VR Grind, it is just insane!!!

masterdtox

Hello guys,

have u reached max lvl? and are u glad that u are finally 50? I bet u do. From lvl 50 there are those VR ranks, that sounds cool right?. But after a while it is not that great anymore, after u reach VR3 at least for me. Its just a damn endless grind doing quest quest quest quest, ye quest are the fastest way atm to lvl VR . I just feel so burned out, it is worst then playing AION BETA back then on the KOREAN server..VR dungeons only rewards u the first time, when u finish those because of the quest. A second time it is just waist of time and not rewarding VR XP wise at all.

Do u guys have the same feeling, that there is no variation at all and just a endless grind for nothing till Craglorn hits?

Wifeaggro13

they have no end game thats why they designed it the way they Did VR are a cheap way to lengthen game play to give them time to develop and end game.Currently the game will chase its own player base off even the hard core solo ist and Die hard skyrim fan. the Pure MMo player wont make it through VR10 unless they find a efficent exploit to by pass this horrible barrier.

Terminus

God you people have such terrible grammar and punctuation.
Anyway,

I usually break up the leveling by participating in PvP with my guild every other day. It ensures I continue to support my alliance, but never really get tired of questing.
Also, questing with somebody else using voice chat makes it MUCH easier.

doggie

Yup. I just mess around in the game at the moment, Earned a whopping 15k Veteran exp today. At this rate it will take litterally forever.

masterdtox

Terminus wrote: »

God you people have such terrible grammar and punctuation.
Anyway,

I usually break up the leveling by participating in PvP with my guild every other day. It ensures I continue to support my alliance, but never really get tired of questing.
Also, questing with somebody else using voice chat makes it MUCH easier.

I'am sorry mr. teacher. But it's not Chinese... thnx for the feedback anyway...

Aggelos

I personally like the long term goals. I just hope they do not "nerf" leveling like WoW did when new expansions came out. It really trivialized the content and allowed people to out level the content too fast.

Rembrandt

- get an online map before you enter a new zone
- skip sidequests, go straight through the main storyline
- do ALL anchor and worldboss events in a zone, better yet get a 4-12 man group that farms it all in one swoop. considerable xp boost for little effort
- do every public solo dungeon, first completion rewards bonus xp
- get all skyshards and explore every landmarks and wayshrines in the zone (again, bonus xp)
- don't be shy to rush the zones a little. you can always do zones 1-2 vet higher than you and still get full ep for quests, anchors, worldbosses, etc..
- do all private dungeons with handpicked groups (assuming you are ready for it) quests and first completion reward again bonus ep
- banished cells are easy and short. skip sidebosses and go straight for the end. decent amount of xp/hour if your group is good. if you reach vet7+ you can do the same with wayrest sewers or darkshade caverns


If you follow those rules you can get pretty quickly to vet7-8 and complete all the zones for the other 2 factions.

The greatest timesink are the sidequests which reward almost no xp whatsoever and are mostly for immersion and flavour. You can still do them after you reach vet10

SirAndy

masterdtox wrote: »

Terminus wrote: »

God you people have such terrible grammar and punctuation.

I'am sorry mr. teacher. But it's not Chinese...

Might as well be ...

Yes, it's a grind fest. Do i like it? No. Is it likely going to change? No.

Jonnymorrow

I have no problem with the grind atm, Currently VR4. It would be nice if every fecking mob didn't give me 42 exp.......... Quests are basically enforced so they can recycle their content and make the game last longer. Good thing is it only takes a month or 2 for most players to get though all 3 campaigns I would say.

Once that's done they are screwed unless they create a endgame worth staying around for and in my opinion there isn't one yet.

PvE endgame without craglorn is just non-existent. VR dungeons are only worth doing like once and the reward for doing them is basically nothing.

PvP endgame is simply not good enough or interesting enough to keep me hooked. a lot of Zerg vs Zerg. The benefits of doing well in PvP do not affect the right things. Like crafting Mats, If you could get better gear than other alliances by winning in PvP It would be more fun, although some pop balancing features may be needed.

There needs to be real incentives and actual worthwhile benefits to making your alliance number 1 in PvP.

There is no gear grind. I wont be rolling a second character since my current one does everything and anything I want it too, and no way am I going though all 3 of the boring campaigns again.

The endgame armor and weapons look the same as the level 46 ones. And legendary items will be easy to obtain (specially for the duping idiots), and lets face it are pretty weak. very very little difference between them and epic items.

Oh yeah and on duping, They didnt get everyone. There is millions of gold in the game there shouldn't be and people have stacks of legendary crafting mats in their banks.

Basically for me Eso is yet another mmo's that wont keep me hooked passed 2 months. Which is a real shame.

falsfire

Terminus wrote: »

God you people have such terrible grammar and punctuation.

Seconded. I could barely make it through the OP and first comment without my head screaming in pain. I must say, it detracts greatly from the complaint if I can't stomach to even read it...21st century internet-speak at its finest.

Anyways, to chime in $0.02, the endgame (craglorn) is coming soon. Back in the days of wow, when they first launched Molten Core and Onyxia raids weren't even in right away. Give it a chance! You're not meant to max out your MMO character so fast on a new game. Try an alt and wait for Craglorn. MMOs these days...the first level 60s in wow weren't until about 3-4 months into the game, and there were so few of them then even...

Wifeaggro13

WOW was 11 years ago and 40 million dollars this is 2014 with a 300 million dollar funding pool , not saying the spent it all here but that was the studios starting bank roll. i do agree with what your saying though . but there are simple adjustments they can make now including adjusting the loot tables in the VR dungeons to accommodate the approaching veteran masses. but in all reality MMo's need to stop releasing with out their end game foundation . It's does not really build consumer confidence when its done like that.

Laura

Rembrandt wrote: »

- get an online map before you enter a new zone
- skip sidequests, go straight through the main storyline
- do ALL anchor and worldboss events in a zone, better yet get a 4-12 man group that farms it all in one swoop. considerable xp boost for little effort
- do every public solo dungeon, first completion rewards bonus xp
- get all skyshards and explore every landmarks and wayshrines in the zone (again, bonus xp)
- don't be shy to rush the zones a little. you can always do zones 1-2 vet higher than you and still get full ep for quests, anchors, worldbosses, etc..
- do all private dungeons with handpicked groups (assuming you are ready for it) quests and first completion reward again bonus ep
- banished cells are easy and short. skip sidebosses and go straight for the end. decent amount of xp/hour if your group is good. if you reach vet7+ you can do the same with wayrest sewers or darkshade caverns


If you follow those rules you can get pretty quickly to vet7-8 and complete all the zones for the other 2 factions.

The greatest timesink are the sidequests which reward almost no xp whatsoever and are mostly for immersion and flavour. You can still do them after you reach vet10

pretty much this. You are making it long, the idea behind veteran ranks is just to do the main part of the story you can just follow cadwell's guide. You aren't supposed to grind it unless you WANT to. its an elder scrolls game and the game completely changes with veteran rank (I actually like it better in veteran)

Wifeaggro13

Laura wrote: »

Rembrandt wrote: »

- get an online map before you enter a new zone
- skip sidequests, go straight through the main storyline
- do ALL anchor and worldboss events in a zone, better yet get a 4-12 man group that farms it all in one swoop. considerable xp boost for little effort
- do every public solo dungeon, first completion rewards bonus xp
- get all skyshards and explore every landmarks and wayshrines in the zone (again, bonus xp)
- don't be shy to rush the zones a little. you can always do zones 1-2 vet higher than you and still get full ep for quests, anchors, worldbosses, etc..
- do all private dungeons with handpicked groups (assuming you are ready for it) quests and first completion reward again bonus ep
- banished cells are easy and short. skip sidebosses and go straight for the end. decent amount of xp/hour if your group is good. if you reach vet7+ you can do the same with wayrest sewers or darkshade caverns


If you follow those rules you can get pretty quickly to vet7-8 and complete all the zones for the other 2 factions.

The greatest timesink are the sidequests which reward almost no xp whatsoever and are mostly for immersion and flavour. You can still do them after you reach vet10

pretty much this. You are making it long, the idea behind veteran ranks is just to do the main part of the story you can just follow cadwell's guide. You aren't supposed to grind it unless you WANT to. its an elder scrolls game and the game completely changes with veteran rank (I actually like it better in veteran)

they dont make it easy for you as all your main story says is Caldwell wants you to expierence ebon heart pact. or vice versa

codyyoungnub18_ESO

I like it that way, glad to experience all the content on one character. Don't need a number moving up to enjoy the quests, etc tbh, sorry you don't enjoy 90% of the game content, I dunno if I would play if only a tiny fraction of what is offered I actually enjoyed. But to each his own.

TrillBilly

falsfire wrote: »

Terminus wrote: »

God you people have such terrible grammar and punctuation.

Seconded. I could barely make it through the OP and first comment without my head screaming in pain. I must say, it detracts greatly from the complaint if I can't stomach to even read it...21st century internet-speak at its finest.

Anyways, to chime in $0.02, the endgame (craglorn) is coming soon. Back in the days of wow, when they first launched Molten Core and Onyxia raids weren't even in right away. Give it a chance! You're not meant to max out your MMO character so fast on a new game. Try an alt and wait for Craglorn. MMOs these days...the first level 60s in wow weren't until about 3-4 months into the game, and there were so few of them then even...

Really who gives a damn about "BACK IN THE OLD DAYS OF WOW". Do you really understand how LONG AGO that was. Get with the times it's 2014 not 2004 anymore so please stop. They have totally botched this game with letting the rampant duping/botting go on with only minimal bans.

Get over yourself FANBOI's this game is failing and WILL BE F2P within months.

Xanxarib16_ESO

no endgame, nothing, nada, sip, zero, Veteran 10 here, and i have nothing to do now ...
people here will say go PvP, and i will say yea done that, form small scale warfare to large scale warfare or Zerg vs Zerg, and that fun right??? no its not the servers are still in US and we got horrible spike lags at random times, one zerg on zerg can go fine then 7 min later another zerg on zerg are with 2 sec spike lags every 5 sec. yea we like this... or NOT!!!

some will say go try your luck in the 6 vet dungeons yea done that they are not hard, they are easy, fun the first 2 times but then blah nothing, and the loot? heh the loot in there is a joke over what you can craft yourself. so im left to mine, harvest and chop wood to get my mats to get the best gear and wait for the Raid that should have been here at release, like the said 3 month ago a 24 man raid but now we wait for a 12 man raid... yea maybe i should come back in 3 month time when there is some endgame i can play ? ohh yea that right Wildstar will be out by then with 20 and 40 man raids.. epic fail Zenimax and you know it! SWTOR all over again

Wifeaggro13

codyyoungnub18_ESO wrote: »

I like it that way, glad to experience all the content on one character. Don't need a number moving up to enjoy the quests, etc tbh, sorry you don't enjoy 90% of the game content, I dunno if I would play if only a tiny fraction of what is offered I actually enjoyed. But to each his own.

i don't think anyone here said they don't like the content. I really enjoy it and i like the game. I do think its a poor design to not scale loot by players in the instance or get very little exp reward for killing mobs. on top of that all the chests spawn the original loot tables lvl 16 stuff.
I would rather have the other factions for other play's for longevity sake. Right now veteran ranks and playing the other factions content is simply to extend the launch life so they can hopefully figure out their end game and put it in. Really the games longevity rides on adventure zones and how well their tested and implemented. as a person that intended on playing ESO for long term it slightly concerns me that they would follow the same path most of the premium model games followed that ended up F2P or Freemium . wouldn't you rather all 16 of those dungeons be Tier'd through out the VR ranks? in stead of 6 that are really T1 and T2 ?Really i like ESO alot and am having fun but you cant seriously say this was a wise choice. especially since Alliance system has very little to do with CHR progression or gear progression.

masterdtox

Thank's guys for the comments.

Furthermore, i kinda like the game but its just sad that some things are not as they should be. I just hope there will be much more to do when the new content hits. But around that time wildstar will be around and i will play that game also, because i am still looking for a decent MMO that can entertain me for more then just the first 2 months.

Kroin

i like the VT lvls, it something that takes time and give Zos the time to create a great endgame content. Think about it normally the normals players would be near lvl 50 now, but thanks to the Vet the have still a long way to go. Im Vet2 and if it continues i will need 1 1/2 weeks befor im Vet 10.

ZiRM

What bugs me more than the sloooow grind of vet levels? People that sit and whine about grammar and spelling on the internet.

Medwin

Don't think about the Ranks, think about completing the zones and faction stories. After that if you are not rank 10 you should grind dungeons, I hear that is really good.

Xaei

The way it's done at the moment is ... awkward.

I really enjoy the slow levelling because I really enjoy the quests and the story, and the game isn't geared towards the endgame being the actual game and everything before being filler trash. So I'm just taking my time with it.

But I can see why people are frustrated with it. Most MMOs since WoW came along has been designed to pressure you to get max level ASAP, and naturally, since this is a MMO, people want to get max level ASAP.

I do agree with putting Craglorn at 50 though. The game plays great as a single player RPG (I actually found it more enjoyable than Skyrim because the NPCs just seem to have more personality, making the experience more immersive), but so far lacks a lot on the MMO side compared to say, GW2, and I think Craglorn is the answer to that.

Sut4sueb17_ESO

I wonder, why do u need VR10? Why are u in such a hurry to get it? Yes, leveling VR takes longer, mobs are harder, but I like it.
If it would be same 1-button-win-all as 1-50 it would be same boring. If you feel its to hard for you - imagine that u did 1-50, finished the game and go do some other stuff you would do at VR10, no1 is stopping you.
Why every carebear player thinks he should be able to do all content in every game?
Oh, BTW, try Lineage 2, you will realise that levelling in ESO, even VR is easy and fun and no grinding at all.

Xaei

^ I don't think comparing this game to a game that does it worse is a good argument. You can always find games that does it worse. Always.

Not saying its done badly in this game but I think they really need to provide some content for traditional MMOers.

Nortar

Everyone seems to be in a rush to get to the last level.

But what exactly happens at VR10?
- you win the game?
- you don't have to quest anymore?
- you don't have to run dungeons anymore?
- you can do something other then killing, exploring and pvping?

Well, if that is your goal can do it long before reaching VR10 - just stop playing.

Anastasia

masterdtox wrote: »

...But after a while it is not that great anymore, after u reach VR3 at least for me. Its just a damn endless grind doing quest quest quest quest, ye quest are the fastest way atm to lvl VR ..

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Heh I, for one, am SO glad we have the other two factions to go explore, even if the exp comes a little slower etc. Do you know what literally almost ALL mmo's out there have waiting for the endcap players?

Well here's how it goes:

1) Enjoy journey to cap, craft, explore, gain achievements, enjoy guildies and friends. Be excited to finally get to max level.

2) Hit cap. Start game 'over' as a fresh 50 trying to earn specified gear sets without which you cannot hope to be accepted into a decent static group or even p-u-g's if you don't have for certain max cap content.
Not only at that point are you REQUIRED to go in a specified path --- sometimes you literally are LIMITED to only being able to access the dungeons or quests for that path which you MUST do...ie can only do Crags' Peak dungeon twice every 7 days, or shut out from said dungeon after accruing X amount of points for the week.

3) Since your crafting at max level in many, many mmo's is worth *** or less, that leaves exploration achievements if available and maybe if its a mechanic in that game redo-ing low level dungeons to help friends out. Otherwise cap in most mmo's is a chat room bore with maxed players gathering in one or two main areas/cities frustrated they have nothing else to do for the next four days while they wait for the dungeon they need that is locked out for them to reopen on the next Monday or some such when the server gets its reset.

Viva le ESO for coming up with meaningful if slow leveling activities AND for planning to put the first Adventure Zone put ingame in a short time from launch. Whoa...soooo much to do at endgame in Tamriel!

Lovin' it! Get with the fresh ideas at least a little different from all the other could-be mmo's out there, quit yearning for more, bigger, better carrots as a prize for doing what you need to learn or earn!

poochie

Basically gained 1 VR level doing Bal Foyen-StoneFalls so I'm not in a rush to grind a area continuously especially with limited bank-bag space. I just want to know "WHAT STUFF UNDAUNTED VENDORS ACTULLY SELL!!!" Do they sell uniques or what? Maybe someone can tell me where to find Auriel's Bow.

Draxinusom

Eh what are you expecting to happen at VR10? There isn't a magic happy wonderland opening up at VR10 and thus you must get there as fast as possible.

VR is an alternate leveling system, it's something that happens alongside whatever it is you do. If quests aren't interesting for you and I bet there are a lot of people that look at them like a hindrance instead of the core of the game and are just chasing arrows then go and do some pvp. Or vet dungeons. Or chase rare epic crafting stuff. You'll level VRs alongside.

Stop believing there's something special at VR10 or that the "game starts only at VR10". This isn't WoW where quests are meaningless trivialities and nothing during leveling has any value at all and interesting things only happen at the very end of the leveling curve. But if you play it the same way you'll be disappointed at VR10. Nothing is fundamentally different at VR10 than at VR5 or VR3 or VR1 in TESO! You need to find out what is fun in this game for you right now. Nobody is going to give you fun-thing(tm) at VR10 that is only available there.

Hearts

VR10 is great for gear
If a level 50 staff has 105 weapon damage and 35 enchant damage
A VR 10 staff will have 140 weapon damage and 85 enchant damage.
Its a big difference.

Moraisu

I am going to present both sides of the coin, if you pardon my lame expression. In one hand there is the fact that this game has a huge amount of quests, clearly some time has been spent in that and they have shown us a preview of things to come...

On another hand, the game is boring for a lot of people, dungeons are simple, not in terms of difficulty but in terms of presentation, thus making them boring, the game has a lot of content at launch, it's just that said content is not presented very well.

They need to launch the first content patch ASAP as the current endgame grind is boring and if the content patch is launched after Wildstar is released Zenimax Online will have to deal with a great blow to the subscriber base...

Draxinusom

If you think presentation is bad in TESO, just wait for Wildstar where random almost unreadable small windows pop up all over your screen is the quest interface or interaction. And literally all quests are "get me 10 bear asses from over there because I said so". And dungeons have what people call "disco mode". Which means there's flickering lightshow everyhwere due to telegraph effects what is the main mode of them and you need to find the spot where to stand and blindly hit random keys until the one single ability that is actually meaningful for your class comes off cooldown.

Wildstar is horribly bland in leveling and questing but people seem to like the dungeon/endgame stuff so I guess those that really live the "race to endgame and ignore everything on the way there" might be better accommodated. Maybe. Everyone need to evaluate that for themselves in the end.