stop complaining about a new ability every week...

cjtignub17_ESO

In beta it was snipe and venom arrows. Then dk standard then lightning form then negate magic then bolt escape. Then pulsar. Now vampires ultimate...

This is ridiculius all of these have counters u guys really need to learn to play. Leave the devs alone they got bigger issues to fry. The game is balances for group pvp. Use the above "op" abilities to counter whatever new op ability ur upset with. Get fire or fighters for vamps. Dont sit in the middle of aoes.

Ur not npcs use tactics to win. That video of the dk emperor vamp that tanked 40 people with the two pocket healers we ran into him last night and killed him with 3 people.

Negate magic stops all skills from being cast and then we spammed him with roots/stun/and dmg abilities he was dead in few seconds.

U guys should use teamspeak to coordinate this is a real pvp game designed so an organized group can beat an unorganized zerg it has been like that since beta there are countles videos of people holding odf huge zergs. Reminds me of daoc where skill and coordination of builds wins.

If u think a build is op I suggest u have someone in ur group run it.

cjtignub17_ESO

Sorry typos wrote on my phone

cjtignub17_ESO

May be fun to try to predict what the herd is going to complain about next.

My guess is soul strike ultimate. A 1 cast ultimate that pretty much quickly kills anyone in 1v1 if used appropriately.

Zintair

It is not so much the abilities as mechanics that these abilities play off of.

There is no DR on CC with Talons or other roots. If people got immunity for 2 seconds after a CC hit them type thing. And Ultimate Cost reduction should never have been put in the game.

If these two things are tweaked I think it would solve A LOT more issues than just nerfing every ability because of these mechanics.

For example.

Talon / Standard DKs would be 10x less effective when their second root doesn't hit everyone again.

Bat Swarm and Standard spammers would no longer be able to spam them but would keep them in line with the idea that they are.... Ultimates.

Do I think Standard needs an Ultimate cost bump to equal Nova on my Templar? I do, but I won't cry if it doesn't happen.

The real issue are the mechanics surrounding the game and not the abilities themselves.

cjtignub17_ESO

U can roll out of any cc thus breaking it and then caat immovable making u immune to all ccs for 8+ seconds. Thats ability is open to everyone and I dont know a single high end pvper that doesnt use immovable.. Honestly I think it really just comes down to new players not knowing thwse basic things and complaining that stuff like talon/standard is op

If you don't like the above option you (or any ally near you) can cast Rapid Maneuvers which will break all CCs on everyone it hits (AOE range is huge on rapid) and make you immune to CCs for 20 seconds. With this you don't even need to do the roll dodge to break talon cc.

Zintair

cjtignub17_ESO wrote: »

U can roll out of any cc thus breaking it and then caat immovable making u immune to all ccs for 8+ seconds. Thats ability is open to everyone and I dont know a single high end pvper that doesnt use immovable.. Honestly I think it really just comes down to new players not knowing thwse basic things and complaining that stuff like talon/standard is op

If you don't like the above option you (or any ally near you) can cast Rapid Maneuvers which will break all CCs on everyone it hits (AOE range is huge on rapid) and make you immune to CCs for 20 seconds. With this you don't even need to do the roll dodge to break talon cc.

Testing has shown Immovable does not work with Talons. Not sure about Rapid maneuvers however. I am not 100% on this but I have read it. Doesn't mean it is correct but the people saying it were PTS testers who have tried it in release. I'll look for the thread.

Zintair

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/84360/broken-talons-in-dragon-knights-online/p1

Check it out. I have not personally tested it but it makes sense based on the logic of the thread.

Samadhi

cjtignub17_ESO wrote: »

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Ur not npcs use tactics to win. ...

I agree with your post, but I feel this sentence need be expanded.
Players also need to realize that they are not playing against NPCs; this means that not only are tactics vital to victory, but that players should not be surprised to witness tactical play from the enemy.

I keep reading posts by people saying that skills need to be nerfed because they are being out-played by the people who use them.
I don't get it.

cjtignub17_ESO

What the immovable doesn't work w/ talons?? still learning new stuff. Oddly though I don't feel like i ever get CC locked though so perhaps DKs just aren't casting talons non stop in PvP. Our guild group does have a rotation for rapid maneuvers so perhaps that is why I don't ever feel cc'd much. Still though you have plenty of ways to combat the DK that I don't think complaining about talons is worthwhile (although as you showed theres clearly already a /whine post).

Those types of whine posts just *** me off 3 weeks into a game release. People can barely log into the game, loading screen issues, main story line quest bugs, about 20 passive abilities and a few active abilities don't even work. There's been 2 dupe bugs in the last week and people are sitting here whining for the devs to waste their time looking at skill balance.

Come on guys tone it down a bit for 1-2 months with the nerf threads. They are also working on a huge expansion that comes out in 1-2 weeks.

cjtignub17_ESO

Samadhi wrote: »

cjtignub17_ESO wrote: »

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Ur not npcs use tactics to win. ...

I keep reading posts by people saying that skills need to be nerfed because they are being out-played by the people who use them.
I don't get it.

ROFL, too many players here are prob not used to MMO PvP. I believe all the prior ESO games were single player, no?

I actually find this game very balanced for group play. This is what a lot of people have been looking for a game where an organized PvP group could beat on hundreds of unorganized /zerg players sorta like 300 movie. If you dedicate time to learning your class and learning your enemies class tactics you can really rack up a crazy kill/death ratio.

For example:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/78980/primal-instinct-pvp-video-small-group-vs-entire-ep-zerg-on-bloodthorn#latest

Ghenra

Stop? Omg!

This is one of the most unbalanceds games. Is completely normal see people wanting a better game wihtout lamers and op skillls.

cjtignub17_ESO

jparrillab16_ESO wrote: »

Stop? Omg!

This is one of the most unbalanceds games. Is completely normal see people wanting a better game wihtout lamers and op skillls.

Thats your opinion if you don't think its balanced theres a lot of other games that are balanced around single player 1 v 1 combat. This game however is balanced around group play. A lot of people have a hard time understanding that and being comfortable with that. That is the reason why there are no arenas in this game. The GMs don't want us 1v1ing bc thats not the point of pvp in this game. (also i've yet to find an mmorpg to ever achieve 1v1 balance that the community was happy about).

Darka

Every PvP forum ends up like this
Player X Ability 1 is OP
Player Y No No Use this to counter
Player Z srs? l2p i get my 2yo son to button mash and i winz 24/7s Its no issue for real pvperz

cjtignub17_ESO

Yeah thats a good rendition.

Now they back to complaining about dark talons even though bolt escape (another so called op skill) or vamp ulti or negate magic all of which these nubs cry about are the counters to dark talons....

Kypho

All game is the same. PPL call for fix broken abilities, and who use em think they are skilled and QQ about fix, and switching to offense to defend their unfair crap. LoL at all of you who try to defend easymode.

Ghenra

cjtignub17_ESO wrote: »

jparrillab16_ESO wrote: »

Stop? Omg!

This is one of the most unbalanceds games. Is completely normal see people wanting a better game wihtout lamers and op skillls.

Thats your opinion if you don't think its balanced theres a lot of other games that are balanced around single player 1 v 1 combat. This game however is balanced around group play. A lot of people have a hard time understanding that and being comfortable with that. That is the reason why there are no arenas in this game. The GMs don't want us 1v1ing bc thats not the point of pvp in this game. (also i've yet to find an mmorpg to ever achieve 1v1 balance that the community was happy about).

OMG! You're a noob, this game needs a balance patch, there're too many skills OP and other mechanics out of control. If ZOS don't balance this crap soon, next month nobody pays for that. I think TESO is the most unbalanced MMO ever.

cjtignub17_ESO

Theres over 100k people playing and like 300 complaining. Seriously a non issue. Also id bet money u wouldnt cancel ur subscription ur clearly hooked with ur constant replies