Is PvP Really This Dead?

AryaWythers · May 2014

Just wondering if they ruined the game to PvP'rs? Of course they wont allow any questions about PvP in Customer Support, which truly shows how they feel about us. I just got back yesterday and have only seen one faction with more than one bar on a Campaign. Looks like they finally ruined the game and made it a FOOLISH single player MMO. Can someone tell me if PvP ever picks up.

joshisanonymous · May 2014

Sort your guild rosters by level and you'll probably get a good idea of what most people are focused on at the moment.

JosephChip · May 2014

Don't know about your campaign, but I have played a couple of hours today on AB EU and there was plenty of action. I have been in more than one 60+ vs 60+.

Ragnar_Lodbrok · May 2014

Well considering 95% (likely more) of the game is set for pve Id say its not an issue.

a_thielen_ESO · May 2014

Off peak hours I can't find any battles at all.

frwinters_ESO · May 2014

Wabbajack always has good play, always something going on with real good fights. When you get new PvE content you will always see a drop in PVP cause everyone who was bored waiting for new PvE content was pvping.

everyone just come to wabbajack and you will have pvp.

Lowbei · May 2014

no, pvp died a little when zos ignored the players 87% vote against ae caps.

then it died a little more when they nerfed aes and increased guard spawns to stop small groups from being effective.

then it died even more when they knew about the caltrops exploit and refused to remove it and have given no definite date for a fix.

then it died completely when merc guard spam became common, and they refuse to comment on it.

not to mention the lag.

pvp is dead in eso, and by the next sub cycle it will be all low pops with nothing even at primetime, after only 2 months, all because they didnt give a *** about what the players wanted.

how sad.

protip, the next time your players have a landslide vote with about 4000 votes, you dont ignore them and just hope that they will stick around anyway. by the way, fyi, we also had another vote about whether the ae cap would affect peoples willingness to sub. the answer was "yes".

rvnson · May 2014

Too dumbed down combat system.
Nerfing AoE was the last straw, combined with boosting zerg's power even further.
Forcing people to grind PvE (booring quest line) to be competative.
Major imbalances with abilities (probably not tested propperly, or ignored the feedback from anyone with any experience).

I had surprisngly fun playing it tho for the short amount i did. But nothing that would hold interrest in the longterm.

Shame with the game, the zone design was nice and the reward system was fine.

AryaWythers · May 2014

It's really sad when a game has more PvP'rs in pre-launch than two months into the game!

Teargrants · May 2014

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Sort your guild rosters by level and you'll probably get a good idea of what most people are focused on at the moment.

It's not just leveling, a lot of ppl have simply quit. Out of my 3 trading guilds they all have about 25% of ppl who haven't logged in in over 2 weeks. And my 100 some member PvP guild is even worse, just over a third of them haven't logged in 2 weeks. We have a lot of ppl in our main pvp group that already reached V12, but none of them will go back to Cyrodiil because of caltrops + lag. They haven't even gone in since Craglorn and seen the merc spamming/bugging or the increased server lag and nightly rollbacks.

Go figure.

Cody · May 2014

I quit cause I got tired of being 3 shoted by max rank vets:/. plus all the bugs and exploits. the PvP was better the first 2 weeks, but with all the people that power leveled to max vet rank, all these bugs, exploits, and the lag, it really makes it hard to have fun in PvP

SwampRaider · May 2014

PVP is dead to me. on my home campaign, chrysamere NA, I cant even get a group to take a keep from 20 AD who own the whole map. you heard me. 20 AD own whole map. lol. most days i can probably get 6-10.

frwinters_ESO · June 2014

Wabbajack is still jumping. everyone just come to Wabbajack.

bitaken · June 2014

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Wabbajack is still jumping. everyone just come to Wabbajack.

Not sure if serious. The only thing Wabba is doing - is jumping out the window.

The campaign is relatively balanced with real PvP to be had - but the lag has been ferocious. We will see what little effect todays patch had.

Wolfahm · June 2014

The people crying about AOE cap need to know that every skill HAD or was MEANT to have a cap from day1. Get the *** over it and stfu.

belugian · June 2014

well i am pretty happy with the balance fixing so far and i always have good fights on auriel or bloodthorn.

Nazon_Katts · June 2014

We had a single player sand-park and turned it into a single player themepark with PvP endgame. I'm not entirely sure if it ever gave birth to anything breathing nor if life was possible at all in the first place. It's been a strange combo to start with.

They probably can just add arenas and rework Cyrodiil into a PvE large group zone, as quite frankly, the demand for a RvR mechanics in TES wasn't all that great anyways. Just going by campaign pops, even when they were full in the beginning, it was just a tiny fraction of the player base. Sad, but not surprising.

NekOnOkO · June 2014

AvA is alive and rocking, at EU in prime-time at least. The real problem is that almost all decent RvR focused guilds have already quit (btw i wonder where, since Wildstar is an abomination PvP-wise) and it's really hard to find worthy opponents, but when you do - it's really fun.

Ifthir_ESO · June 2014

AryaWythers wrote: »

It's really sad when a game has more PvP'rs in pre-launch than two months into the game!

Some things that aren't fun about AvA:

Ride your horse 10 minutes across the map to get ganked by 6 v12's when you are solo.

Watch your alliance members use stupid tactics and die horribly leaving you to get ganked.

Watch the people who exploited to V12 abuse the AP they farmed when their alliance dominated a map for the last month by stacking 20 mercs non-stop.

Watch skill and tactics instantly become irrelevant as everything falls to the massive zerg.

Watch DK emperors take on 10+ vets and lol at them because the class is so horribly imbalanced.

Watch oil spam inside a building kill 10 people you just told don't go in there, while the person dumping the oil is unaffected.

Any fight/PvP/AvA where you get 0 commands off either due to lag/cc spam/etc.

Block spam negating attacks the blocker cannot see, that came from behind them.

I get the sense that @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌ needs more feedback from us re: what is working and what is not working, and I must say AvA has somehow gotten worse since the PTS.

Right now half of the data ZoS has is due to exploits/horrible class imbalance/horrible alliance balance per server. You get a server full of AD/DC who have been on top since the game began and they have so much AP that most people can never catch up. The first way to fix this is to stop allowing people to change servers so frequently. 72 hours is not nearly enough. It should be a week.

The server to server guild movement is ridiculous right now and is contributing to horrible balance swings (Though I admit in some cases it is HELPED by those guilds moving server to server).

Poxheart · June 2014

The PvP in this game was better during the beta weekends.

Molisin01 · June 2014

Lowbei wrote: »

because they didnt give a *** about what the players wanted.

I think that about sums it up for both PVP and PVE (Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood)

Sharee · June 2014

Constant action on Bloodthorn EU.

belugian · June 2014

the more they fix it the more tactics are getting back in the game. they re doing it the right way in my opinion.

davidetombab16_ESO · June 2014

Lowbei wrote: »

no, pvp died a little when zos ignored the players 87% vote against ae caps.

then it died a little more when they nerfed aes and increased guard spawns to stop small groups from being effective.

then it died even more when they knew about the caltrops exploit and refused to remove it and have given no definite date for a fix.

then it died completely when merc guard spam became common, and they refuse to comment on it.

not to mention the lag.

pvp is dead in eso, and by the next sub cycle it will be all low pops with nothing even at primetime, after only 2 months, all because they didnt give a *** about what the players wanted.

how sad.

protip, the next time your players have a landslide vote with about 4000 votes, you dont ignore them and just hope that they will stick around anyway. by the way, fyi, we also had another vote about whether the ae cap would affect peoples willingness to sub. the answer was "yes".

no pvp is died bacause eso is a bad game , that s all.

galiumb16_ESO · June 2014

davidetombab16_ESO wrote: »

no pvp is died bacause eso is a bad game , that s all.

I do not think it is a bad game at its core. I think it is just another MMO in the long line that came to the conclusion that catering to dumb and lazy people makes the most business sense. Maybe it does, but for me it just puts the game in decline patch after patch as they listen to the endless drivel from the dumb and lazy.

Yasha · June 2014

Leaving aside the issue of bugs and lag and disconnects when in groups (which have been with us since launch), the pvp felt more fun during beta and early on because most people were lowish levels and the cheese tactics/builds hadn't been widely discovered.

I am really hoping that the new non-vet campaigns come out really soon, because I think it will bring back a lot of the magic that was felt initially -especially if the lag/bugs are also progressively ironed out.

If they introduce an easy to join arena that is bracketed by level or normalized in some way it would also reinject a bit of life into the pvp side of the game, but that is probably not going to happen before my sub runs out.

Nivzruo_ESO · June 2014

Wait, did they expect people to like AvA? 100v100 aoe spam isn't my idea of fun. Honestly I was expecting this to be small scale only pvp, in oblivion & skyrim you never had more then 6 or 7 AI in a battle(unless you used mods), at the most in skyrim it would be you and a few stormcloaks versus 5 or so imperials. Soo based on the previous games I expected an almost arena only game, I had no idea that the dev team was a buncha zerg spam groupies.