Werewolf protips

Hail_Sithis

(Devour bug was fixed)

Let's skip introductions and get to the point. You want to know how to get the most out of the underpowered werewolf, I'm here to tell you. I was considering writing this in "Guide" format, Which I may do later, but I don't have that much time right now, so I want to get these out there ASAP.

We still need massive buffs in PVP, don't read this wrong, but we can be a *** force of nature in PVE for the time being.

No, you don't have to put every damn point in stamina. You get a 20% boost to stamina, and an extra 30% boost when you kill five dudes, When you consider this with gear, racials, and class passives, You really don't need to put everything into stamina. The character in the videos is basically pure magicka in medium armor. The softcap is paltry to a werewolf.


NEVER fully charge the heavy attack on a single target
A partially charged heavy attack does almost as much damage as a fully charged attack, and charges MUCH quicker, This fits better into the rotation listed below, and makes you less predictable. The heavy attack fully charges is frankly, garbage. It's a very very small Cone, which sounds neat, but it doesn't do as much damage to the enemies that are not your main target.

Thief Stone Get it. Now. No, no! No! I don't care how much of a shadowscale you are, GET THAT DAMN THIEF STONE!


Get Berserker form No exceptions. "But I want to le- No.

Medium Armor is Godlike Those bonuses carry over, Yep, even the attack speed, yes, even the crit chance. Yes, even the set bonuses. You're welcome.

Equipped Weapon enchantments carry over I have no idea if the weapon perks themselves carry over, And could use verification on that from you fine folks, in the meantime, your current weapon's fire/frost/whatever enchantments do infact carry over.

You can pounce while jumping For that occasional guy who has a height advantage over you.

Best "Combo" Roar> Partial-charged heavy attack> three-four quick swipes, another partial heavy attack> repeat, weave in a partial-heavy attack as a finisher if almost dead.

You can use potions in wolf form Rev up those Cauldrons! 'Cuz I am sure hungry for one-

Potions fix the "stuck in pounce" bug. "Help! Help! My leg!"

Self buffs persist into werewolf form Things such as molten armor, haste and siphon power transfer over. Keep this in mind.

Pounce does NOT consume the "Off balance" status that Roar afflicts enemies with What this means, is that if you roar, send them running, and pounce on them, You can follow up with a partial-heavy attack and knock them down again.

(This one may be subjective to different builds) Dragon Knights and Templars tend to get more uptime in wolf form.
It's not really because they are better than the other classes, it's more just that the nature of their abilities build ultimate much, much faster, and thus can be in wolf form far more often.

I noticed this after going from the Nightblade to the templar, It just builds faster. Do not take this as a Discouragement but more as a If you're planning a wolf build, but haven't made the character yet, consider those two, unless you have a very specialized purpose in mind



You can put the werewolf abilities on your non-wolf bars
Credit to Ravinsild for this one, This will make leveling these abilities MUCH less painful. Note You CAN'T use them in combat, this is purely for leveling the abilities. Most builds should have a spare kinda "Why not" slot put in it anyway, so this should not be too hard to fit in for leveling.

http://esohead.com/skills#line:50;type:1

Hail_Sithis

(Keep in mind, that while I somewhat outlevel these mobs, That I killed them at pretty much the same speed when I was level 25. and has only changed very slightly, So I don't want to hear "YEAH, GOOD JOB KILLING MOBS 5 LEVELS LOWER THAN YOU, NOOB!" Because I will maul the crap out of you.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvAAPsCdTP8

full ultimate in two minutes, Booya.

Follow-up video processing now. will link when it's ready.

I make alot of mistakes here due to lag, If i'm standing still or fully charging the heavy attack ,it's my gtx 560's inability to handle HD frap's fault.

EDIT: I also made the mistake of popping my potion too early, So I got stuck in the pounce bug, with my only way out of it on cooldown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdgwVDEjevU


Footnote: The character in these videos does not have: beserker form, the medium armor attack speed bonus, any mundus stones, any set bonuses, or any of the other wolf-ability morphs yet. So, this is merely showcasing how a base-werewolf can perform.

ScardyFox

This is an excellent post and I applaud your efforts.

Ravinsild

I put Pounce on my #1 slot on my bar while questing, then I put Roar there and that is how I morphed them both. It went fairly quickly.

I got Feral Pounce for the extra time and Ferocious Roar....when you kill dudes near people who are afflicted by Ferocious Roar they curl up in a ball and put their hands on their heads and cower. It makes you feel badass.

Hail_Sithis

Ravinsild wrote: »

I put Pounce on my #1 slot on my bar while questing, then I put Roar there and that is how I morphed them both. It went fairly quickly.

***, You can do that?! This calls for an edit!

Ravinsild

Yes you can have them there but you can't use them... Unless you transform, but of course that unlocks a whole new separate werewolf only bar.

Also buffs like Evil Hunter and Molten Weapons remain for their duration after transforming.

So now I'm just used to using 2, 3, 4, and 5 and just forget to use my number 1 key.

Hail_Sithis

Ravinsild wrote: »

Yes you can have them there but you can't use them... Unless you transform, but of course that unlocks a whole new separate werewolf only bar.

Also buffs like Evil Hunter and Molten Weapons remain for their duration after transforming.

So now I'm just used to using 2, 3, 4, and 5 and just forget to use my number 1 key.

Right, forgot to mention the buff part. Thanks again.

Out of curiosity, Why is pounce on 1, rather than say, five? Perhaps it's just me being an organization freak, but eh.

Xarko

You killed those packs faster in human form, why bother morphing . I miss low lvl content where I could at last morph for fun. Last time I tried ww form in V6 zone I got slaughtered.

Hail_Sithis

Xarko wrote: »

You killed those packs faster in human form, why bother morphing . I miss low lvl content where I could at last morph for fun. Last time I tried ww form in V6 zone I got slaughtered.

Very true, but single-target damage was monsterous...and it was a completely unmorphed wolf.

It's there to demonstrate, that while we are super-underpowered and have a pretty nasty bug that screws us over, We can do some damage in PVE.

Once I reach VR on the templar, i'll submit another video. As the grinding spots after that one tend to be daedric/undead. So no noms for my wolf.

Brittany_Joy

What about a sorcerer werewolf for the Power Stone passive. 15% ultimate reduction + 33% ultimate reduction + 20% ultimate reduction, can greatly reduce the werewolf ultimate.

Hail_Sithis

Brittany_Joy wrote: »

What about a sorcerer werewolf for the Power Stone passive. 15% ultimate reduction + 33% ultimate reduction + 20% ultimate reduction, can greatly reduce the werewolf ultimate.

Eh, Because Sorcs don't synergize well with wolves at all. Better as a vampire.

stimpy986b14_ESO

If your primary goal is to build ULT, you should be using a 2h weapon with Cleave and Solar Barrage with the Prism passive

Sakiri

Hail_Sithis wrote: »

Brittany_Joy wrote: »

What about a sorcerer werewolf for the Power Stone passive. 15% ultimate reduction + 33% ultimate reduction + 20% ultimate reduction, can greatly reduce the werewolf ultimate.

Eh, Because Sorcs don't synergize well with wolves at all. Better as a vampire.

No, it's not the best, but vamps suck. Literally and figuratively.

/howl

That said, my ww is a sorc. Still figuring out stuff too. >< Probably end up turning my DK too.

Hail_Sithis

stimpy986b14_ESO wrote: »

If your primary goal is to build ULT, you should be using a 2h weapon with Cleave and Solar Barrage with the Prism passive

I build 1000 ultimate in about two minutes, It's really not necessary.

Sakiri

Hey Sithis, did you see my suggestion for the ultimate thing? Still think 1k is asinine but thats just mr.

Crescent

So you haven't reached vet ranks?

Brittany_Joy

Hail_Sithis wrote: »

Brittany_Joy wrote: »

What about a sorcerer werewolf for the Power Stone passive. 15% ultimate reduction + 33% ultimate reduction + 20% ultimate reduction, can greatly reduce the werewolf ultimate.

Eh, Because Sorcs don't synergize well with wolves at all. Better as a vampire.

Well, the powerstone passive and the critical surge will be useful. Critical surge will carry over to wolf form, so all my crits will heal me. Also since the ultimate is reduced to 725 (info from Tamriel Foundry) with the sorcerer passive I can get the werewolf ultimate as low as 233 if all the ultimate reduction stuff stays the same.

The alliance war passive called Combat Frenzy, which gives 13-25 ultimate per kill. Combat Frenzy will greatly increase our ultimate gain in PvP which will also increase our chances of becoming a werewolf. So either way becoming a werewolf will be faster but the sorcerer will still get to transform alot faster.

I guess in the end it doesn't matter what class you are because of the many ways to gain ultimate quickly. Sorcerers still get to transform faster though which is all that matters to me.

Sakiri

2/2 power stone unmorphef transform 4(not able to morph it just yet) is 787 ultimate for my sorc.

Hail_Sithis

Sakiri wrote: »

2/2 power stone unmorphef transform 4(not able to morph it just yet) is 787 ultimate for my sorc.

But sorc abilities generally build Ult slower, so in practicality, they are not faster than a templar.

I'm not saying they suck, if that's the implication, they certainly don't.

Sakiri

I was stating numbers to react to what was stated.

I know theyre subpar. I already have a vr2 DK and I can't stand the knight in shiny armor look to the templar or I'd have made one of those for my ww. Mine's a sorc.

I've gotten her to do decent damage in form(she only really uses crit surge regularly from class trees, bow user) because she's mostly statted for a stam weapon to start with, but the ultimate generation is pretty terrible. Not to mention my bad habit trying to reply to whispers and blowing said ultimate...

What I'd kill for is something closer to EQ's shadowknight but there really isnt any class that's into that dark necromantic stuff. That would be a badass werewolf.

Especially if theyd let class passives work in form. That right there would go a long way to fixing some of what's broke. I still can't figure out why in the world I'm suddenly not a sorcerer with these passives when I wolf out. Did I magically change class using a skill tree? No.

/rant

Brittany_Joy

Hail_Sithis wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

2/2 power stone unmorphef transform 4(not able to morph it just yet) is 787 ultimate for my sorc.

But sorc abilities generally build Ult slower, so in practicality, they are not faster than a templar.

I'm not saying they suck, if that's the implication, they certainly don't.

I dunno how you got so misinformed. But sorcerer's do not build ultimate slower. We all get 1 ultimate for each attack and more for blocking heavy attacks. AoE attacks also give a tons of ultimate. As a sorcerer I was able to cast a 200 ultimate within a same fight, kinda proof that they do not gain ultimate slowly.

Maverick827

Werewolf protip: don't go Werewolf.

Grao

Best part of your post OP, Potions cancel the Pounce Bug... Thanks so much for that one. ^^

Alysta

This was extremely helpful, thank you! It is nice to see someone focusing on the positive side of things for a change.

-Alysta

Sakiri

Brittany_Joy wrote: »

Hail_Sithis wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

2/2 power stone unmorphef transform 4(not able to morph it just yet) is 787 ultimate for my sorc.

But sorc abilities generally build Ult slower, so in practicality, they are not faster than a templar.

I'm not saying they suck, if that's the implication, they certainly don't.

I dunno how you got so misinformed. But sorcerer's do not build ultimate slower. We all get 1 ultimate for each attack and more for blocking heavy attacks. AoE attacks also give a tons of ultimate. As a sorcerer I was able to cast a 200 ultimate within a same fight, kinda proof that they do not gain ultimate slowly.

Of course you could. My DK can drop standard constantly because of quick ultimate generation. 200 ult is nothing.

Brittany_Joy

Sakiri wrote: »

Brittany_Joy wrote: »

Hail_Sithis wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

2/2 power stone unmorphef transform 4(not able to morph it just yet) is 787 ultimate for my sorc.

But sorc abilities generally build Ult slower, so in practicality, they are not faster than a templar.

I'm not saying they suck, if that's the implication, they certainly don't.

I dunno how you got so misinformed. But sorcerer's do not build ultimate slower. We all get 1 ultimate for each attack and more for blocking heavy attacks. AoE attacks also give a tons of ultimate. As a sorcerer I was able to cast a 200 ultimate within a same fight, kinda proof that they do not gain ultimate slowly.

Of course you could. My DK can drop standard constantly because of quick ultimate generation. 200 ult is nothing.

I think I forget to mentioned I was able to cast that 200 ultimate twice in the same fight, so I generated over 400 ultimate from one fight.

Sakiri

Brittany_Joy wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

Brittany_Joy wrote: »

Hail_Sithis wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

2/2 power stone unmorphef transform 4(not able to morph it just yet) is 787 ultimate for my sorc.

But sorc abilities generally build Ult slower, so in practicality, they are not faster than a templar.

I'm not saying they suck, if that's the implication, they certainly don't.

I dunno how you got so misinformed. But sorcerer's do not build ultimate slower. We all get 1 ultimate for each attack and more for blocking heavy attacks. AoE attacks also give a tons of ultimate. As a sorcerer I was able to cast a 200 ultimate within a same fight, kinda proof that they do not gain ultimate slowly.

Of course you could. My DK can drop standard constantly because of quick ultimate generation. 200 ult is nothing.

I think I forget to mentioned I was able to cast that 200 ultimate twice in the same fight, so I generated over 400 ultimate from one fight.

I think I forgot to mention that I've done it too.

I dropped it three times on Mannimarco. Standard is 200 ultimate.

Brittany_Joy

Sakiri wrote: »

Brittany_Joy wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

Brittany_Joy wrote: »

Hail_Sithis wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

2/2 power stone unmorphef transform 4(not able to morph it just yet) is 787 ultimate for my sorc.

But sorc abilities generally build Ult slower, so in practicality, they are not faster than a templar.

I'm not saying they suck, if that's the implication, they certainly don't.

I dunno how you got so misinformed. But sorcerer's do not build ultimate slower. We all get 1 ultimate for each attack and more for blocking heavy attacks. AoE attacks also give a tons of ultimate. As a sorcerer I was able to cast a 200 ultimate within a same fight, kinda proof that they do not gain ultimate slowly.

Of course you could. My DK can drop standard constantly because of quick ultimate generation. 200 ult is nothing.

I think I forget to mentioned I was able to cast that 200 ultimate twice in the same fight, so I generated over 400 ultimate from one fight.

I think I forgot to mention that I've done it too.

I dropped it three times on Mannimarco. Standard is 200 ultimate.

Not a boss fight silly. It was just a 3 man trash mob /flex

Sakiri

Ah aoe fight. Those cheat.

dodgehopper_ESO

Sakiri wrote: »

I was stating numbers to react to what was stated.

I know theyre subpar. I already have a vr2 DK and I can't stand the knight in shiny armor look to the templar or I'd have made one of those for my ww. Mine's a sorc.

I've gotten her to do decent damage in form(she only really uses crit surge regularly from class trees, bow user) because she's mostly statted for a stam weapon to start with, but the ultimate generation is pretty terrible. Not to mention my bad habit trying to reply to whispers and blowing said ultimate...

What I'd kill for is something closer to EQ's shadowknight but there really isnt any class that's into that dark necromantic stuff. That would be a badass werewolf.

Especially if theyd let class passives work in form. That right there would go a long way to fixing some of what's broke. I still can't figure out why in the world I'm suddenly not a sorcerer with these passives when I wolf out. Did I magically change class using a skill tree? No.

/rant

Why not make a nightblade? They have ghosts, and absorb health powers...

Sakiri

Because every time Ive tried it doesnt feel right.