Shouldn't my system be able to run Ultra?

D34thly

My system rocks a awesome 30fps in ultra in the wilderness around 20 in cities note this is only in ultra. On high I rock 60-90fps whats going on here?
AMD 8350 none OC atm.
Asus 990FX Sabertooth
Powercolor 280x in crossfire (Disabled) 14.4 drivers.
Plexor M3Pro 256g SSD
8Gigs @‌ 1800MHz
Windows 7 Ent x64

WylieCoyote1511

Yes you would think your system could run it better than that. However I get pretty much the same on this.

AMD FX 8350 4 GHz

MSI GTX 780 ti OC Gaming edition

8GB RAM

ASUS Sabretooth 990fx

Windows 8.1 64Bit

D34thly

Hmm.. do this set your shadows to high and Water to low and tell me what happens. I can't wait till I can use crossfire, but something seriously needs to be optimized with shadows and water reflections no reason it should grind systems to halts.

WylieCoyote1511

D34thly wrote: »

Hmm.. do this set your shadows to high and Water to low and tell me what happens. I can't wait till I can use crossfire, but something seriously needs to be optimized with shadows and water reflections no reason it should grind systems to halts.

What affects me the most is the view distance slider.

Audigy

Its your CPU, AMD´s aren't made for MMO´s that aren't multicore optimized. I run a 6970 and have 40+ fps on ultra.

WylieCoyote1511

Audigy wrote: »

Its your CPU, AMD´s aren't made for MMO´s that aren't multicore optimized. I run a 6970 and have 40+ fps on ultra.

Works just fine on others, and cpu and gpu aren't fully used in this game.

WylieCoyote1511

I should also note my fps has gotten a lot worse since Fridays downtime.

D34thly

I shouldn't see a 20-30fps cut from ultra high to high lol. I don't care what kind of CPU it is AMD or Intel. As for the 8350 its worked well and I was only getting slightly better fps on my 2600k I had sold.

WylieCoyote1511

D34thly wrote: »

I shouldn't see a 20-30fps cut from ultra high to high lol. I don't care what kind of CPU it is AMD or Intel.

Yeah getting fed up with ppl saying it's cause we have AMD.

Saerydoth

The FX-8350 isn't nearly as powerful as say an i7-4770k. But it should still be doing better than what you're seeing.

That said, I have a 4770k and a 780ti, and I do not get 60fps everywhere. In very crowded conditions I drop down to the 40's. I would expect an 8350 to drop to 30 or so in those conditions. But out in the world when it's not that crowded you should still be hitting 60 for the most part.

Another question - what do you have your view distance set at? Even my 4770k chokes a bit on 100 view distance, and I can't maintain 60fps in most places.

WylieCoyote1511

I have my view distance set at 80, but it really could be done with dropping lower.

I just hate reducing graphic settings, it's an ocd thing

Saerydoth

WylieCoyote1511 wrote: »

I have my view distance set at 80, but it really could be done with dropping lower.

I just hate reducing graphic settings, it's an ocd thing

Just keep in mind that the FX-8350 is about 20-25% slower than the i7-4770k on lightly threaded workloads. If you can toss 8 threads at it, it can hold its own (just barely) against the 4770k due to AMD's SMT implementation being more efficient (hyperthreading causes the 4770k to lose a significant amount of IPC, while AMD's implementation doesn't). But ESO doesn't use 8 threads. The FX processors only have good performance when you throw a lot of threads at them.

WylieCoyote1511

Can they make it use 8 threads?

Saerydoth

WylieCoyote1511 wrote: »

Can they make it use 8 threads?

You actually underestimate how difficult it is to make a game engine use that many threads. Right now, there are only 2 game engines that support multithreading on this scale: CryEngine3 and later (Crysis 2, Crysis 3), and Frostbite 3 (BF4). Neither of those are really practical for an MMO at this time, because they have *massive* hardware requirements. Engines that scale up to things like 8 cores well do not scale down to lesser systems well at all.

I think that they did a great job with the ESO engine considering.

saki

I have i5@3.3, r9 280x oc and 8GB ddr3 and on ultra outside cities is around 50-60fps but in cities it can drop if very crowded to 35. I changed settings a lot and biggest impact always have view distance.

When you set it to ultra you see that default is 62. I lower shadows to high and particles to high and increased view distance to 75 and it is working fine.

Also fog and smoke drops fps. And there are a lot of fog.

Audigy

WylieCoyote1511 wrote: »

D34thly wrote: »

I shouldn't see a 20-30fps cut from ultra high to high lol. I don't care what kind of CPU it is AMD or Intel.

Yeah getting fed up with ppl saying it's cause we have AMD.

Look its very simple.

You come to this forum and ask for help, if people help you then you get upset because its on your end. I mean why do you even ask for help if all you do is complain after you got it?

Use google, ask at a hardware forum if you don't believe us here. Its a fact that AMD CPU´s are not that good for MMO´s, because of the multi core usage. You saved 50 bucks when you bought AMD instead of Intel and now you have to face the consequences. Its as simple as that.

Since about 2005 AMD CPU´s have a bad reputation if it comes to MMO`s, this isn't new. Saving money at PC´s is not a good idea, never. There is a reason why a 2500k cost´s a few more bucks, its because of its performance.

If you don't want to learn from your mistakes then don't blame us and accept that you will never have a competitive gaming rig.

D34thly

Actually I saved over $120 and lol @ competitive gaming rig. I KNEW and know Intel have always been much for gaming, but guess what Its much better if your streaming which I was doing for a time. Anyways I plan on upgrading again anyways what else is money good for right? Anyways I just think its strange I see such a huge performance hit 70-90 in high to 20-40 in ultra

Wolfshead

I have same problem

I login today and i did quest call Troublemarker and i lower my gfx setting so i could see damn rat and when i complete the quest i change back and to my old gfx setting on Ultra-High i could only change to Medium

And i hade no problem with my gfx setting until now in game.

1st i thought it was gfx drivers so i install a older version but samething with my gfx setting so it not gfx driver at all

My rig is
AMD Phenom 9850 Quad-core Processor
GeForce GTX 660
Windows 8.1

And it is nothing wrong with my Processor for i have max setting on other mmo and it is no problem at all this have be bug in game for i have never hade this problem before.

Would nice if we could get some feedback from ZeniMax on this

vital1989

i7 4770k gtx 780 oc cyrodil massive pvp 25 +- few fps town with many peoples 35-45 fps nice isn't? broken game...

saki

vital1989 wrote: »

i7 4770k gtx 780 oc cyrodil massive pvp 25 +- few fps town with many peoples 35-45 fps nice isn't? broken game...

Yep, I got i5 3350p, r9 280x oc and it is same like yours. It is smooth when you make it look like morrowind

WylieCoyote1511

Audigy wrote: »

WylieCoyote1511 wrote: »

D34thly wrote: »

I shouldn't see a 20-30fps cut from ultra high to high lol. I don't care what kind of CPU it is AMD or Intel.

Yeah getting fed up with ppl saying it's cause we have AMD.

Look its very simple.

You come to this forum and ask for help, if people help you then you get upset because its on your end. I mean why do you even ask for help if all you do is complain after you got it?

Use google, ask at a hardware forum if you don't believe us here. Its a fact that AMD CPU´s are not that good for MMO´s, because of the multi core usage. You saved 50 bucks when you bought AMD instead of Intel and now you have to face the consequences. Its as simple as that.

Since about 2005 AMD CPU´s have a bad reputation if it comes to MMO`s, this isn't new. Saving money at PC´s is not a good idea, never. There is a reason why a 2500k cost´s a few more bucks, its because of its performance.

If you don't want to learn from your mistakes then don't blame us and accept that you will never have a competitive gaming rig.

You're still not listening. This is the only mmo my rig has trouble with?

sociald100ub17_ESO

I have an FX 8350 also and am on only and I only have a GTX 660oc I play on ultra and do a bit better than that. 40-60 outside 20-40 in the city depending on how many people are around, big rvr is of course low.
so the AMD cpu thing is bs, its not that. my cpu is not currently overclocked either. I could but I just don't need to.
One thing is I don't currently run any add-ons. don't know if anyone has taken that into consideration.

AnderWolfheart

I have an I-7 3770 CPU @ 3.4GHz, 8GB DDR3, GTX 660, Windows 7.

Having the same issue. Can't run on Ultra. High I hang around 30FPS. And forget about PVP.

Any ideas?

sociald100ub17_ESO

AnderWolfheart wrote: »

I have an I-7 3770 CPU @ 3.4GHz, 8GB DDR3, GTX 660, Windows 7.

Having the same issue. Can't run on Ultra. High I hang around 30FPS. And forget about PVP.

Any ideas?

As I mentioned are you running add ons at all? im also running win 7 and same video card as I mentioned. an fx8350 instead of the I7-3770 but there shouldn't be to much of a diff there. I do have 16gb of ram but 8 is plenty. and im not having these problems. I will say that the overall performance has been lower recently but not by any amount that causes a problem for me.

WylieCoyote1511

I'm running no Add ons.

D34thly

I am running addons and I know which kill my fps as I've done testing. I don't use the Minimap or Harvestmap. I do however use Framework which hits me for around 5fps

saki

So minimap, harvestmap and wykkyds framework do have impact on fps?

D34thly

Slightly for ME******* For others there may be NO impact at all.

Cepeza

AnderWolfheart wrote: »

I have an I-7 3770 CPU @ 3.4GHz, 8GB DDR3, GTX 660, Windows 7.

Having the same issue. Can't run on Ultra. High I hang around 30FPS. And forget about PVP.

Any ideas?

As for CPU let's forget about the AMD vs. Intel discussion for a sec here. It's a total nonsense as you can compare identic core/thread number and frequency CPUs only. The only thing that matters is CPU freuency/core.

I noticed very hard fps drops at rigs with CPU freuency lover than 3.6 GHz/core. The more GHz for a single CPU core the better in crowded zones.

So, all same rig just different CPUs. I've got AMD FX-4350 (4 thread) @ 4.2 GHz/core normal, going up to 4,3 GHz/core when turboed and an AMD FX-8320 (8 thread) @ 3.5 GHz/core normal and going up to 4,0 GHz/core when turboed.

Gues what, that makes 15-20 fps difference in favour of FX-4350 @ same game settings and walking same areas. That means for MMO (and all other CPU hungry stuff) you are always better off with more freuqency/core than a higher number of cores.

[EDIT] It's a rig with 2x GTX 660 OC in SLI (65% GPU load on each card with alternate rendering 2 and the UserSettings.ini tweak) Sometimes I am getting ~100 fps in single player instanced places and never below 25 fps regardless of what is happening on screen with the FX-4350 @ 1920x1080 resolution and ultra settings, with draw distance 100%.

saki

Yea framework do impact on fps a little, in my case it droped by 5 fps averege

iendgameeb17_ESO

I've implemented fix for CF/SLI, please check my thread:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/89801/crossfire-sli-fullscreen-fix