NB - Tanky PVE and PVP

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO

Hallo all.
This are my builds, I am posting this because I like some feedback on them. Manly because I kind of find my self okay for solo pve, but when it comes to pvp I find myself weak, and die often.
I am a old DAOC player(PVP playertype), and i have a saying If it works for pvp it works for pve. But not in this case.
I am a Breton Nightblade (V4)- Full plate, Maxed resistance, maxed HP and maxed armor. I am not a Vamp or a WW(Don't find the sub-class, that good compared to what i lose).
- Pvp setup: 1handed & Shield/Bow
- Pve setup: 1handed & Shield/Bow

Mykah

For pvp I would use Consuming Darkness on both bars for more tankness and group utility. You could even consider Meteor from the mages guild for your bow bar as it is an AE range damage attack, something NB is otherwise missing from its skill trees. Or you could pick up Warhorn down the road which is amazing in group pvp, and can be effective used at range, or used before swapping to 1hs before running in. Swap out swallow soul for reapers mark on your bow bar, giving yourself a 60% hp heal when your marked target dies. Swap out ambush for 1hs Pierce armor morphed to -40% armor spell resistance, if someone runs away you have a bow to kill them and dont need the gap closer really, also this stacks with morphed armor reduction surprise attack and reapers mark. Also its a stamina melee attack, and between that and surprise attack you have a melee attack for each resource pool, both of which reduce your targets defense for everyone helping you.

Also consider swapping out magnum shot for snipe, the knockback is best suited for kite builds, and if your going 1hs tank build you want to pull out that shield if someone gets in your face, not waste stamina pushing them away.

Between reapers mark and snipe at range, and pierce armor and surprise attack in mele, you will be doing considerably more damage while also making your team hit your target harder. Consuming Darkness will make you much harder to kill also in those oh s*** moments.

lao

switch leeching strikes for killers blade on ur melee bar in the pvp build. leeching strikes is really nice in pve but in pvp i found it to be not worth it. also change dark cloak to shadowy disguise. dark cloak is absolutely not worth it at all despite what some ppl here will tell you. dont listen to them.

also id suggest going 5 medium 2 heavy but thats not a must since you mostly rely on autocrits anyway. the high crit rate from medium armor comes in handy if some1 manages to get away and u have to bow them down tho.

the consuming darkness thing is arguable. (well not rly) its pretty bad in pvp in most situations if ur fighting anyone not completely braindead as he can just roll out of it. soul harvest is far better in pvp on the melee bar imo. its an extremely cheap ultimate and does massive dmg while also applying a healing debuff. maybe consuming darkness is worth it on the bow bar as another kiting tool.

oh and lol @ switching ambush vs broken marked target. do not even remotely consider that. ambush is the best gap closer in the game as it does sick dmg if used from stealth in the back and also stuns the target for 1.5 secs effectively giving u time to shadowy disguise > suprise attack > heavy attack.

Mykah

Why does he need a gap closer if his 2nd bar is bow?
Why would he wear medium armor if he wants to be tanky?
Shadow cloak morphed to remove debuffs is the best survival tool a nb has in pvp.
Consuming darkness is amazing in group fights and choke points holding your ground, something he can do in heavy armor with a 1hs Unstoppable and Shadow cloak, the playstyle hes going for.
Soul harvest is a offensive gank skill, something he is not trying to build.
Reaper's mark is amazing because of its 60% heal, something he can utilize with snipe.

Sounds like you enjoy solo NB ganking, which is great and viable, but thats not what hes asking for. The build I suggested is very viable in massive pvp, I use something similar on my pvp 1hs bar and can face tank half a raid on the front line.

Also I told him to swap reapers mark for soul swallow on his bow bar because it compliments snipe, I told him to swap Pierce armor for Ambush on his 1hs bar for a stamina attack that also helps his team do more damage, as a gap closer isnt required for a build that can swap to Bow ranged stun, Cripplings snare, and Snipe for damage.

Your build is great for solo or small group play, but in a massive pvp situation I would much rather have the build I linked as my team mate because he's a frontline tank that makes all of us do more damage where as your an opportunity ganker only capable of picking off stupid targets who are already going to die to our range dpsers.

To each their, both builds have their place, but at the very least you could recognize the validity of other playstyles. In this case the one I recommended works for his desired playstyle, where as you suggested a totally different playstyle he's not looking for and trashed the one I shared out inexperience using it.

lao

Mykah wrote: »

Why does he need a gap closer if his 2nd bar is bow?
Why would he wear medium armor if he wants to be tanky?
Shadow cloak morphed to remove debuffs is the best survival tool a nb has in pvp.
Consuming darkness is amazing in group fights and choke points holding your ground, something he can do in heavy armor with a 1hs Unstoppable and Shadow cloak, the playstyle hes going for.
Soul harvest is a offensive gank skill, something he is not trying to build.
Reaper's mark is amazing because of its 60% heal, something he can utilize with snipe.

Sounds like you enjoy solo NB ganking, which is great and viable, but thats not what hes asking for. The build I suggested is very viable in massive pvp, I use something similar on my pvp 1hs bar and can face tank half a raid on the front line.

he said he found himself weak in pvp. i pointed out why.

"why does he need a gap closer if his 2nd bar is a bow?"

ive actually missread ur first post or u changed it after dno, doesnt matter tho. swapping out ambush for 40% armor debuff is even worse than swapping it for broken mark. like ALOT worse... infact that has to be one of the worst things ive ever read on this forums and that means alot....

as i said consuming darkness is situational but most of the time its useless so ur better of with soul harvest.

its cute how some ppl in this game still think heavy armor makes u that much tankier. id suggest u to actually do some tests before randomly assuming things. it is barely noticable. there is a difference yes but its hardly justifying loosing 20% crit chance and improved sneak over it.

reapers mark is ok for the heal yea but the armor debuff is completely bugged and does almost nothing. also u have to kill a target in order to get the heal. its a decent skill if ur soloing but if ur aiming for zergplay i would not bother with it until they fix the debuff. get a healer instead.

@ OP
as i said about dark cloak, do not listen to ppl here. most are utterly clueless. this really is a nobrainer

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO

well for now thanks for the feedback. Some of it will be changed

Mykah

Sneak and crit are only important if youre playing a gank build.

Pierce armor is good in group Pvp because it lowers armor AND magic resist helping the entire group burst down that target. Again not great for a 1v1 build but simply amazing for massive PvP.

Heavy armor is the best option for pvp tank builds because of the spell resist it offers, not for its armor.

You are coming from a ganker mindset offering ill advice to someone looking for a tank massive pvp build which shows how intelligent you really are, on top of that its hard to take you seriously with your hyperbold fourth grade vocabulary.

Timbo, try the build I shared for a few days after you get the morphs specced for everything, find a healer buddy, I'm confident the experience of playing with it will speak for itself.

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO

Mykah where can I see the Build that you have shared ?

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO

Will a pure 1h/shield(1 hotkay bar) build work in pvp and pve ?

lao

Mykah wrote: »

Why does he need a gap closer if his 2nd bar is bow?
Why would he wear medium armor if he wants to be tanky?
Shadow cloak morphed to remove debuffs is the best survival tool a nb has in pvp.
Consuming darkness is amazing in group fights and choke points holding your ground, something he can do in heavy armor with a 1hs Unstoppable and Shadow cloak, the playstyle hes going for.
Soul harvest is a offensive gank skill, something he is not trying to build.
Reaper's mark is amazing because of its 60% heal, something he can utilize with snipe.

Sounds like you enjoy solo NB ganking, which is great and viable, but thats not what hes asking for. The build I suggested is very viable in massive pvp, I use something similar on my pvp 1hs bar and can face tank half a raid on the front line.

Also I told him to swap reapers mark for soul swallow on his bow bar because it compliments snipe, I told him to swap Pierce armor for Ambush on his 1hs bar for a stamina attack that also helps his team do more damage, as a gap closer isnt required for a build that can swap to Bow ranged stun, Cripplings snare, and Snipe for damage.

Your build is great for solo or small group play, but in a massive pvp situation I would much rather have the build I linked as my team mate because he's a frontline tank that makes all of us do more damage where as your an opportunity ganker only capable of picking off stupid targets who are already going to die to our range dpsers.

To each their, both builds have their place, but at the very least you could recognize the validity of other playstyles. In this case the one I recommended works for his desired playstyle, where as you suggested a totally different playstyle he's not looking for and trashed the one I shared out inexperience using it.

he plays the wrong class for the playstyle he wants. this isnt some roleplay game ala skyrim where everything works. this is an mmo. mmos are about maximizing on your characters strengths and minimizing on its weaknesses. if u wanna be a tank then you should roll a tank. just cos the game allows you to twist your character into some role its not meant to be doesnt mean its gonna be effective, or as effective as the class that is meant to fill that role. by deviating from the original purpose of the class your´re effectively gimping it. he said he felt weak in pvp. i was simply pointing out that that is because he is trying to fill a role his class wasnt designed for. can it be viable in derpling pvp? sure, everything can be viable in a zerg. can it be viable in top tier pvp when compared to a DK? lol no. the NB has one specific role it excels at compared to other classes and that is 1v1 or ganking as u call it. why would u try to be anything else and therefor gimping urself? no1 would roll a sorcerer and pretend to be a tank either.

Mykah

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO wrote: »

Will a pure 1h/shield(1 hotkay bar) build work in pvp and pve ?

Your going to want to mix it up with a bow until youve been pvping awhile.

Here:http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mczXyg9k8fXGb8IryJ8fXG18IrtP8rrYR8Ir3D8injt8inyz8IPQe8GHau8IPUI8Ir3j8T7XLRMA6MrqAi6MrqAI6MrqAD6MrqAZ6crqLw8y7XLR3r6LR3f8g7XrsXy6LsXt6MipLW6MipL46MippV6Mippo6Mippq8C7XLzqI6MGFWc6MGFWi6MGFWA6MGFWn8D7XrzdM6Lzdm6LzdR6MIsaM6MIrv36MIrEf6MIrEh8F7XLbuy6rbut6MIPNU6MIPAh6MIPAT6MIPAv8O7zzAZqS8P7azLp4d6cLncp6cLncn6zLncy6zLyjz8U7XrrWE6MTkTV6MTkTs6MTkTq8zc7XcgePB6zgeXm6cgeXA6cgeYc8za7XMlNrE6MlNrB8zf7czNbo6MDVRE6MDVRC6MDVRH8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX

Mykah

lao wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

Why does he need a gap closer if his 2nd bar is bow?
Why would he wear medium armor if he wants to be tanky?
Shadow cloak morphed to remove debuffs is the best survival tool a nb has in pvp.
Consuming darkness is amazing in group fights and choke points holding your ground, something he can do in heavy armor with a 1hs Unstoppable and Shadow cloak, the playstyle hes going for.
Soul harvest is a offensive gank skill, something he is not trying to build.
Reaper's mark is amazing because of its 60% heal, something he can utilize with snipe.

Sounds like you enjoy solo NB ganking, which is great and viable, but thats not what hes asking for. The build I suggested is very viable in massive pvp, I use something similar on my pvp 1hs bar and can face tank half a raid on the front line.

Also I told him to swap reapers mark for soul swallow on his bow bar because it compliments snipe, I told him to swap Pierce armor for Ambush on his 1hs bar for a stamina attack that also helps his team do more damage, as a gap closer isnt required for a build that can swap to Bow ranged stun, Cripplings snare, and Snipe for damage.

Your build is great for solo or small group play, but in a massive pvp situation I would much rather have the build I linked as my team mate because he's a frontline tank that makes all of us do more damage where as your an opportunity ganker only capable of picking off stupid targets who are already going to die to our range dpsers.

To each their, both builds have their place, but at the very least you could recognize the validity of other playstyles. In this case the one I recommended works for his desired playstyle, where as you suggested a totally different playstyle he's not looking for and trashed the one I shared out inexperience using it.

he plays the wrong class for the playstyle he wants. this isnt some roleplay game ala skyrim where everything works. this is an mmo. mmos are about maximizing on your characters strengths and minimizing on its weaknesses. if u wanna be a tank then you should roll a tank. just cos the game allows you to twist your character into some role its not meant to be doesnt mean its gonna be effective, or as effective as the class that is meant to fill that role. by deviating from the original purpose of the class your´re effectively gimping it. he said he felt weak in pvp. i was simply pointing out that that is because he is trying to fill a role his class wasnt designed for. can it be viable in derpling pvp? sure, everything can be viable in a zerg. can it be viable in top tier pvp when compared to a DK? lol no. the NB has one specific role it excels at compared to other classes and that is 1v1 or ganking as u call it. why would u try to be anything else and therefor gimping urself? no1 would roll a sorcerer and pretend to be a tank either.

Well have fun following the herd. I've been pvping in mmos long enough (15 years) to know what does and doesn't work. I really don't need some kids advice on how to build characters who insists "play cookie cutter or reroll" straight out of wow faceroll nub arenas.

The thing is this build isn't just viable in a zerg, its designed for a zerg AGAINST another zerg, in fact that's what it excels at, being a front line shield that designates what target is going to die.

DK is OP right now in a vaccum against bad players, but, DK's are only killer if people stand right in front of them in paper builds, kind of like the build you suggested. The build I linked works really well for being a shield wall for the range DPS behind you and leading the charge. A DK has to stand in one spot to do well where as a NB tank can move anywhere, chase a target, run away, and still be a brick wall. Different play styles all together really.

Not to mention, if the other zergs big bad DK comes up and talons/standards, this NB build can go toe to toe with him using Veil, strip his armor, set him up to get owned by range dps, and chain stun him while his team destroys the DK for being cocky. I do it all the time. Stack some fire resist and you will murder 1hs DKs using this build, not just in a gank situation, but in 40v40 siege battle.

Najarati

@Mykah‌ I think I'll try this build, myself, since I'm also a NB tank. Some of my morphs are different though (like having Immovable Brute instead of Unstoppable, Piercing Mark instead of Reaper's Mark).

You recommend Shield Charge over Teleport Strike?

Also, I went with Concealed Weapon over Surprise Attack for better stealth speed; am I still alright, debuff-wise?

Mykah

I think its all viable, I don't spend much time in stealth which is why I opt for the armor debuff, if I spent more time soloing or in a small group I'd consider it an option.

I don't use a charge on 1hs bar, instead opting for silver bolts or crippling grasp to catch runners on my 2hs second bar, because snare and Kb can be used offensively or defensively where as charges are a one way ticket. I suggested the shield charge for this guys 1hs Bow build because of the hard stun which is his only melee CC and his kite potential with Bow gives him enough defense to run unlike my 2h build, but he could swap that out for Silver bolts even to be more defensive, the hard CC on his 1hs bar is the important thing, not so much the gap closer (that's just a bonus since his only melee is 1hs anyways), since hes a swap away from Bow Snipe, Interrupt, and Cripplings snare, catching targets isnt really going to be an issue for him except Sorcs with bolt escape.

I think its really important to have a hard CC on your melee bar if youre running a Melee/Ranged build like this one. NB Teleport is a nice ganker / catch prey tool, but chasing down runners is not really a priority for a 1hs build compared to a hard CC like Shield Charge or Silver Bolts.

Najarati

@Mikah‌ Have you tried Power Bash (I have not) from the 1H/SHLD line as a hard CC over Shield Charge?

Cydone

lao wrote: »

switch leeching strikes for killers blade on ur melee bar in the pvp build. leeching strikes is really nice in pve but in pvp i found it to be not worth it. also change dark cloak to shadowy disguise. dark cloak is absolutely not worth it at all despite what some ppl here will tell you. dont listen to them.

also id suggest going 5 medium 2 heavy but thats not a must since you mostly rely on autocrits anyway. the high crit rate from medium armor comes in handy if some1 manages to get away and u have to bow them down tho.

the consuming darkness thing is arguable. (well not rly) its pretty bad in pvp in most situations if ur fighting anyone not completely braindead as he can just roll out of it. soul harvest is far better in pvp on the melee bar imo. its an extremely cheap ultimate and does massive dmg while also applying a healing debuff. maybe consuming darkness is worth it on the bow bar as another kiting tool.

oh and lol @ switching ambush vs broken marked target. do not even remotely consider that. ambush is the best gap closer in the game as it does sick dmg if used from stealth in the back and also stuns the target for 1.5 secs effectively giving u time to shadowy disguise > suprise attack > heavy attack.

To the bolded. If you are going dps you are right and there's no reason to take dark cloak. But, as I said in another thread, if you're playing around with a healer build, dark cloak is an invaluable tool to use. With immovable + 3 heals, you have self dot remover/LOS breaker, cc/pull immunity and 3 heals. That's a good build, if you ask me.....for a NB healer.

Mykah

No I have not, I'm sure its viable though, that's a great suggestion for timbor to look into.

My 1hs bar is totally defensive while my 2hs has the dps and CC on it.

This is my current build, still working towards Warhorn right now, so in reality that slot is Deathstroke atm. This build is totally group dependent, but awesome on the front line going toe to toe with other tanky DKs.
http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#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

lao

Mykah wrote: »

lao wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

Why does he need a gap closer if his 2nd bar is bow?
Why would he wear medium armor if he wants to be tanky?
Shadow cloak morphed to remove debuffs is the best survival tool a nb has in pvp.
Consuming darkness is amazing in group fights and choke points holding your ground, something he can do in heavy armor with a 1hs Unstoppable and Shadow cloak, the playstyle hes going for.
Soul harvest is a offensive gank skill, something he is not trying to build.
Reaper's mark is amazing because of its 60% heal, something he can utilize with snipe.

Sounds like you enjoy solo NB ganking, which is great and viable, but thats not what hes asking for. The build I suggested is very viable in massive pvp, I use something similar on my pvp 1hs bar and can face tank half a raid on the front line.

Also I told him to swap reapers mark for soul swallow on his bow bar because it compliments snipe, I told him to swap Pierce armor for Ambush on his 1hs bar for a stamina attack that also helps his team do more damage, as a gap closer isnt required for a build that can swap to Bow ranged stun, Cripplings snare, and Snipe for damage.

Your build is great for solo or small group play, but in a massive pvp situation I would much rather have the build I linked as my team mate because he's a frontline tank that makes all of us do more damage where as your an opportunity ganker only capable of picking off stupid targets who are already going to die to our range dpsers.

To each their, both builds have their place, but at the very least you could recognize the validity of other playstyles. In this case the one I recommended works for his desired playstyle, where as you suggested a totally different playstyle he's not looking for and trashed the one I shared out inexperience using it.

he plays the wrong class for the playstyle he wants. this isnt some roleplay game ala skyrim where everything works. this is an mmo. mmos are about maximizing on your characters strengths and minimizing on its weaknesses. if u wanna be a tank then you should roll a tank. just cos the game allows you to twist your character into some role its not meant to be doesnt mean its gonna be effective, or as effective as the class that is meant to fill that role. by deviating from the original purpose of the class your´re effectively gimping it. he said he felt weak in pvp. i was simply pointing out that that is because he is trying to fill a role his class wasnt designed for. can it be viable in derpling pvp? sure, everything can be viable in a zerg. can it be viable in top tier pvp when compared to a DK? lol no. the NB has one specific role it excels at compared to other classes and that is 1v1 or ganking as u call it. why would u try to be anything else and therefor gimping urself? no1 would roll a sorcerer and pretend to be a tank either.

Well have fun following the herd. I've been pvping in mmos long enough (15 years) to know what does and doesn't work. I really don't need some kids advice on how to build characters who insists "play cookie cutter or reroll" straight out of wow faceroll nub arenas.

The thing is this build isn't just viable in a zerg, its designed for a zerg AGAINST another zerg, in fact that's what it excels at, being a front line shield that designates what target is going to die.

DK is OP right now in a vaccum against bad players, but, DK's are only killer if people stand right in front of them in paper builds, kind of like the build you suggested. The build I linked works really well for being a shield wall for the range DPS behind you and leading the charge. A DK has to stand in one spot to do well where as a NB tank can move anywhere, chase a target, run away, and still be a brick wall. Different play styles all together really.

Not to mention, if the other zergs big bad DK comes up and talons/standards, this NB build can go toe to toe with him using Veil, strip his armor, set him up to get owned by range dps, and chain stun him while his team destroys the DK for being cocky. I do it all the time. Stack some fire resist and you will murder 1hs DKs using this build, not just in a gank situation, but in 40v40 siege battle.

k kid. stay a nubcake forever then. im not going to get into an epeen fight with some random kid on a forum. the fact that u even consider 40v40 serious pvp says everything about ur "experience". just another random zergling ^_^

lao

Cydone wrote: »

lao wrote: »

switch leeching strikes for killers blade on ur melee bar in the pvp build. leeching strikes is really nice in pve but in pvp i found it to be not worth it. also change dark cloak to shadowy disguise. dark cloak is absolutely not worth it at all despite what some ppl here will tell you. dont listen to them.

also id suggest going 5 medium 2 heavy but thats not a must since you mostly rely on autocrits anyway. the high crit rate from medium armor comes in handy if some1 manages to get away and u have to bow them down tho.

the consuming darkness thing is arguable. (well not rly) its pretty bad in pvp in most situations if ur fighting anyone not completely braindead as he can just roll out of it. soul harvest is far better in pvp on the melee bar imo. its an extremely cheap ultimate and does massive dmg while also applying a healing debuff. maybe consuming darkness is worth it on the bow bar as another kiting tool.

oh and lol @ switching ambush vs broken marked target. do not even remotely consider that. ambush is the best gap closer in the game as it does sick dmg if used from stealth in the back and also stuns the target for 1.5 secs effectively giving u time to shadowy disguise > suprise attack > heavy attack.

To the bolded. If you are going dps you are right and there's no reason to take dark cloak. But, as I said in another thread, if you're playing around with a healer build, dark cloak is an invaluable tool to use. With immovable + 3 heals, you have self dot remover/LOS breaker, cc/pull immunity and 3 heals. That's a good build, if you ask me.....for a NB healer.

true but why on earth would u go healer on a NB xd

admittingly its better than a sorc or DK healer since stealth is a handy escape tool but then again most ppl in this game dont understand wtf is going on anyways so i doubt most will be like "hey this guy is a healer, maybe we should kill him". guess its good in organized group fights tho.

Cydone

lao wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

lao wrote: »

switch leeching strikes for killers blade on ur melee bar in the pvp build. leeching strikes is really nice in pve but in pvp i found it to be not worth it. also change dark cloak to shadowy disguise. dark cloak is absolutely not worth it at all despite what some ppl here will tell you. dont listen to them.

also id suggest going 5 medium 2 heavy but thats not a must since you mostly rely on autocrits anyway. the high crit rate from medium armor comes in handy if some1 manages to get away and u have to bow them down tho.

the consuming darkness thing is arguable. (well not rly) its pretty bad in pvp in most situations if ur fighting anyone not completely braindead as he can just roll out of it. soul harvest is far better in pvp on the melee bar imo. its an extremely cheap ultimate and does massive dmg while also applying a healing debuff. maybe consuming darkness is worth it on the bow bar as another kiting tool.

oh and lol @ switching ambush vs broken marked target. do not even remotely consider that. ambush is the best gap closer in the game as it does sick dmg if used from stealth in the back and also stuns the target for 1.5 secs effectively giving u time to shadowy disguise > suprise attack > heavy attack.

To the bolded. If you are going dps you are right and there's no reason to take dark cloak. But, as I said in another thread, if you're playing around with a healer build, dark cloak is an invaluable tool to use. With immovable + 3 heals, you have self dot remover/LOS breaker, cc/pull immunity and 3 heals. That's a good build, if you ask me.....for a NB healer.

true but why on earth would u go healer on a NB xd

For ****s and giggles. It's actually a really viable healer setup, tbh.

lao

Cydone wrote: »

lao wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

lao wrote: »

switch leeching strikes for killers blade on ur melee bar in the pvp build. leeching strikes is really nice in pve but in pvp i found it to be not worth it. also change dark cloak to shadowy disguise. dark cloak is absolutely not worth it at all despite what some ppl here will tell you. dont listen to them.

also id suggest going 5 medium 2 heavy but thats not a must since you mostly rely on autocrits anyway. the high crit rate from medium armor comes in handy if some1 manages to get away and u have to bow them down tho.

the consuming darkness thing is arguable. (well not rly) its pretty bad in pvp in most situations if ur fighting anyone not completely braindead as he can just roll out of it. soul harvest is far better in pvp on the melee bar imo. its an extremely cheap ultimate and does massive dmg while also applying a healing debuff. maybe consuming darkness is worth it on the bow bar as another kiting tool.

oh and lol @ switching ambush vs broken marked target. do not even remotely consider that. ambush is the best gap closer in the game as it does sick dmg if used from stealth in the back and also stuns the target for 1.5 secs effectively giving u time to shadowy disguise > suprise attack > heavy attack.

To the bolded. If you are going dps you are right and there's no reason to take dark cloak. But, as I said in another thread, if you're playing around with a healer build, dark cloak is an invaluable tool to use. With immovable + 3 heals, you have self dot remover/LOS breaker, cc/pull immunity and 3 heals. That's a good build, if you ask me.....for a NB healer.

true but why on earth would u go healer on a NB xd

For ****s and giggles. It's actually a really viable healer setup, tbh.

it might be yea. stealth on a healing class is pretty nice. kinda like the ops healer in swtor.

Cydone

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Cydone wrote: »

lao wrote: »

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switch leeching strikes for killers blade on ur melee bar in the pvp build. leeching strikes is really nice in pve but in pvp i found it to be not worth it. also change dark cloak to shadowy disguise. dark cloak is absolutely not worth it at all despite what some ppl here will tell you. dont listen to them.

also id suggest going 5 medium 2 heavy but thats not a must since you mostly rely on autocrits anyway. the high crit rate from medium armor comes in handy if some1 manages to get away and u have to bow them down tho.

the consuming darkness thing is arguable. (well not rly) its pretty bad in pvp in most situations if ur fighting anyone not completely braindead as he can just roll out of it. soul harvest is far better in pvp on the melee bar imo. its an extremely cheap ultimate and does massive dmg while also applying a healing debuff. maybe consuming darkness is worth it on the bow bar as another kiting tool.

oh and lol @ switching ambush vs broken marked target. do not even remotely consider that. ambush is the best gap closer in the game as it does sick dmg if used from stealth in the back and also stuns the target for 1.5 secs effectively giving u time to shadowy disguise > suprise attack > heavy attack.

To the bolded. If you are going dps you are right and there's no reason to take dark cloak. But, as I said in another thread, if you're playing around with a healer build, dark cloak is an invaluable tool to use. With immovable + 3 heals, you have self dot remover/LOS breaker, cc/pull immunity and 3 heals. That's a good build, if you ask me.....for a NB healer.

true but why on earth would u go healer on a NB xd

For ****s and giggles. It's actually a really viable healer setup, tbh.

it might be yea. stealth on a healing class is pretty nice. kinda like the ops healer in swtor.

In theory, yeah. But nothing near the mobility/survivability that OP healer has in SWTOR.

Mykah

lao wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

lao wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

Why does he need a gap closer if his 2nd bar is bow?
Why would he wear medium armor if he wants to be tanky?
Shadow cloak morphed to remove debuffs is the best survival tool a nb has in pvp.
Consuming darkness is amazing in group fights and choke points holding your ground, something he can do in heavy armor with a 1hs Unstoppable and Shadow cloak, the playstyle hes going for.
Soul harvest is a offensive gank skill, something he is not trying to build.
Reaper's mark is amazing because of its 60% heal, something he can utilize with snipe.

Sounds like you enjoy solo NB ganking, which is great and viable, but thats not what hes asking for. The build I suggested is very viable in massive pvp, I use something similar on my pvp 1hs bar and can face tank half a raid on the front line.

Also I told him to swap reapers mark for soul swallow on his bow bar because it compliments snipe, I told him to swap Pierce armor for Ambush on his 1hs bar for a stamina attack that also helps his team do more damage, as a gap closer isnt required for a build that can swap to Bow ranged stun, Cripplings snare, and Snipe for damage.

Your build is great for solo or small group play, but in a massive pvp situation I would much rather have the build I linked as my team mate because he's a frontline tank that makes all of us do more damage where as your an opportunity ganker only capable of picking off stupid targets who are already going to die to our range dpsers.

To each their, both builds have their place, but at the very least you could recognize the validity of other playstyles. In this case the one I recommended works for his desired playstyle, where as you suggested a totally different playstyle he's not looking for and trashed the one I shared out inexperience using it.

he plays the wrong class for the playstyle he wants. this isnt some roleplay game ala skyrim where everything works. this is an mmo. mmos are about maximizing on your characters strengths and minimizing on its weaknesses. if u wanna be a tank then you should roll a tank. just cos the game allows you to twist your character into some role its not meant to be doesnt mean its gonna be effective, or as effective as the class that is meant to fill that role. by deviating from the original purpose of the class your´re effectively gimping it. he said he felt weak in pvp. i was simply pointing out that that is because he is trying to fill a role his class wasnt designed for. can it be viable in derpling pvp? sure, everything can be viable in a zerg. can it be viable in top tier pvp when compared to a DK? lol no. the NB has one specific role it excels at compared to other classes and that is 1v1 or ganking as u call it. why would u try to be anything else and therefor gimping urself? no1 would roll a sorcerer and pretend to be a tank either.

Well have fun following the herd. I've been pvping in mmos long enough (15 years) to know what does and doesn't work. I really don't need some kids advice on how to build characters who insists "play cookie cutter or reroll" straight out of wow faceroll nub arenas.

The thing is this build isn't just viable in a zerg, its designed for a zerg AGAINST another zerg, in fact that's what it excels at, being a front line shield that designates what target is going to die.

DK is OP right now in a vaccum against bad players, but, DK's are only killer if people stand right in front of them in paper builds, kind of like the build you suggested. The build I linked works really well for being a shield wall for the range DPS behind you and leading the charge. A DK has to stand in one spot to do well where as a NB tank can move anywhere, chase a target, run away, and still be a brick wall. Different play styles all together really.

Not to mention, if the other zergs big bad DK comes up and talons/standards, this NB build can go toe to toe with him using Veil, strip his armor, set him up to get owned by range dps, and chain stun him while his team destroys the DK for being cocky. I do it all the time. Stack some fire resist and you will murder 1hs DKs using this build, not just in a gank situation, but in 40v40 siege battle.

k kid. stay a nubcake forever then. im not going to get into an epeen fight with some random kid on a forum. the fact that u even consider 40v40 serious pvp says everything about ur "experience". just another random zergling ^_^

I can tell when someone never played Daoc because they look down on large group fights with some sort of dillusional elitism they picked up from Wotlk WoW in the past 3 years when that game really became a total joke.

You don't understand the real tactics behind organized massive pvp because you are a no name solo gamer child without a massive pvp community, I pvp in a dedicated group of players who have roles, leaders calling targets, tertiary gank groups running interference, you know, actual strategy.

I can understand how from the outside looking in you just see a mindless zerg, and often it can devolve into that, but this is simply not the case when I log in and play with my guild.

Have fun ganking solo targets off their horses with your cookie cutter gank blade and "guild" youve been in for a few months before you guys move to another game or graduate highschool.

The purpose of my posting here was not to bicker with some dime a dozen leet speak wannabe, and its unfortunate youve tried so hard to derail the thread preaching cookie cutter nonsense in butchered english.

For the NBs reading this, don't let this trash discourage you. The builds that shine in massive pvp are the ones built for massive pvp. Be creative and think outside the box. When you end up compromising your desired playstyle for someone elses definition of cool is when you end up with a watered down build. Just go all out there, try everything, pvp with folks who support your playstyle, not ones who trash talk you into their cookie cutter one dimensional gameplan.

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO

Okay this is what I will try out for now, again thanks for the feedbacks from you guys
PVP
PVE

lao

Mykah wrote: »

lao wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

lao wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

Why does he need a gap closer if his 2nd bar is bow?
Why would he wear medium armor if he wants to be tanky?
Shadow cloak morphed to remove debuffs is the best survival tool a nb has in pvp.
Consuming darkness is amazing in group fights and choke points holding your ground, something he can do in heavy armor with a 1hs Unstoppable and Shadow cloak, the playstyle hes going for.
Soul harvest is a offensive gank skill, something he is not trying to build.
Reaper's mark is amazing because of its 60% heal, something he can utilize with snipe.

Sounds like you enjoy solo NB ganking, which is great and viable, but thats not what hes asking for. The build I suggested is very viable in massive pvp, I use something similar on my pvp 1hs bar and can face tank half a raid on the front line.

Also I told him to swap reapers mark for soul swallow on his bow bar because it compliments snipe, I told him to swap Pierce armor for Ambush on his 1hs bar for a stamina attack that also helps his team do more damage, as a gap closer isnt required for a build that can swap to Bow ranged stun, Cripplings snare, and Snipe for damage.

Your build is great for solo or small group play, but in a massive pvp situation I would much rather have the build I linked as my team mate because he's a frontline tank that makes all of us do more damage where as your an opportunity ganker only capable of picking off stupid targets who are already going to die to our range dpsers.

To each their, both builds have their place, but at the very least you could recognize the validity of other playstyles. In this case the one I recommended works for his desired playstyle, where as you suggested a totally different playstyle he's not looking for and trashed the one I shared out inexperience using it.

he plays the wrong class for the playstyle he wants. this isnt some roleplay game ala skyrim where everything works. this is an mmo. mmos are about maximizing on your characters strengths and minimizing on its weaknesses. if u wanna be a tank then you should roll a tank. just cos the game allows you to twist your character into some role its not meant to be doesnt mean its gonna be effective, or as effective as the class that is meant to fill that role. by deviating from the original purpose of the class your´re effectively gimping it. he said he felt weak in pvp. i was simply pointing out that that is because he is trying to fill a role his class wasnt designed for. can it be viable in derpling pvp? sure, everything can be viable in a zerg. can it be viable in top tier pvp when compared to a DK? lol no. the NB has one specific role it excels at compared to other classes and that is 1v1 or ganking as u call it. why would u try to be anything else and therefor gimping urself? no1 would roll a sorcerer and pretend to be a tank either.

Well have fun following the herd. I've been pvping in mmos long enough (15 years) to know what does and doesn't work. I really don't need some kids advice on how to build characters who insists "play cookie cutter or reroll" straight out of wow faceroll nub arenas.

The thing is this build isn't just viable in a zerg, its designed for a zerg AGAINST another zerg, in fact that's what it excels at, being a front line shield that designates what target is going to die.

DK is OP right now in a vaccum against bad players, but, DK's are only killer if people stand right in front of them in paper builds, kind of like the build you suggested. The build I linked works really well for being a shield wall for the range DPS behind you and leading the charge. A DK has to stand in one spot to do well where as a NB tank can move anywhere, chase a target, run away, and still be a brick wall. Different play styles all together really.

Not to mention, if the other zergs big bad DK comes up and talons/standards, this NB build can go toe to toe with him using Veil, strip his armor, set him up to get owned by range dps, and chain stun him while his team destroys the DK for being cocky. I do it all the time. Stack some fire resist and you will murder 1hs DKs using this build, not just in a gank situation, but in 40v40 siege battle.

k kid. stay a nubcake forever then. im not going to get into an epeen fight with some random kid on a forum. the fact that u even consider 40v40 serious pvp says everything about ur "experience". just another random zergling ^_^

I can tell when someone never played Daoc because they look down on large group fights with some sort of dillusional elitism they picked up from Wotlk WoW in the past 3 years when that game really became a total joke.

You don't understand the real tactics behind organized massive pvp because you are a no name solo gamer child without a massive pvp community, I pvp in a dedicated group of players who have roles, leaders calling targets, tertiary gank groups running interference, you know, actual strategy.

I can understand how from the outside looking in you just see a mindless zerg, and often it can devolve into that, but this is simply not the case when I log in and play with my guild.

Have fun ganking solo targets off their horses with your cookie cutter gank blade and "guild" youve been in for a few months before you guys move to another game or graduate highschool.

The purpose of my posting here was not to bicker with some dime a dozen leet speak wannabe, and its unfortunate youve tried so hard to derail the thread preaching cookie cutter nonsense in butchered english.

For the NBs reading this, don't let this trash discourage you. The builds that shine in massive pvp are the ones built for massive pvp. Be creative and think outside the box. When you end up compromising your desired playstyle for someone elses definition of cool is when you end up with a watered down build. Just go all out there, try everything, pvp with folks who support your playstyle, not ones who trash talk you into their cookie cutter one dimensional gameplan.

HAHAHAHAHAH

u have no idea who ur talking to kid. ive played daoc 8v8 on the highest level for over a decade. that u even mention large scale and daoc in the same sentence as if that was the point of the game just shows what a delusional jerk you truely are. what guild were u in? fellowship of midgard?, guardians of light? or even more trash than that?

doesnt matter, id smoke u without any effort 8v8, 1v1, 8v40 u pick.

PS: let me know when u became a factor

Zubba

I have a bigger forum axe than you. So have a seat Before I omgwtfforumteabagya

Mykah

lao wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

lao wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

lao wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

Why does he need a gap closer if his 2nd bar is bow?
Why would he wear medium armor if he wants to be tanky?
Shadow cloak morphed to remove debuffs is the best survival tool a nb has in pvp.
Consuming darkness is amazing in group fights and choke points holding your ground, something he can do in heavy armor with a 1hs Unstoppable and Shadow cloak, the playstyle hes going for.
Soul harvest is a offensive gank skill, something he is not trying to build.
Reaper's mark is amazing because of its 60% heal, something he can utilize with snipe.

Sounds like you enjoy solo NB ganking, which is great and viable, but thats not what hes asking for. The build I suggested is very viable in massive pvp, I use something similar on my pvp 1hs bar and can face tank half a raid on the front line.

Also I told him to swap reapers mark for soul swallow on his bow bar because it compliments snipe, I told him to swap Pierce armor for Ambush on his 1hs bar for a stamina attack that also helps his team do more damage, as a gap closer isnt required for a build that can swap to Bow ranged stun, Cripplings snare, and Snipe for damage.

Your build is great for solo or small group play, but in a massive pvp situation I would much rather have the build I linked as my team mate because he's a frontline tank that makes all of us do more damage where as your an opportunity ganker only capable of picking off stupid targets who are already going to die to our range dpsers.

To each their, both builds have their place, but at the very least you could recognize the validity of other playstyles. In this case the one I recommended works for his desired playstyle, where as you suggested a totally different playstyle he's not looking for and trashed the one I shared out inexperience using it.

he plays the wrong class for the playstyle he wants. this isnt some roleplay game ala skyrim where everything works. this is an mmo. mmos are about maximizing on your characters strengths and minimizing on its weaknesses. if u wanna be a tank then you should roll a tank. just cos the game allows you to twist your character into some role its not meant to be doesnt mean its gonna be effective, or as effective as the class that is meant to fill that role. by deviating from the original purpose of the class your´re effectively gimping it. he said he felt weak in pvp. i was simply pointing out that that is because he is trying to fill a role his class wasnt designed for. can it be viable in derpling pvp? sure, everything can be viable in a zerg. can it be viable in top tier pvp when compared to a DK? lol no. the NB has one specific role it excels at compared to other classes and that is 1v1 or ganking as u call it. why would u try to be anything else and therefor gimping urself? no1 would roll a sorcerer and pretend to be a tank either.

Well have fun following the herd. I've been pvping in mmos long enough (15 years) to know what does and doesn't work. I really don't need some kids advice on how to build characters who insists "play cookie cutter or reroll" straight out of wow faceroll nub arenas.

The thing is this build isn't just viable in a zerg, its designed for a zerg AGAINST another zerg, in fact that's what it excels at, being a front line shield that designates what target is going to die.

DK is OP right now in a vaccum against bad players, but, DK's are only killer if people stand right in front of them in paper builds, kind of like the build you suggested. The build I linked works really well for being a shield wall for the range DPS behind you and leading the charge. A DK has to stand in one spot to do well where as a NB tank can move anywhere, chase a target, run away, and still be a brick wall. Different play styles all together really.

Not to mention, if the other zergs big bad DK comes up and talons/standards, this NB build can go toe to toe with him using Veil, strip his armor, set him up to get owned by range dps, and chain stun him while his team destroys the DK for being cocky. I do it all the time. Stack some fire resist and you will murder 1hs DKs using this build, not just in a gank situation, but in 40v40 siege battle.

k kid. stay a nubcake forever then. im not going to get into an epeen fight with some random kid on a forum. the fact that u even consider 40v40 serious pvp says everything about ur "experience". just another random zergling ^_^

I can tell when someone never played Daoc because they look down on large group fights with some sort of dillusional elitism they picked up from Wotlk WoW in the past 3 years when that game really became a total joke.

You don't understand the real tactics behind organized massive pvp because you are a no name solo gamer child without a massive pvp community, I pvp in a dedicated group of players who have roles, leaders calling targets, tertiary gank groups running interference, you know, actual strategy.

I can understand how from the outside looking in you just see a mindless zerg, and often it can devolve into that, but this is simply not the case when I log in and play with my guild.

Have fun ganking solo targets off their horses with your cookie cutter gank blade and "guild" youve been in for a few months before you guys move to another game or graduate highschool.

The purpose of my posting here was not to bicker with some dime a dozen leet speak wannabe, and its unfortunate youve tried so hard to derail the thread preaching cookie cutter nonsense in butchered english.

For the NBs reading this, don't let this trash discourage you. The builds that shine in massive pvp are the ones built for massive pvp. Be creative and think outside the box. When you end up compromising your desired playstyle for someone elses definition of cool is when you end up with a watered down build. Just go all out there, try everything, pvp with folks who support your playstyle, not ones who trash talk you into their cookie cutter one dimensional gameplan.

HAHAHAHAHAH

u have no idea who ur talking to kid. ive played daoc 8v8 on the highest level for over a decade. that u even mention large scale and daoc in the same sentence as if that was the point of the game just shows what a delusional jerk you truely are. what guild were u in? fellowship of midgard?, guardians of light? or even more trash than that?

doesnt matter, id smoke u without any effort 8v8, 1v1, 8v40 u pick.

PS: let me know when u became a factor

Why are you even here man? The guy is asking for a PvP NB tank group build because he's dying in sieges. That's what I gave him.
Telling him to play gankblade or reroll isn't advice, its boring cookie cutter regurgitation.

I'm not going to claim who's going to win in a duel because I've never seen you PvP, but in all honesty I'm a twitch head who plays console fighters for fun, I would give any player a run for their money, you flopping an imaginary peen around a forum to prove your cookie cutter authority is pathetic and I don't really see the point. "I'm cookie cuttrr leet! Ur stupd nub cakez for not being cookie cuttrr! I play Daoc 10y!" Like lol seriously?

I've met so so so many angry nerds in my years pvping that claim to be this or that who in reality are just trash when it comes right down to playerskill. Usually the more vocal about it the worse they actually are 1v1. You're egotistical in the nerdy delusional way but unintelligent and uncreative, a thrilling combination for your left hand I'm sure. Save the epeen for another thread, no one cares.

PS. You you're and your... one is a pronoun, one is a compound word, one is a possessive pronoun, as in: You sound like an idiot when you're claiming to be an adult but your grammer is terrible.

lao

Mykah wrote: »

lao wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

lao wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

lao wrote: »

Mykah wrote: »

Why does he need a gap closer if his 2nd bar is bow?
Why would he wear medium armor if he wants to be tanky?
Shadow cloak morphed to remove debuffs is the best survival tool a nb has in pvp.
Consuming darkness is amazing in group fights and choke points holding your ground, something he can do in heavy armor with a 1hs Unstoppable and Shadow cloak, the playstyle hes going for.
Soul harvest is a offensive gank skill, something he is not trying to build.
Reaper's mark is amazing because of its 60% heal, something he can utilize with snipe.

Sounds like you enjoy solo NB ganking, which is great and viable, but thats not what hes asking for. The build I suggested is very viable in massive pvp, I use something similar on my pvp 1hs bar and can face tank half a raid on the front line.

Also I told him to swap reapers mark for soul swallow on his bow bar because it compliments snipe, I told him to swap Pierce armor for Ambush on his 1hs bar for a stamina attack that also helps his team do more damage, as a gap closer isnt required for a build that can swap to Bow ranged stun, Cripplings snare, and Snipe for damage.

Your build is great for solo or small group play, but in a massive pvp situation I would much rather have the build I linked as my team mate because he's a frontline tank that makes all of us do more damage where as your an opportunity ganker only capable of picking off stupid targets who are already going to die to our range dpsers.

To each their, both builds have their place, but at the very least you could recognize the validity of other playstyles. In this case the one I recommended works for his desired playstyle, where as you suggested a totally different playstyle he's not looking for and trashed the one I shared out inexperience using it.

he plays the wrong class for the playstyle he wants. this isnt some roleplay game ala skyrim where everything works. this is an mmo. mmos are about maximizing on your characters strengths and minimizing on its weaknesses. if u wanna be a tank then you should roll a tank. just cos the game allows you to twist your character into some role its not meant to be doesnt mean its gonna be effective, or as effective as the class that is meant to fill that role. by deviating from the original purpose of the class your´re effectively gimping it. he said he felt weak in pvp. i was simply pointing out that that is because he is trying to fill a role his class wasnt designed for. can it be viable in derpling pvp? sure, everything can be viable in a zerg. can it be viable in top tier pvp when compared to a DK? lol no. the NB has one specific role it excels at compared to other classes and that is 1v1 or ganking as u call it. why would u try to be anything else and therefor gimping urself? no1 would roll a sorcerer and pretend to be a tank either.

Well have fun following the herd. I've been pvping in mmos long enough (15 years) to know what does and doesn't work. I really don't need some kids advice on how to build characters who insists "play cookie cutter or reroll" straight out of wow faceroll nub arenas.

The thing is this build isn't just viable in a zerg, its designed for a zerg AGAINST another zerg, in fact that's what it excels at, being a front line shield that designates what target is going to die.

DK is OP right now in a vaccum against bad players, but, DK's are only killer if people stand right in front of them in paper builds, kind of like the build you suggested. The build I linked works really well for being a shield wall for the range DPS behind you and leading the charge. A DK has to stand in one spot to do well where as a NB tank can move anywhere, chase a target, run away, and still be a brick wall. Different play styles all together really.

Not to mention, if the other zergs big bad DK comes up and talons/standards, this NB build can go toe to toe with him using Veil, strip his armor, set him up to get owned by range dps, and chain stun him while his team destroys the DK for being cocky. I do it all the time. Stack some fire resist and you will murder 1hs DKs using this build, not just in a gank situation, but in 40v40 siege battle.

k kid. stay a nubcake forever then. im not going to get into an epeen fight with some random kid on a forum. the fact that u even consider 40v40 serious pvp says everything about ur "experience". just another random zergling ^_^

I can tell when someone never played Daoc because they look down on large group fights with some sort of dillusional elitism they picked up from Wotlk WoW in the past 3 years when that game really became a total joke.

You don't understand the real tactics behind organized massive pvp because you are a no name solo gamer child without a massive pvp community, I pvp in a dedicated group of players who have roles, leaders calling targets, tertiary gank groups running interference, you know, actual strategy.

I can understand how from the outside looking in you just see a mindless zerg, and often it can devolve into that, but this is simply not the case when I log in and play with my guild.

Have fun ganking solo targets off their horses with your cookie cutter gank blade and "guild" youve been in for a few months before you guys move to another game or graduate highschool.

The purpose of my posting here was not to bicker with some dime a dozen leet speak wannabe, and its unfortunate youve tried so hard to derail the thread preaching cookie cutter nonsense in butchered english.

For the NBs reading this, don't let this trash discourage you. The builds that shine in massive pvp are the ones built for massive pvp. Be creative and think outside the box. When you end up compromising your desired playstyle for someone elses definition of cool is when you end up with a watered down build. Just go all out there, try everything, pvp with folks who support your playstyle, not ones who trash talk you into their cookie cutter one dimensional gameplan.

HAHAHAHAHAH

u have no idea who ur talking to kid. ive played daoc 8v8 on the highest level for over a decade. that u even mention large scale and daoc in the same sentence as if that was the point of the game just shows what a delusional jerk you truely are. what guild were u in? fellowship of midgard?, guardians of light? or even more trash than that?

doesnt matter, id smoke u without any effort 8v8, 1v1, 8v40 u pick.

PS: let me know when u became a factor

Why are you even here man? The guy is asking for a PvP NB tank group build because he's dying in sieges. That's what I gave him.
Telling him to play gankblade or reroll isn't advice, its boring cookie cutter regurgitation.

I'm not going to claim who's going to win in a duel because I've never seen you PvP, but in all honesty I'm a twitch head who plays console fighters for fun, I would give any player a run for their money, you flopping an imaginary peen around a forum to prove your cookie cutter authority is pathetic and I don't really see the point. "I'm cookie cuttrr leet! Ur stupd nub cakez for not being cookie cuttrr! I play Daoc 10y!" Like lol seriously?

I've met so so so many angry nerds in my years pvping that claim to be this or that who in reality are just trash when it comes right down to playerskill. Usually the more vocal about it the worse they actually are 1v1. You're egotistical in the nerdy delusional way but unintelligent and uncreative, a thrilling combination for your left hand I'm sure. Save the epeen for another thread, no one cares.

PS. You you're and your... one is a pronoun, one is a compound word, one is a possessive pronoun, as in: You sound like an idiot when you're claiming to be an adult but your grammer is terrible.

oh are you refering to grammar mistakes now that u run out of arguments? that just makes you fit the stereotype of the angry noob even more. sry i dont care enough to type flawless english on the internet. i could but its hardly worth the effort.

anyways ur (yes ur, problem? i could make it ur´re if it bothers you that much) probably the type of guy who ran a void eld and thought its cool cos its different. or maybe an earth wizard? how about a matter sorc? see where this is going? all that is just stuff u dont even consider if ur (yep again) remotely decent at pvp.

i could now go on and upload some of the vids ive made over the years or just link some vids others made who were in my groups/guilds. theres actually a rather recent one from a freeshard but its not my pov as it was recorded entirely by our bm so theres not much point to show it to you. regarding 1v1 well lets put it this way, i havent played 1v1 in daoc in a very long time but when i did last time there was maybe 5 ppl in the game left that could beat me more than 1 out of 10 and zero who could beat me more than i beat them. i had 5 or 6 different lone enforcers over the years and won several player-organized tournaments. (both 8v8 and 1v1) due to the nature of rvr those were ofc held on a freeshard where the rules who can fight who could be bend. (same realm etc) ive played with pretty much every good player that played english servers in daoc at some point over the years and the few i didnt play with i still know from irc. so if u were good and played excalibur or prydwen theres a very high chance id know you.