don't play in a zerg (stop saying it)

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

Saying don't play in a zerg because a player prefers small encounter is like telling a country that prefers swords to not use guns. Then that country fights another country that really doesn't care and they shoot you with their guns.

You understand why that logic isn't appealing to people now?

Basically for people to enjoy small encounters that have to gimp themselves and acknowledge they won't be able to do all the things that a mass of people can do.

8 skilled players vs 25 skilled players. (Lol AoE cap)

Guess who losses.

casselna_ESO

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Saying don't play in a zerg because a player prefers small encounter is like telling a country that prefers swords to not use guns. Then that country fights another country that really doesn't care and they shoot you with their guns.

You understand why that logic isn't appealing to people now?

Basically for people to enjoy small encounters that have to gimp themselves and acknowledge they won't be able to do all the things that a mass of people can do.

8 skilled players vs 25 skilled players. (Lol AoE cap)

Guess who losses.

You miss the point.

Team A always runs in groups of 25.
Team B can maybe muster 8 players.
Team C can *maybe* rally 4.

Team A always wins, and laughs at their *skill* at always outnumbering Team B and C.

Team B and C quit in disgust and now Team A has noone to fight.

See the *greater* picture?

If you're winning, sure, *your* logic makes sense. If you are not, then you are hindering the will for others to play and oppose you and MAKE STUFF FUN!

Grimnix173

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Saying don't play in a zerg because a player prefers small encounter is like telling a country that prefers swords to not use guns. Then that country fights another country that really doesn't care and they shoot you with their guns.

You understand why that logic isn't appealing to people now?

Basically for people to enjoy small encounters that have to gimp themselves and acknowledge they won't be able to do all the things that a mass of people can do.

8 skilled players vs 25 skilled players. (Lol AoE cap)

Guess who losses.

The main problem with small scale pvp in this game is that you have to hunt it down. You are forced into zerg v zerg unless you'd like to spend 40 minutes randomly looking for another small group. Or go gank reinforcements this leads to a zerg building up and just wiping you out with nothing but numbers.

I think i'll be unsubbing at the end of this month. I tried to like the pvp that ESO had to offer. I just log off wanting a real pvp experience, Cyrodiil is not fun. its pointless.

xDonMega

That's how small man has always worked.... If you need someone to hold your hand and set up fights for you than this isn't for you.

You don't want real pvp if you want even odds and easy fights.

Rayadrel

So "real pvp" is steamrolling over your opponent with huge numbers?
That's not pvp at all. That's balling. It's mindless, irritating and not fun.

And please stop comparing videogame pvp to real wars. Real wars are fought over land, resources and ideology. Videogame wars are fought FOR FUN.

If I'm not having fun then I'm not going to bloody participate now am I? Oh I'm sure some of you do. And you'll turn pvp into yet another droning grind that alienates the rest of us. Well done.

Grimnix173

xDonMega wrote: »

That's how small man has always worked.... If you need someone to hold your hand and set up fights for you than this isn't for you.

You don't want real pvp if you want even odds and easy fights.

This Zerg v Zerg player V wall thing isn't for me you're right brother. I don't need someone to hold my hand I need someone to give me 2014 mmo quality pvp options. Thats what I need.

aeroch

It would be nice if there was less emphasis on keep swapping and more objectives for smaller groups or individuals in order to create small-scale fights. Cyrodiil is a really cool zone that's largely uninhabited by players because the focus is running from keep to keep. It's incredibly repetitive and boring, unfortunately.

Hopefully the Imperial City will add more content in that regard but it would be great if the designers could turn Cyrodiil into a legitimate PvP zone rather than a series of routes between Keep A and Keep B where 99% of PvP occurs. There are tons of existing ruins, locales, quest locations, etc., it would be amazing if they could find a way to turn those into PvP hotspots.

beravinprb19_ESO

While I do agree that smaller groups need objectives too, there is nothing to stop a zerg from also taking those while they roll over everything else. GW2 had small objectives too, but it just ended up being another source of free points for the angry mobs.

Infraction

With oil all is possible.

Mendoze

Uhm, I don't really understand the point of this post. 8 skilled people vs. 25 skilled people??? Of course those 8 people lose 99% of the time, because this is not 300 the movie...but 8 skilled people vs. 25 people pug, you still have pretty good chance I'd say.

Also you have to understand that most people don't have a pre-made guild raids/groups they can join, so they do not prefer to travel alone, mainly because of hunting packs like yours. It's just as frustrating to get ganked solo vs 8 people as it's 8 vs 25.

Nidwin

There's a time for small scale, mid scale and large scale fight. That's the beauty of RvR.

For me there's nothing more exciting than when the time to pack up arrives and prepare ourselves for the big clash.

Zerg vs Zerg at keep FTW!

Izatar

This game is set up to appeal to sadists, masochists, and psychopaths.
Sadists will like dominating the smaller groups. Masochists will like getting dominated by the sadists big groups. Psychopaths take no account of other people's feelings.
And yes, if you are the type that likes to fight on uneven teams, you ARE a sadomasochist. Thats fine, but most people will do not enjoy such inequities.

Lowbei

actually we are trying to do you a favor, in teaching you to be better players rather than mindless free-rps zergers.

ill wipe your 24man with my 6man and be in the top 100 while only playing 10hrs a week, because i dont zerg.

stop zerging.

Nox_Aeterna

I enjoy zerg fights , always have , first time i saw one was when i was lvling a paladin in WoW and decided to PvP in a BG , 40x40 , i remember this one time because people runned in a stalemate over a bridge and atks were just flying everywhere , it was epic.

So i , i always follow the zergs , because i really love zerg x zerg fights.

Still i can understand the small groups problem , they atm should really stand pretty much no chance against a zerg.

But maybe zen could add some smart mechanics , like traps and other similar stuff , that allowed small groups to prepare the terrain for a fight before hand and thus make up for numbers.

Ofc , i understand it will take a lot to balance this , since just like raids and most other PvE content , the big group can do what the smaller group can also.

Which means they must make sure such mechanics would not make the rest of the PvP unbalanced while used by big groups.

Lowbei

the game is balanced fine, my 6man wipes 30+man zergs all the time.

no balance adjustments needed, thanks

beravinprb19_ESO

Lowbei wrote: »

the game is balanced fine, my 6man wipes 30+man zergs all the time.

no balance adjustments needed, thanks

I'm sure the 30 man group you just wiped finds it perfectly balanced. Plenty of people enjoy the game, and that is fine, but it would be foolish to claim it needs no changes.

Grimnix173

Lowbei wrote: »

the game is balanced fine, my 6man wipes 30+man zergs all the time.

no balance adjustments needed, thanks

This guy is a such a half tard. He thinks since his group aoe'd a zerg that the games pvp is perfect and nothing should change.

You're such a scrub I'd like to smash you 1v1 in pvp.

Get at me in game bro.

I wont even use standard

xDonMega

GET AT ME IN GAME BRO!

I'LL WRECK YOUR FACE AND SLAP YOUR MOM!

I WON'T EVEN USE MY PIMP HAND!

xDonMega

Lowbei wrote: »

actually we are trying to do you a favor, in teaching you to be better players rather than mindless free-rps zergers.

ill wipe your 24man with my 6man and be in the top 100 while only playing 10hrs a week, because i dont zerg.

stop zerging.

Teach us your ways great wizard!

But how would you be in the top 100 while only playing 10hrs a week if there isn't a zerg for you to kill?

Keep zerging.

Lowbei

lol grimnix is so mad about getting rolled. ty for the rps

and yes, i wouldnt be top 100 with 10 hrs a week if zergs didnt exist, but i would rather that we have a few other decent smallmans to fight, for fun and competition, as there doesnt seem to be many of em

JosephChip

"Urr durr stop zerging urr durr".
Let people play as they want to play. If you don't like being in a group with some numbers it's not anyone's fault. What you call "zerg" is commonly known as an "army" in military terms. Raising a numerous army is the most basic, effective and common tactic in the history of everything that ever involved killing your enemy. I can just picture Leonidas calling out Xerxes "Yo noob stop zerging you skilless scrub".
Also it's funny how, as soon as a group counts a lot of players, it is automatically assumed they are mindless, unskilled zergers. Maybe they are even better than you and decided to combine skill AND numbers to win? Crazy I know. You don't HAVE to be mad just because more people that you could take on killed you. Players that expect to always play on an even field no matter what in any game and possible circumnstance are just deluding themselves. And I bet they would manage to complain even in that case. I have seen this idiotic behaviour in small scale pvp too. "2vs1 noob fight me alone". Too many times.
Learn to think in the bigger picture.
"Zerg" is just a meaningless term invented for derogatory purposes by people who were too butthurt to think of doing anything else. You have the same possibilities your enemies have. Get more people, organize better, make use of tactics, sinergies, coordination. If it really is a mindless zerg it won't take much to destroy it. Oh no, instead their brilliant mind comes up with "plz enemy split up so we can kill you more easily, k thx".

No comment for people who pretend to be better because they are fewer. "teaching you to be better players". The arrogance.

Lowbei

ill put it like this... i make probably 10x more alliance points per hour than a zerger. yet currently those ranks do nothing, so we are happy to try to help you bads step your game up, so that we have some nice group v group fights later, as we enjoy competition more than farming noobs.

so stop zerging

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

Mendoze wrote: »

Uhm, I don't really understand the point of this post. 8 skilled people vs. 25 skilled people??? Of course those 8 people lose 99% of the time, because this is not 300 the movie...but 8 skilled people vs. 25 people pug, you still have pretty good chance I'd say.

Also you have to understand that most people don't have a pre-made guild raids/groups they can join, so they do not prefer to travel alone, mainly because of hunting packs like yours. It's just as frustrating to get ganked solo vs 8 people as it's 8 vs 25.

it is basically like this.

A game has 40 man raids

People want to do 15 man raids.

40 man raids fanboys tell those players to get over it and if they don't like it quit the game.

NordJitsu

"Zerg" isn't just about size. Its about the mindless nature of it.

50 people in a team speak server with multiple coordinating groups isn't a zerg. Its an army.

50 people that aren't in voice chat is a zerg.

Lowbei

they are all free rps to me. no quality players run with that many.

Talcyndl

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

8 skilled players vs 25 skilled players. (Lol AoE cap)

Guess who losses.

The group

(1) not coordinating on TS
(2) the group who got surprised by the stealth group
(3) the group who just got oiled poured on them as they rounded a wall.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

dbetterton_ESO wrote: »

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

8 skilled players vs 25 skilled players. (Lol AoE cap)

Guess who losses.

The group

(1) not coordinating on TS
(2) the group who got surprised by the stealth group
(3) the group who just got oiled poured on them as they rounded a wall.

If one got surprised by the other the bigger group would still be able to pump out more AoE damage

nukeyoo

NordJitsu wrote: »

"Zerg" isn't just about size. Its about the mindless nature of it.

50 people in a team speak server with multiple coordinating groups isn't a zerg. Its an army.

50 people that aren't in voice chat is a zerg.

No pretty sure that's still a zerg... better coordinated but zerg nonetheless.

Quote taken from Tamriel Foundry forum referring to "zerg"s definition ...

blackweb wrote:

Actually, by definition the term does mean “power through numbers”. The term “Zerg” is derived from the Zerg race in Starcraft, which one of their primary characteristics was that they most often attacked in much larger numbers, though comparatively weaker than their counterparts, and would win engagements purely through their overwhelming numbers (though Starcraft 2 “Zerg” units are comparably more balanced at the higher tiers).

Igolbug

Infraction wrote: »

With oil all is possible.

Indeed.

Lowbei wrote: »

the game is balanced fine, my 6man wipes 30+man zergs all the time.

no balance adjustments needed, thanks

You gotta run with 6? *** zerger, duo all day every day get on my level.

popatiberiuoneb18_ESO

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Saying don't play in a zerg because a player prefers small encounter is like telling a country that prefers swords to not use guns. Then that country fights another country that really doesn't care and they shoot you with their guns.

You understand why that logic isn't appealing to people now?

Basically for people to enjoy small encounters that have to gimp themselves and acknowledge they won't be able to do all the things that a mass of people can do.

8 skilled players vs 25 skilled players. (Lol AoE cap)

Guess who losses.

I guess having fun would be a valid argument..unless you enjoy lagging to death/facerolling skills and hoping they land...Anyhow noone is telling you not to play in a zerg, play all you want, what is the purpose if this thread again?

Lowbei

Igolbug wrote: »

Infraction wrote: »

With oil all is possible.

Indeed.

Lowbei wrote: »

the game is balanced fine, my 6man wipes 30+man zergs all the time.

no balance adjustments needed, thanks

You gotta run with 6? *** zerger, duo all day every day get on my level.

its a group based game, and you cant wipe zergs with 2 the way we can with 6, no offense.

6 = zerg? bwahahaha

get enough friends to compete then talk to me