Bugged Silver Leash, and the reason it's broken!

dsalter

turns out, the reason it's pull ability doesnt work is when the enemy blocks the projectile or the projectile stuns them for being vamp/WW, it triggers the whirlwind which is Crowd Control immunity. the pull is considered a Crowd Control so it wont apply but it will still use up the stamina for pulling them and do the animation with no pull done. tested it most of last night

Comaetilico

that is actualy not a bug... but a mechanic... you may not be favorable to it (especialy the fact that it actualy does not work against vampire/WW even if it should be MORE USEFULL against them...) but it still don't make it a bug ^^

it just follow the normal rules for CC (since pull is a CC) it get nullified when blocked and player get immunity to hit for 5 second after soffering other CC... nothing special or bugged on this ^^

in PvE it work fine since mob don't get the 5 second immunity (they either suffer every CC or are totally imune to them) and only a little minorance of mob ever block an hit (and those are tank so they will come in melee with you without the need for you to pull them...)

dsalter

Comaetilico wrote: »

that is actualy not a bug... but a mechanic... you may not be favorable to it (especialy the fact that it actualy does not work against vampire/WW even if it should be MORE USEFULL against them...) but it still don't make it a bug ^^

it just follow the normal rules for CC (since pull is a CC) it get nullified when blocked and player get immunity to hit for 5 second after soffering other CC... nothing special or bugged on this ^^

in PvE it work fine since mob don't get the 5 second immunity (they either suffer every CC or are totally imune to them) and only a little minorance of mob ever block an hit (and those are tank so they will come in melee with you without the need for you to pull them...)

but then morphing leash is nearly useless.

dsalter

managed to get it to work once. worst accident ever as i pulled a powerhouse DK up into my face on our keep roof alone, destroyed me then allies turned up and destroyed him, but thing is, it must have bugged since he blocked the bolt but it let me leash.

tho i had a good giggle seeing the guy fly toward me at stupid speed

Comaetilico

dsalter wrote: »

Comaetilico wrote: »

that is actualy not a bug... but a mechanic... you may not be favorable to it (especialy the fact that it actualy does not work against vampire/WW even if it should be MORE USEFULL against them...) but it still don't make it a bug ^^

it just follow the normal rules for CC (since pull is a CC) it get nullified when blocked and player get immunity to hit for 5 second after soffering other CC... nothing special or bugged on this ^^

in PvE it work fine since mob don't get the 5 second immunity (they either suffer every CC or are totally imune to them) and only a little minorance of mob ever block an hit (and those are tank so they will come in melee with you without the need for you to pull them...)

but then morphing leash is nearly useless.

it is only uselss while in PvP and against vampire/WW... against any other target and against every target in PvE it work just fine

Gisgo

So a skill that is supposed to pull the enemy to you but its not pulling anyone is a "mechanic"?

Ahem... no?

I want to pull vamps off the walls.
No, i demand to pull vamps off the walls.

dsalter

Comaetilico wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Comaetilico wrote: »

that is actualy not a bug... but a mechanic... you may not be favorable to it (especialy the fact that it actualy does not work against vampire/WW even if it should be MORE USEFULL against them...) but it still don't make it a bug ^^

it just follow the normal rules for CC (since pull is a CC) it get nullified when blocked and player get immunity to hit for 5 second after soffering other CC... nothing special or bugged on this ^^

in PvE it work fine since mob don't get the 5 second immunity (they either suffer every CC or are totally imune to them) and only a little minorance of mob ever block an hit (and those are tank so they will come in melee with you without the need for you to pull them...)

but then morphing leash is nearly useless.

it is only uselss while in PvP and against vampire/WW... against any other target and against every target in PvE it work just fine

nearly every skill and morph in the game has double uses. PvP and PvE (some better then others) now if leash is useless. it's one of the first skills to be one sided. without stating "does not work on players" which i accidently proven it does if you somehow get lucky and the pull procs even when blocked
which btw was an awesome yet horrific "oh shiii--" moment

Comaetilico

dsalter wrote: »

Comaetilico wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

Comaetilico wrote: »

that is actualy not a bug... but a mechanic... you may not be favorable to it (especialy the fact that it actualy does not work against vampire/WW even if it should be MORE USEFULL against them...) but it still don't make it a bug ^^

it just follow the normal rules for CC (since pull is a CC) it get nullified when blocked and player get immunity to hit for 5 second after soffering other CC... nothing special or bugged on this ^^

in PvE it work fine since mob don't get the 5 second immunity (they either suffer every CC or are totally imune to them) and only a little minorance of mob ever block an hit (and those are tank so they will come in melee with you without the need for you to pull them...)

but then morphing leash is nearly useless.

it is only uselss while in PvP and against vampire/WW... against any other target and against every target in PvE it work just fine

nearly every skill and morph in the game has double uses. PvP and PvE (some better then others) now if leash is useless. it's one of the first skills to be one sided. without stating "does not work on players" which i accidently proven it does if you somehow get lucky and the pull procs even when blocked
which btw was an awesome yet horrific "oh shiii--" moment

mate it's not that it doesn't work on player... it doesn't work on WW/vampire player due to game mechanics... they become immune to the pull because they were just knocked down... the same exact thing apply to every other CC if the target got CCed a few sec before... the only thing strange with this skill is the fact that it apply 2 cc so obviously only one of them will take effect while the other fall under the immunity generated by the first... against all other player it work just fine... and what counter it is exactly what counter any other CC that is block and immunity...


PS: if you really think that any skill has the same usefulness in both PvE and PvP you really should go and take a second look at many skill... there is plenty of ability that are on the edge of being OP in PvP and on the edge of being useless in pve and the other way around ^^' that is normal...

Gisgo

Silver Leash
- On second activation pulls the target towards you (only works on undead, daedra and werewolves with passive)

If it doesnt do what it says, its either broken or the tooltip is wrong.
They should add a "due to game mechanics, it is useless in pvp" line to it.

Thechemicals

dsalter wrote: »

Comaetilico wrote: »

that is actualy not a bug... but a mechanic... you may not be favorable to it (especialy the fact that it actualy does not work against vampire/WW even if it should be MORE USEFULL against them...) but it still don't make it a bug ^^

it just follow the normal rules for CC (since pull is a CC) it get nullified when blocked and player get immunity to hit for 5 second after soffering other CC... nothing special or bugged on this ^^

in PvE it work fine since mob don't get the 5 second immunity (they either suffer every CC or are totally imune to them) and only a little minorance of mob ever block an hit (and those are tank so they will come in melee with you without the need for you to pull them...)

but then morphing leash is nearly useless.

Did you forget the game has a pve side? The morph isnt useless in pvp either. Just play until you realize its uses, then come back and thank us.

dsalter

Gisgo wrote: »

Silver Leash
- On second activation pulls the target towards you (only works on undead, daedra and werewolves with passive)

If it doesnt do what it says, its either broken or the tooltip is wrong.
They should add a "due to game mechanics, it is useless in pvp" line to it.

actually it applies to normal players as well as those targets

Comaetilico

Gisgo wrote: »

Silver Leash
- On second activation pulls the target towards you (only works on undead, daedra and werewolves with passive)

If it doesnt do what it says, its either broken or the tooltip is wrong.
They should add a "due to game mechanics, it is useless in pvp" line to it.

1) it does exaclty what it says... and just like the pull fomr DK and every other hard CC in the game it does not work on target that are immune to CC...

2) it is far from useless in PvP... there is plenty of people that cry for the DK pulling them down from walls... while this ability is not as performing as the DK one (you need 2 cast instead of a single one) it deal more damage and is avaible to every class... so it is actualy a good skill... a situational one... but if you take a look at all the skill in the game you will find that there is plenty of situational skill and the fact that the game only allow for 5 skill per bar makes the choice of wich situational skill you have in your bar have it's own weight ^^

intrimazz

Gisgo wrote: »

Silver Leash
- On second activation pulls the target towards you (only works on undead, daedra and werewolves with passive)

If it doesnt do what it says, its either broken or the tooltip is wrong.
They should add a "due to game mechanics, it is useless in pvp" line to it.

it is most def broken - I've used this morph as soon as I could morph it and it worked great, until patch. It does not do what the tooltip description says it should do - regardless of pvp or pve - i sent in a bug report. I use hidden blade now but I want silver leash IV fixed.