Idea to balance Bolt Escape spam. Not a nerf thread.

Mykah

Just an idea...

Make Bolt Escape an AE target spell that requires a left mouse click placement to cast.

This would cut down on its spammability while also giving more utility to intelligent sorcs who aren't just trying to run for the hills. A smart sorc with enough skill and reflex could teleport to a strategic position to avoid damage, while a bad player just mindlessly spamming it would have to adjust their cursor and place the targeted area for multiple casts.

Rewards skill with more utility and cuts down on spam.

What are your guys' thoughts?

Mykah

With this change a good sorc could teleport down a drop to avoid fall damage, teleport up or across a gap to close or create distance, teleport to an enemy target to reliably land their stun, ect.

It also impelements a target reticle player skill check to reward skilled players.

xDonMega

Terrible idea.... ban him.

BrassRazoo

Stop trying to change my game experience because of worthless PvP complaints.

torplin

Who would of thunk that a skill with the word ESCAPE in the name would allow users of that skill to ESCAPE.

RaZaddha

torplin wrote: »

Who would of thunk that a skill with the word ESCAPE in the name would allow users of that skill to ESCAPE.

Maybe we should add a root when you use IMMOVABLE because I can still move when I use it.

Mykah

This idea occured to me when comparing Bolt Escape to the other charge and teleport skills in game. Every charge or teleport skill in game requires a target, which thus uses the target reticle as a skill check, however minor that may sound.

Giving Bolt Escape a AE target skill check would bring it in line with the other charges and teleports while also providing more utility as a defensive manuever.

Jarnhand

It is VERY easy to fix bolt escape (or whatever they are called); make it so costly, you can typically use it no more then 2 times on a typical full magica bar, and you are OOM.

Said it before and say it again; its an escape skill, if you engage, you should just have a small window of opportunity to escape away, NOT whenever you please!

If you engage and start dumping all you got into a toon, and you cannot kill him, you should not ALSO be able to warp away to safety. Should only be able to be used to begin with; to escape, if you stay and fight using your magica pool, you should not be able to also warp away if you see you cannot win. If people do not understand this is OPed/game breaking; please go play a single player offline game.

As it is now; its OPed, and game breaking. And just wait and see, with all the sorc rerolls, Cyrodiil will very soon become a clownbin of warping sorcs.

SeinSchatten

Before an Escape moves is gutted, reflective scale needs a fix.

popatiberiuoneb18_ESO

Mykah wrote: »

Just an idea...

Make Bolt Escape an AE target spell that requires a left mouse click placement to cast.

This would cut down on its spammability while also giving more utility to intelligent sorcs who aren't just trying to run for the hills. A smart sorc with enough skill and reflex could teleport to a strategic position to avoid damage, while a bad player just mindlessly spamming it would have to adjust their cursor and place the targeted area for multiple casts.

Rewards skill with more utility and cuts down on spam.

What are your guys' thoughts?

I like your idea and it could work if they ever fixed the lag issues. Unfortunately with the huge server lag all targeted abilities based on reflex are a poor choice. Make it ground targeted and it will render it useless.

Aither way im an EU player (so i get a 200+ ping added by default) and ZoS seems to make small (but noticeable) improvements with Cyrodiil latency so i will refrain from flaming them for now.

Keep that idea in store, it might be doable in the future.

Armitas

I finally figured out what we are missing. Power pills! That would help us counter the bolt escape!




(humor, do not take seriously)

dahl.lucas_ESO

I really don't think that's a good idea, armitas. Unless you also add some cherry 's that the sorc could hunt for while running around.

Armitas

We can put some strawberries in for the sorcs, but make them 3x as rare.
Cherry = 100points
Strawberry = 300points.

NordJitsu

I think the best way to balance Bolt escape would be to increase the damage of Streak.

Mephos

BrassRazoo wrote: »

Stop trying to change my game experience because of worthless PvP complaints.

you get the nerf bat like vampires got their mist form nerfed..
and after mages are nerfed .. DKs are next. no ground aoe CC anymore, no "I kill all banner ulti" ..

the pvp whiner will nerf you all into oblivion..

popatiberiuoneb18_ESO

Mephos wrote: »

BrassRazoo wrote: »

Stop trying to change my game experience because of worthless PvP complaints.

you get the nerf bat like vampires got their mist form nerfed..
and after mages are nerfed .. DKs are next. no ground aoe CC anymore, no "I kill all banner ulti" ..

the pvp whiner will nerf you all into oblivion..

Yes, we all know how nerfing everything helps with the game balance and how it keeps the playerbase happy and subbed

NordJitsu

Another option to help balance things would be to remove the decreased magicka regen after casting, so Sorcs could cast it more times.

xDonMega

I agree.

The best way to mitigate damage is to not take any.

Saying sorcs can wear heavy armor is retart. If I wanted to wear heavy armor and run with 1h/shield or 2hand I would of rolled a DK.

prana33b14_ESO

RaZaddha wrote: »

torplin wrote: »

Who would of thunk that a skill with the word ESCAPE in the name would allow users of that skill to ESCAPE.

Maybe we should add a root when you use IMMOVABLE because I can still move when I use it.

Yet it makes you "immovable" to knockbacks and stuff, or immovable. derp.

xDonMega

But people want to be able to block and reflect the sorcs damage, leap to the sorc to get into melee range, and then prevent the sorc for reestablishing range once again.

xDonMega

The bolt escape whines would hold weight if you were seeing sorcs getting jumped and then instantly melting people. Then you could say he just melted me and still has bolt escape~

But for the most part you see sorcs getting jumped and running away, or sticking around and dieing... or using it to escape a failed gank attempt.

You can't start a class balance discussion when the class in question is losing the fights. And also trying to balance classes around who can gank the best is equally retart.

popatiberiuoneb18_ESO

NordJitsu wrote: »

Another option to help balance things would be to remove the decreased magicka regen after casting, so Sorcs could cast it more times.

That magika regen nerf they did is a very poor choice (as many others), ruins the bolt escape as a fighting skill and turns into more of an escape ability. Best suggestion i heard was to reward bolt users for bolting trough people and penalize them for bolting trough thin air. So many good ideas (if you filter the "nerf it!" posts all over the forums and they pick one of the worst. To their defense, that nerf is quite old, not that many whiners when it happend.

ruzlb16_ESO

xDonMega wrote: »

You can't start a class balance discussion when the class in question is losing the fights.

This. Totally and utterly this. The nerf argument here essentially boils down to 'I beat this guy but I didn't beat him hard enough! HE SHOULD BE NERFED BECAUSE I BEAT HIM!'.

Bolt escape is an escape skill. If Sorcs can use it to escape, then it is working as intended...

NordJitsu

ruzlb16_ESO wrote: »

xDonMega wrote: »

You can't start a class balance discussion when the class in question is losing the fights.

This. Totally and utterly this. The nerf argument here essentially boils down to 'I beat this guy but I didn't beat him hard enough! HE SHOULD BE NERFED BECAUSE I BEAT HIM!'.

Bolt escape is an escape skill. If Sorcs can use it to escape, then it is working as intended...

"I know I beat him, but I want to beat him MOAR!!!!"

Pretty much sums it up.

Again, I think increasing the damage on Streak and maybe making the stun a bit longer would encourage people to pick this morph and use it offensively. That would solve a lot of people's frustration that they didn't get the kill they wanted and also keep things balanced by not nerfing the skill.

Removing the magicka debuff would also make people use it more in combat.

So really we should be talking about Bolt Escape buffs.

dahl.lucas_ESO

I think it be great if there was no way to disrupt bolt escape. It also still takes a split second per casting. Increasing it's damage could be useful too seeing it's uses are very selected at the moment. Maybe if you could do it while your swimming! Damn slaughter fish's!

ruzlb16_ESO

NordJitsu wrote: »

"I know I beat him, but I want to beat him MOAR!!!!"

Pretty much sums it up.

Again, I think increasing the damage on Streak and maybe making the stun a bit longer would encourage people to pick this morph and use it offensively. That would solve a lot of people's frustration that they didn't get the kill they wanted and also keep things balanced by not nerfing the skill.

Removing the magicka debuff would also make people use it more in combat.

So really we should be talking about Bolt Escape buffs.

I wouldn't go that far, tho I suspect you might be taking the *** a tiny bit

But no more than the ridiculous claims that are flying around about BE. 'I saw a sorc cast BE 15 times in a row and then spam AOEs that were 1-shotting 50 people at a time!!!' is the kind of absurd rubbish that the nerf-plix crowd keep rolling out; I've seen people claiming BE costs <50 majicka to cost (and demanding it be tripled from this amount - which would be cheaper than it presently is. A nerf whiner accidentally asking to buff the skill. Good move, that man).

What really gets me about it is, BE is the last thing I would've thought would get people screaming for nerfs. I mean, really. This is a mobility spell. It barely does any damage if you select the damage morph; the offensive components can all be blocked. I would've understood if Dark Exchange was picked (dump a useless resource to gain both health and Stam from a short channel? That is pretty awesome compared to most other classes resource management skills); or crystal shards (AOE + knockdown + high single-target damage, that's an awesome nuke). These are skills that I could almost see an argument for nerfing (I wouldn't agree with it, but I could at least see where people were coming from).

But BE? Really? Seriously? We're ignoring any crazy damage skills on half a dozen classes to argue against a blink skill. It's madness. There's less QQ about Bash Spam (which literally everyone, including ZoS, admits is broken as hell); there's as many threads on BE than there were against Bat Swarm (which was also quite literally broken). Rather than, say, threads suggesting they fix the skills which simply do not do anything (I'm looking at you, Nightblades) or ones that are genuinely overpowered, usually because they're not WAD (this would be a couple of yours, DKs).

NordJitsu

BE should also take you through walls so Sorcs can bypass most of the dungeon and get to the final boss easier.

Artemiisia

the point is if you "fix" bolt escape, so u cant actuallly use it for escape, you have lost what the abilitiy was born to be, ESCAPE simple as that.

Get over it, you wont be able to kill all pvp sorceres.

and no, I dont play pvp.....

XILoKoIX

As i've said over and over again, my success rate with BE is probably around 60%. I use it in battle, to catch other BE/horses, or to just full on retreat from a zerg.

it's called bolt ESCAPE for a reason, you idiots need to learn how to play the game before you decide to nerf everything. There are multiple videos on how to counter, spend time learning your class and stop taking away from me learning mine.

Aimelin

Mykah wrote: »

Just an idea...

Make Bolt Escape an AE target spell that requires a left mouse click placement to cast.

This would cut down on its spammability while also giving more utility to intelligent sorcs who aren't just trying to run for the hills. A smart sorc with enough skill and reflex could teleport to a strategic position to avoid damage, while a bad player just mindlessly spamming it would have to adjust their cursor and place the targeted area for multiple casts.

Rewards skill with more utility and cuts down on spam.

What are your guys' thoughts?

Yes, change it to that and you'll see 50 sorcs teleporting inside a keep trolling all day ......

also increase talon dmg & lower its cost, its not used enough, same with dragon blood and standard of spam

Mykah

I didn't know giving escape utilities a skill check ment good players couldnt escape using it.

Obvious bad sorc posters are obvious.

Fine, if bad sorcs want a one button escape tool make it cost 33% of their mana pool to bring its utility to resource pool ratio comparable to stamina builds. Then you can say your balanced with the other three classes.