Fed Up of 'NERF' Threads

Rackiera

Suggestion, no one should shout NERF on any class or skill line until they are VR10, pvp in an organised group on comms, and have at least 500,000 alliance points.

Once you get the above done you will have a much clearer understanding of how each class has its role, each class has its benefits to a raid and how they work together.

If your trying to compete in a pug not on voice comms, unless you have 2-3* our numbers you will die.

We have a complete mix of classes and skill lines and yes there maybe some tweaks needing doing overall we don't have anyone who thinks their class does not contribute to the team effort in pvp.

So please, experience more pvp, join an organised guild, then you will have the experience to shout 'NERF' on the 'real' issues, bat swarm was one, but its fixed..

Kililin

While i agree with you about the nerf posts, your post is condescending and you fail to acknowledge that there are other playstyles than organised group pvp. In my opinion pvp is not the focus, much less highly organised PVP. Most players are PVE players.

So i think your post is not helpful, it will just generate go *** yourself responses because of the attitude.
Except it was meant to grab reactions, not to say troll, than its great

HazardousNovex

I totally agree with the OP, so many people are whingeing because they have absolutely no skill in the game.

This is my reaction to seeing those threads.

http://youtu.be/RFZrzg62Zj0

Rackiera

My post is directed to encourage more pvp , people to have more fun in pvp and get pvp to be better.

'Most players are PVE players', exactly my point, if a mainly PVE player tries PVP without being in an organised raid or solo the experience is completely different.

There are many guilds who do PVE content as needed but the main focus is PVP, our guild is PVP focused 80% of time with PVE for the quiet times, gear upgrades or crafting.

Mykah

Rackiera whats your class and how long have you been Pvping in MMOs?

What was your first Pvp game?

Nox_Aeterna

Mykah wrote: »

Rackiera whats your class and how long have you been Pvping in MMOs?

What was your first Pvp game?

This is what i want to know.

Rackiera

Sorc, pure, non vamp, light armor. - Have always played mage class, literally every game.

PVP in MUD's - Text Only with 28800 dial up modem

First real MMO - Ultima Online - Best ever PVP, full loot sandbox open world

Been Pvping a long time ..

Rackiera

as a PS, our raid leader is Templar, we have as many NB as Sorcs and very few DK, just reiterating that all classes have a role, some may be great 1-1 but we don't fight 1-1 we fight as a team with synergies etc.

Nox_Aeterna

Rackiera wrote: »

as a PS, our raid leader is Templar, we have as many NB as Sorcs and very few DK, just reiterating that all classes have a role, some may be great 1-1 but we don't fight 1-1 we fight as a team with synergies etc.

And i can assure you , until there is a degree of balance in 1x1 , people WILL complain.

It is that simple.

PS: i dont even care about 1x1 that much , but the fact that the DK and the sorc are much better off than me is so freaking clear , that i cant let it pass.

that 1.1 better solve this.

Mykah

Thanks for the response, you passed my criteria for being taken seriously.

I can see your point, though there's some stuff that needs to get toned downed, the nerf crys are always uneducated, in the same vein the people defending bat swarm stacking are dilusional.

I for one would like to see Bolt Escape require a enemy within a 25 radius to use, playing a sorc I'm sure you would not, but they can balance that kind of stuff after fixing Talons and dealing with the NB bugs..

Rackiera

@ Nox, The PVP is not designed for 1-1 nor should it be, but you are right people will complain.

However they will also have much more fun if they join an organised pvp guild or a PVE guild that does some occasional PVP.

Some of the posts about 'my class is weak' wouldn't be there if they saw how much benefit some of their unique class skills could bring to a raid.

Jarnhand

There are 2 kinds of nerf threads:
1- 'I got killed in PvP and I want everyone else to get nerfed so I can roflpwn everyone, so I can sleep happily at night'
2- 'The class/skill/whatever xxx is unbalanced/OPed and need to be balanced'

We can all be in category 1 at times, I know I am at times. Because somethings we are just not prepared for xxx, and it looks OPed at the moment. But this may change if we have all the facts about the information, and also take a look at what we did in the fight/event/etc.

Number 2 is important, and what any MMO company NEED to listen to, and this need to be reported. We just need to be as objective as possible, and say it like it is, no matter if it also hurts 'our' class/skill/etc. What is in this category is what happens over and over and over, so there is little doubt about it being a problem.

RaZaddha

Rackiera wrote: »

Suggestion, no one should shout NERF on any class or skill line until they are VR10, pvp in an organised group on comms, and have at least 500,000 alliance points.

Once you get the above done you will have a much clearer understanding of how each class has its role, each class has its benefits to a raid and how they work together.

If your trying to compete in a pug not on voice comms, unless you have 2-3* our numbers you will die.

We have a complete mix of classes and skill lines and yes there maybe some tweaks needing doing overall we don't have anyone who thinks their class does not contribute to the team effort in pvp.

So please, experience more pvp, join an organised guild, then you will have the experience to shout 'NERF' on the 'real' issues, bat swarm was one, but its fixed..

No... No, just no... No. Theres just so many things wrong with your post its hard to think of something to say.

Rackiera

@ Jarn , agree totally, Bat Swarm is best example, but from experience I cannot think of another that falls into the same category as that despite all the various NERF threads.

Rackiera

@ Mykah , that change wouldn't bother me, don't really use bolt much, its not on my bar most of the time, heals are cone or radius, all I do is bolt out of healing range, get rooted and die ..

Niffo

Bat Swarm on its own was not overpowered, in the hands of a DK or Sorc with ultimate cost reduction is what made it overpowered. The nerf to vampires did nothing to address the actual issue and will just lead to other strong ultimates being spammed.

Rackiera

@Jobo, Agree partially, but the Bat ultimate was by far the most powerful, nothing I have as a Sorc comes close, I cannot comment on DK I have no idea if their ultimate is comparable.

Niffo

If ultimate cost reduction was hard capped and you couldn't generate ultimate points while an ultimate was currently in use, it would have done far more for the game overall than hitting vampires with a poorly thought out nerf.

Rackiera

@ Jobo, can't all classes generate ultimate points when an ultimate is in use..

Surely its the ultimate that's the issue then not the generating of points ..

However as the change you suggest affects every class then I guess I actually agree, for me personally it wouldn't matter if they implemented that. At least if it affects every class then that is some form of balance.

Oblongship

Rackiera wrote: »

Suggestion, no one should shout NERF on any class or skill line until they are VR10, pvp in an organised group on comms, and have at least 500,000 alliance points.

Once you get the above done you will have a much clearer understanding of how each class has its role, each class has its benefits to a raid and how they work together.

If your trying to compete in a pug not on voice comms, unless you have 2-3* our numbers you will die.

We have a complete mix of classes and skill lines and yes there maybe some tweaks needing doing overall we don't have anyone who thinks their class does not contribute to the team effort in pvp.

So please, experience more pvp, join an organised guild, then you will have the experience to shout 'NERF' on the 'real' issues, bat swarm was one, but its fixed..

I'm fed up with posts complaining about other posts complaining...

Niffo

Rackiera wrote: »

@ Jobo, can't all classes generate ultimate points when an ultimate is in use..

Surely its the ultimate that's the issue then not the generating of points ..

However as the change you suggest affects every class then I guess I actually agree, for me personally it wouldn't matter if they implemented that. At least if it affects every class then that is some form of balance.

Yes, all classes can generate ultimate while they have an ultimate in use, which makes it easier to cast ultimates more frequently. If you had a hard cap and the inability to generate ultimate while an ultimate was in use it would make Bat Swarm perfectly fine since there would be no way to get the cost low enough to spam it and have it up almost immediately since the cost is so low.

Hard capping ultimate reduction to 40-50% would mean Bat Swarm has a 100 point cost which is higher than what you can currently get with the nerf and for the duration of the cast you would generate no ultimate so once it finished there would be time inbetween casts to counter the swarmer.

xhrit

Rackiera wrote: »

Suggestion, no one should shout NERF on any class or skill line until they are VR10, pvp in an organised group on comms, and have at least 500,000 alliance points.

So you are saying I should stop pvping and go grind 8 levels in pve before I tell you that there are some imba skills?

NordJitsu

I'm also fed up with these threads.

Bats Swarm has been fixed.

Now we just need the fix to Immobilize/Root abilities, which they've already said is incoming.

Templars are getting a massive buff to self healing in 1.1 as well as magicka management through Channeling Focus.

Night Blades are getting a massive buff by having their bugged class skills fixed.

After that, we're pretty much done. GG, balanced game.

Nothing to see here.

Except for maaaaaaaybe a hard cap on Ultimate reduction.

Aimelin

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Rackiera wrote: »

as a PS, our raid leader is Templar, we have as many NB as Sorcs and very few DK, just reiterating that all classes have a role, some may be great 1-1 but we don't fight 1-1 we fight as a team with synergies etc.

And i can assure you , until there is a degree of balance in 1x1 , people WILL complain.

It is that simple.

PS: i dont even care about 1x1 that much , but the fact that the DK and the sorc are much better off than me is so freaking clear , that i cant let it pass.

that 1.1 better solve this.

and what class/setup/lvl/etc are you running then? thats what i would like to know