I don't think the proposed AoE nerf will fix Bat Swarm.

Reavan

Was just roaming solo around where upon I see a medium sized group of blues.

They all seem to be dieing.
Their HP bars always going down.
They were spreading out as they knew what was going on, it was Batswarm with nightblades and the invisibility.

Even though they managed to spread out quite effectivly the Invisible swarms of bats destroyed them without any chance of retaliation.

How long does such a broken ability need to be around before its nerfed?
I am a vampire.
No I do not abuse this mechanic but I have access to it.
So does everyone else but it does not make it fair.
These guys were spamming it.
They never used another ability just the ultimate.

It's brain dead AoE gameplay and it needs removed.
Now.

I saw one that was half HP, decided to try suicide run on him.
Large SINGLE TARGET stealth opener and he just died from that.
All of his buddies hit batswarm instantly.
They never targeted me.
I was using what little invisibility I can spam my self.
I died in less than 3 seconds.

I'll agree with people a target cap is not needed.
What is needed is a down right scaling of the actual damage they do.
They seriously remove the need to target anyone at all and use abilities that require a sense of aim.
Bad mechanics and bad gameplay that can easily be fixed.
Fix it.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

It does 200 damage a second, if you are dying instantly you must have had no hp.

Vlas

With a standard and Dark Talons, it goes pretty quickly there buddy.

Vil

I experience the same over and over again too. It WILL get balanced, no doubt about it at all.

Soban

Bat Swarm is already capped at 6, so no it won't have any effect.

Alestair

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

It does 200 damage a second, if you are dying instantly you must have had no hp.

Vlas wrote: »

With a standard and Dark Talons, it goes pretty quickly there buddy.

HP matters not, there is something very very wrong that isn't showing.. At least the Damage Meter addon is showing the damage being done, I went face to face against a VR10 DK Vampire, Im templar btw, I get the first shot off with javelin, knocked him down and Immediately used focus charge and 0.5 seconds right before i reach him Im Instantly killed while he is still on the ground, ALONE...by himself..No help for him or even me.... But from what i read from the dmg meter after respawning i was hit for 1200 1225 1200 1225 and I don't even HAVE 1700 HP so how was this much damage done, and how did he kill me while he was knocked down? Just picture it in your brain, You throw your jav + Focused charged BOOM hes knocked down and you have used focused charge and you would think its an instant thing right? Well it is, but then again, He was on the ground "Tower" while nobody was around but me and him , again.. Knocked down and We all know how fast focused charge goes, and i died before I reached him.. and he was still knocked down while i was dead.... Was vampire bats used? No.... the PT's and their friends have found a nice Fatal Killing mechanic without having to do anything...

Reavan

Alestair wrote: »

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

It does 200 damage a second, if you are dying instantly you must have had no hp.

Vlas wrote: »

With a standard and Dark Talons, it goes pretty quickly there buddy.

HP matters not, there is something very very wrong that isn't showing.. At least the Damage Meter addon is showing the damage being done, I went face to face against a VR10 DK Vampire, Im templar btw, I get the first shot off with javelin, knocked him down and Immediately used focus charge and 0.5 seconds right before i reach him Im Instantly killed while he is still on the ground, ALONE...by himself..No help for him or even me.... But from what i read from the dmg meter after respawning i was hit for 1200 1225 1200 1225 and I don't even HAVE 1700 HP so how was this much damage done, and how did he kill me while he was knocked down? Just picture it in your brain, You throw your jav + Focused charged BOOM hes knocked down and you have used focused charge and you would think its an instant thing right? Well it is, but then again, He was on the ground "Tower" while nobody was around but me and him , again.. Knocked down and We all know how fast focused charge goes, and i died before I reached him.. and he was still knocked down while i was dead.... Was vampire bats used? No.... the PT's and their friends have found a nice Fatal Killing mechanic without having to do anything...

I think it might be some thing to do with multiple bat swams stacked on one another with the 4 ultimate cost.....
But yeah i saw them going against that dc group which had healers.
Vr people with 3k hp getting hit for 40% of their hp per sec.
That and me, i have only 2k but the first volley took me to 200 hp...
200 damage my ass.

Sleepydan

This is what needs to happen.

Devouring swarm needs to do the damage it says on the tooltip. Pretty sure it does but that's part one.

Part two, mist form needs to prevent devouring swarm healing like it should be, every time.

If that's still not enough, part three is a combined effort between buffing silver bolts or actually nerfing mist form. Possibly both.

By nerfing mist form, the only thing that needs to be touched would be the 100%immunity. It kind of trumps the whole silver bolts jacks you up part of the fighters guild. I would take it down to a 75% reduction in the effectiveness of cc as a start, only after parts one and two are complete.

AshTal

Something is very broken here, the damage it is doing is off the chart single Vampire characters massacre entire raids solo in PvP. Most of the time standing by a wall breach or gate, the bats go round the corner and kill anyone going in and no one can target the vamp cuz his round the corner spamming it. Also the damage is far far above what people think it should be doing entire groups being healed die in seconds 2 or 3 max.
Right now the Vampire Bat swarm/mist form is doing a lot of damage to people enjoying pvp and the Vampires are running well ahead of anyone else on the scoring of the leader boards.

Tandara

It's not the batswarm alone which does high damage. Normaly you choose one aoe/ae debuff and 1 root or aoe/ae dmg spell. As a dk it is like 99% of the time cinder storm combined with inhale. The burst damage you see is most likley the explosion from inhale combined with a tick from batswarm. If you wear mostly cloth this can go up to 700-800 ae ae dmg with just one tick.

Edit: But the explosion from inhale only does dmg every 2,5(base) more like 3-3,5 seconds duo to lag.