Invisible Damage in PvP

OtarTheMad

I am not sure if a topic already exists but I have searched the forums for one and have not found anything. I am curious if anyone can explain what this invisible/random damage is that sometimes I and others in my group get while in PvP sometimes is.

Sometimes we'll be just standing there, waiting to attack or just disposed of the tower mage and planning our next move and no one is attacking us and we then realize our health is just going down for no reason and before we know it we're dead. No "damage circle" on the ground to imply some mage attack, did not just get hit by a fireball... most of the time just standing there or not attacking and we're dead. It has happened in two separate campaigns and multiple times to different people.

What is it? A bug? Thanks, and sorry if this topic exists already.

jeradlub17_ESO

This happens a lot. It even shows on the CLS damage log as a bunch of damage ticks happening within 2-3s despite no players or any possible source being around. Unfortunately CLS doesn't name the source due to game limitations. In big battles I have also noticed a lag in damage application where you appear fine then suddenly drop from 100% to dead in just 2-3s. It is either the server lagging in damage application or players using invis hacks. They put entirely too many hackable files client side in this game. Just do a search for eso hacks and you'll be surprised at what they can do and they report they are still working despite the fact I reported the sites I personally found investigating this weeks ago.

OtarTheMad

Thanks, I'll look into that. It's just crazy how many times this happens and people are really getting PO'd about it.

Starshadw

I and others have been wondering about this as well - glad to see there's at least a topic started on the subject.

OtarTheMad

Yeah I didn't see anything on it and was kind of amazed, but also hoping that it wasn't just my campaign/group so I decided to start something on it. I hope that Zenimax is aware of the situation and is working on it but... not sure with the lack of topics on it.

Adernath

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

This happens a lot. It even shows on the CLS damage log as a bunch of damage ticks happening within 2-3s despite no players or any possible source being around. Unfortunately CLS doesn't name the source due to game limitations. In big battles I have also noticed a lag in damage application where you appear fine then suddenly drop from 100% to dead in just 2-3s. It is either the server lagging in damage application or players using invis hacks. They put entirely too many hackable files client side in this game. Just do a search for eso hacks and you'll be surprised at what they can do and they report they are still working despite the fact I reported the sites I personally found investigating this weeks ago.

This happend to me as well. I am glad that I am not the only one with that experience. It was different then getting killed by a debuff.

SirAndy

Yes, happened to a large group of us a while ago. We were all huddled around the flag and the flag had just turned to our colors and then out of nowhere all 30+ of us were dead.

No visual attack or incoming AoE, everyone just went from full health and happy to dead within 2 seconds ...

OtarTheMad

It seems that as the game gets older this problem seems to increase. I'm going to have to put in another bug report when this happens again, hopefully it gets more attention.

nukeyoo

Khyras

PvP in MMORPG without any combat log is comical,and not in a good way.Amateurs.

maholi

I liked it better when the invisible damage used to only target sorcerers Now we all share the love.

Tintinabula

you sure its not poisonous mist? Ive been able to float into the midst of 50 enemies and they just stand there...don't ignore the poisonous green mist ppl.

OtarTheMad

Are NPC's able to do those as a spell or a power? Because it mainly happens around Keep resources and does not matter if an enemy player is defending it or not. Just recently, last night, it started happening while attacking keeps as well. I am not sure what this damage is because your character does not even do any sort of animation or voice grunt or cough to indicate that you are being attacked. You'll be 100% health one minute and then the next you see a red "you're almost dead" border around your screen and before you can react.... even sometimes if you get healed or drink a potion... you're dead. The only thing, sometimes, that seems to counter it is the Alliance War support skill Purge but even then it does not always work.

Baphomet

I was chasing a character up a staircase yesterday, manage to catch up and and dark talon him. When I took my first swing at him my 2900 health dropped to zero and I died instantly. Just him and myself in the vicinity.

Kyotee0071

Do you see all those hackers running around picking flowers and chipping away at iron ores? Maybe they are getting bored and brave and now moving to pvp. I mean if they can get away with it out farming - Invisible, Levitating/Flying - Speed, and undeground hacks, what's stopping the same folks from getting some levels and moving into AVA?

Obviously Not ZoS.

Anazasi

If it were as simple as that I would almost lend credit to the post. I think its more apt to be the NPC's target lock and attack issue speed. I notice this more and more as the NPC's seem to get stronger and stronger with each patch......

Anazasi

There is no LOS check in the equation. As you can tell as you run up stairs or around corners you cant see the NPC but they already locked on to you are were still casting when you broke LOS.

OtarTheMad

Just bumping this.

It could have something to do with the ground lightning spell that NPC's use that affect an area. I am thinking that instead of that red circle being visible it might just somehow be under the ground so we can't see it.

Plus @Anazasi is right, seems to become stronger with each patch so it's tied to the NPC's. I am interested if Zenimax knows about this issue and plans to work on it as I did not notice anything in the Craglorn patch notes to indicate that they do in fact know about it.

Censorious

Hopefully, the new 'death recap' function will give us some information.

Leaok

The Dragonknight NPC's are normally what cause this from what I have noticed. Once you go into agro range of them even if you leave range of their spells or agro range they still damage you but it becomes an invisible attack. The only solution is to stand out of LoS from them.

OtarTheMad

Censorious wrote: »

Hopefully, the new 'death recap' function will give us some information.

Didn't think of that, yes this will tell us what wiped our group and at the same time solve the invisible damage issue.

Nijjion

There seems to be a bug around some objectives (farm ect) where you take 300-400 damage every second if you're just in the area.

Had no agro on guards just standing there and i was taking damage... Was a very WTF moment.

OtarTheMad

I have refrained from mentioning ZOS staff in this post despite how frustrated I am with this bug but if making the NPC's (which I assume means guards) stronger in Cyrodiil makes this problem worse then I will.

And yeah you take a crazy amount of damage in a short amount of time, I am a VR 7 Sorc and before I redid my attributes I had most in health and this bug would still destroy me... and even some "tanks" in some groups.

Mykah

Its a bug, relog to get rid of it.

SwampRaider

Its the flag guards

sometimes you cant see their fireballs hitting you