someone doesn't know any tactics?

you mean tictacs?

Yes, the mobs are harder to kill. You now need groups and have to work together with a plan in order to take keeps and resources. I hear the same grip over and over again, "It's too hard!" Well, either adapt, or don't PVP. It's not a requirement. They made it harder intentionally because a single person using the right tactics could basically solo all the npcs in the zone. They also made it so that vet ranked players wouldn't all be nerfed down to V1. There's pros with the cons.

As far as being able to leave them as rubble. You could almost do that already. You can take down most of the walls of a keep if you wanted to, however if you want to keep it you'd probably want to build them back up too. Just saying.

My sorcerer wants to be a Tower Mage when he levels up!

Those guys hurt.

Sharee wrote: »

The debate whether this or that is overpowered aside, the opportunity to siege the keep until it is a pile of stones is not a bad idea.

I would like to say for the record, this is "almost" possible. One night my guild took down every wall, door, and roof in a keep one night and left it in utter ruins to troll the other side. It looked quite awesome actually and appeared to be near rubble (we have a youtube of it running around somewhere). The event was so awesome that just a little over half-way through us tearing down the last wall, we turn around and look and notice we have a huge audience watching, both AD and DC, just watching in awe. This was the first time I had ever seen all three factions within feet of each other not swinging. This did repeat, the peaceful assembly, once again a few days later when we went troll fest again on week 2 after pre-release and threw DC's scroll in the slaughterfish (actually they were going after our defensive scroll at the time and had us cut off, so to prevent them from picking ours up so we had time to defend our scroll, we toss their mess in the water -- Go fish, was the /zone message ).

leewells wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

The debate whether this or that is overpowered aside, the opportunity to siege the keep until it is a pile of stones is not a bad idea.

I would like to say for the record, this is "almost" possible. One night my guild took down every wall, door, and roof in a keep one night and left it in utter ruins to troll the other side. It looked quite awesome actually and appeared to be near rubble (we have a youtube of it running around somewhere). The event was so awesome that just a little over half-way through us tearing down the last wall, we turn around and look and notice we have a huge audience watching, both AD and DC, just watching in awe. This was the first time I had ever seen all three factions within feet of each other not swinging.

Interesting, i thought on inner keep only the main door and the two postern walls can be destroyed.

Assaulting keeps shouldn't be easy, but Cyrodiil wasn't designed to be a PvE area so including any kind of OP mobs that can hit three times harder then average player was in one simple word stupid. Even groups of 20 or more players fail because any of those guards could one shot Molag Bal.

TomLukman wrote: »

Assaulting keeps shouldn't be easy, but Cyrodiil wasn't designed to be a PvE area so including any kind of OP mobs that can hit three times harder then average player was in one simple word stupid. Even groups of 20 or more players fail because any of those guards could one shot Molag Bal.

it clearly is just a measure of what tactics you use.

I've taken keeps with 11 people even with 7-10 defenders. They key is what your group is composed of and what ultimate are used. Barrier, War Horn,Negate Magic, Standard of Might.. if you are all on Team speak or any other voice comms, even OP keep guards get wrecked.

ALSO, Oil pots play a big part. Offensively place oil pots on the enemy flags to give yourself an insurance policy just in case the enemies try to re cap.

if 20 people can't take a keep. they aren't synergizing and using ultimates in tandem and communicating

the guards help small groups of people have a chance of defending keeps if vastly outnumbered.

I've been part of small groups that instantly lose keeps, and ive been part of small groups that defend keeps for hours.

5. Allow only one siege per player to be deployed - deploying another siege weapon destroys the previously deployed one. This would stop oil spamming and help reduce lag.

TomLukman wrote: »

5. Allow only one siege per player to be deployed - deploying another siege weapon destroys the previously deployed one. This would stop oil spamming and help reduce lag.

Easy and Simple solution to a few different problems.

+1 Insightful Sir

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Jaxom wrote: »

TomLukman wrote: »

5. Allow only one siege per player to be deployed - deploying another siege weapon destroys the previously deployed one. This would stop oil spamming and help reduce lag.

Easy and Simple solution to a few different problems.

+1 Insightful Sir

and will further encourage big zergs... meh
I wish they'd relax the aoe cap tbh. PVP should be about strategy, not who can get more people to blob together

I see where you are coming from. You need to bring 20 people to hit the 20 seige cap. The thing with zergs is that they will always be there no matter what. It's the path of least resistance and requires the least amount of thought and planning. I do agree with the AoE cap. They really should remove it.

This suggestion would help detract from seige capping your own faction for Emperor farming and detract from Oil pot farming. Two hotly debated topics currently.

My only counter suggestion would be to let people place multiple seige down, but any unmanned seige would degrade at a rapid rate (say 5% per second). This let's smaller groups still place multiple seige down for a quick castle seige but would make the aforementioned problems more difficult to achieve.

jakec1481b14_ESO wrote: »

Damage for Oil/Mage/Archers should SCALE ON POPULATION.

Measures to spread out players more evenly throughout the campaigns should be taken in first place. Adjusting game mechanics to imbalanced population is horrible antipattern.

TomLukman wrote: »

Cyrodiil should be about PvP combat. If someone wants to do challenging missions against mobs they can have a lot of fun doing quests, dungeons or trials.

Guards _enable_ PvP combat, as they provide pillar the weaker group (whichever it is at he moment) can take advantage of, instead of logging off or going guesting elsewhere.
Same goes for heavy oiling by defenders.