Cyrodiil-1 of Many BG options... Others would be One alliance vs One alliance. (Developers Lazy..)

jvargas150_ESO

Hey why is there only the Cyrodiil BG? Why can't we que for other types of BGs like Capture the Flag etc.

Currently we are forced to play this battle ground (yeah I'm calling it that) and it kinda sucks.. its so unbalance population wise, and the running around is pointless.

This thread sums it up best..

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/eso-pvp-zergy-boring-and-pointless/

We would like to play in battlegrounds where the numbers are equal and perhaps let it be 1 alliance vs 1 alliance.

Why limit ESO to just one type of PVP capturing towers.. when we can have multiple game modes that ARE WAY MORE FUN and take less time to play.

Seems to me the developers took the EASY WAY OUT!

galiumb16_ESO

Why are you even playing ESO? If you find BGs WAY MORE FUN then seems like a better game choice would have been Wildstar.

Take some responsibility for your game choice. No where have I seen ESO promise anything but Cyrodiil, so why are you here accusing them of being lazy for not providing you something else?

jhmcclellan3_ESO

I personally prefer large scale RVR - WVW PVP over BG's. I don't have a problem in the world with them being added mind you, as they can be fun, but I really enjoy the RVR style best.

jvargas150_ESO

galiumb16_ESO wrote: »

Why are you even playing ESO? If you find BGs WAY MORE FUN then seems like a better game choice would have been Wildstar.

Take some responsibility for your game choice. No where have I seen ESO promise anything but Cyrodiil, so why are you here accusing them of being lazy for not providing you something else?

I think you missed the point of the thread... Cyrodiil is just one type of battleground, capturing keeps.. why not add other types...

Just seems like being lazy.. when we can have other types of battlegrounds besides the one they gave us..

nukeyoo

Yes if Cyrodiil only had objectives you could battle over and capture that provided your realm with some sort of bonus!

Kungfu

nukeyoo wrote: »

Yes if Cyrodiil only had objectives you could battle over and capture that provided your realm with some sort of bonus!

This. Scrolls ARE capture the flag.

And NO ONE who has real experience in large-scale battles in MMOs would want one alliance vs. one alliance. The existence of a third alliance is a natural balancer. See: DAOC for proof. See: WoW for your BG preferences.

jvargas150_ESO

paulhbowmanb14_ESO wrote: »

nukeyoo wrote: »

Yes if Cyrodiil only had objectives you could battle over and capture that provided your realm with some sort of bonus!

This. Scrolls ARE capture the flag.

And NO ONE who has real experience in large-scale battles in MMOs would want one alliance vs. one alliance. The existence of a third alliance is a natural balancer. See: DAOC for proof. See: WoW for your BG preferences.

Are you kidding me.. Scrolls is nothing like capture the flag.. How many times have you had large enough groups to go for a scroll? I have yet to experience it... SO no we DON"T have capture the flag unless you can actually do it everyday...

If I had a choice I would take all the bg modes from WOW and implement them and make ESO a great pvp game.

I hate to say, since I don't even like playing wow anymore.. but WOW pvp blows ESO out the water.. IF ESO had all the game modes that WOW had then pvp in ESO would be successful..

Never played DAOC but if ESO is based on that then DAOC must have been a game that came out way before we had such excellent and innovative game modes.. This is probably why ESO pvp is so outdated compared to more modern games..

YOUR RESPONSE, also says nothing in regard to the topic at hand..

The developers took the easy way out when creating PVP for this game.. clearly this is a pve game first and foremost.

If you couldn't tell by the lack of pvp options..

SBR_QuorTek

Capture the flag = Capture an elderscroll and run it through the map to one of your alliance keeps.

Capture/Defend a keep = PvP to one side loses, or like counterstrike first you defend hostages, then you rescue hostages.

Mass PvP = two or more groups encounter each other and fight to the bitter end, to last man/group standing

Stalking PvP = Solo or small group assassins taking out stragglers here and there unnoticed.

Personally would not say that ESO PvP is outdated, it is people getting used to small scale pvp in some of the other more dekadent MMO's out there, such as WoW/SWToR and possible others, but again personally I hate mini games.... I prefere straight out open war instead of some ranked thing... I don't like being put into a box by that.

If people is looking for Arena/Warzone PvP alike things... why in the hell play an MMO for it?, I mean there is first/third person games designed for that like Quake, Crysis, Counter-Strike and many more that does not cost a fee per month to play.... but if going to the wrong servers competetion will be ungodly good making one spend the most time dead though, guess its why people go softcore MMO PvP.

Infraction

jvargas150_ESO wrote: »

paulhbowmanb14_ESO wrote: »

nukeyoo wrote: »

Yes if Cyrodiil only had objectives you could battle over and capture that provided your realm with some sort of bonus!

This. Scrolls ARE capture the flag.

And NO ONE who has real experience in large-scale battles in MMOs would want one alliance vs. one alliance. The existence of a third alliance is a natural balancer. See: DAOC for proof. See: WoW for your BG preferences.

Are you kidding me.. Scrolls is nothing like capture the flag.. How many times have you had large enough groups to go for a scroll? I have yet to experience it... SO no we DON"T have capture the flag unless you can actually do it everyday...

If I had a choice I would take all the bg modes from WOW and implement them and make ESO a great pvp game.

I hate to say, since I don't even like playing wow anymore.. but WOW pvp blows ESO out the water.. IF ESO had all the game modes that WOW had then pvp in ESO would be successful..

Never played DAOC but if ESO is based on that then DAOC must have been a game that came out way before we had such excellent and innovative game modes.. This is probably why ESO pvp is so outdated compared to more modern games..

YOUR RESPONSE, also says nothing in regard to the topic at hand..

The developers took the easy way out when creating PVP for this game.. clearly this is a pve game first and foremost.

If you couldn't tell by the lack of pvp options..

If WoW is the pinnacle of pvp development then I'm glad they took the "lazy" way out. Their battlegrounds have so little to do with player versus player interactions it's not even funny.

Arena might be the laziest development yet with a small room with some crates or pillars and a different background.

jvargas150_ESO

Infraction wrote: »

jvargas150_ESO wrote: »

paulhbowmanb14_ESO wrote: »

nukeyoo wrote: »

Yes if Cyrodiil only had objectives you could battle over and capture that provided your realm with some sort of bonus!

This. Scrolls ARE capture the flag.

And NO ONE who has real experience in large-scale battles in MMOs would want one alliance vs. one alliance. The existence of a third alliance is a natural balancer. See: DAOC for proof. See: WoW for your BG preferences.

Are you kidding me.. Scrolls is nothing like capture the flag.. How many times have you had large enough groups to go for a scroll? I have yet to experience it... SO no we DON"T have capture the flag unless you can actually do it everyday...

If I had a choice I would take all the bg modes from WOW and implement them and make ESO a great pvp game.

I hate to say, since I don't even like playing wow anymore.. but WOW pvp blows ESO out the water.. IF ESO had all the game modes that WOW had then pvp in ESO would be successful..

Never played DAOC but if ESO is based on that then DAOC must have been a game that came out way before we had such excellent and innovative game modes.. This is probably why ESO pvp is so outdated compared to more modern games..

YOUR RESPONSE, also says nothing in regard to the topic at hand..

The developers took the easy way out when creating PVP for this game.. clearly this is a pve game first and foremost.

If you couldn't tell by the lack of pvp options..

If WoW is the pinnacle of pvp development then I'm glad they took the "lazy" way out. Their battlegrounds have so little to do with player versus player interactions it's not even funny.

Arena might be the laziest development yet with a small room with some crates or pillars and a different background.

Are you serious? Wow has so many game modes, they even have a Cyrodiil type battle ground...

Why wouldn't you want more then one option in terms of game modes?

Fanbois will be fanbois though.. I get it..

SBR_QuorTek

jvargas150_ESO wrote: »

paulhbowmanb14_ESO wrote: »

nukeyoo wrote: »

Yes if Cyrodiil only had objectives you could battle over and capture that provided your realm with some sort of bonus!

This. Scrolls ARE capture the flag.

And NO ONE who has real experience in large-scale battles in MMOs would want one alliance vs. one alliance. The existence of a third alliance is a natural balancer. See: DAOC for proof. See: WoW for your BG preferences.

Are you kidding me.. Scrolls is nothing like capture the flag.. How many times have you had large enough groups to go for a scroll? I have yet to experience it... SO no we DON"T have capture the flag unless you can actually do it everyday...

If I had a choice I would take all the bg modes from WOW and implement them and make ESO a great pvp game.

I hate to say, since I don't even like playing wow anymore.. but WOW pvp blows ESO out the water.. IF ESO had all the game modes that WOW had then pvp in ESO would be successful..

Never played DAOC but if ESO is based on that then DAOC must have been a game that came out way before we had such excellent and innovative game modes.. This is probably why ESO pvp is so outdated compared to more modern games..

YOUR RESPONSE, also says nothing in regard to the topic at hand..

The developers took the easy way out when creating PVP for this game.. clearly this is a pve game first and foremost.

If you couldn't tell by the lack of pvp options..

Maybe you should go back to an MMO that support your ways of playing it, instead of forcing your ways onto everyone else, am personally dead tired of clones and really having Tons of Fun with ESO PvP.

Dunno was with a group where we captured a scroll and ran it down.. then we ran into a group that had also captured a scroll, so we captured their scroll as well and ran both of them back to the base, but it was all done with communicating with each other.

This is all about organizing stuff.

Also how is ESO outdated? it follow The Elderscrolls way for the most part with the system they run, for both pve and well large scale battle support for pvp... it is also very very well handling all those clients at the same spot fighting, which is truely amazing, don't think I have seen ANY MMO other than EvE Online handling that rather smooth.

Also ESO is build for Elderscroll people... it is what the entire game is based on and is also where majority of the money is coming from at current point... it is also one of the reasons why I jumped from another standard MMO to ESO.... I simply got tired of the 'normal' MMOs pretty much, all same old same old.

SBR_QuorTek

jvargas150_ESO wrote: »

Are you serious? Wow has so many game modes, they even have a Cyrodiil type battle ground...

Why wouldn't you want more then one option in terms of game modes?

Fanbois will be fanbois though.. I get it..

Go back to WoW then, if it is that style or gameplay you like, it is very simple, it is so *** going to some other MMO and say hey it should be just like my previous one... why not just go back to your previous one if you don't like the system here... I do not get it at all... but honestly the system they have WoW is dekadent.

Nox_Aeterna

Balance is a ****.

It is already hard to balance the game around PvE <> PvP (one kind)

Each kind of PvP , may return different results to balance , so if they add arena , they will need to take it into account , if they add 20x20 , they will need to take it into account , if they decide to have 1x1 duels , god help them ...

That is the reason they decided to have cyrodil and focus on big battles being the "standard" PvP.

Even with only 1 kind of PvP mate , you can already see how everyone and their mother find the game unbalanced.

WoW is 10 years old , it did not start with all those PvP options you have today , they were added slowly which helps a little when it comes to this kind of thing , and they still have to keep balacing it over and over and over.

joshisanonymous

Cyrodiil is not a BG.

I for one hope to never ever see anything resembling a BG or arena in ESO. That will probably be the day I cancel. Practically every modern MMO has these options; you do not have to play ESO for this. However, I do. I've waited 10 years to see a game successfully implement PvP in the same vein as DAoC and now that it finally exists there are people protesting on these forums that BGs and arenas are the only way to go. I want a focused game, not a hodge podge of game modes from every other MMO. You can play Rift for that. I don't want it, and I don't want anything that will distract people from the existing PvP. There's already enough of a problem with peope being able to abandon campaigns for other campaigns once they start losing: BGs would only add to this issue.

I understand that games change, but I've never gone into an MMO and expected the developers to make such radically changes. Adding classes/abilites, adding zones, adding housing even, sure, but completely revamping an entire PvP system to just fit my needs? No. If a game doesn't have what I want, I don't play it. If they add it at some point, I do play it. I don't choose a game that doesn't have what I want then make post after post about how they should convert their game into this or that other game that I like.

Xsorus

jvargas150_ESO wrote: »

paulhbowmanb14_ESO wrote: »

nukeyoo wrote: »

Yes if Cyrodiil only had objectives you could battle over and capture that provided your realm with some sort of bonus!

This. Scrolls ARE capture the flag.

And NO ONE who has real experience in large-scale battles in MMOs would want one alliance vs. one alliance. The existence of a third alliance is a natural balancer. See: DAOC for proof. See: WoW for your BG preferences.

Are you kidding me.. Scrolls is nothing like capture the flag.. How many times have you had large enough groups to go for a scroll? I have yet to experience it... SO no we DON"T have capture the flag unless you can actually do it everyday...

If I had a choice I would take all the bg modes from WOW and implement them and make ESO a great pvp game.

I hate to say, since I don't even like playing wow anymore.. but WOW pvp blows ESO out the water.. IF ESO had all the game modes that WOW had then pvp in ESO would be successful..

Never played DAOC but if ESO is based on that then DAOC must have been a game that came out way before we had such excellent and innovative game modes.. This is probably why ESO pvp is so outdated compared to more modern games..

YOUR RESPONSE, also says nothing in regard to the topic at hand..

The developers took the easy way out when creating PVP for this game.. clearly this is a pve game first and foremost.

If you couldn't tell by the lack of pvp options..

The Closest thing WoW ever had to Cyrodiil is AV.. and the really hardmode AV, not the easy mode they gutted the game to, which results in everyone running past everyone else to kill the last boss because that's what rewards the most points.

Also lets talk about how bad WoW PvP was..

It was so bad, that out of every single game i've played with BG's since then (Warhammer Online/Rift/SWTOR) I've actually pvped in all the Bg's..

In WoW, it was so bad...I basically let my second computer bot my character through it. There was nothing redeeming about it...Because every Match was more about avoiding the enemy as much as possible to win the match.

jvargas150_ESO

Before this conversation continues I want to be very clear, I do like Eso and continue to recommend it. I just would like to see other game modes available so I can experience my character in the same situations and epic pvp moments I've enjoyed in other mmos... In Eso it feels like you can never really find 1v1 2v2 5v5 fights too often unless you are killing people going for sky shards.. Usually low levels. I just miss non stop combat vs favorable #s... Maybe I'm not old school enough. Either way after reading other posts I can respect more the decision of the developers to go the direction they went.. Just would be like a wish came true if we had other pvp options.

Also AV. Wsg. Ab would all be awesome with Eso graphics and our character with our unique specs.. Drool... you can try to deny this but deep inside you know I'm right if you ever played them..

Xsorus

i find 1v1 and 2v2 and 5v5 all the time

It involves me not standing near the zerg.

Also AV/WSG/Ab would never be awesome.. in any game.

WSG was boring half the time, AV was just people running past one another to kill the last boss, the only time it was ever good was at the very start when AV was first released.

and AB was never good..Because any map that requires you to camp a Flag to win the match is automatically fail.

This includes its *** half brother Civil War in SWTOR.

The only game that's really gotten Bg's right in a very long time has been Warhammer online, because it had so many, a few were bound not to suck.

SWTOR's only good map is Huttball, and for good reason..because it doesn't involve you actually camping a point.

CMz

Organize your own events; do not wait for Zeni. The Noore co-hosted a great AvAvA 5v5 match in SC last night. Started as a grudge challenge from a frustrated kid who imagined 5v5 would somehow = successful guild but the Noore (AD) leadership worked worked some great leaders from DC and EP to turn it into the first organized event in Cyrodiil. It was so successful that i anticipate those guilds to continue to expand for their members. No reason you cannot do the same with a little effort.

Lee

Bringing up WoW was counter productive to your entire thread. WoW BG's specifically AV which is more closer to Cyrodiil than the rest was anti-PvP, the best way to gain points and/or win was to avoid PvP period. If that is what you want in ESO, I don't know what to say.

If that is not enough, you're preaching the gospel of a guy who says "Group play in Cyrodiil is the same as zerging IMO" ...... Yup.

SBR_QuorTek

WoW and SWToR PvP is totally *** lol.... well in my opinion it is not even PvP, but people putting up with being put into a box pressing a button, instead of moving around for real.... this sandbox with some rules and things to react to in Cyrodiil is real pvp, you don't sit in some queu for ages, to get some action you got to actually do something about it... the liberty/freedom of setting the scene the way you want it to be or die horrible trying

The freedom is a rare token in MMO's now a day and only a couple of the MMOs out there offer it, be happy for something special, used to play EvE Online and starwars galaxies (before the NGE and way after it) for quite a bit very entertaining really and complex gameplay as well to some extend, ESO has quite the feel of that as well... a sandbox... small scale PvP turn out to be massive armies once it get interesting.

Ps.
Yes only mentioned three unique PvP MMO's but am sure there is a bunch of other good ones out there PvP wise that has some sense built into it as well, but would like PvP wise to stick to what we have now.

bloodenragedb14_ESO

a agree that there needs to be more battlegrounds. but they should all be as open as cyrodiil is, just going against diff factions, instead of all three. there are still parts fo cyrodiil that are not on the battleground map as of yet, like anvil kvatch and skingrad. these places can be used as the 1v1 battlegrounds, instead of 1v1v1

Infraction

jvargas150_ESO wrote: »

Infraction wrote: »

jvargas150_ESO wrote: »

paulhbowmanb14_ESO wrote: »

nukeyoo wrote: »

Yes if Cyrodiil only had objectives you could battle over and capture that provided your realm with some sort of bonus!

This. Scrolls ARE capture the flag.

And NO ONE who has real experience in large-scale battles in MMOs would want one alliance vs. one alliance. The existence of a third alliance is a natural balancer. See: DAOC for proof. See: WoW for your BG preferences.

Are you kidding me.. Scrolls is nothing like capture the flag.. How many times have you had large enough groups to go for a scroll? I have yet to experience it... SO no we DON"T have capture the flag unless you can actually do it everyday...

If I had a choice I would take all the bg modes from WOW and implement them and make ESO a great pvp game.

I hate to say, since I don't even like playing wow anymore.. but WOW pvp blows ESO out the water.. IF ESO had all the game modes that WOW had then pvp in ESO would be successful..

Never played DAOC but if ESO is based on that then DAOC must have been a game that came out way before we had such excellent and innovative game modes.. This is probably why ESO pvp is so outdated compared to more modern games..

YOUR RESPONSE, also says nothing in regard to the topic at hand..

The developers took the easy way out when creating PVP for this game.. clearly this is a pve game first and foremost.

If you couldn't tell by the lack of pvp options..

If WoW is the pinnacle of pvp development then I'm glad they took the "lazy" way out. Their battlegrounds have so little to do with player versus player interactions it's not even funny.

Arena might be the laziest development yet with a small room with some crates or pillars and a different background.

Are you serious? Wow has so many game modes, they even have a Cyrodiil type battle ground...

Why wouldn't you want more then one option in terms of game modes?

Fanbois will be fanbois though.. I get it..

You mean the pvp that rewards the player for pveing more than doing actual pvp? Game modes don't mean jack if the pvp is so minimal.

pronkg

jvargas150_ESO wrote: »

paulhbowmanb14_ESO wrote: »

nukeyoo wrote: »

Yes if Cyrodiil only had objectives you could battle over and capture that provided your realm with some sort of bonus!

This. Scrolls ARE capture the flag.

And NO ONE who has real experience in large-scale battles in MMOs would want one alliance vs. one alliance. The existence of a third alliance is a natural balancer. See: DAOC for proof. See: WoW for your BG preferences.

Are you kidding me.. Scrolls is nothing like capture the flag.. How many times have you had large enough groups to go for a scroll? I have yet to experience it... SO no we DON"T have capture the flag unless you can actually do it everyday...

If I had a choice I would take all the bg modes from WOW and implement them and make ESO a great pvp game.

I hate to say, since I don't even like playing wow anymore.. but WOW pvp blows ESO out the water.. IF ESO had all the game modes that WOW had then pvp in ESO would be successful..

Never played DAOC but if ESO is based on that then DAOC must have been a game that came out way before we had such excellent and innovative game modes.. This is probably why ESO pvp is so outdated compared to more modern games..

YOUR RESPONSE, also says nothing in regard to the topic at hand..

The developers took the easy way out when creating PVP for this game.. clearly this is a pve game first and foremost.

If you couldn't tell by the lack of pvp options..

I've done successful scroll runs lots and lots of times. Even as a losing party in the war.

You can do it easily with 1 or 2 groups.

How is that not capture the flag style.

What would be different in another BG


I think cyrodiil is amazing. Can only get better and better.

nukeyoo

jvargas150_ESO wrote: »

Fanbois will be fanbois though.. I get it..

jvargas150_ESO

Infraction wrote: »

jvargas150_ESO wrote: »

Infraction wrote: »

jvargas150_ESO wrote: »

paulhbowmanb14_ESO wrote: »

nukeyoo wrote: »

Yes if Cyrodiil only had objectives you could battle over and capture that provided your realm with some sort of bonus!

This. Scrolls ARE capture the flag.

And NO ONE who has real experience in large-scale battles in MMOs would want one alliance vs. one alliance. The existence of a third alliance is a natural balancer. See: DAOC for proof. See: WoW for your BG preferences.

Are you kidding me.. Scrolls is nothing like capture the flag.. How many times have you had large enough groups to go for a scroll? I have yet to experience it... SO no we DON"T have capture the flag unless you can actually do it everyday...

If I had a choice I would take all the bg modes from WOW and implement them and make ESO a great pvp game.

I hate to say, since I don't even like playing wow anymore.. but WOW pvp blows ESO out the water.. IF ESO had all the game modes that WOW had then pvp in ESO would be successful..

Never played DAOC but if ESO is based on that then DAOC must have been a game that came out way before we had such excellent and innovative game modes.. This is probably why ESO pvp is so outdated compared to more modern games..

YOUR RESPONSE, also says nothing in regard to the topic at hand..

The developers took the easy way out when creating PVP for this game.. clearly this is a pve game first and foremost.

If you couldn't tell by the lack of pvp options..

If WoW is the pinnacle of pvp development then I'm glad they took the "lazy" way out. Their battlegrounds have so little to do with player versus player interactions it's not even funny.

Arena might be the laziest development yet with a small room with some crates or pillars and a different background.

Are you serious? Wow has so many game modes, they even have a Cyrodiil type battle ground...

Why wouldn't you want more then one option in terms of game modes?

Fanbois will be fanbois though.. I get it..

You mean the pvp that rewards the player for pveing more than doing actual pvp? Game modes don't mean jack if the pvp is so minimal.

You mean the resources in Eso fighting pve npcs to take over a resource?

Also not sure you guys are being open minded to consider that other game modes are fun... In fact I think you know they might be more fun then Cyrodiil so you are afraid people will choose them and leave your precious RvR deserted once they are added.

Think about it your own post argue that BGs would remove players from Cyrodiil meaning those BG ARE what people want to play... sTOp trying to force us to play a single pvp mode if the developers in other game are able to add them not sure what's the argument of not allowing them in this game.. It takes nothing away from Cyrodiil besides the players that Don't enjoy it so stop *** blocking other peoples fun... Ur acting like the guy in the party no one wants to be around...

SBR_QuorTek

jvargas150_ESO wrote: »

Infraction wrote: »

jvargas150_ESO wrote: »

Infraction wrote: »

jvargas150_ESO wrote: »

paulhbowmanb14_ESO wrote: »

nukeyoo wrote: »

Yes if Cyrodiil only had objectives you could battle over and capture that provided your realm with some sort of bonus!

This. Scrolls ARE capture the flag.

And NO ONE who has real experience in large-scale battles in MMOs would want one alliance vs. one alliance. The existence of a third alliance is a natural balancer. See: DAOC for proof. See: WoW for your BG preferences.

Are you kidding me.. Scrolls is nothing like capture the flag.. How many times have you had large enough groups to go for a scroll? I have yet to experience it... SO no we DON"T have capture the flag unless you can actually do it everyday...

If I had a choice I would take all the bg modes from WOW and implement them and make ESO a great pvp game.

I hate to say, since I don't even like playing wow anymore.. but WOW pvp blows ESO out the water.. IF ESO had all the game modes that WOW had then pvp in ESO would be successful..

Never played DAOC but if ESO is based on that then DAOC must have been a game that came out way before we had such excellent and innovative game modes.. This is probably why ESO pvp is so outdated compared to more modern games..

YOUR RESPONSE, also says nothing in regard to the topic at hand..

The developers took the easy way out when creating PVP for this game.. clearly this is a pve game first and foremost.

If you couldn't tell by the lack of pvp options..

If WoW is the pinnacle of pvp development then I'm glad they took the "lazy" way out. Their battlegrounds have so little to do with player versus player interactions it's not even funny.

Arena might be the laziest development yet with a small room with some crates or pillars and a different background.

Are you serious? Wow has so many game modes, they even have a Cyrodiil type battle ground...

Why wouldn't you want more then one option in terms of game modes?

Fanbois will be fanbois though.. I get it..

You mean the pvp that rewards the player for pveing more than doing actual pvp? Game modes don't mean jack if the pvp is so minimal.

You mean the resources in Eso fighting pve npcs to take over a resource?

Also not sure you guys are being open minded to consider that other game modes are fun... In fact I think you know they might be more fun then Cyrodiil so you are afraid people will choose them and leave your precious RvR deserted once they are added.

Think about it your own post argue that BGs would remove players from Cyrodiil meaning those BG ARE what people want to play... sTOp trying to force us to play a single pvp mode if the developers in other game are able to add them not sure what's the argument of not allowing them in this game.. It takes nothing away from Cyrodiil besides the players that Don't enjoy it so stop *** blocking other peoples fun... Ur acting like the guy in the party no one wants to be around...

Cyrodiil is Elderscrolls... it cannot get more onto the core... if they are going to add something to cyrodiil it would be the other regions and it all sticking in under the exact same gigantic map just 4-5 times more huge than what it is now.

Add on to the current system and we will get alot of fun in it... spreading out to more 'modes' that we already have in one campaign having way many more seperate things going on just would make no point at all.

Maybe you should go back to WoW, WoW Fanboy

PS.
Often at resources in ESO you do encounter Enemies... do we run past them to the mobs or fight them?... You solve that riddle, but can only say they are gonna be beaten down before or at the same time resource is taken, unless they fled into the tower, then players later in that scenario.