. On my screen I am cloaked and crouched. I am getting hammered by dead guy's pals, either PC or NPC, type of enemy doesn't matter, reticle status doesn't matter.

Am I doing something wrong? Missing something? How is this possible unless the Shadowy Disguise morph is still bugged?

Do people with the other Cloak morph experience this same type of thing after Patch 1.3?

Samadhi · August 2014

I put in a /bug report for this.

They fixed the issue where level 4 of the skill was not giving Spell Crit, but broke a new issue.

If you are standing and use Cloak, check your stat sheet and it should add the crit rate fine.
If you are Crouched and use Cloak, the buff does not apply.

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

Samadhi wrote: »

I put in a /bug report for this.

They fixed the issue where level 4 of the skill was not giving Spell Crit, but broke a new issue.

If you are standing and use Cloak, check your stat sheet and it should add the crit rate fine.
If you are Crouched and use Cloak, the buff does not apply.

I didn't even think to check that. That's seriously messed up. Good catch!

Kego · August 2014

Taog ra wrote: »

Am I doing something wrong? Missing something? How is this possible unless the Shadowy Disguise morph is still bugged?

Do people with the other Cloak morph experience this same type of thing after Patch 1.3?

Stealth Detect Potion makes Shadow Cloak useless as mechanic to escape and belive me 8 of 10 Players in Cyrodiil have Stealth detect potions.

Zubba · August 2014

In my experience it's more like 1-2 out of 10 players in cyrodiil that use detection potion.

ecitraffic_ESO · August 2014

Samadhi wrote: »

I put in a /bug report for this.

They fixed the issue where level 4 of the skill was not giving Spell Crit, but broke a new issue.

If you are standing and use Cloak, check your stat sheet and it should add the crit rate fine.
If you are Crouched and use Cloak, the buff does not apply.

Thanks for this! I will check this today. If so, I hope this gets fixed. Really rely on that opening crit in melee range. Only Vet7 atm, so if it fails, I usually die

KleanZlate · August 2014

ecitraffic_ESO wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

I put in a /bug report for this.

They fixed the issue where level 4 of the skill was not giving Spell Crit, but broke a new issue.

If you are standing and use Cloak, check your stat sheet and it should add the crit rate fine.
If you are Crouched and use Cloak, the buff does not apply.

Thanks for this! I will check this today. If so, I hope this gets fixed. Really rely on that opening crit in melee range. Only Vet7 atm, so if it fails, I usually die

VR12 here and that's still pretty much the case

CapuchinSeven · August 2014

Kego wrote: »

Taog ra wrote: »

Am I doing something wrong? Missing something? How is this possible unless the Shadowy Disguise morph is still bugged?

Do people with the other Cloak morph experience this same type of thing after Patch 1.3?

Stealth Detect Potion makes Shadow Cloak useless as mechanic to escape and belive me 8 of 10 Players in Cyrodiil have Stealth detect potions.

Zubba wrote: »

In my experience it's more like 1-2 out of 10 players in cyrodiil that use detection potion.

Really it's anecdotal and we're all likely to give a different number, but the fact is that Nightblades are pitifully simple to neutralize in PVP, Dark Cloak should grant invisibility, it shouldn't be broken for its few active seconds by DOTs or potions, it shouldn't break because you just happen to be next to your foe, it's not stealth it's an invisibility spell.

When was the last time anyone saw a Sorc unable to Bolt Escape because they had a DOT on them...?

Kego · August 2014

Mage Light and Stealth detect Potion should just work against Hidden and nothing else.

Ofc. we all hope that with 1.4.0 we can get finally our Cloak repaired. All I need is 2,9 second time where no one can see me. It doesn't matter if I got a Dot or an AOE DMG. These can hit me, these can do DMG but they should never ever kick me out of Cloak.

dracobains_ESO · August 2014

While I agree and think NB get spat upon when it comes to defensive mechanics, my long discussion with a GM basically told me they find stealth too powerful of a skill and making it easily neutralized is working as intended.

Personally what I find most annoying is when someone drags a guard within a half mile of my location I can't re-stealth until I travel half way across the zone. it's absurd. But lets face it. If you play a nightblade you will die a lot easier than the other classes and you'll be choosing a res location frequently.