The Disappearance of Racial Motifs

Zeeed

Them daedric ones are selling for around 300k now on EU.
Not that people are selling them for 300k
People are Yelling that they will buy one for 300k as they are trying to sell those for 400k !!!!

That was last evening

Nox_Aeterna

oh well , i gave getting any of the veteran motifs lols , im vet9 , never saw even one of those drop hah.

It is really absurd now.

stawberi

Heh... I'm about ready to give up on getting a daedric motif. Should've bought one back when people were selling them...

Drachenfier

Zeeed wrote: »

Them daedric ones are selling for around 300k now on EU.
Not that people are selling them for 300k
People are Yelling that they will buy one for 300k as they are trying to sell those for 400k !!!!

That was last evening

Devs really screwed the pooch with this change. Still not sure what the point of nerfing the drop rate was to begin with.

LonePirate

Drachenfier wrote: »

Zeeed wrote: »

Them daedric ones are selling for around 300k now on EU.
Not that people are selling them for 300k
People are Yelling that they will buy one for 300k as they are trying to sell those for 400k !!!!

That was last evening

Devs really screwed the pooch with this change. Still not sure what the point of nerfing the drop rate was to begin with.

I am baffled by this as well. If the intent was to combat spammers and inflated prices, then the nerf is the exact opposite of what should have been done. The drop rate should have been buffed tremendously thus satisfying market demand. If the intent was to reduce the supply thus making it more difficult for the spammers or exploiters to abuse the system, then it backfired because it only drove up prices even more and created an unhappy player base.

The optimal solution would have been to increase the drop rate modestly and limit the rare books to successive VR zones. ZOS should give players an incentive or reward for reaching and exploring the VR zones while keeping the supply reasonable in order to deter spammers and inflated prices.

leandro.800ub17_ESO

Increase the drop rate of motifs around small camps and bags scattered in the world . the drop rate of these inside major cities should have always been low

kasain

NO, basic ones should of been like they are, search and find.

Adv ones should of been through hard quest or new quest line, a crafting line or something as you skill up you get to choose one.

Crafting needs an over hall. For most people they are left blind in it. Npcs should sell lvl 1-10 items. And they should make a npc for each craft. If you get it up tem or even 25 levels you get one book o choose o r at random.

This would encourage people to pick up crafting, and actually have a few achievements or quest that would actually give something worth while. And kill off the bots 300k books.

Tarukmockto

This all becomes a non-issue if the rare motifs were bind on pickup. Increase the drop rate a bit, so everyone has a better chance of finding some. Rare is rare. No farming. No botting. No price gouging. The RNG rules.

SDZald

It is clear motifs are important to people. I don't understand why there aren't Crafting quests. Give the players the ability to obtain the needed crafting items without having to either buy them from spammers or wait to get lucky.

Xupacabra

I didnt saw a mofit maybe around 2 weeks and today i loot 2 of them..

AlexCala7b14_ESO

....Hold the phone. As of the current patch notes:

Itemization
The rate at which you can earn racial motifs and provisioning recipes from lootable containers and furniture has been slightly reduced.

You mean the driop rate has been reduced even further ZoS!? We were saying it's down too much! THey've all but dissapeared now and you're making it even more difficult to find them!? What the hell!?

AlexCala7b14_ESO

Not only that, but two weeks ago you promised to look into this, and we've heard /NOTHING/. /NOTHING/. What gives?

danreckerpreub18_ESO

AlexCala7b14_ESO wrote: »

....Hold the phone. As of the current patch notes:

Itemization
The rate at which you can earn racial motifs and provisioning recipes from lootable containers and furniture has been slightly reduced.

You mean the driop rate has been reduced even further ZoS!? We were saying it's down too much! THey've all but dissapeared now and you're making it even more difficult to find them!? What the hell!?

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Hammerswarm

Adding my voice:

This is a disappointment to me personally and the patch notes say they'll be further reducing the chances. (craiglorn patch) I find blues every day, they are not very rare, I find purples when I do dungeons, more rare but not impossible.

Just watching chat these went from selling for 30k which is a good chunk of money until you progress very far in the game to a person trying and failing to buy it for 200k last night in reaper's march.

Why was the nerf rate on something which every crafter(a not insignificant part of the game) would want? Why have you intentionally broken the game's economy?

Supply and Demand will set the price, and the demand will continue to grow if your player base grows, meanwhile you're shrinking the supply. Econ 101 will let you know how this turns out.

Return these to the drop frequency at launch please, or find a better system for dispensing them than random drops in furniture. Perhaps a quest where you turn in difficult to gather crafting material to a level appropriate NPC to get motifs, in addition to the random drop system.

This is one of those issues that doesn't make the game unplayable but adds up over time to create a negative experience.

Tomd929

ourico_patoneb18_ESO wrote: »

I didnt saw a mofit maybe around 2 weeks and today i loot 2 of them..

Same here. 2 weeks of nothing, but over the last 4 days or so I have looted practically a full set of non-rare motifs and also 3 blue recipes (my first blue recipes ever). I only play 1-2 hours a day and not to VR content yet, so no idea on the rare motifs.

Maybe I just got lucky with the RNG, but possibly a change was made.

Kayira

My problem is not that they hard to find.
It is the mixture of duping and decreased drop rating destroying the economy. How the hell do these people have the 400k they are offering for these motifs. I have barely got 120k together at vet rank 1.Something is clearly going wrong when people have over 1 million due to duping and now increase the prices of these motifs so the normal player has no chance in buying the.
And if more and more people get over 500k the other prices will also increase causing a massive inflation of all prices (such as crafting gear, pots etc). So stop this madness now!

Daedric is now at 400-500k. Imperial at 80k+ and even the normal motifs are at 2k (that is an increase of 100%) Zenimax there is clearly something wrong and decreasing the drop rate makes the bots even more richer. Pls don't destroy the game...

RomedyMC

Just ... this entire thread....

Negative confirmation bias with people ignoring what really changed in the game. Stop focusing only on the drop rate and start focusing on the mechanics behind finding the rare drops.

Jesus.

SDZald

LMAO where are all the people claiming we were all a bunch of "Chicken Littles" and that their was no proof that the drop rates had been nerfed, when in fact they were in 1.0.5 and they just "forgot" to tell us? Hummm I guess when the long term players notice that something has changed, just maybe they have.

Lupinemw

SDZald wrote: »

LMAO where are all the people claiming we were all a bunch of "Chicken Littles" and that their was no proof that the drop rates had been nerfed, when in fact they were in 1.0.5 and they just "forgot" to tell us? Hummm I guess when the long term players notice that something has changed, just maybe they have.

Long term game is 6-7 weeks old so thats hardly long term. Years is long term

redwoodtreesprite

I suspect this is typical MMO patch notes laziness. They already did this, but did not bother to officially tell us until the huge update patch.

At least I am REALLY hoping this is the case, as if the response to all the frustration was to reduce things more that would mean this company really is hopeless in caring about how it's customers feel...

Oluthon

Some people have been saying that 1 in 10,000 is a crazy drop rate, or that they are promised/entitled to anything from the makers of the game.

A. 1 in 10,000 (or whatever the heck it may be) isn't actually that bad. That comes out to .01%. Heck, even shiny Pokemon appear at a rate of 1/8192 and sooooo many people have them in this Pokemon game I play it isn't even funny (and people still whine about the rate) . I have hunted for minipets in WoW that had just as bad drop rates due to the limited amount of enemies that dropped the item. Even in ESO, I personally have found 2 Barbaric Motifs and 1 Primal Motif. I have been really farming the rare ones for a few days, which isn't that bad. (So I cannot believe the drop rate is that low, since it took me over a week to get both the item in WoW and my shiny in Pokemon.)

B. As a player, you are not entitled to anything. You do not own your account. Any and all information contained within your account is the property of Bethesda and Zenimax and all the other companies involved in this (each to their own degree of ownership of the individual areas of the game, I am sure). You do not own your character(s), items in the game. Even though you pay money to play the game and bought a copy of the game, even that is still technically the property of [insert appropriate company name]. Stop acting like you are owed something.

That being said, a low drop rate for such items is a good thing in many respects. Just because you *want* something to be lower or easier, doesn't mean you should get it. If everyone had everything lowered and easier and the way everyone wanted it, it would be crazy. All the enemies would be super easy and give a billion exp each, we could use all skill trees from every class, and have infinite HP and MP. Then what's the point of playing the game?

I believe Harald Hoerwick said it best, "It is arrogant for one to reject change because it is undesirable. Rejection of change is the rejection of possibilities. Allow diversity." It's sad when the broken echo of a man in an anime has more sense than real people...

Woolenthreads

Nope, one of my alts picked up 2 yesterday within a half hour of each other. RNG is random.

shaiten

The previous nerf that stopped the logging in and out has been reversed. Whether intentional or not I do not know. I spent 2 hours farming bank in Alduron--(Spelling) and came up with 2 Daedric and 1 Ancient Elf Motif .. not to mention about 45 Daedra Hearts and Pallidium.

So if you are after those two the bank in the first Vet 6 zone has the most things to open.

For Barbaric and Primal I'm not sure of the best place.

Imperial drops in the 1 - 50 zones

(This is the 5th posting of this paragraph because no one knows how to use search)

AlexDougherty

Just got two racial motifs today on my Altmer Sorceror. I picked up Orc and Breton racial Motifs.

It's not broken, or diminished, or not for me at any rate. Rare yes, but not gone.

Carnagan

Honestly, I'm thinking that they accidentally increased the rates. Since Saturday evening, I have found 4 Daedric and 5 Ancient Elf motifs. It's utterly bizarre, since I didn't see any motifs for about 35 levels.

Moonchilde

Carnagan wrote: »

Honestly, I'm thinking that they accidentally increased the rates. Since Saturday evening, I have found 4 Daedric and 5 Ancient Elf motifs. It's utterly bizarre, since I didn't see any motifs for about 35 levels.

So is that why people are spamming non-stop trying to sell these to noobs at 50-100k before the illusion of rarity wares off? The level of accepted scamming in this game's economy makes me sick.

Tarukmockto

I don't know if the non-rare motifs are any indication of the drop rate increase of the rares, but since the latest patch I'm finding at least one motif a day. Before Friday, I was finding nothing.

Soon the stores will be filled with rare motifs and the prices will settle back to what they should be. Supply and demand rules again.

twev

Kayira wrote: »

My problem is not that they hard to find.
It is the mixture of duping and decreased drop rating destroying the economy. How the hell do these people have the 400k they are offering for these motifs. I have barely got 120k together at vet rank 1.Something is clearly going wrong when people have over 1 million due to duping and now increase the prices of these motifs so the normal player has no chance in buying the.
And if more and more people get over 500k the other prices will also increase causing a massive inflation of all prices (such as crafting gear, pots etc). So stop this madness now!

Daedric is now at 400-500k. Imperial at 80k+ and even the normal motifs are at 2k (that is an increase of 100%) Zenimax there is clearly something wrong and decreasing the drop rate makes the bots even more richer. Pls don't destroy the game...

I'm thinking that maybe all those people who kept telling us that duping and bots and busyfingering the economy in ways that are out of context for a fun based game wasn't going to hurt anything.... were...... wrong.....

But then, I'll bet that a lot of them probably got bored with the ill-gotten gains and went off to screw up other games instead.

Just my opinion.
I have lots of opinions.

Moonchilde

Seriously, I don't want to buy anything from these scammers because of this. I remember when basic Motifs were 500-800, Daedric was 30k and Primal around 15k (as a range). This is affordable, considering that motifs are *not usable* for game progression the way a horse can be. Therefore, they should never be as expensive or more expensive than a horse.

Any an all players will find them eventually, so its not like they will never come to you unless you buy. The whole thing is a con.

Sendarya

Considering the Craiglorn patch made these thing downright common, and prices are back to 20k for Primal and 50k for Daedric (and still dropping as there are often 2 or 3 for sale in zone chat at the same time so competition is driving prices down VERY fast), can we rename this post "The Re-appearance of racial motifs"? Please?
This thread is now highly misleading as it is now out of date. Rare motifs are anything but rare right now.