Lower levels CAN be effective

trahe

I'll say it again, lower levels CAN be effective. If you think you cannot PVP at lower levels you are missing out on some fun. Yes, higher leveled characters can and will stomp you when they can, but if you expect it, learn from it, and make adjustments you can be effective and useful.

Use your PVP tutorial points and a few hundred spare coins and buy some siege engines.

• Trebuchets are big and slow but you can set them up away from the edge of a castle's battlement and get a great birds eye view of where to place your shot while being protected to some extent from bad guys who cannot see you very well.
• Catapults can fire the instant they are set up. Use that to your advantage. See a group of bad guys fighting one or two people on your side, drop a catapult and set the bad guys on fire. Keep firing it if you feel safe, or pick it up and move around looking for another opportunity. They fire fast but experienced players learn to get out of the red circle of your area affect... so plan on that. Shoot where they are going. Shoot when they are distracted. Shoot inside the door your side just busted down to give your side a relatively clear path to enter the building.
• Oil can be used on flat ground or from a higher position which gives you a good bit of protection. Either way, it is a slow weapon to engage but the results are great if you can live long enough to use it several times.

If you are a melee character my only advice is to not try to solo. Find a group and stick to them like glue. Become a pack member and run with the pack. You are not a leech when you attack the target everyone else is attacking. You are part of the cure to eradicate a virus. (Yes, cliche, I know)

If you are a ranged character, watch the experienced ranged characters and do what they do. You are the closer of a fight. When melee's are pounding on each other you are there to drop extra damage onto the bad guy to make the fight shorter, so the melees can find other victims.

If a healer, keep moving around but stay in the pack. Do not stand still. You need to get good at casting your area affect healing spell as you move. The bad guys are going to target you and if you stay in one place it will help them. Have fun outracing those red circles of death from the enemy defender's siege weapons. Keep in mind that the people manning your side's siege weapons need your healing. They are getting burned to death... they need your healing.

I play a Sorcerer. I make a couple of levels then go PVP as a reward to myself. I started PVP slowly but have learned a lot by watching everyone else.

Destruction staff: curse, area affect root, lightning bolt, area affect fire, electrical armor with ultimate - big lightning dude.

Restoration staff: singe target debuf, single target fighter's guild silver bolt, area affect health regen, multiple target health regen... and something else, with ultimate - big lightning dude.

What can I do as a low leveled PVP player? Well, I sit around and wait for people to attack the keep I chose, armed with every type of siege weapon they sell. I also watch for large groups and follow them where I partake in the glory of capturing mines, farms, castles and scrolls... and I have a blast doing it.

Just last night I...:

1. Learned not to stand at the edge of a battlement above the enemies heads. A Dragonknight speared me and pulled me to the ground where she and her friends beat me to death.
2. Disrupted a gank squad beating on some guys by dropping some flaming arrows on their butts! That's right!! I have a ballista and I'm not afraid to use it!!
3. Hunted stealthy bad guys with my glowing ion stone of see stuff. (with a lot of people of course)
4. Stamped DEAD on people with my crack-a-doom lighting bolt. That's right higher level Sorcerer dude... I have a LOT of magic resistance. hahahaha Eat dirt!
5. Giggled hysterically as my ultimate stone lighting dude made a bunch of bad guys scurry for cover like cockroaches
6. Helped escort a skeletal scroll carrier who ran into an ambush of bad guys. I jumped off my horse in the middle of them and started spamming my area affect root until my magika was gone and I was dead. But guess what, the scroll carrier escaped!
7. I dropped oil on invaders breaking down the inner door of a keep. They had to stop using their ram and break the door down with siege equipment from a safer distance. This normally would have given the good guys a chance to arrive and disrupt their attack but... there was no cavalry at that time.
8. I successfully turned and looked at the stealthy people who attacked and killed me. When I first started I couldn't even turn around. Hell, I even hit a button or two before I died. Now that's progress!
9. Have come to love healing. There's nothing better than healing someone on my side that was going down fast to an attacker but with extra health was able to defeat their attacker. I even got a whisper saying thank you!!!

So, final words... expect to die. Expect to make the trek back to the battle over and over. You are a low level and the veteran ranks can eat you for lunch. BUT, that doesn't stop you from participating, adding to the battle, and most definitely having fun. You WILL have fun, I promise. Watch the pro's at work. Copy their tactics and move with them. Feed your damn horse some apples!! You need a fast horse. Come have fun!

xDonMega

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skarvika

Well nah, not really. As a vet I'm gonna say right now from my own experience and from what I've seen from other people; if you're a lower level, there's virtually no chance in hell you're going to rack up the AP needed to buy all those siege weapons. You'll be able to kill virtually no vets (which most pvpers are now) and will have a very slim chance of taking any resources or keeps without dying.

frwinters_ESO

skarvika wrote: »

Well nah, not really. As a vet I'm gonna say right now from my own experience and from what I've seen from other people; if you're a lower level, there's virtually no chance in hell you're going to rack up the AP needed to buy all those siege weapons. You'll be able to kill virtually no vets (which most pvpers are now) and will have a very slim chance of taking any resources or keeps without dying.

not true at all. If your with a group you get tons of AP for assisting with kills. You will have enough AP if yoru level 10 just starting in the group in a few hours tro buy multiple pieces of siege. Besides you can buy a basic fire treb and a fire ballistea for gold to start with.

trahe

xDonMega wrote: »

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I thought walls of text didn't have paragraphs. LoL.

skarvika

I guess if you're leeching you can get AP, but the groups I've run with typically never invite any non vets for this reason. Not sure how typical this is, but for DC Goldbrand, we don't see many people under 50 in groups and I certainly felt so useless that I abandoned pvp until I was vet.

trahe

skarvika wrote: »

Well nah, not really. As a vet I'm gonna say right now from my own experience and from what I've seen from other people; if you're a lower level, there's virtually no chance in hell you're going to rack up the AP needed to buy all those siege weapons. You'll be able to kill virtually no vets (which most pvpers are now) and will have a very slim chance of taking any resources or keeps without dying.

I think you don't buy siege equipment. Just completing the tutorial gives you enough to buy trebuchet or catapult. The gold cost is pretty small compared to the AP but I haven't bought anything with gold after my second PVP visit.

Each "good" night I earn about 8k AP and that's without grouping...ever. I do not want to take up a valuable group spot but I do try to run with the pack.

Even without grouping I get points by simply healing or bombing people with siege engines.... or attacking them directly.

Oh, and if you doubt that let me add, I die ... often.

driosketch

Low level, do the tutorial. That's free AP and skill points to be had. Buy a fire ballista or treb with that.

Get a horse if you can and the skill rapid maneuvers. You're going to die a lot. Using the two together will help. Just stay away from the corners of the keep when you approach the siege line. Mages will knock you off and kill you making you run back again.

Join a group. Lots of groups will take anyone. The only time you should have trouble joing a group is when hardly anyone is on. Also, find out where every one is fighting and head there to join in. Remember to the player bounty mission. Grab the others if it looks like the battle will be heading in that direction.

Save your stamina to block and dodge role out of danger. And get the heck out red AoE shadows that aren't blood fountain. Until you get weapon swap, stick to range attacks and stay back. When attacking with melee, never be the first to rush in. Follow the group in or wait for the enemies to come to you.

Treat your siege equipment as a valuable commodity. If things get hot, pack it up. Don't die and leave it out. It may not be there when you get back.

Healer, if you're a templar go with the restoration staff's first skill as your main heal "grand healing". Save the the first templar heal skill for emergencies because it costs more magicka.

Play peak hours on busy servers. Those are going to be the most fun for low level players because you're going to see a lot of action, and earn a ton of rewards.

ChairGraveyard

skarvika wrote: »

Well nah, not really. As a vet I'm gonna say right now from my own experience and from what I've seen from other people; if you're a lower level, there's virtually no chance in hell you're going to rack up the AP needed to buy all those siege weapons. You'll be able to kill virtually no vets (which most pvpers are now) and will have a very slim chance of taking any resources or keeps without dying.

I made about 50k AP in one night on a level 30 by taking objectives and defending keeps. It's not that hard.

I was in my own group of non-VR players (not a huge group either).

TheGrandAlliance

BTW your post is not vaild.

Low lvls are usless vs VR10s because of effective immunity to seige weapons. Even multiple seige weapons.

If you are killing (or even causing damage) to VR5+s... they simply don't know how to play their class effectively. Low lvls have 0% chance vs a VR player that knows what they are doing.


This thread is misleading.

reggielee

loved this, if you go into pvp with the right mindstate it can be fun fun fun

kudos to you

cortechsnub18_ESO

Yes, I was wondering. Last time I tried a meatbag catapult, and it was doing very low damage, and I didn't see any shields up at the time.

Rotherhans

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

Low lvls are usless vs VR10s because of effective immunity to seige weapons. Even multiple seige weapons.

Could you, or somebody else, please elaborate what´s suddenly making VRs immune to one of the main anti-personnel devices in PvP?!?

I mean WTF..
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PF1901

reggielee wrote: »

loved this, if you go into pvp with the right mindstate it can be fun fun fun

kudos to you

This. Having fun as well - at least for now - with a level 11 char. If the game allows for >= level 10 to join then why not do so. Certainly not going to wait until I'm a veteran. Know your limits - there are some good pieces of advice given in this thread - and have fun.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

Low levels aren't useless if they want to PvWall and avoid PvP at all cost.
Ahhh ok got yah.

GeeYouWhy

Being and effective and pecking away at VR players is not the same thing.

TheGrandAlliance

Rotherhans wrote: »

Could you, or somebody else, please elaborate what´s suddenly making VRs immune to one of the main anti-personnel devices in PvP?!?

I mean WTF..
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Do some PvP on a "real" server and you will see for yourself. Me like to use seige weapons... they are me favorite. However vs an effective VR10 they will not take any damage. Their defense, spell resistance (vs fire) and skills such as "purge" allow them to basically take 0 damage. Furthermore if in a group they can stack healing skills that also shield vs incomming damage.

trahe

I saw someone advertise in chat for a group invite of V10's. That person was heckled a little bit because V10's are NOT the only players in PVP.

If you say I have never gotten a killing blow on a V10, I'm not going to argue with you. But based on your logic I kill 20 non-V10's a night. That's a lot of non-V10's don't you think?

V10's are not a majority are they? My addons show me level and there are many squishy non-v10's in PVP.

We CAN be effective.

Tannakaobi

I disagree, low level melee can not be effective with the one exception of siege weapons, but then the effectiveness of enjoyment is somewhat lost.

Then there is the walking.... as you will die. So you will need to walk.... a lot!

That's not to say it's not still fun. Better XP and I'd be happy enough.