Purge vs Talon Spam

Veakoth

So pretty much every man and his dog are Dk talon spammers now days and i was wondering how come a spell as expensive as purge is inept compared to talon spammers
Sure it removes Debuff's for your team but the enemy has 4 dk's it's reapplied so fast you don't even see the effect for it dissapear, or even twitch as it is reapplied. That's with two dedicated healer/supports using nothing but purge and that's also in an ideal situation.
Purge's 3's 50% CC reduction needs to be a 3's immunity.

Give Dk's a reason to think before they spam out all their magicka.

I'd like to know people's opinions on this.

popatiberiuoneb18_ESO

Purge is preaty useless if you have a templar with clense in the group. Even with the spell reduction morph it costs its weight in magika, very situational and highly advice against it unless u're in a huge group and got no better utility to bring to the table.

Veakoth

Purge is a lot better than cleanse because it doesn't require your CC'd team to have to click a synergy to remove a single instantly applied debuff. Purge is not useless it is essential and used in every situation.

realcaged_ESO

Learn to position, break cc, apply cc and stop stacking. Talons is far from OP, it simply takes advantage of bad players. DK is slow and without movement mods. The DK is tied directly to PBAOE for functionality. The charge spec DK may cast standard and talons but pose less threat do to weak spell damage and a shallow pool.

popatiberiuoneb18_ESO

You break/roll out of cc rather then remove it with purge, thats the whole point, it doese not add immunity so not that great, ccs can simply be reapplied. Id use it for siege dots (like oil burn) but thats it...even then clense is better in many sittuations.

Veakoth

@popatiberiuoneb18_ESO‌
Dodge rolling out of Talons does not grant immunity to it, nor does it close an 8 meter gap required to out range it, and that's only if you have the stamina left from not blocking their charge and once you have rolled you've used all your stamina and that's also counting the fact they can simply charge you again and reapply it without a second thought

@realcaged_ESO‌

realcaged_ESO wrote: »

Learn to position, break cc, apply cc and stop stacking.

So they charge straight to you and apply it, Your either able to dodge roll once or be flat on your face for 3+ second based on distance, by the time your up your hp is at 1/4 or dead, but for argument sake lets say half, you apply purge cause you've got no stamina, they talon your next option is to either fight them by purge spamming and trying to run but you can't because purge isn't strong enough or you try to melee fight them with no stamina while they hold block.

realcaged_ESO wrote: »

Talons is far from OP, it simply takes advantage of bad players.

I think you mean bad players take advantage of Talons

realcaged_ESO wrote: »

DK is slow and without movement mods. The DK is tied directly to PBAOE for functionality.

no movement is required when the opponent can't move either and what do you mean by dk's are slow

realcaged_ESO wrote: »

The charge spec DK may cast standard and talons but pose less threat do to weak spell damage and a shallow pool.

I'f you think the Dps output of Dk's is weak then your a fool

realcaged_ESO

Veakoth wrote: »

@popatiberiuoneb18_ESO‌
Dodge rolling out of Talons does not grant immunity to it, nor does it close an 8 meter gap required to out range it, and that's only if you have the stamina left from not blocking their charge and once you have rolled you've used all your stamina and that's also counting the fact they can simply charge you again and reapply it without a second thought

@realcaged_ESO‌

realcaged_ESO wrote: »

Learn to position, break cc, apply cc and stop stacking.

So they charge straight to you and apply it, Your either able to dodge roll once or be flat on your face for 3+ second based on distance, by the time your up your hp is at 1/4 or dead, but for argument sake lets say half, you apply purge cause you've got no stamina, they talon your next option is to either fight them by purge spamming and trying to run but you can't because purge isn't strong enough or you try to melee fight them with no stamina while they hold block.

If they charged then cast talons they have used a massive amount of resources. Being charge spec indicates a balanced build meaning their mana pool is not deep, could even be shallow. The charge is a major cc(stun/knockdown). Thus you must break this and now have 4 seconds of immunity to majors. This is when you should cc with a major. Now they must use more stamina to break your cc.....they cant block now due to no stamina.

The fact remains, learn to play. If your melee build gets destroyed by the DK melee build then adjust.

realcaged_ESO wrote: »

Talons is far from OP, it simply takes advantage of bad players.

I think you mean bad players take advantage of Talons

Throw away statement.

realcaged_ESO wrote: »

DK is slow and without movement mods. The DK is tied directly to PBAOE for functionality.

no movement is required when the opponent can't move either and what do you mean by dk's are slow

A powerful DK has no movement abilities. Charge comes at an extreme cost.

realcaged_ESO wrote: »

The charge spec DK may cast standard and talons but pose less threat do to weak spell damage and a shallow pool.

I'f you think the Dps output of Dk's is weak then your a fool

Devotion

Ive used purge for a while and basically a DK can cast more talons than you can purge.

Raggok

Of course the talons can be applied far more than they can be dodged out of or purged but little children like one of the people above will defend it and call other people bad when it is actually bad players who crutch on the broken mechanic of ESO AoE roots.

realcaged_ESO

Raggok wrote: »

Of course the talons can be applied far more than they can be dodged out of or purged but little children like one of the people above will defend it and call other people bad when it is actually bad players who crutch on the broken mechanic of ESO AoE roots.

It is not a aoe.....it is a PBaoe.

TheBull

Talons and dragon blood are so out of whack compared to the rest of the game it concerns me. It concerns me that we will be dealing with this for months.

If there wasn't ever bats, burning talons and dragon blood would be know as game breaking.

Arreyanne

The game in four to five months in its current balance will end up being

DRAGON KNIGHTS vs SORC
With a teaspoon of NB and Temp

Mix and cook at 350 for thirty minutes

Zintair

For the record guys.... you are using the wrong ability to own Talons.

PROTIP: Retreating Maneuvers > Talons (especially on a Templar)

It breaks you out if you ARE rooted and gives you the few sec immunity to get away... and fast.

You welcome. Or continue to faceplam and not try and read tooltips.

realcaged_ESO

I agree templar could use a buff.

popatiberiuoneb18_ESO

Veakoth wrote: »

@popatiberiuoneb18_ESO‌
Dodge rolling out of Talons does not grant immunity to it, nor does it close an 8 meter gap required to out range it, and that's only if you have the stamina left from not blocking their charge and once you have rolled you've used all your stamina and that's also counting the fact they can simply charge you again and reapply it without a second thought

I stand corrected. I was trying to say that using purge, altough looking good on paper is very sittuational and hardly an option, especialy versus a talon spamming dk, its simply to expensive (even with the cheaper morph)

Sorry about the roll confusion, when i think dk i think banner + talons and rolling out of it is preaty much a reflex

popatiberiuoneb18_ESO

Devotion wrote: »

Ive used purge for a while and basically a DK can cast more talons than you can purge.

Yes, its a very bad idea to use purge vs talons

sminkiottone

popatiberiuoneb18_ESO wrote: »

Devotion wrote: »

Ive used purge for a while and basically a DK can cast more talons than you can purge.

Yes, its a very bad idea to use purge vs talons

How so ?

I find way better than cleanse, at least purge has no aoe cap and talons will be soon, so I guess it will be even better than now.

Btw Efficent purge uses only ~300 magicka.

Armitas

I'm a DK, (nonvamp) and I use banner talons...not out of desire, but necessity because the other guy is going to use it against your raid. I hate it, I absolutely hate it, it is the dumbest form of gameplay I have ever seen. There is no fighting between raids. Its a race to see who can pop the most ultimates while locked down.

Right now PvP is ultimate vs ultimate not player vs player. There is not fighting, no personal struggle. You don't even need weapons, or attacks. All you need are ultimates.

I would rather see purge apply to the land for a duration. In addition to the persons on the land have it purge the land of all aoe effects and make the land immune for 3-4 seconds. That would wipe all roots, banners, negate magic and prevent their reapplication on the land for 3 or 4 seconds.

[sidenote]I wanted to add that the cheapest counter to talon spam that I have found is to use volcanic rune. You could use maneuveur but it's also very expensive...So If the DK is using talons to lock you inside the banner then volcanic rune will knock him down so that he can't spam it then you can walk out. That will let everyone being locked down get out of the banner. I'm not saying that makes it fair/balanced, I'm just suggesting ways to help yourself mitigate it until it's fixed.

TheGrandAlliance

Arreyanne wrote: »

The game in four to five months in its current balance will end up being

DRAGON KNIGHTS vs SORC
With a teaspoon of NB and Temp

Mix and cook at 350 for thirty minutes

Temp are OP btw. How? Backlash. Can nuke any tanking (damage dealing) enemy.

Veakoth

Blacklash has a dps cap of 1366 so i don't think so.
Had an fight today were one dk used talons 8 times in a row on my entire team, i purged 7 times to get them out but we were all dead from stacking standards by the 8th

TheGrandAlliance

Veakoth wrote: »

Blacklash has a dps cap of 1366 so i don't think so.
Had an fight today were one dk used talons 8 times in a row on my entire team, i purged 7 times to get them out but we were all dead from stacking standards by the 8th

Backlash has no DPS cap: Tell that to me evil Temp friends on EU Dawnbreaker who overuse it. Try it again... you will see. I have had reports of over 30K+ damage done with backlash.

Zintair

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

Veakoth wrote: »

Blacklash has a dps cap of 1366 so i don't think so.
Had an fight today were one dk used talons 8 times in a row on my entire team, i purged 7 times to get them out but we were all dead from stacking standards by the 8th

Backlash has no DPS cap: Tell that to me evil Temp friends on EU Dawnbreaker who overuse it. Try it again... you will see. I have had reports of over 30K+ damage done with backlash.

Then it is different in PvP. In PvE the damage caps at a certain number. I have tested it while farming bosses in Darkshade Caverns. Every time no matter what we did it capped at the same EXACT number.

30K+ damage is a lie. You actually believe that? That means that over 100k damage was done to a single target in 6 seconds.

Really? Simple Math makes you sound ridiculous.