Even when we do try to finally set something up across all the groups, we get guester zergs from EP or DC AP farming the *** out of something with a constant threat of siege from the rest of the faction.

Guesting and 'travel to player' in AvA needs to be disabled.

Arrius keep was a great fight - but I guess you guys were not expecting a two wall job. Good times!!

GRxKnight wrote: »

What Rylana said is true. AD has 3 groups or maybe even more that do not ever work together, and it seems that TKO is spent most of it's time playing hopscotch defending our keeps (when we have them), because we can't rely on any of the other groups doing that correctly. When we do finally decide to try and coordinate, it fails because one group bails out or doesn't follow through with the plan. AD definitely deserves to be at the bottom of this campaign. We have strong groups but it's too little too late at this point even if they do start working together.

As the leader of one of these other groups, I can say this is definitely the case. There's a lot of hate for TKO and their methods in the rest of the faction, and that makes people unwilling to work with them, which ruins coordination and causes infighting, because TKO makes up half of AD. We have the highest population and several good groups, but we're in third place and have often been the joke of the campaign because of these problems. I just hope things can work out before Update 3.

ROFL

Magister_Aena wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

What Rylana said is true. AD has 3 groups or maybe even more that do not ever work together, and it seems that TKO is spent most of it's time playing hopscotch defending our keeps (when we have them), because we can't rely on any of the other groups doing that correctly. When we do finally decide to try and coordinate, it fails because one group bails out or doesn't follow through with the plan. AD definitely deserves to be at the bottom of this campaign. We have strong groups but it's too little too late at this point even if they do start working together.

As the leader of one of these other groups, I can say this is definitely the case. There's a lot of hate for TKO and their methods in the rest of the faction, and that makes people unwilling to work with them, which ruins coordination and causes infighting, because TKO makes up half of AD. We have the highest population and several good groups, but we're in third place and have often been the joke of the campaign because of these problems. I just hope things can work out before Update 3.

I honestly don't understand why there's hate for TKO. We do nothing but try and help the AD score and have, since day 1, attempted to have AD be not last.

Thanks to some really greedy people on DC we dethroned Zazeer - EP swarmed in as soon as the emp was dethroned - to throne a new one. AS PREDICTED. I just don't get why people refuse to think when it comes to campaign strategy.

Greed is a real killer.

Grats to the new EP emp - that zerg was just too large to fight back with 18 tonight. Had to be about 60 of you at Farragut - that grew at Arrius - and was even larger at Chalman - but we went to Arrius to get your momentum slowed - it worked - but by then we had too few - and most were tired of fighting 60 with 18 - even though we made over 70K after the zerg started throwing itself at us it's just very tiring to constantly fight that outnumbered.

I know the map will be red in the morning - and there will be a new EP emp. HEY DC - see the pattern?

Get a clue.

Once the guests come in on one faction, they inevitably follow for the others as well. I know I saw a large number of groups full of former emps from other campaigns during the dethronement, and sure enough a massive amount of guests on EP followed suit shortly thereafter. The real issue is guesting, not greed. Either commit to this campaign or stay out.

I think that is how it should work. You get a home campaign, and VERY limited guesting capabilities.

GRxKnight wrote: »

Magister_Aena wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

What Rylana said is true. AD has 3 groups or maybe even more that do not ever work together, and it seems that TKO is spent most of it's time playing hopscotch defending our keeps (when we have them), because we can't rely on any of the other groups doing that correctly. When we do finally decide to try and coordinate, it fails because one group bails out or doesn't follow through with the plan. AD definitely deserves to be at the bottom of this campaign. We have strong groups but it's too little too late at this point even if they do start working together.

As the leader of one of these other groups, I can say this is definitely the case. There's a lot of hate for TKO and their methods in the rest of the faction, and that makes people unwilling to work with them, which ruins coordination and causes infighting, because TKO makes up half of AD. We have the highest population and several good groups, but we're in third place and have often been the joke of the campaign because of these problems. I just hope things can work out before Update 3.

I honestly don't understand why there's hate for TKO. We do nothing but try and help the AD score and have, since day 1, attempted to have AD be not last.

First, There is no zone communication from ANY of the leaders of AD in this camp.

Second, TKO just holds half the pop at any given time and tends to farm with the pugs. I logged in today, pop locked and got 6 ppl to come to Aleswell to push.
--> 6 <--- People.. Really?!!? You can't sit there and say TKO tries to coordinate, you guys never have anything beneficial to say in zone. If spies are your reason, be more of a threat and spies wont matter...


TLDR- Why all the hate for TKO? You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. TKO is Balls Deep with a new name. Same old tactics new day.

I think a great deal of the frustration that comes out into the zone chat and on the forums here is due to two major causes.

1. No matter what we do, we end up having to save the day, every single time a keep lights up. Meaning, we cant accomplish anything else because for whatever reason/agenda/poor judgement on the part of other raid leaders, we end up losing ground because no one else will defend it most of the time. Thus we end up doing EVERYTHING ELSE besides assaulting keeps most of the night.

2. We try to communicate/coordinate and all we get is backlash and egos saying their way is the only way they are going to do it, and we can just get lost. Then they fail anyway, and somehow that was our fault too.


Its like the other members of the server expect us to spoonfeed them everything while they sit behind us at our farms, scroll runs, and caps and reap the delicious AP they would have never been able to get on their own. it gets old. From my perspective I want to see the other guilds/group grow up and start to take the training wheels off and do things for themselves a lot more so we dont have to feel like we are babysitting every keep, placing every camp, taking every outpost, running every scroll, doing literally everything all of the time while another group beats their head uselessly on an ultra defended keep no amount of people are going to take (chalman with 60 reds inside, what?)

Now dont get me wrong, I know there are other AD players not in TKO that are very competent and know what is going on, but the ones that actually "lead" these people have a competence problem more often than not.

Hell just tonight me and four other guys from Aldmeri Vice led the charge on four keep caps (brindle, roebeck, alessia, then roebeck again) because no one else was doing it. We would start the siege, place the camp, light the keep up, and then like 20 people would show up, we would cap it, and there ya go. We didnt even have to say anything and people showed up. But we did it in a specific way by providing the means to do so (ballistae, camps, simple instructions in zone)

its not hard to lead a group, even one you arent even a part of, just by going out and doing something that actually matters. Why some other members of AD's "elite" (and i say that derogatorily) feel slighted when someone else tries to take the spearhead is beyond me.

bitaken wrote: »

Thanks to some really greedy people on DC we dethroned Zazeer - EP swarmed in as soon as the emp was dethroned - to throne a new one. AS PREDICTED. I just don't get why people refuse to think when it comes to campaign strategy.

Greed is a real killer.

Grats to the new EP emp - that zerg was just too large to fight back with 18 tonight. Had to be about 60 of you at Farragut - that grew at Arrius - and was even larger at Chalman - but we went to Arrius to get your momentum slowed - it worked - but by then we had too few - and most were tired of fighting 60 with 18 - even though we made over 70K after the zerg started throwing itself at us it's just very tiring to constantly fight that outnumbered.

I know the map will be red in the morning - and there will be a new EP emp. HEY DC - see the pattern?

Get a clue.

DC actually tried to cap emperor tonight, we stopped them at Alessia. it was actually close, they almost took the walls. Had they been able to, I am not sure we could have stopped them.

runagate wrote: »

Kybotica wrote: »

The real issue is guesting, not greed. Either commit to this campaign or stay out.

I think that is how it should work. You get a home campaign, and VERY limited guesting capabilities.

I love that.

You know the zerg had gone crazy when I haven't seen a glimpse of M'iaq in over a week. You might have been there, but there were a zillion I'd never seen so it just becomes a cloud of former emperors and, for AD, stunning numbers of low-level players with siege that melt like butter upon approach. It's disconcerting.

Naa, although tonight the guest zergs were out in force. I was away for training with work and then on a vacation, so that'd be why I wasn't around for a little over a week.

LonePirate wrote: »

EP swarmed in because someone finally put down a camp. We had a locked pop for a while tonight but only a dozen or so of us were erecting camps. I guess the rest were off running laps with the scroll at Rayles.

I actually decided to chill with the guys at Rayles for once tonight.
So much fun, severely outnumbered, especially at Farm.

bitaken wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

bitaken wrote: »

Thanks to some really greedy people on DC we dethroned Zazeer - EP swarmed in as soon as the emp was dethroned - to throne a new one. AS PREDICTED. I just don't get why people refuse to think when it comes to campaign strategy.

Greed is a real killer.

Grats to the new EP emp - that zerg was just too large to fight back with 18 tonight. Had to be about 60 of you at Farragut - that grew at Arrius - and was even larger at Chalman - but we went to Arrius to get your momentum slowed - it worked - but by then we had too few - and most were tired of fighting 60 with 18 - even though we made over 70K after the zerg started throwing itself at us it's just very tiring to constantly fight that outnumbered.

I know the map will be red in the morning - and there will be a new EP emp. HEY DC - see the pattern?

Get a clue.

DC actually tried to cap emperor tonight, we stopped them at Alessia. it was actually close, they almost took the walls. Had they been able to, I am not sure we could have stopped them.

Yeah - hence greed is a bad thing. Since the emp is the same guy - there is ZERO reason for us to just re-throne him. However, once we have more than 3 of the imperial keeps - zone chat always looks the same. And reality is, it's always the same crew saying - let's go get emp. I don't have to name names here for the smart ones to figure out who is saying it. However, EP was at 2 bars and defending BRK for the most part until BRK was taken. Once it fell, bam pop locked and the map is likely all ready red all over. We fought them and made them earn every inch in both Farra and Arrius. However, after seeing their numbers at Arrius it was almost disheartening and most of my crew logged. By the time we held and cleared courtyard at Chalman - against well over 60 with 18 - we were down to 16 and went to Arrius to pull them off Chlaman.

The issue is, why continue crowning emperor's for EP? What is wrong with people that don't see EP is just using this massive zerg of oceanics' just to continue making more former emperors? Why do we continually dethrone these emperor's to continue allowing it to happen? Why can't people pull their head out of their proverbial backsides and stop being so damn stupid?

sorry. I was one of those 'ap farmers' at least for a day or two. I was getting bored running scouting missions to brindle hour after hour and wanted to try DB craze, but I honestly had to bow out when I saw the same inconsiderate jerks who ruined the Volendrung community, and I'm getting the impression same inconsiderate jerks are the ones poisoning your humble little server.

Really they just need to not reward bad behavior and actively discourage emp trading/farming. Hopefully this will happen with Update 3, and hoping they do a 'clean slate' and just remove EVERYONE's former emp buffs so everyone has to restart from scratch, because only the toughest meanest most dedicated single player has any business achieving that.

I'm curious though....if Vol is the 'buff reservoir" for EP, what other dead servers do the same for the other factions? I wonder if AD/DC can send small teams in to ninja keeps in Vol while the reigning elite guild is off getting their jollies in DB. Because I spotted them quite often to know that they certainly aren't being particularly vigilant in regards to keeps except for the current Vol emp.

I did spot a influx of happy little nublets running around Davon's Watch after the recent steam sale, and one of my ex-thatothermmo-buddies has recently converted, so hoping a new generation of pvper will join the fray and once the new setups come there'll be the kiddie pool for the -50s and the deep end for the vets.

Skullcrusher is the AD stronghold, Bloodthorn is the DC one, though DC has I think three that have been all blue for a while.

Once the new campaigns go live, I dont see the guesting buffs being a particular issue as its going to be damn near impossible for one faction to actually dominate in a high pop environment.

The only reason Volendrung, Skullcrusher, and Bloodthorn are the way they are is because the other two factions have no presence whatsoever.

In fact next time I see Naw guesting on DB, I am probably going to try to organize a raid to go over to Bloodthorn and dethrone them (or attempt to). Im sort of sick of guesting emps coming over to AP farm.