I don't see how vendoring one serving of level 35 food at 6g was a "potential economic exploit." Sure I can make 4 servings at once but that's still only 24g, and it takes a decent amount of time and effort to run all over the place, looting everything you can find for ingredients. And here I'm trying to save up for the next inventory upgrade which costs 11,900 gold. Do the math.

With the food value nerf and being unable to "farm" public dungeon/delve bosses for gear to sell, it's going to take a LONG time to reach that goal now.

Agreed, it takes a lot of effort for a legitimate player to get the recipes and ingredients to make food, then the food is not worth that much to begin with and now it is being lowered further... Some of the changes being made are not very good, I think focusing on all the glitches would be time better spent. I really did not make that much off of food but it helped get a little extra gold. I also feel like my skill points have been wasted. If I want to reset them it will cost a lot more gold.

Hmmm, could Zenimax be affiliated with the gold selling sites… maybe that is why I keep getting some much f’ing junk mail in my game mailbox… How about fixing botting, spamming, glitches, etc. and stop taking from legitimate player. Shoot, I was not even able to get logged back in today.

I'd like to note that I read about the nerf to sell prices on food prior to server shutdown and proceeded to clear out all the provisioning materials in my inventory and vendor them

I had enough materials enough materials with Chef/Brewers to make about 1200 food and 1200 drinks (you get 4 food/drink per craft w/ chef/brewer maxed) and they sell for 5 gold each (level 20-25) at the vendor made about 12,000 gold. I think I was hitting the "R" button to craft for a good 90 minutes (wasn't timing it exactly)

As for time to farm this amount of materials, I made no special effort to farm them, just what I find as I go. I'm leveling two characters at the same time, and looted most of the provisioning containers I've come across, one character has completed Stormhaven and the other is about half way through it.

Though this change sucks, I personally would have liked to see the opposite happen, have other crafts vendor prices increased to be more in line with provisioning, not that I vendor a lot from other crafts (mostly deconstruct for skill ups) but I've noticed that a white piece of gear, a green piece of gear, and a blue piece of gear all have about the same vendor price give or take a few gold.
Between repair costs, heavy fees for guild stores/CoD charges, bank/bag expansions, re-spec, at this point in the game feels as if I have plenty of gold sinks already, though I cannot speak for end game

Niminion wrote: »

Yeah it was a little too good, I had 3/3 chef/brewer and in the 30's each barrel,sac,basket, etc you looted essentially contained 12g.

No other crafting skill had this kind of income.

Exactly. It needed to be fixed for balance reasons (and I say that as someone who also used this to make some coin).

My level 12 char had just made 50 Provisioning and made enough gold to make armor repairs. She had one last hurrah, at least. But it's on to the next craft, so it's not that bad. Make double if in a bind.

I understand why they nerfed it, however it was like it was the entire beta/PTS. It should have been done before it went live, as it was no secret that Provisioning was a good way to make some extra cash. These kind of nerfs set a bad precedent imo.

Either this nerf was needed, or -every- other craft needed buffed.

Provisioning is so -ridiculously- easy to raise, too, compared to the other crafts. 0-40 in Provisioning took what... an hour or so? Why not just let everyone start out at max?

Sorry OP - you make a lot of excuses to hack on the nerf, but what you don't realize is that a huge number of players were using this loophole, and using it hard. While some folks might complain about sitting around hitting R for 60 minutes in order to make a few k gold, there are tons of folks doing just that and not complaining one bit - while none of the other crafts have that luxury, nor the mega-speedy leveling benefit, either.

Provisioning really needed a double nerf: skilling up speed, and food sell-cost. Just my opinion, tho.

Ulalume wrote: »

Well, I expected a nerf but the 50% price cut seems rather harsh. There's no point now in crafting anything but the stuff you actually use. No one buys food/drinks of the guild stores anyway and selling it to a vendor is no longer worth the time invested.

It just means it will take you twice a long to gather wealth.

Sakiri wrote: »

Whatd they do to delve bosses? I dont farm them so I have no idea.

Apparently nothing. 20 minutes ago I visited the Emberflint Mine because I needed items for deconstruction. The boss area was flooded with bots; some sorcs killed them many times but they respawned over and over.

The irony of the story is that, while I was killing mobs, I leveled then I stop getting loot. That is the sad truth, real people get punished by the nerf bat while bots stay in business.

Provisioning was an easy way to make money, without even having to grind for it. Just in the normal order of play, I'd easily make a few k every few hours when I got back to town and crafted all the food and drink and sold it. From something that I originally started using just for the buffs, it quickly became something I was making an easy buck off. So I don't mind this nerf, one of my friends was incredibly frustrated at how quickly I was making more gold than him because of how easy provisioning was.

WelkinDust wrote: »

I maxed out Chef and Brewer just so I could make a bit of extra gold vendoring my creations.

You answered your own question here. Obviously, vendoring your creations, rather than using them or selling them to players was not their intended mechanic, and was being abused.

I made a fair amount of money off of provisioning... with the 4x food / drink per recipe. Every time my bank and bags are full, I'd swap around items to put all the food mats in the bank and get my provisioner to make food and vendor it. Depending on how much was there, I'd make 1000 - 3000 g per time. Of course, that was getting better as I got into higher level areas and found better food mats.

That seems a bit overpowered in wealth generation and, I guess, it was. However, couple points here. I put a lot of skill points in provisioning specifically for the reason of making money from it. What's wrong with that? Is that an exploit? I don't think so. Secondly, I search everything I find. I stop at every bag, every barrel, every dresser, etc. I'm a hoarder and that's fine. That's how I play but it should be noted that it is time-consuming. Much time is lost with that constant barrel searching? Only a few seconds each time but that adds up. I can kill another monster in that time and level up faster. In effect, doing the way I was doing it, trading skillpoints and time for gold is in direct contrast to my leveling up.

My main character is only level 33. I'm not V5 or whatever. I certainly put enough time in the game that I could be. But I'm playing differently. More of a focus on money than leveling. I wanted the 42,700 g horse. Provisioning paid for it. I wanted 110 bag inventory. Provisioning paid for it. I wanted a lot of bank space. Provisioning used to paid for it but now only 50% of what I got before.

So, no, I don't like the nerf. And no, I don't think vendoring provisioned food/drink is an exploit. It's how some of us have chosen to generate wealth. And even before the nerf it probably isn't the best way to get money anyway. I'm sure powerleveling and getting high end gear and selling it brings in more money than food does.

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