Veteran Rank AP Gear costs ARE TOO DAMN HIGH!

Mange

To buy a single piece of V10 jewelry you need to pay 625,000 alliance points, I am rank 9 almost in PVP and 200k alliance points and let me tell you. That price is very far from reasonable, for one running a dungeon will usually net you a purple piece of jewelry and it takes 30 minutes versus weeks of PVPing.

I don't know what the plan was here for Zenimax but from my perspective it looks like someone was drunk, high, and on the verge of commiting suicide when they came up with the PVP gear costs. I can't even say 200k sounds like a good price for a piece of purple jewelry. I understand you might want to give players long term goals in PVP but at the very least make the current purple costs apply for legendaries and lower them by at least 125k instead. VR1 blues should be 30k~ per pack if you actually intend to let players get decent gear in PVP.

As far as time spent gearing up in PVP vs PVE goes at the moment, PVE far surpasses PVP. No contest here, you'd make a fool of yourself to try and argue it unless you consider a PVP green equal to a PVE purple.

Cydone

The crafted sets are better anyways.

Darka

Time V effort
Sometimes it cant take a little while to get what you want, just like in life

I

Thevenin

Yeah, but he isn't complaining about that.
He's saying everyone is going to rush the PvE gear, and PvP gear will be useless. Which is kinda true.

Darka

Its a battle that happens in every game
Having two gear sets one always comes pointless over the other
People will take the easy option for the gear, and take any advantage any gear set gives over another.
I have always supported the idea of one set, and build around that.

Mange

Cydone wrote: »

The crafted sets are better anyways.

So what you are saying, forget about the PVP gear and go for the easier to attain crafted sets which are superior at the same time? Right. Exactly the problem.

Darka wrote: »

Time V effort
Sometimes it cant take a little while to get what you want, just like in life

I

If you want to use life comparisons then which do you choose, having rich parents and an inheritance given to you just for turning 18 or work hard 40 years of your life to get the same amount of money?

Godimus

I dont think crafted are better .. they have no pvp stats on them at all.. which is sad because they claimed that crafted gear is superior which it obviously is not. look at the stats REDUCE player damage 5% and -20% from player AOEs there goes dragon knights pvp chances..
its *** pvp stated gear shouldn't even exist in elder scrolls universe..

beravinprb19_ESO

I hate to say it, since I want the PvP to do well, but that is actually not true. I was able to craft blue gear at VR1 that was about 10% less effective than the VR10 purple gear sold at a vendor. Besides, I'd rather have the Shalidor's Curse set bonus over anything the PvP vendors have to offer. That set heals you for 15% health when you attack an enemy that is under 20% health. Sure, it has a 30 second cooldown, but its still amazing for PvP.

KiroElmarok

People weren't supposed to hit VR10 in a week. Just buy/make Crafted Gear.

Cydone

Mange wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

The crafted sets are better anyways.

So what you are saying, forget about the PVP gear and go for the easier to attain crafted sets which are superior at the same time? Right. Exactly the problem.

Darka wrote: »

Time V effort
Sometimes it cant take a little while to get what you want, just like in life

I

If you want to use life comparisons then which do you choose, having rich parents and an inheritance given to you just for turning 18 or work hard 40 years of your life to get the same amount of money?

That's the beauty of this game. There are NO separate sets for pvp and pve. The fact that your grinding for so long, for something that is inferior to a player crafted set, is stupid. Get out of the mindset of TOR and WoW.

Mange

Cydone wrote: »

Mange wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

The crafted sets are better anyways.

So what you are saying, forget about the PVP gear and go for the easier to attain crafted sets which are superior at the same time? Right. Exactly the problem.

Darka wrote: »

Time V effort
Sometimes it cant take a little while to get what you want, just like in life

I

If you want to use life comparisons then which do you choose, having rich parents and an inheritance given to you just for turning 18 or work hard 40 years of your life to get the same amount of money?

That's the beauty of this game. There are NO separate sets for pvp and pve. The fact that your grinding for so long, for something that is inferior to a player crafted set, is stupid. Get out of the mindset of TOR and WoW.

Yes there are, Covenant being a set made only for PVP for one. Two there are sets that drop only in PVE (Soulshine), three there are sets that can only be crafted(Nightmothers Gaze). Where the hell are you getting your information from?
You are killing me right now, who said I am grinding for the PVP gear? Why should it be ok for you to call me stupid just for trying to buy PVP gear in the first place. I have a full set of crafted purples and soon to be legendaries thanks to my guild, my post is nothing about my current gear and more about gear for the average PVP player some of whom don't leave Cyrodiil. I am sorry but your post was cringe worthy, I am not sure who hit the agree button on that one.

KiroElmarok wrote: »

People weren't supposed to hit VR10 in a week. Just buy/make Crafted Gear.

What does this post have to do with the speed of my hitting VR10, if I hit VR10 in a month from doing PVE would 625k alliance points be any more reasonable of a price? If I am just PVEing obviously I wouldn't be any closer to 625k points one month from now. It has been almost a month since my character was created, for the record.

Cydone

Mange wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

Mange wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

The crafted sets are better anyways.

So what you are saying, forget about the PVP gear and go for the easier to attain crafted sets which are superior at the same time? Right. Exactly the problem.

Darka wrote: »

Time V effort
Sometimes it cant take a little while to get what you want, just like in life

I

If you want to use life comparisons then which do you choose, having rich parents and an inheritance given to you just for turning 18 or work hard 40 years of your life to get the same amount of money?

That's the beauty of this game. There are NO separate sets for pvp and pve. The fact that your grinding for so long, for something that is inferior to a player crafted set, is stupid. Get out of the mindset of TOR and WoW.

Yes there are, Covenant being a set made only for PVP for one. Two there are sets that drop only in PVE (Soulshine), three there are sets that can only be crafted(Nightmothers Gaze). Where the hell are you getting your information from?
You are killing me right now, who said I am grinding for the gear? I have a full set of crafted purples and soon to be legendaries thanks to my guild, my post is nothing about my current gear and more about gear for the average PVP player some of whom don't leave Cyrodiil. I am sorry but your post was cringe worthy, I am not sure who hit the agree button on that one.

Really?? So, these pvp sets, they are completely useless in pve then?? And the so called "pve" sets are completely useless in pvp?? OR, these sets aren't able to be worn in pvp and/or pve?? Or vise versa? There are NO specific, pvp or pve only, sets. At least in the traditional sense of the meaning. Which was exactly what I was talking about. And, just because a set needs to be crafted in a specific area, like Cadwells set needs to be crafted in Coldhabour, doesn't make that a pve set.

Mange

Go home Cydone, you're drunk. Nothing you're saying at this point has anything to do with the topic at hand. PVP gear is over priced and takes to long to get versus the other methods of getting gear for similar stats and one PVP unique set bonus.

knaveofengland

oh my care bears have landed , hands out the gummy bears

Cydone

Mange wrote: »

Go home Cydone, you're drunk. Nothing you're saying at this point has anything to do with the topic at hand. PVP gear is over priced and takes to long to get versus the other methods of getting gear for similar stats and one PVP unique set bonus.

It has everything to do with the topic at hand. Since there is no requirement to participate in pvp, in order to get a viable pvp gear set, there is no real reason to complain about the cost of the gear that is available in the pvp area. Gear that is less viable when compared to a player crafted set. Whereas in ToR and WoW, you MUST participate in pvp in order to get those types of sets. This is where player interaction is a benefit. Ask in zone chat if anyone is able to craft the set you need. Or, level up a crafter yourself.

The ability to get gear, from solely pvping is just an alternative to taking part in pve, where you have to either craft or break down looted items. And it's of equal cost. The amount of time it takes to be able to craft a set with a 5 piece bonus is a LONG time. The "pve" crafted sets for pvp REQUIRE you to be at a certain level in that crafting profession as well as researching FIVE traits for each armor piece. And each time you research one specific armor piece, the time it takes for that research to complete is extended. For 1 piece, it can take up to a week in order to get them all. Now, with the crafting passives, this can be increased to 3 and once. But, that would still require almost 2 weeks of just waiting to be able to craft that 5 piece set.

So, if you are all about the pvp and that's all you do, in that same 2-4.5 weeks, depending on the campaign you're in, you should be able to get a full 5 set bonus. Now, if you're unable to get the required AP in order to buy them, solely based on the population of the campaign you're in, then you should just switch campaigns. Or, be an advocate for pvp to be more rewarding in regards to XP and gold......which would most definitely lead to an influx of players to each campaign. Being able to get gear, no matter which avenue you try to get it in(PvP or "pve) is an investment of time. And, I personally think that the time it takes to get either is pretty damn close to being equal.

KiroElmarok

@‌Mange

Mange wrote: »

KiroElmarok wrote: »

People weren't supposed to hit VR10 in a week. Just buy/make Crafted Gear.

What does this post have to do with the speed of my hitting VR10, if I hit VR10 in a month from doing PVE would 625k alliance points be any more reasonable of a price? If I am just PVEing obviously I wouldn't be any closer to 625k points one month from now. It has been almost a month since my character was created, for the record.

Its a matter of you believing your entitled to hand outs.
I prefer to earn things. I personally am fine with the 625k ap price tag... because its mainly for bragging rights... which it should be.

What do you mean, speed leveling has nothing to do with it... people are VR 10 and want 'end game' gear... so craft it.

I don't know how to be any clearer. If you want a game with hand holding a gear hand outs... may I recommend the World of Warcraft... or perhaps Rifts cash shop?

You see what I'm saying? Items earned are better in the long run... instead of having everyone look like carbon copies of eachother.

Will I buy this gear? Probably not.
Does that make me less of a player? Not in the slightest.

I plan on buying useful thing for the group I play with.. siege/forward camps are what help team play... I'd rather use AP to help my comrades than be in gear that shows off..

As a crafter.. Crafted > Vendor everytime.

I prefer to customization of gear in looks / stats to some default look and stats.

The point of this game is to be unique.

KiroElmarok

@Cydone
But there are pve sets that benefit pvp more. Kynes set immediately comes to mind.

Anastasia

Mange wrote: »

Go home Cydone, you're drunk. Nothing you're saying at this point has anything to do with the topic at hand. PVP gear is over priced and takes to long to get versus the other methods of getting gear for similar stats and one PVP unique set bonus.

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No Mr. Mange, Cydone is RIGHT THE FRICK ON!

There are no pvp-specific gear sets vs pve-specific gear sets ala many other mmo's which created those literally separately and have in place goals and paths toward obtaining them.

***From an interview at MMORPG.com with Lead PvP Developer Brian Wheeler on February 18, 2014:

NO PVP/PVE SPECIFIC GEAR

Brian Wheeler: When Matt Firor, basically, hired me on, he said, just real simple, “Make kick ass PvP.” I was like, “OK. That seems like a nice goal to start with.” But obviously, I knew he was trying to go for a good three faction territory control system, but taking it up a notch from what we’ve seen in other three faction games.

MMORPG: Can you talk about PvP gear? Specifically, what distinguishes PvE gear from PvP gear? Is there a PvP stat?

Brian Wheeler: There’s no specific stat or anything along those lines. Any of the gear you get, independent of wherever you get it, is perfectly usable in PvP or PvE.

The difference will be that some of the armor sets will have different passive abilities in PvE vs. PvP, but there’s nothing that’s really favoring one stat or anything like that, that you have to get for being a “good PvPer”.

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So no, you don't need one specific tiered you-don't-got-it-you-don't-join-my-group gear set for either PvP or PvE.

That doesn't mean there won't be optimum combinations figured out by those that put the time in. But it DOES mean neither PvP players nor PvE players will be negatively affected by special sets having to be balanced initially FOR PvP or FOR PvE and later tinkered with for 'balanced' reasons when patches and other changes are put forth in the game expansions etc.

Using crafted gear or improvements to improve whatever gear you've currently got is one optimum way to go. That way you can on your own have a 'preferred' set for instance to solo in, another if you'd like that you think is most effective for large group PvP, another for the four-man questing and exploration in the Adventure zones. A prudent player will be prepared or work on being prepared of course.

But Mr. Cydone was absolutely correct in his post.

Enjoy your adventuring in Tamriel this week ^-^!

Cydone

KiroElmarok wrote: »

@Cydone
But there are pve sets that benefit pvp more. Kynes set immediately comes to mind.

Benefits are subjective to the user. Even if what you, or hell 90% of the community, deems to be a favorable pvp set, DOESN'T mean that it isn't a viable option for pve. This is my meaning. Viability. EVERY set is viable, which means NO set can be deemed solely a "PvP set" or a "PvE set". Some MAY give more favorable stats depending on what you're doing, but it still remains that they are viable no matter what you are doing.

KiroElmarok

@Cydone
Yep, I agree.

And that's why I love ESO. Everything is viable and rarely are you punished for choices.

Cydone

Also, the OP needs to take into account the amount of time that is required for a player crafter to make one of those 5 piece sets. For VR10 gear, it takes being lvl50 in either clothing or blacksmith(for armor). That, by itself, can take 2 weeks. Hell, I've been playing since 5 day early access and every time my inventory is full I decon everything in my invent AND have a guildie sending me all his looted med/light armor pieces, as well as wood items(bow/staff/shield) and my Clothing is only at 46 and my woodworking is at 44. So, that's 3 weeks right there and still not max.

So, for the sake of argument, lets say it takes 2-3 weeks for someone to level blacksmithing to 50. Average time between 2-3 weeks is 2.5. Now, it takes a crafter about another 2 weeks in order to have researched 5 traits for 5 pieces of armor. So, total amount of time it takes for a player crafter to make a 5 piece set......1.5 months, or thereabouts. So, OP, you're telling me you can't get a 5 piece set of the armor in Cyrodiil, in 1.5 months?? If you think that the cost of the armor gained via AP should be less, then tell me why should it be less time than it takes for a player crafter to achieve the same thing??

cjtignub17_ESO

If ur good at pvp u can get one of those pieces a day. I fail to see how 600k is considered expensive. At our guild pvp raid yesterday entire raid got 90k each in an hour of zerg busting.

Make sure u stick around at keeps after u cap or after u defend u get a 20-40k AP bonus. Most people dont seem to realize that yet. Size of bonus depends on size of ur group. Ur vr level ( u get signif more AP at Vr10 than lowbie levels) the amt of people u fought for the objective and their alliance war ranks (their vr levels doesnt seem to matter)

Also as people move up in allaince ranks it will be easier and easier to get ap.

-Koreander
Pvp officer Primal Instinct

Mange

KiroElmarok wrote: »

@‌Mange

Mange wrote: »

KiroElmarok wrote: »

People weren't supposed to hit VR10 in a week. Just buy/make Crafted Gear.

What does this post have to do with the speed of my hitting VR10, if I hit VR10 in a month from doing PVE would 625k alliance points be any more reasonable of a price? If I am just PVEing obviously I wouldn't be any closer to 625k points one month from now. It has been almost a month since my character was created, for the record.

Its a matter of you believing your entitled to hand outs.
I prefer to earn things. I personally am fine with the 625k ap price tag... because its mainly for bragging rights... which it should be.

What do you mean, speed leveling has nothing to do with it... people are VR 10 and want 'end game' gear... so craft it.

I don't know how to be any clearer. If you want a game with hand holding a gear hand outs... may I recommend the World of Warcraft... or perhaps Rifts cash shop?

You see what I'm saying? Items earned are better in the long run... instead of having everyone look like carbon copies of eachother.

Will I buy this gear? Probably not.
Does that make me less of a player? Not in the slightest.

I plan on buying useful thing for the group I play with.. siege/forward camps are what help team play... I'd rather use AP to help my comrades than be in gear that shows off..

As a crafter.. Crafted > Vendor everytime.

I prefer to customization of gear in looks / stats to some default look and stats.

The point of this game is to be unique.

I guess it's safe to assume you haven't read the part about where my gear in particular is already crafted and superior to the PVP Gear it would take a person months to earn. I would say if I've been PVPing for 24 hours of in-game time, I deserve a purple. Doesn't sound like much of a hand out to me sounds completely earned and well deserved.

I am getting quite frustrated with the weak arguments here, are you 3 all in the same guild or something? You completely threw the VR10 thing out of context and gave the solution of crafting instead of PVPing for the gear once again. The speed at which someone leveled has nothing to do with the price of PVP gear. I don't know how to be any clearer or make this concept any simpler for you so if you can't wrap your head around the fact that PVP is not a viable leveling strategy, if you want to hit cap, then there's nothing I can do for you.

Anastasia wrote: »

Mange wrote: »

Go home Cydone, you're drunk. Nothing you're saying at this point has anything to do with the topic at hand. PVP gear is over priced and takes to long to get versus the other methods of getting gear for similar stats and one PVP unique set bonus.

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No Mr. Mange, Cydone is RIGHT THE FRICK ON!

I'm a little confused as to what your logic behind posting this, based on where you've quoted me, was but I find it ironic that it also does not touch the topic at all since you're trying to say he's correct.

"Really?? So, these pvp sets, they are completely useless in pve then?? And the so called "pve" sets are completely useless in pvp?? OR, these sets aren't able to be worn in pvp and/or pve?? Or vise versa? There are NO specific, pvp or pve only, sets. At least in the traditional sense of the meaning. Which was exactly what I was talking about. And, just because a set needs to be crafted in a specific area, like Cadwells set needs to be crafted in Coldhabour, doesn't make that a pve set."

Gear costs for PVP gear are too high. This quote from CyDONE is a classic case of mental gymnastics, first he tells me it's stupid to go for PVP gear because the other gear is slightly better and much less costly (NO, you think?) and then when I respond that there are sets ONLY attained from and MEANT for PVP since they SPECIFICALLY work on other players and player used tool such as siege weapons he goes and nit picks at the concept of PVP gear versus PVE claiming it was meant in a traditional sense. So apparently we all aren't on the same page with the fact that any gear can be worn anywhere, so let's be clear that I am well aware of that fact.

It still does not change the fact that gear dropped in and sold by the PVP vendors shouldn't be the hardest to attain by far and none of you have actually come up with a reason why the the price is fine where it is aside from some sort of invisible achievement points according to KiraElmarok. Please stop and think what you're actually arguing before you make another long winded post, because jumping from one topic to another is a clear sign of losing a debate.


Last but not least.

Cydone wrote: »

Also, the OP needs to take into account the amount of time that is required for a player crafter to make one of those 5 piece sets. For VR10, it takes being lvl50 in either clothing or blacksmith(for armor). That, by itself, can take 2 weeks. Hell, I've been playing since 5 day early access and every time my inventory is full I decon everything in my invent AND have a guildie sending me all his looted med/light armor pieces, as well as wood items(bow/staff/shield) and my Clothing is only at 46 and my woodworking is at 44. So, that's 3 weeks right there and still not max.

So, for the sake of argument, lets say it takes 2-3 weeks for someone to level blacksmithing to 50. Average time between 2-3 weeks is 2.5. Now, it takes a crafter about another 2 weeks in order to have researched 5 traits for 5 pieces of armor. So, total amount of time it takes for a player crafter to make a 5 piece set......1.5 months, or thereabouts. So, OP, you're telling me you can't get a 5 piece set of the armor in Cyrodiil, in 1.5 months?? If you think that the cost of the armor gained via AP should be less, then tell me why should it be less time than it takes for a player crafter to achieve the same thing??

Why are we still talking about this, maybe you think I lied when I told you I already have a set of crafted VR10 purple gear - legendary gear provided by my guild? It's possible because we've worked together and pooled mats to each other, that's not an option for Alliance Points. Even had that not been the case, to level a craft high enough to make your own items would not take as long as it will to earn 625k AP. We are talking a single Alliance Point item versus multiple crafting options.
You do realize that once you've hit 40 in a crafting, you can make all the way up to VR10 right? So, Cydone, you can craft a legendary set of VR10 equipment in clothing and woodworking. You are hurting yourself at this point.

It has been less than a month and multiple players in a guild of 40+ with maybe half active and close to a level cap and they're all approaching the 5 trait goal you used in your example. I am telling you that you cannot get a 5 piece purple VR10 set in 1.5 months if you're anything short of an emporer, I highly doubt even the top ranked player in Auriels Bow has earned anywhere near 3,125,000 alliance points. I am expecting a VR10 legendary two handed sword with the Death Mothers Gaze set bonus 2 days from now. It's much less time consuming.

Mange

cjtignub17_ESO wrote: »

If ur good at pvp u can get one of those pieces a day. I fail to see how 600k is considered expensive. At our guild pvp raid yesterday entire raid got 90k each in an hour of zerg busting.

Make sure u stick around at keeps after u cap or after u defend u get a 20-40k AP bonus. Most people dont seem to realize that yet. Size of bonus depends on size of ur group. Ur vr level ( u get signif more AP at Vr10 than lowbie levels) the amt of people u fought for the objective and their alliance war ranks (their vr levels doesnt seem to matter)

Also as people move up in allaince ranks it will be easier and easier to get ap.

-Koreander
Pvp officer Primal Instinct

I run a log like everyone else, 20k-40k AP bonus for defending a keep? You are adding extra 0's buddy. You get 100s of AP bonuses for being around keeps when defending them not thousands. Your VR level determines how much you give other players in terms of AP, a level 10 being the lowest and a VR10 being the highest. I've done plenty of lone ganking to know that part.

KiroElmarok

@Mange
I don't know any of these people.

If you're in superior gear, why was the op made? Why do you care if the price of the "pvp" gear?

I'm not trying to argue about anything. I was just pointing out ( as you pointed out ) why waste ap on the gear when there are better thing to use it for and crafted gear.

With the week to get vr10 comment I said... what I meant is people that got to vr10 fast shouldn't be asking for the prices for the vr10 pvp vender to be lowered. Some of the players are doing only pvp and its a goal to set for them selves. Because.. lets face it.. if you only pvp from level 10, let alone vr1, you'll get a ton of ap by vr10.(because its slow to level vr in pvp now)

For the people who quest in pve and get to vr10 fast... gotodfor them.. they have skill points they earned and now have to get through the pvp ranks.

But as you said.. your gear is better then the pvp gear... so why do you want it lowered?

I mean I guess it would be helpful for new vr10s. I still wouldn't buy it even if it was 1 ap. Crafted just has more options...

Mange

KiroElmarok wrote: »

@Mange
I don't know any of these people.

If you're in superior gear, why was the op made? Why do you care if the price of the "pvp" gear?

I'm not trying to argue about anything. I was just pointing out ( as you pointed out ) why waste ap on the gear when there are better thing to use it for and crafted gear.

With the week to get vr10 comment I said... what I meant is people that got to vr10 fast shouldn't be asking for the prices for the vr10 pvp vender to be lowered. Some of the players are doing only pvp and its a goal to set for them selves. Because.. lets face it.. if you only pvp from level 10, let alone vr1, you'll get a ton of ap by vr10.(because its slow to level vr in pvp now)

For the people who quest in pve and get to vr10 fast... gotodfor them.. they have skill points they earned and now have to get through the pvp ranks.

But as you said.. your gear is better then the pvp gear... so why do you want it lowered?

I mean I guess it would be helpful for new vr10s. I still wouldn't buy it even if it was 1 ap. Crafted just has more options...

Simply to be fair, I have an alt I might want to get PVP Gear on eventually but before I got anywhere near VR10 I was able to see the price on the vendor and felt it was ridiculous. It's just something I think needs changing, hell I might end up wanting one of the set bonuses only found in PVP. I also don't like the fact that my 250k AP seems so insignificant at VR, I could probably afford a blue soon but who wants to buy blues at max level when there's two tiers higher. This topic wasn't made to serve myself "handout" gear. I literally got that already (I did donate a lot of mats though).

Cydone

@Mange‌

I don't disagree that the rewards in pvp need to be more in line with the vast rewards gained via pve. But, your argument was that YOU, meaning singular, have been pvping for however long and only have 200k AP. You are talking about how a single player can achieve that piece of gear. So, I told you what it takes for a SINGLE player crafter to achieve the same thing. Cause the looted stuff most times isn't a part of a set bonus. SO, then you say." well my guild is helping me get the gear!"....wait you OP was talking just about how YOU, a single player, can't gain enough AP to get that gear. So how is comparing what a guild can do, to what a single player can do, any bit of an equal argument??

Yes, if you have a guild of like 50 or more ppl working on getting all the traits, of course it's going to take less time and I never said that it wouldn't. I was comparing ONE crafter getting those things vs ONE player gaining AP. Now, you can gain MUCH greater AP running with a large group, in the same way you can gain the ability to craft 5 piece suits in MUCH less time, with the help of a guild. But, that's not what your OP said. You make no mention of anyone else but yourself, no mention of the word guild anywhere in there. Here's a quote of your OP just in case you forgot, or try to edit something in there:

To buy a single piece of V10 jewelry you need to pay 625,000 alliance points, I am rank 9 almost in PVP and 200k alliance points and let me tell you. That price is very far from reasonable, for one running a dungeon will usually net you a purple piece of jewelry and it takes 30 minutes versus weeks of PVPing.

I don't know what the plan was here for Zenimax but from my perspective it looks like someone was drunk, high, and on the verge of commiting suicide when they came up with the PVP gear costs. I can't even say 200k sounds like a good price for a piece of purple jewelry. I understand you might want to give players long term goals in PVP but at the very least make the current purple costs apply for legendaries and lower them by at least 125k instead. VR1 blues should be 30k~ per pack if you actually intend to let players get decent gear in PVP.

As far as time spent gearing up in PVP vs PVE goes at the moment, PVE far surpasses PVP. No contest here, you'd make a fool of yourself to try and argue it unless you consider a PVP green equal to a PVE purple.

Others have said, you gain greater AP from being in a big group, pvping. YOU have said you gain traits faster if an entire group is doing it. So:

GET IN A BIG GROUP IN PVP AND GET YOUR AP

Mange

Cydone wrote: »

@Mange‌

I don't disagree that the rewards in pvp need to be more in line with the vast rewards gained via pve. [/spoiler]

Stop it, you haven't agreed once throughout the topic anything you've said so far has been "go get other gear" in a nut shell.

I know you gain more AP from being in a big group, I never specified if I was in a big group or alone while I PVP'd. I've been in a siege group a vast majority of my time in Cyrodiil. You jumped to the assumption that I was PVPing alone off of the simple fact that I used my AP currency as an example it would seem.


Edit: You clearly have little to no experience with Cyrodiil, you have yet to speak of your experience with AP gains and your first actual attempt at debating the topic is based on what you recently read from another guy that posted in the topic. Do you really not have any personal experience to add as far as AP gains go?

KiroElmarok

@Mange
Ah gotcha.

What would you purpose it be lowered too?
500k? 250k? Or perhaps 400k?