While it looks good on paper,

Resto staff Dps works only at lower levels, but when you start getting into the VR levels your class abilities become weaker and weaker because they do not scale at all with your weapon dmg attribute and you barely get any extra spellpower to suplement the damage from those abilities with gear making them clearly inferior to the destruction staff and alternative options wich scales with weapon power.

Brasseurfb16_ESO wrote: »

While it looks good on paper,

Resto staff Dps works only at lower levels, but when you start getting into the VR levels your class abilities become weaker and weaker because they do not scale at all with your weapon dmg attribute and you barely get any extra spellpower to suplement the damage from those abilities with gear making them clearly inferior to the destruction staff and alternative options wich scales with weapon power.

actualy is quite the opposite ^^'

you can get plenty of spellpower from jewels enchant (at vr 12 I'm sitting at 130 spell power and not even using gold enchant)... and spell power scale much better than weapon damage (actualy it should be around twice as better ^^' while the encahnt for both weapon and spell power give the same value... so a spellpower enchant is actualy twice as good as weapon damage enchant ^^ and the basic value of spell power is 80 at lvl 50 and above... that is almost the same as wielding a 160 base weapon damage weapon... plenty good I'd like to say ^^)

resto staff is also a really good weapon for those that use class based skill since it have a pasive that add % of damage based on your actual healt... with a total of 10% at full health... that is teh reason many uses it for tehir single target dps bar ^^

Destro staff is plenty good... for AoE... but aside for crashing force it doesn't have any other strong single target ability... and the real strenght of crushing force is in its economic cost rahter than damage so if you have other way to regolate your magika consumption/recovery you can go with class skill for single target without problem... and in that cirumstance resto staff bring in the additional 10% damage that can make the cut... also resto staff light attack are almost on teh same line of destro staff light attack... it loos in damage only when you compare heavy attack... but that is because resto heavy attack also recover 10% max magika ^^'


PS: there is also a few people that use resto staff for AoE dps too... that is for those classes that have some actual good AoE from their clas skill... DK in primis and sorc following up... for templars and NB I strongly suggest using destro since there is nothing in their class skill list that can compare with impulse when it comes down to sustained AoE dps

To be honest, I am not fussed about kill speed, so much as utter solidity, taking down packs of 3 normals with maximum possible comfort and griefing the hell out of solo instance elites. Eat my regen punk, is that the best you can do, etc.

chaosme wrote: »

Solar barrage works out to be about the same damage as impulse with the same cost. In fact, if you are using solar barrage with the resto staff, then the damage is higher. But no magicka return on kills so less efficient when running from mob pack to mob pack or when grinding.

same damage of the base damage... than you have to either add the dot or the health debuff... and if you'r using a flame staff the proc (at 55% proc chance) of burning...

^^

Moonchilde wrote: »

hangs head in sadness.

This is only slightly less comical than it is depressing - a healing staff outperforming all other weapons.

I will never do it. I would rather be locked in a standstill in whatever zone I play in, than stoop to a light armor resto staff build. F that.

actualy the problem is that all weapon are subpar to class skill... due to that the resto staff being the only weapon that offer a damage bonus outside of its own skill line become one of the most favourite...

maybe for DK destro staff can still be good since it add some spell penetration for fire damage... but I'm not sure that it is enough to cover for that 10% increased damage ^^'

all other weapon only have passives that affect their own skill line... and as said those skill are 99% inferior to class skill

that is also the reason why stamina build are less favored that magika builds... magika builds can make use of class skill... while stamina build are restricted to almost only weapon abilities...

yes it is sad... and I really hope that they will do something about this... adding more stamina based lines... balancing the damage output of spellpower based skill against weapon based skill... and other little things that could make stamina char and various weapon more functional ^^

I'm the OP. My Templar is actually a heavy armour tanking build, but I rolled an alt to go full cloth and resto staff from day one, see how she gets on. So far she does decently actually. Kite, DoT, HoT and heal.

I'm going to hog Health like crazy all the same. Healers get plenty agro in dungeons and since i'm in light armour and don't have a shield, I need something to protect me. Healers got to keep themselves alive first. One jewellery with regen is likely to cap magika regen, with passives, so the other two can go to cost reduction.

If I run out of mana I can just blame the people for not getting out of the red stuff.

chaosme wrote: »

Solar barrage works out to be about the same damage as impulse with the same cost. In fact, if you are using solar barrage with the resto staff, then the damage is higher. But no magicka return on kills so less efficient when running from mob pack to mob pack or when grinding.

But solar barrage is "magic" damage while impulse is an elemental type, which yields many benefits including +crit from destruction passives, the many enemies weaker to fire damage, and other bonuses from elemental skill synergies.

Resto staff heavy attack restores MP as well. They may look like they deal less damage, but their attacks deal the same amount as a Destruction staff, except resto staffs hit 3 smaller times while destro staves hit 1 big time. Resto staff heavy attacks start dealing their damage when you start holding the button, but the other staves you need to charge completely before it does any damage.

If you aren't planning on using any of destro staves skills with your staff dps build, Resto staff is actually better for you. The cycle of life trait increases the damage you deal by 2% for every 20% HP you have at 2 skills points, up to 10%, so those class skills or other damage skills will do more.

All of this is rather silly, as they are bound to nerf the Resto 10% passive at some point. Nightblades and Templars should not have their optimal dps builds use a Resto staff.

Saiden wrote: »

All of this is rather silly, as they are bound to nerf the Resto 10% passive at some point. Nightblades and Templars should not have their optimal dps builds use a Resto staff.

Their optimal dps coming from a resto staff just points out how much stamina and weapon abilities suck atm.

jcfreakyob14_ESO wrote: »

Templars have no other alternative to regenerating Magicka outside of the Resto Staff or Equilibrium (<---no, not ever). The day ZOS removes the 10% Magicka gain from a Resto Staff Heavy Attack without giving Templars an alternative means for Magicka regeneration is the day not only I unsub, but the day you will be hard pressed to ever find a Templar at the ESO endgame.

What if removing resource management from classes is how they plan on balancing Magicka and Stamina?

Look at NightBlade their Resource Management will be nerfed to usedless in patch 1.2? DragonKnights never really had much of a Resource Management just one slightly better than Templars after nerf.

I hope if they do nerf Restro Staff they find a good exchange for the 10% Magicka gain for something Stamina users can use to put out slightly better healing.

audabon2013 wrote: »

lol @brasseur said class skills don't scale into VR. that's rich.

how then to explain crystal frags/fury and funnel health/impale mage-types?

you better believe that my ghetto dawns wrath Templar wields a resto staff too. and not just cuz I main a healer. haha.

First I said Class abilities didn't scale with weapon power (wich is true by the way), unlike destruction staff and restoration staff abilities. So don't assume and make a mockery of things I haven't said in my post, because its rude.

Secondly to make class abilities scales to that lvl of dps you have to equip a full set of spellpower jewelry, wich can be an issue while you are still leveling in the VR content.

As a first character build, wich was my templar, it was very impractical to lvl with class abilities dealing dmg in VR content because your dmg "drops" in each subsequent area you get until you finaly reach VR cap and gear yourself with Purple Gear (or gold) and Spellpower jewelry enchants, that's where you get a huge DPS increase.

So yeah, it looks very good on paper and it has been confirmed to be a very effective way to DPS by other players bellow my post. But still, it is a pain in the a** to get to that point, especialy if its your first character and have none of your craft skills maxed out yet.

You are correct dudegr.

Nice necro on this one too. Over 30 days, sweet.

If you remove the 10% bonus damage, the restoration staff will become all but forgotten, and used only as an off-weapon by dungeon healers. The whole reason they gave restoration staff the bonus was that it would be a weapon that's not only useful for healing, but for other builds as well, which they succeeded in. Removing the bonus will only result in decreasing the available number of viable builds, which is not something any mmorpg should ever be doing.

Restoration staff is perfect the way it is now, it is on par with the other staves and it is used no more often. Not everyone is running around with a healing staff, and I think the balance of staves is perfect at the moment.

You should not blame the healing staff for an issue that has nothing to do with the healing staff, i.e. weak stamina weapon skills. The devs have already said that they will be significantly upgrading many stamina weapon skills such as Cleave and Uppercut, as well as several dual wielding and bow skills.

I am also quite sure that destruction staves do a lot more damage than healing staves with their light and heavy attacks. This was common knowledge in most discussions I've participated in, confirmed by my own experiences in the game, and I see no patch notes that might have changed this. It's funny how healing staves suddenly do more damage in a discussion about complaints on healing staves.

Zsymon wrote: »

Removing the bonus will only result in decreasing the available number of viable builds, which is not something any mmorpg should ever be doing.

Nope. You're wrong. Because of that passive then there is only one choice in the game if you truly want to be at your best, using class skills and a resto staff. It hinders new builds.

At the very least other weapons need a passive that does the same thing, passively boost class damage, but even then what would be the point when you can deal the most damage AND heal with the resto staff.

That passive needs to be gone. If not, the only way to balance it would be to give every weapon the game a similar type of passive that boosts all damage and a single decent heal.

Zsymon wrote: »

The devs have already said that they will be significantly upgrading many stamina weapon skills such as Cleave and Uppercut, as well as several dual wielding and bow skills.

Citation required, they said they wouldn't be heavily buffing weapon skills.